Britains best feather/superfeather weight/past and present.?

[THE KNUCKLE]

THE ONES OF THE PAST THAT COME 2 MIND ARE NAZ,MCGUIGAN,S.HARRISON,
THE PRESENT...ARTHUR,MITCHELL,BURNS,SIMPSON,APPLEBY,COOK,WHATS YOUR VIEW:bbb:bbb:bbb:bbb:bbb:bbb

[kosaros]

Past - Naz
Present - Mitchell

[TommyV]

Arthur is a light weight now.

I'd say Mitchell is the best super-feather at present, his power and chin have led him to a world title I think he'll take against Martinez, thought I really like Ricky Burns. He's improving, especially his power.

At feather, I just we will see when Appleby v Lindsay fight. The best 2 feathers going head to head will decide who wins. I'm thinking Appleby, but I'd like Lindsay to take it.

All time Naz is probably the best.

[Dunky McCafferty]

Its funny that both Naz & Scotty retired "before their time" as they say, or unfunny based on your viewpoint of each fighter.
There is no doubt though that a prime Naz v Scotty would have been a helluva matchup though, & one I would predict Scotty winning.

Why?

Based on both fighters in their prime versus Wayne McCullough. Against Wayne, Naz struggled badly & ran away from the mad irishman the whole night, whereas Scotty stood toe-to-toe and dominated Wayne in a fight that many thought should have been stopped, due to the relentless punishment Wayne took from Scotty.
Thats my thoughts anyway. Based on both of their fights against a prime Wayne McCullough on both occasions? Scotty would have bossed his smaller opponent. Too big, too strong, too MEAN.

& its primes we are talking about here remember. I know Naz has the superior record, I wouldnt deny it. In boxing history, he stands higher than Scotty.
Remember though, this thread isnt askin best RECORDS, its asking who you thought was the best. Big difference. Prime Scotty would have beaten Naz IMO.
Naz was a fine fighter, with a better record. The Scotty that beat Wayne though would have beaten the Naz that beat Wayne...

& as for the guy who said Arthur is a lightweight now like hes telling us something we dont know, get a grip & realise Arthur has been a lightweight for how long exactly? You tell me & let me enjoy a free laugh at you.

[GazOC]

Wayne was 33 when he fought Harrsion and nearly 5 years older than when he fought Naz. He was close to his prime for the Naz fight but nowhere near it for the Harrison fight.

Comparing 2 fighters results against a common opponent can be a very dodgy way of arriving at who would win if the two met in the ring.....Foreman beats Ali because of the Norton and Frazier results....."Styles makes fights" and all that...;O)

Harrision was a big, strong, aggressive featherweight and you can make a case for him beating Naz (I don't agree though) but I don't think taking their performances against McCullough is a fair comparision.

[Dunky McCafferty]

Wayne was 33 when he fought Harrsion and nearly 5 years older than when he fought Naz. He was close to his prime for the Naz fight but nowhere near it for the Harrison fight.

Comparing 2 fighters results against a common opponent can be a very dodgy way of arriving at who would win if the two met in the ring.....Foreman beats Ali because of the Norton and Frazier results....."Styles makes fights" and all that...;O)

Harrision was a big, strong, aggressive featherweight and you can make a case for him beating Naz (I don't agree though) but I don't think taking their performances against McCullough is a fair comparision.

So Wayne was classed as 'past it' when he fought Scotty? It wasnt regarded like that at the time, thats for sure.

Much like a certain Hatton vs Kostya Tszyu fight, am I right?

[rydersonthestorm]

So Wayne was classed as 'past it' when he fought Scotty? It wasnt regarded like that at the time, thats for sure.

Much like a certain Hatton vs Kostya Tszyu fight, am I right?
He obviously wasn't past it but to say he was as good as when he fought naz 6 years later is abit of a stretch.

[GazOC]

So Wayne was classed as 'past it' when he fought Scotty? It wasnt regarded like that at the time, thats for sure.

Much like a certain Hatton vs Kostya Tszyu fight, am I right?

Correct, I didn't say "past it" but both Zoo and McCullough were past their primes for those fights.

We can argue all day which one of those two was more past his prime but (back on topic) I think its undeniable that Naz fought a version of McCullough that was closer to his prime than Harrison did.

[Dunky McCafferty]

He obviously wasn't past it but to say he was as good as when he fought naz 6 years later is abit of a stretch.

As much of a stretch as that word in your avatar?

[Dunky McCafferty]

Correct, I didn't say "past it" but both Zoo and McCullough were past their primes for those fights.
I think its undeniable that Naz fought a version of McCullough that was closer to his prime than Harrison did.

Why, cos Wayne was younger when he fought Naz?

btw, I just noticed that they made Pacman the 'bigger' fighter againt Wicky in your avatar Gaz, thats why his haters hate him so much, cos of all the constnt bullshit!

We all know Hatton is the bigger man, but by goodness when the Hatton hype machine kicks in, they go to extremes.
& that aint a dig at you, it aint your fault you are a Hatton fan.

[GazOC]

Why, cos Wayne was younger when he fought Naz?

Generally I'd say a featherweight is closer to his prime at ~27 than he is at ~33.

Do you have a theory as to why McCullough might be an exception....;O)

[GazOC]

btw, I just noticed that they made Pacman the 'bigger' fighter againt Wicky in your avatar Gaz, thats why his haters hate him so much, cos of all the constnt bullshit!

We all know Hatton is the bigger man, but by goodness when the Hatton hype machine kicks in, they go to extremes.
& that aint a dig at you, it aint your fault you are a Hatton fan.

TBH Dunky I don't think thats a cunning Hatton plot.;) If you look at the tale of the tape theres not much in it either way, Pacs bigger on some things, Hatton on others.

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[GazOC]

Sorry for the threadjack guys!!:oops:

[Dunky McCafferty]

Generally I'd say a featherweight is closer to his prime at ~27 than he is at ~33.

Do you have a theory as to why McCullough might be an exception....;O)

No need to get petty naz or should I say Gaz;), dry your eyes mate(as you englanders would say)
& go search Boxrec, see how many featherweight champs you can find in their 20's than 30's.

I knew that this thread was going in this direction anyway, which comes back to my original point, that prime for prime shouldnt be judged on fuckin boxrec!!!
Which proves me right.

Lets just talk about prime Harrison v Prime Naz. As I said, Harrison would hunt him down & destroy him.

Prime Naz best win v prime Scottys best win? Lets throw that on the table. Lets get the fuckin cards out there. I dont care if Im right or wrong. I just want to hve a proper debate instead of all the pathetic Naz hugging that occurs on this forum nowadays.

Cos at the end of the day, Scotty had alchoholism to blame for his demise. Naz? He just got pummeled by Barrera, & decided to fuck off from boxing, & both ended up in jail guarding their asses.
A pair of cunts who let their fans down, but it makes for an interesting debate.

[THE KNUCKLE]

no need to get petty naz or should i say gaz;), dry your eyes mate(as you englanders would say)
& go search boxrec, see how many featherweight champs you can find in their 20's than 30's.

I knew that this thread was going in this direction anyway, which comes back to my original point, that prime for prime shouldnt be judged on fuckin boxrec!!!
Which proves me right.

Lets just talk about prime harrison v prime naz. As i said, harrison would hunt him down & destroy him.

Prime naz best win v prime scottys best win? Lets throw that on the table. Lets get the fuckin cards out there. I dont care if im right or wrong. I just want to hve a proper debate instead of all the pathetic naz hugging that occurs on this forum nowadays.

Cos at the end of the day, scotty had alchoholism to blame for his demise. Naz? He just got pummeled by barrera, & decided to fuck off from boxing, & both ended up in jail guarding their asses.
A pair of cunts who let their fans down, but it makes for an interesting debate.
top class mate,seems 2 b a touchy subject.lol

[Raashid]

Based on both fighters in their prime versus Wayne McCullough. Against Wayne, Naz struggled badly & ran away from the mad irishman the whole night, whereas Scotty stood toe-to-toe and dominated Wayne in a fight that many thought should have been stopped, due to the relentless punishment Wayne took from Scotty.
Thats my thoughts anyway. Based on both of their fights against a prime Wayne McCullough on both occasions? Scotty would have bossed his smaller opponent. Too big, too strong, too MEAN.


There is an argument (which I subscribe to) that Naz's prime was actually his early twenties. His speed, timing and reflexes were at their peak when he beat Steve Robinson, by the time he started fighting in the US he had already started to decline as he'd already become a multi-millionaire, hitting the nightclubbing life, blowing up between fights etc.
Interesting point about size you made though, Harrison did what most boxers do and biled himself down to try and get maximum size advantage, whereas Hamed actually moved up to featherweight when he would probably have still been able to boil down to bantamweight.

[Fat Joe]

I was a fan of both Hamed and Harrison. Hamed was a level above, there is no doubt about it.

[JN95]

hamed anyday

[GazOC]

No need to get petty naz or should I say Gaz;), dry your eyes mate(as you englanders would say)
& go search Boxrec, see how many featherweight champs you can find in their 20's than 30's.

I knew that this thread was going in this direction anyway, which comes back to my original point, that prime for prime shouldnt be judged on fuckin boxrec!!!
Which proves me right.

Sorry Dunky, I just can't follow that piece of logic at all. I'm not judging McCulloughs prime on Boxrec (whatever that means) but its pretty obvious that McCullough wasn't the fighter at 33 that he was at 27.

Lets just talk about prime Harrison v Prime Naz. As I said, Harrison would hunt him down & destroy him.As I said, although I don't agree, a good case can be made for Harrision beating Hamed H2H I but I think using McCullough as the yardstick is a valid way to make your arguement. Also the style issue makes Fighter A,B,C comparisions dodgy at best, McCullough and Harrision both traded on strenght to win fights and Harrison was much stronger, Hamed didn't need to use his physical strength anywhere as much.



Prime Naz best win v prime Scottys best win? Lets throw that on the table. Lets get the fuckin cards out there. I dont care if Im right or wrong. I just want to hve a proper debate instead of all the pathetic Naz hugging that occurs on this forum nowadays.Who would you say is Harrsions best win? Don't play the "hugging" card, you're just a guilty, if not moreso, with Harrision.;)



Cos at the end of the day, Scotty had alchoholism to blame for his demise. Naz? He just got pummeled by Barrera, & decided to fuck off from boxing, & both ended up in jail guarding their asses.
A pair of cunts who let their fans down, but it makes for an interesting debate.True but not really relevant in our H2H discussion.:p

I hope I got all the quotes tagged right!!!:nut

[TommyV]

TBH Dunky I don't think thats a cunning Hatton plot.;) If you look at the tale of the tape theres not much in it either way, Pacs bigger on some things, Hatton on others.

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I've changed my prediction based on that. There's no way Hatton wins with those skinny arse ankles or wrists. :-(

This type of information is vital.

[GazOC]

I've changed my prediction based on that. There's no way Hatton wins with those skinny arse ankles or wrists. :-(

This type of information is vital.

:lol: It was posted up a while back to "prove" Hatton wouldn't be able to outmuscle Pac.

[ishy]

:lol: It was posted up a while back to "prove" Hatton wouldn't be able to outmuscle Pac.

:rofl Pactards are awesome...

[billy nelson]

scott would have stopped naz when both were in there prime.naz was supposed to have been offered the fight but declined.wise move

[timber]

Prime Naz.....what a fighter!

[SouthpawSlayer]

naz

[brown bomber]

Naz' prime was some way before Harrison emerged for me Billy.. Naz peaked 1995. I think that was the year Harrison was stopped on a cut by Miguel Matthews. Either way Naz' depreciation had well and truly begun as he exchanged torrid rounds with Medina at the end of 1996. Some may say his performances decreased in impressiveness as his level of opposition increased. I don't buy that. His performancres increasingly lacked creativity and sparkle and that was a result of poor discipline IMO.

Harrison versus Naz would have been interesting, no doubt, but I feel a prime Naz (as in the one who showed up against Angeles, Perez and Ramirez... and maybe Robinson) would have been too much for Barrera and Morales let alone Scott who never really established himself as the top boy when he was champion.

How is the comeback looking? Have you got any hand in that Billy? I've heard that Micheal Brodie has been looking very good in training recently.

[TFFP]

Jim Driscoll.

Current best I would lean towards Burns and Mitchell, each has their strengths.

[brown bomber]

Current best I would lean towards Burns and Mitchell, each has their strengths.Pick one.... :hey

I dare you..... :good

[billy nelson]

fair comment jeff,i just think scott was so mentally strong and would have hunted him down,i will pick one burns ha ha,send my regards to your gym

[brown bomber]

I agree I think he'd give Mitchell nightmares

[TFFP]

Pick one.... :hey

I dare you..... :good
I think Burns would win if the fight was made for June. Simply because he is at his peak, has become a well-rounded and mature operator.

Mitchell is a lot more talented, but also has many more flaws and is an immature fighter to me.

Mitchell with the correct guidance should become a better fighter.

[stevie7]

naz and appleby

[Dunky McCafferty]

Sorry Dunky, I just can't follow that piece of logic at all. I'm not judging McCulloughs prime on Boxrec (whatever that means) but its pretty obvious that McCullough wasn't the fighter at 33 that he was at 27.
As I said, although I don't agree, a good case can be made for Harrision beating Hamed H2H I but I think using McCullough as the yardstick is a valid way to make your arguement. Also the style issue makes Fighter A,B,C comparisions dodgy at best, McCullough and Harrision both traded on strenght to win fights and Harrison was much stronger, Hamed didn't need to use his physical strength anywhere as much.

Who would you say is Harrsions best win? Don't play the "hugging" card, you're just a guilty, if not moreso, with Harrision.;)

True but not really relevant in our H2H discussion.:p

I hope I got all the quotes tagged right!!!:nut

Man, I missed this post at the time.

As for the quotes thing, I forgot how to do that shit. Not sure if I even knew how to do it in the first place:lol:
Right Gaz... Sorry for the long break.

Harrisons best win IMO? Probably his win over McCullough. That was a prime beast of a man, laying out serious stick to a guy many thought would have beaten him.

I answered your question, take it from there if you care to. If you dont, I understand, cos I was guilty of missing the original post of yours... my apologies for the answer coming in the late post.

[Dubhthaigh]

CARL Johansson

[Flea Man]

No need to get petty naz or should I say Gaz;), dry your eyes mate(as you englanders would say)
& go search Boxrec, see how many featherweight champs you can find in their 20's than 30's.

I knew that this thread was going in this direction anyway, which comes back to my original point, that prime for prime shouldnt be judged on fuckin boxrec!!!
Which proves me right.

Lets just talk about prime Harrison v Prime Naz. As I said, Harrison would hunt him down & destroy him.

Prime Naz best win v prime Scottys best win? Lets throw that on the table. Lets get the fuckin cards out there. I dont care if Im right or wrong. I just want to hve a proper debate instead of all the pathetic Naz hugging that occurs on this forum nowadays.

Cos at the end of the day, Scotty had alchoholism to blame for his demise. Naz? He just got pummeled by Barrera, & decided to fuck off from boxing, & both ended up in jail guarding their asses.
A pair of cunts who let their fans down, but it makes for an interesting debate.

If Prime Harrison tried to hunt down Prime Naz he'd be stepping right into Hamed's trap, and would be sparked in less than five rounds, and I rate Harrison.

Past-Naz

Present-Mitchell

[Dunky McCafferty]

If Prime Harrison tried to hunt down Prime Naz he'd be stepping right into Hamed's trap, and would be sparked in less than five rounds, and I rate Harrison.

Past-Naz

Present-Mitchell

What trap would that be? the corkscrew uppercut?:lol: Naz was a good wee fighter, but a media hypejob blown out of all proportion.

Naz picked up more belts than Scotty, but who did he beat to suggest he would KO prime Scott Harrison in inside 6?

IMO, cos Naz was like a Sheffield Ali in the way he could talk down his opponents & charm the media & fans, people think hes better than he was because the lad had bags of charisma.
prime 4 prime, Harrison would have been too big, too strong, too relentless, & naz would have lost. How could a man of hize size keep a hairy beast like Harrison off him? No wonder Naz knocked back the chance to fight a young brooding menacing Scotty.

[rydersonthestorm]

No wonder Naz knocked back the chance to fight a young brooding menacing Scotty.
:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

[Flea Man]

What trap would that be? the corkscrew uppercut?:lol: Naz was a good wee fighter, but a media hypejob blown out of all proportion.

Naz picked up more belts than Scotty, but who did he beat to suggest he would KO prime Scott Harrison in inside 6?

IMO, cos Naz was like a Sheffield Ali in the way he could talk down his opponents & charm the media & fans, people think hes better than he was because the lad had bags of charisma.
prime 4 prime, Harrison would have been too big, too strong, too relentless, & naz would have lost. How could a man of hize size keep a hairy beast like Harrison off him? No wonder Naz knocked back the chance to fight a young brooding menacing Scotty.

Naz was known (and there is footage) of sparring with Heavyweights (and Ingle famously stopped head sparring at Wincobank after Naz sparked Johnny Nelson) so I think Naz would have no trouble.

That corkscrew uppercut you talk about is one of the best examples of it in boxing, so I wouldn't mouth off about it. Naz could bang with either fist from any angle, and whilst I rate Harrison's strength and durability, this would mean nothing against one of the hardest hitters P4P of all time (in many people's opinion).

Who did Naz beat to suggest he would beat Harrison? Well, he made better work of a mutual opponent (who no doubt was in better nick when he fought Naz) Manuel Medine.

Kevin Kelley was durable and experienced, and fighting in his hometown.

Vuyani Bungu was a former SBW champion.

Tom 'Boom Boom' Johnson was solid but unspectacular, but the long-reigning IBF champ when Naz demolished him.

Paul Ingle was a top-level domestic fighter.

Now, personally I think Harrison would've given Naz a much tougher fight than any of these, whilst it lasts. Which, given the fire of both men and the massive firepower of one of the would not be lon.

If it's any consolation, Harrison would outpoint the Naz that sleepwalked past Calvo.

[Dunky McCafferty]

Naz was known (and there is footage) of sparring with Heavyweights (and Ingle famously stopped head sparring at Wincobank after Naz sparked Johnny Nelson) so I think Naz would have no trouble.

That corkscrew uppercut you talk about is one of the best examples of it in boxing, so I wouldn't mouth off about it. Naz could bang with either fist from any angle, and whilst I rate Harrison's strength and durability, this would mean nothing against one of the hardest hitters P4P of all time (in many people's opinion).

Who did Naz beat to suggest he would beat Harrison? Well, he made better work of a mutual opponent (who no doubt was in better nick when he fought Naz) Manuel Medine.

Kevin Kelley was durable and experienced, and fighting in his hometown.

Vuyani Bungu was a former SBW champion.

Tom 'Boom Boom' Johnson was solid but unspectacular, but the long-reigning IBF champ when Naz demolished him.

Paul Ingle was a top-level domestic fighter.

Now, personally I think Harrison would've given Naz a much tougher fight than any of these, whilst it lasts. Which, given the fire of both men and the massive firepower of one of the would not be lon.

If it's any consolation, Harrison would outpoint the Naz that sleepwalked past Calvo.
no probs Fleaman.
You make a good case for naz, & I respect that.

Of course, we will never know who would have won, but even I admit that prime 4 prime the bookies would back Naz. Cos at the end of the day, naz scored the more spectacular wins on his record, like you say.

I got no problem with that. Harrison was my all time favourite fighter, & I feel a thread coming on about him, & what he meant to Scotland & I. This Harrison thing runs deep with me.
Thanks for keeping the argument civil & not replying to my post with lots of stupid smilies, like some of the more ignorant posters here. It wont be forgotten.
As you can guess, Im a wee bit over emotional again about Scotty, as any hopes of a comeback have been crushed along with hith his prison sentence.
I got so much to say on the subject... & I am a very sad & deflated man at this moment in time.

[rydersonthestorm]

no probs Fleaman.
You make a good case for naz, & I respect that.

Of course, we will never know who would have won, but even I admit that prime 4 prime the bookies would back Naz. Cos at the end of the day, naz scored the more spectacular wins on his record, like you say.

I got no problem with that. Harrison was my all time favourite fighter, & I feel a thread coming on about him, & what he meant to Scotland & I. This Harrison thing runs deep with me.
Thanks for keeping the argument civil & not replying to my post with lots of stupid smilies, like some of the more ignorant posters here. It wont be forgotten.
As you can guess, Im a wee bit over emotional again about Scotty, as any hopes of a comeback have been crushed along with hith his prison sentence.
I got so much to say on the subject... & I am a very sad & deflated man at this moment in time.
I am quite sad harrison has been arested again he is a warrior and always comes to fight.

[billy nelson]

dunky you are wrong about belts won by scott v naz,scott won inter continental,british,commonwealth and wbo world titles.naz won inter continental and wbo world title?

[billy nelson]

scott was faultless against chacon the man who ko'd kovacs who was the man naz refused alledgedly to fight?