UFC 97 Thread

[Tko4]

It's time! I'm really looking forward to this card. I'm hoping Hardonk vs. Kongo stays standing...

[Grievesy]

Should be some KOs on the cards tonight. Starting with Cane right hear me thinks.

[Polymath]

Bruce Buffer is talking French

:lol:

[Polymath]

Why cant the UFC replace this clown? has he got pictures of some CEO in bed with a little boy or something?

[Tko4]

Cane looks much bigger and stronger than Cantwell.

[cdnboxing]

It's time! I'm really looking forward to this card. I'm hoping Hardonk vs. Kongo stays standing...

Where else is it going to go? :D

These two fighters wouldnt know the ground if it hit them in the face.

[Club Fighter]

ARGHHHHHHHHH!!! My normally reliable hookup is experiencing technical difficulties and I can't see the fights. The horror, the horror!

[Nuke]

I soooo rather listen to Buffer once before ever match then listen to Goldberg ALL match long. this guy has ABSOLUTELY NO idea what he is talking about!

[Club Fighter]

I'm back, bitches!!!

[Club Fighter]

No fanfare for this one, I see.

[Tko4]

I'm guessing Cane takes it 29-28.

[cdnboxing]

I soooo rather listen to Buffer once before ever match then listen to Goldberg ALL match long. this guy has ABSOLUTELY NO idea what he is talking about!

Same with Rogan. I watch events on mute now.

[Tko4]

Where else is it going to go? :D

These two fighters wouldnt know the ground if it hit them in the face.

Sometimes Kongo pretends he knows how to ground and pound :patsch

[Tko4]

I'm back, bitches!!!

Hoorah? I'll drink a beer in your honor.

[Tko4]

30-27? What crappy judging. The second round clearly went to Cantwell.

[Nuke]

Rogan isn't as bad, I can at least deal with him. Goldberg I wish would catch a headkick by accident. should be 29-28 Louis

[cdnboxing]

I still cant get over the fact that Thales Leites is getting a title shot.

I also cant get over the fact that the UFC is still justifying having Liddell headline PPV's.

[cdnboxing]

Hardonk probably has the best low kicks in the UFC maybe all of MMA. They are vicious.

I have Kongo winning though even though he isnt really that good.

[demzor]

I still cant get over the fact that Thales Leites is getting a title shot.

I also cant get over the fact that the UFC is still justifying having Liddell headline PPV's.

People still like Chuck.
People are excited for Chuck vs Shogun.

If you arent.. you have problems.
A loss or two doesnt make you worthless.

[sugarngold]

good striker match up this one. here's hoping for some fireworks.

[cdnboxing]

People still like Chuck.
People are excited for Chuck vs Shogun.

If you arent.. you have problems.
A loss or two doesnt make you worthless.

Whos excited for Chuck and Shogun?

I literally dont know anybody excited for this fight. The UFC simply made this fight to get Chuck one more chance to get into title contention. They know Rua has looked awful and is on his last legs in the UFC. This fight doesnt make much sense. And should impact the LHW division in no way whatsoever. Chuck is absolutely done.

A loss or two? Chuck has lost 3 of his last 4 fights, 2 of them have been brutal and embarassing KO's. And the only win is against a human punching bag in Wand.

People still like Chuck thats fine but you still cannot justify a guy of Chucks calibre to be headlining a PPV event for like $50. That is absolutely ridiculous. I mean you can put him on a main card but this fight is the 2nd last fight of the night before the main event. That is just comical. Its almost as comical as Mark Coleman and Rua.

[Tko4]

Leave it to Cheick "The Douche" Kongo to turn a fight between kickboxers into some old-fashioned lay and pray.

[Club Fighter]

What's this? Is Kongo the dominant ground fighter?

[Tko4]

Whos excited for Chuck and Shogun?



I was thrilled by the prospect a few years ago. That was back when Chuck was still dominant, and Shogun had two good knees (and a stockpile of roids).

[cdnboxing]

I was thrilled by the prospect a few years ago. That was back when Chuck was still dominant, and Shogun had two good knees (and a stockpile of roids).

Yeah exactly,

I'd have loved to see this fight....

In 2005.

[Club Fighter]

Is he really fucked up that bad to turtle?

[Tko4]

Fuckin' gay Frenchman. I hate that guy.

[chimba]

Awful fight. Bring on Silva now! Jesus, two good strikers fighting in the ground. Oh my

[Tko4]

Yeah exactly,

I'd have loved to see this fight....

In 2005.

Yeah, now it's just sad. It's like a Michael Jordan vs. Magic Johnson basketball game for charity.

[Tko4]

And who was it that told me that Kongo/Hardonk would never go to the ground? I knew that douche was going to try to wrestle and rob me of a kickboxing stand-up war. Fuck you, Kongo. You're my least favorite ever.

[cdnboxing]

Yeah, now it's just sad. It's like a Michael Jordan vs. Magic Johnson basketball game for charity.

It kind of reminds me a little bit of the Liddell/Wand fight.

[Tko4]

It kind of reminds me a little bit of the Liddell/Wand fight.

Yeah, same idea. Two guys past their prime finally getting together. It makes it far less interesting.

[Polymath]

30-27? What crappy judging. The second round clearly went to Cantwell.

He clearly did shit.

He may have won about 2 minutes of the second round. 30-27 was fair.

[Tko4]

Anyone think Stann has the tools to win this fight? I'm not seeing how he can win, unless he lands a lucky, massive shot.

[Tko4]

He clearly did shit.

He may have won about 2 minutes of the second round. 30-27 was fair.

He landed the much better punches in the second, had Octagon control, and arguably hurt Cane on two occasions. He clearly lost the first and third round, and thus the fight. But he won the second clear as day.

[Rico Spadafora]

Why do so many UFC fighters have Glass Jaws?

Don't tell me it is the gloves because that is laughable.

[cdnboxing]

wow, stann has no ground skills. Hell, he doesnt really have any striking skills either.

[sugarngold]

Leave it to Cheick "The Douche" Kongo to turn a fight between kickboxers into some old-fashioned lay and pray.

Yeah - how underwhelming was that fight?

[OuterDrake]

:p :p :p :p :p

So far a good event

[sugarngold]

Krystoph ate Stan's lunch.

[OuterDrake]

Leave it to Cheick "The Douche" Kongo to turn a fight between kickboxers into some old-fashioned lay and pray.

Its called defense.

Go watch Leben

[sugarngold]

Why do so many UFC fighters have Glass Jaws?

Don't tell me it is the gloves because that is laughable.

4oz gloves coupled with the fact that fighters use eight point striking including fists, feet, knees and elbows means lots of KO's on connects.

[Tko4]

Krystoph ate Stan's lunch.

Yeah, he was just way too well-rounded for Stann. Stann's ground game is about 1 percent better than Antoni Hardonk's.

[cdnboxing]

:p :p :p :p :p

So far a good event

Really?

Its been okay.

[Polymath]

He landed the much better punches in the second, had Octagon control, and arguably hurt Cane on two occasions. He clearly lost the first and third round, and thus the fight. But he won the second clear as day.

Arguably is the word. Clear as day, nope. Watch it without Rogan and Goldie saying the same thing over and over and you'll be surprised; it was a close round, he lost it closely according to two judges and myself. I wouldn't lie to you.

[Tko4]

Really?

Its been okay.

That's Kongo's boyfriend. Cut him some slack.

[sugarngold]

I think Rogan was being overly generous to call Hardonk's guard "good." That was some real crap. He was clearly just hanging on and hoping for a referee standup. That's not a good guard.

[Polymath]

Really?

Its been okay.

I enjoyed the first fight, second one was shit (it had Kongo in it). Hoping for a war from CHuck and Shogun :yep

[cdnboxing]

4oz gloves coupled with the fact that fighters use eight point striking including fists, feet, knees and elbows means lots of KO's on connects.

And than you consider that most of these guys are ground fighters with average striking skills who cant anticipate and react to punches it should be no surprise that there are more KO's.

Glove size has very little to do with the amount of KO's.

[sugarngold]

woo hoo! Liddlell vs SHogun next! I'm excited for this fight.

[Polymath]

How uncomfortable did Dan Henderson look wearing that wigger outfit? :lol: The guys forty, he went to the Olympics. Don't make him dress up like youngtyo :-(

[Tko4]

I think Rogan was being overly generous to call Hardonk's guard "good." That was some real crap. He was clearly just hanging on and hoping for a referee standup. That's not a good guard.

Yeah, he was being VERY generous. Kongo has a terrible ground game, and yet it was leaps and bounds better than Hardonk's.

[sugarngold]

And than you consider that most of these guys are ground fighters with average striking skills who cant anticipate and react to punches it should be no surprise that there are more KO's.

Glove size has very little to do with the amount of KO's.

Glove size has nothing to do with it. Gotcha. And I have a bridge right over this way that is for sale. Nice view of the harbor.

[Tko4]

So if this fight ends fast, do we get 40 minutes worth of undercard replays? I hope so.

[Tko4]

Glove size has nothing to do with it. Gotcha. And I have a bridge right over this way that is for sale. Nice view of the harbor.

Yeah. If I'm going to take a punch from someone, I'd rather they have on 8 or 12 oz. gloves...

[Grievesy]

Come on Shogun!! Pull out the KO!! I can't lose another fucking avatar bet with quebec.:twisted:

[sugarngold]

Are all Chute Boxe fighters required to enter to crappy techno music? lol

[sugarngold]

GO Liddell.

[Tko4]

Quite the crowd reaction for Liddell. He may be over-the-hill, but he's still popular as ever. I'll give him that.

[Tko4]

I'm rooting for Shogun (I'd like to think it wasn't all steroids in Pride), but I think Liddell is probably going to punt his head into the first row.

[radab]

Chuck came out to Angel of Death. Never supported him before, but that made me think about it!

[radab]

Chuck will KO him quick

[Grievesy]

FUCK YEAH!!! Owned!!!!!

[Club Fighter]

chuck got fucked

[Nuke]

WOW Chuck just got ShoGunned!!

[Tko4]

Shit. That fight was actually really good!

[radab]

I totally got it wrong.

Shogun looked Awesome

Chuck looked - finished

[sugarngold]

Good fight. Nice change up by Shogun to land the left.

[OuterDrake]

chuck was just awful

[Tko4]

For a second there, I really thought I was seeing old Chuck and old Shogun. Then I realized I wasn't...

[demzor]

ok
I'll admit it..

Chuck is done
that was not the same guy in there.

[sugarngold]

Shogun looked good. Showed MMA versatility by mixing up his striking and grappling.

We'll see Liddell again.

[Grievesy]

Forrest rematch anyone?

[Tko4]

I've never gotten on the Chuck bandwagon, but I feel bad for him tonight.

[radab]

Shogun was like his top Pride self

Joe Rogan just changed Chucks loss from fail to Epic

[Nuke]

I wanted Shogun to win but I always liked Chuck, he was a bad muthafuka for a longtime. Thanks Chuck for the great fights!

[Tko4]

Shogun looked good. He hobbled Liddell with those legs kicks, which took all the steam off Chuck's striking. I'm still not sure Shogun is ready for a multi-dimensional, younger fighter. But if his knees are better, and he's getting used to not relying on the roids, then I'd be interested in seeing him in with Griffin again.

[Polymath]

Chuck will KO him quick

Good call.

Right there with your claim Travis Lutter has better takedowns than Brock Lesnar :yep

[demzor]

that was depressing

[Club Fighter]

coming out to douchebag eminem music . . . now i think i know who i want to lose.

[Grievesy]

Shogun looked good. He hobbled Liddell with those legs kicks, which took all the steam off Chuck's striking. I'm still not sure Shogun is ready for a multi-dimensional, younger fighter. But if his knees are better, and he's getting used to not relying on the roids, then I'd be interested in seeing him in with Griffin again.

I agree, I'm a little reluctant to say that Shogun is back, seeing as Chuck is shot and has been for a while, people just refused to see it. But Shogun looked very good. He looked comfortable all the time and I can't wait for his next fight.

[Tko4]

That Shogun/Liddell fight left me feeling empty. I was dying to see it for years and years and years. We never got to see it. And then they get thrown together on the back side's of their careers and suddenly it's over.

[Polymath]

CHucks chin is shot. That left hook wasn't a devastating powerpunch and Chuck was OUT. Hang em up, CHuck.

[demzor]

That Shogun/Liddell fight left me feeling empty. I was dying to see it for years and years and years. We never got to see it. And then they get thrown together on the back side's of their careers and suddenly it's over.

Yeah.. I agree. Depressing.

I dont think Chuck will ever fight again.
After that one I hope he sees that its over.

[Rico Spadafora]

Liddell has a Glass Jaw.

He needs to retire for his safety.

[Tko4]

I agree, I'm a little reluctant to say that Shogun is back, seeing as Chuck is shot and has been for a while, people just refused to see it. But Shogun looked very good. He looked comfortable all the time and I can't wait for his next fight.

And he wasn't completely gassed a minute into the fight...which was nice to see. His punching is still sloppy (though effective against a guy with no defense), but he was able to start using his legs well. The thing that made Shogun great was his use of kicks and knees, coupled with solid jits. He couldn't utilize any of that against Griffin, though.

[CUFreeze]

Rico, show some respect man. the guy was really good for a long time and at one time had an iron chin. age will do a lot to you and the man is 40 years old.

[Grievesy]

And he wasn't completely gassed a minute into the fight...which was nice to see. His punching is still sloppy (though effective against a guy with no defense), but he was able to start using his legs well. The thing that made Shogun great was his use of kicks and knees, coupled with solid jits. He couldn't utilize any of that against Griffin, though.

His punching has always been sloppy. Almost all Chute Boxe fighters are like that except Anderson Silva. I wish he would use his knees more. They're his best weapon. He devastated Rampage with those knees, as well as many other fighters. I think he needs to start using the Thai clinch again.

I wish that soccer kicks and stomps were allowed. His were brutal.

[sugarngold]

This is a great fight so far. Both guys mixing it up from head to toe.

[radab]

Good call.

Right there with your claim Travis Lutter has better takedowns than Brock Lesnar :yep



Yep i got it wrong :blood

But what the hell you talkin about Travis Lutter? I aint even heard of the guy

[Tko4]

His punching has always been sloppy. Almost all Chute Boxe fighters are like that except Anderson Silva. I wish he would use his knees more. They're his best weapon. He devastated Rampage with those knees, as well as many other fighters. I think he needs to start using the Thai clinch again.

I wish that soccer kicks and stomps were allowed. His were brutal.

Yeah, that Thai clinch was just brutal. It seemed like he was too small and weak to use it on Griffin, which is odd. He was able to destroy a big, tough guy like Rampage, yet he looked physically frail up against Griffin. I'm not sure what it was that fight, but he looked like a shell. I still think it had to do with him coming off the roids and not being able to deal with it.

[Grievesy]

Yeah, that Thai clinch was just brutal. It seemed like he was too small and weak to use it on Griffin, which is odd. He was able to destroy a big, tough guy like Rampage, yet he looked physically frail up against Griffin. I'm not sure what it was that fight, but he looked like a shell. I still think it had to do with him coming off the roids and not being able to deal with it.

Was Shogun actually caught on roids? Or is it one of these ones where he has looked shit out of Pride and people have decided themselves?

[sugarngold]

Stout and Wiman putting on the fight of the night so far.

[Tko4]

Was Shogun actually caught on roids? Or is it one of these ones where he has looked shit out of Pride and people have decided themselves?

More speculation than anything. But it does explain his gassing problem because roids help with cardio.

[Grievesy]

More speculation than anything. But it does explain his gassing problem because roids help with cardio.

Yeah I can definitely see him being one of the guys who took advantage of Japan's lax drug testing. Also considering how aggressive those Chute Boxe lads were. They hated everyone and got in more than one scuffle outside the ring.:lol:

[Polymath]

Yep i got it wrong :blood

But what the hell you talkin about Travis Lutter? I aint even heard of the guy

It was somebody like you, in the 'Anderson SIlva could whup all the heaveyweights' thread :lol:


Yes, Im sure it was you!

[sugarngold]

Did anyone just watch this fight?

CUNG!

[sugarngold]

Cung Le will be in the UFC.

[Grievesy]

Cung Le will be in the UFC.

What? Where? What happened?

[sugarngold]

Stout and Wiman gave it their all. That was a great little MMA fight. Stout had the sharper kickboxing skills - yet Wiman was slinging the harder punches - going for the knock out every time. Winamn mixed in his takedowns and submission attempts to offset Stout's striking superiority. Stout hurt Wiman to the body and looked to almost stop him. Wiman came back in the third round to finally steamroll Stout a bit - but Stout had put enough rounds in the bank early to get the nod. That was good.

[sugarngold]

What? Where? What happened?

They just interviewed Cung - about the new movie Fighting - on the UFC. Nothing announced - but Cung wouldn't be on a UFC show at all if they weren't working on something to get him there.

[Grievesy]

They just interviewed Cung about the new movie Fighting - at the UFC. Nothing announced - but Cung wouldn't be on a UFC show at all if they weren't working on something to get him there.

That's good. Another guy for Silva to KO.:yep

And it would look pretty good on the ol' resume.

[radab]

It was somebody like you, in the 'Anderson SIlva could whup all the heaveyweights' thread :lol:


Yes, Im sure it was you!



:good sure That was me

but AS aint no Travis Lutter :deal

[sugarngold]

Uh oh. Letes is gonna get KTFO just for walking to the ring in sunglasses.

[Grievesy]

What a mug! Why wear sunglasses?!?

[sugarngold]

That's good. Another guy for Silva to KO.:yep

And it would look pretty good on the ol' resume.

Bring it on! That's the fight Cung wants! Cung Le vs Anderson Silva is a mega-mega fight.

[Tko4]

They just interviewed Cung - about the new movie Fighting - on the UFC. Nothing announced - but Cung wouldn't be on a UFC show at all if they weren't working on something to get him there.

And Goldie already started the hype job by calling him, "One of the greatest of all time." If he was talking san shu, I would agree, but he was talking MMA. Typically you need to have more than a handful of fights to be an all-time great...

[sugarngold]

And Goldie already started the hype job by calling him, "One of the greatest of all time." If he was talking san shu, I would agree, but he was talking MMA. Typically you need to have more than a handful of fights to be an all-time great...

That's a bit premature - but oddly prescient perhaps. Cung is without a doubt the greatest San Shou fighter of all time.

[Grievesy]

Bring it on! That's the fight Cung wants! Cung Le vs Anderson Silva is a mega-mega fight.

Would be a great stand-up war. I truly hope it comes off.

I would expect Le to have some fights against top 10 fighters first though.

[Tuffnutz]

Fuck this roids talk.

The reason he looked like shit against Griffin is because he got married and spent more time eating wedding cake and fucking his wife.

He listened to all the fans who did'nt give Griffin a hope in hell of winning the fight.

The reason he looked shit against Coleman is because he was coming off surgery and a huge lay off, and he had no repsect for Coleman. Again, no one gave Coleman a hope in hell of winning the rematch.

If you look at Shoguns body during training for his fight with Chuck, and you look at it in the ring tonight he was in real good shape and very well prepared. He was in PRIDE shape!

We did'nt see any sloppy work from Shogun tonight either.

We did'nt see him go crazy throwing strikes from all over the place with no defence.

He picked his shots well and admired his work before he picked the next shot.

He fought a perfect fight, a perfect gameplan, and this was without doubt one of the best, most techincal Shogun performances we've ever seen.

Yes, you can say that Chuck's best days are over but no one picked Chuck apart and finished him this quickly before.

Chuck looked really fired up for this fight and Shogun picked him apart with skill.

PS

Anderson by easy KO! :yep

[sugarngold]

Anderson Silva time. This could be a good scrap!

[sugarngold]

Fuck this roids talk.

The reason he looked like shit against Griffin is because he got married and spent more time eating wedding cake and fucking his wife.

He listened to all the fans who did'nt give Griffin a hope in hell of winning the fight.

The reason he looked shit against Coleman is because he was coming off surgery and a huge lay off, and he had no repsect for Coleman. Again, no one gave Coleman a hope in hell of winning the rematch.

If you look at Shoguns body during training for his fight with Chuck, and you look at it in the ring tonight he was in real good shape and very well prepared. He was in PRIDE shape!

We did'nt see any sloppy work from Shogun tonight either.

We did'nt see him go crazy throwing strikes from all over the place with no defence.

He picked his shots well and admired his work before he picked the next shot.

He fought a perfect fight, a perfect gameplan, and this was without doubt one of the best, most techincal Shogun performances we've ever seen.

Yes, you can say that Chuck's best days are over but no one picked Chuck apart and finished him this quickly before.

Chuck looked really fired up for this fight and Shogun picked him apart with skill.

PS

Anderson by easy KO! :yep

That;s the way I saw it too. Shogun looked sharp tonight.

[Grievesy]

If that hook to the body was to the other side, I reckon Leites would have been on trouble.

[Tko4]

What the hell is Silva doing? Did someone tell him he was on Dancing with the Stars tonight?

[Grievesy]

What the hell is Silva doing? Did someone tell him he was on Dancing with the Stars tonight?

Well he is a counter-striker. If the other guy doesn't bring it too him shit like that happens.

[Nuke]

ground fighting is gonna be illegal soon

[Tko4]

So Silva stops dancing with his hands down and wants to fight...and Leites is flopping all over the place. What a stylistic nightmare this fight is.

[Tko4]

This is the most bizarre fight I've ever seen. It's like a circus clown battle.

[sugarngold]

This is about what I was expecting. I thought there might be more action though.

[Tko4]

I could have done without all the dancing and clowning around.

[chimba]

This is bullshit

[Nuke]

Silva is way to cautious. he doesn't want to take a chance exchanging with a guy he can see his punchs coming from a mile away. I can't see how Silva does it. Why would you NOT want to exchange with this guy?

[OuterDrake]

I loved it.

Anderson has figured out what i have always expected.

That old Pugilistic boxing that died out in boxing today. works better in mma.

This is how Sam Mcvea was able to beat bjj blk belt Tano Matsuda back in 1908.

[Tuffnutz]

Anderson Silva is bored and had no fear for his last two opponents.

Anderson carried that dude and could have finsihed him much, much earlier.

Leities had ZERO belief in himself too.

They need to put him in with Akiyama, GSP then put him in the mix at 205.

[sugarngold]

I don't see what you guys are complaining about. What's wrong with counterpunching a guy to death? What do you want him to do? Charge in like Arturo Gatti? I thought it was a display of well rounded skills between highly skilled MMA fighters. Every fight can't be fight of the year or fight of the night material.

Stout vs Wiman was the fight of the night. Great battle that one.

[sugarngold]

What about those GSP chants? Will this lead to a Silva vs GSP fight down the road?

[ryanty22]

quick rundown of the fights tonight??? ive been spending time with the family having a gettogether so going to watch the fight was out tonight

[Tko4]

Anderson Silva is bored and had no fear for his last two opponents.

Anderson carried that dude and could have finsihed him much, much earlier.

Leities had ZERO belief in himself too.

They need to put him in with Akiyama, GSP then put him in the mix at 205.

I agree. They need to put Silva in with someone he will take seriously. Otherwise, I fear he's going to continue to clown around with seriously out-classed opponents. It's almost like he didn't want to hurt Leities so he was just wasting time to win the decision. There were plenty of times to lock up a clinch and put Leites away. Instead of going for it, Silva would back off and do some funky dance. I really don't get the guy. He's an oddball, to be sure.

[Nuke]

It was a smart fight for Silva but he could have taken Lietes out before the end of the fight, he just didn't want to take a chance, he would rather dance and be flashy and safe then take a chance, bottom line.

[sugarngold]

That's what Roy Jones would call chicken fighting. Like his roosters. Silva is an admitted Roy Jones fan.

[radab]

He wasnt "dancing and clowning". He was trying to find gaps. Lettuce did a great job staying back, going down a lot, and surviving Andersons blows. He also did a great job of surviving when he got poked in the eye and got no help from Lavigne.
But at any second in the fight, the Spider could have struck. It was a hugely intense fight

[sugarngold]

Conversely, my granddad would call it chicken scratching and say it was bullshit too. lol

[Nuke]

What don't you get TKO4? Silva isn't a risk taker he'd rather win on points or tactically then take a risk in getting caught.

[Tuffnutz]

I don't see what you guys are complaining about. What's wrong with counterpunching a guy to death? What do you want him to do? Charge in like Arturo Gatti? I thought it was a display of well rounded skills between highly skilled MMA fighters. Every fight can't be fight of the year or fight of the night material.

Stout vs Wiman was the fight of the night. Great battle that one.

Anderson toyed with him instead of finishing him.

He could have finished him, no doubt about it, but he did'nt.

He spent KO time pissing about like a clown.

This fight should not have gone the distance because his opponent had no belief in himself and no hope in hell of winning.

Anderson did nothing in the first two rounds when he could have blitzed him out of there in those first two rounds.

[sugarngold]

quick rundown of the fights tonight??? ive been spending time with the family having a gettogether so going to watch the fight was out tonight

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Stout vs Wiman was fight of the night. Shogun looked good in dismantling Chuck Liddell. Silva won a tactical 5 round decision over Leites. That's about it.

[chimba]

What happened here is what we call in the NFL as prevent defense, the problem is unlike the NFL, it works in MMA.

Leites took Silva down, he was able to do shit to Silva and then decided to flop the whole way. They should penalize that shit.

Silva on the otherhand needs to be more aggressive, he is now trying to compete with Lyoto as far as not getting hit but Lyotos timing and counterpunching is different than his (its better!).

He's boring as hell when he tries to be too cute

[sugarngold]

You guys are a tough crowd. I say we feed Silva to the lions next.

[Ishrol666]

Have to say I was impressed with Shogun tonight, he looked in far better condition, but i`m afraid its the end of the road for Liddel.

As for Silva, he just needs to ditch the 185, forget about GSP, and move into the 205 division where he will find a challenge, he looked bored as hell tonight against a seriously substandard oponent.

[Tuffnutz]

Lettuce
:lol::yep:lol:

Anderson juts toyed with him.

He could have finished Lettuce any time.

He did'nt even hear the first bell ring until round three. :lol:

Honestly, if you can just destroy a guy in quick time, then do it.

Anderson could have done it but he chose not too. :patsch

[sitiyzal]

Chuck's china chin strikes again.

[Tko4]

What don't you get TKO4? Silva isn't a risk taker he'd rather win on points or tactically then take a risk in getting caught.

Give me a break. He's been willing to engage with far better strikers than Leites, but suddenly he's afraid of getting caught by a guy flopping around like a fish? That whole fight was bizarre. I'm not going to believe that a strong clinch fighter suddenly decided to turn into a poor man's Machida over night.

[bachatu]

What happened here is what we call in the NFL as prevent defense, the problem is unlike the NFL, it works in MMA.

Leites took Silva down, he was able to do shit to Silva and then decided to flop the whole way. They should penalize that shit.

Silva on the otherhand needs to be more aggressive, he is now trying to compete with Lyoto as far as not getting hit but Lyotos timing and counterpunching is different than his. He's boring as hell when he tries to be too cute

I honestly feel he was trying to do the Lyoto thing, like trying to be unhittable. The thing is that style he presented tonight is not the real Anderson Silva we all got to know and like. This is not an exhibition, its not a tv show, leave the practicing for new moves at practice. He had the opportunity to kick leitas' face in and he didn't. In a way, I thought it looked like he took it easy on his fellow Brazilian. I did not see where Leitas possesed any threats to make Anderson so inactive at times, especially when Leitas already looked out of gass in the 4th-5th.

What happened to the hungry Anderson that decapitated Rich Franklin in their first fight?

are we starting to see Silva loose a bit of fire and passion he once had when he was not champion? He looked bored in the ring imo.

[Tuffnutz]

What don't you get TKO4? Silva isn't a risk taker he'd rather win on points or tactically then take a risk in getting caught.

What risk?

There was NO risk. :lol:

Leites had sweet fuck all to beat SIlva with.

That fight should NOT have gone the distance.

[chimba]

Ohh it was a beautiful performance, but he could have done more is what Im saying.

His opponents has equated victory with who lasts longer against him. Im sure Leites next fight will be promoted as "The man who lasted against Anderson"

He just tried to be too cute, lets be honest about that and when tha perfect opportunity didnt present itself, he never pulled the trigger. At the end of the day its still entertainment. In Boxing this would have been hailed as a virtuoso perf. But in MMA it just feels like we needed to see more for $50

[Tko4]

he looked bored as hell tonight against a seriously substandard oponent.

That's what I'm thinking it has to be. People kept saying he was being smart and trying not to take damage. I wouldn't call spending the entire first minute of the fight with your hands at your side trying to be great defensively. I honestly don't know what he was doing. It seemed like he didn't want to hurt Leites and just wanted to waste time most of the fight.

[Tuffnutz]

Give me a break. He's been willing to engage with far better strikers than Leites, but suddenly he's afraid of getting caught by a guy flopping around like a fish? That whole fight was bizarre. I'm not going to believe that a strong clinch fighter suddenly decided to turn into a poor man's Machida over night.
:good

[chimba]

I honestly feel he was trying to do the Lyoto thing, like trying to be unhittable. The thing is that style he presented tonight is not the real Anderson Silva we all got to know and like. This is not an exhibition, its not a tv show, leave the practicing for new moves at practice. He had the opportunity to kick leitas' face in and he didn't. In a way, I thought it looked like he took it easy on his fellow Brazilian. I did not see where Leitas possesed any threats to make Anderson so inactive at times, especially when Leitas already looked out of gass in the 4th-5th.

What happened to the hungry Anderson that decapitated Rich Franklin in their first fight?

are we starting to see Silva loose a bit of fire and passion he once had when he was not champion? He looked bored in the ring imo.


I know Im fishing here but maybe he wants to piss Dana and the UFC and wanted to make a statement. I dont know. Its a mystery.

He knew early on that Thales World Class JJ cant do shit against him (very impressive BTW) and yet he still played around.

[demzor]

I wasn't happy with Silva..

but Thales leites is much more at fault.. and never should have been in this fight.
He didn't engage at all.. he gave up on takedowns and just decided to FLOP. Not pull guard.. just FLOP.

[Tuffnutz]

Ohh it was a beautiful performance, but he could have done more is what Im saying.

His opponents has equated victory with who lasts longer against him. Im sure Leites next fight will be promoted as "The man who lasted against Anderson"

He just tried to be too cute, lets be honest about that and when tha perfect opportunity didnt present itself, he never pulled the trigger. At the end of the day its still entertainment. In Boxing this would have been hailed as a virtuoso perf. But in MMA it just feels like we needed to see more for $50

Well, i'm not impressed with any boxing match that turns out like that.

I supposed it was a bit like Gamboa's fight last night against Rojas.

I was bit bored watching the boxing but SIlva vs Leites was much worse.

[chimba]

Well, i'm not impressed with any boxing match that turns out like that.

I supposed it was a bit like Gamboa's fight last night against Rojas.

I was bit bored watching the boxing but SIlva vs Leites was much worse.

This card is really as bad as Ive seen in a while for the expectation Ive had. MMA is so fuckin unpredictable. Another lame Main Event.

I know Hatton/PAc for example will be a classic, its the undercard in big boxing events that suck ass. But the main events almost never disappoints

[cdnboxing]

Silva is going to have to finish these type of opponents. I like Silva but there is absolutely no way you can put him #1, #2 of the P4P MMA rankings.

[cdnboxing]

This card is really as bad as Ive seen in a while for the expectation Ive had. MMA is so fuckin unpredictable. Another lame Main Event.

I know Hatton/PAc for example will be a classic, its the undercard in big boxing events that suck ass. But the main events almost never disappoints

I agree, im never really disappointed.

However, for the UFC not only was the main event sub par mostly because of Leites inability to fight but the undercard and rest of the main card was brutal.

[OuterDrake]

Silva is going to have to finish these type of opponents. I like Silva but there is absolutely no way you can put him #1, #2 of the P4P MMA rankings.

Performance don't matter.As far as he got a win he still ranked 1 p4p.

[radab]

Silva is going to have to finish these type of opponents. I like Silva but there is absolutely no way you can put him #1, #2 of the P4P MMA rankings.


Silva's clearly at least P4P#2. So he didnt finish his prey in ruthless killer fashion. He still dominated every moment of every round. No one can get anywhere near the guy. And on the frew times they do, even top ground guys like Lettuce and Henderson can do absoliutely nothing.

Anderson's already proved if you attack him you end up brutally knocked out. Tonight he showed if you try and fight him on the back foot, your getting completely dominated.

He's the complete fighter

[chimba]

Silva is going to have to finish these type of opponents. I like Silva but there is absolutely no way you can put him #1, #2 of the P4P MMA rankings.

Although I believe in Silvas skills, you still need to perform at the highest level against a punching bag like Leites.

Fuckin Kampmann tooled Leites. KAmpmann!!! the welterweight

His inability to jump into someones guard in fear of getting submitted is a glaring weakness.

GSP, Fedor and Penn would be humping Leites if he offered top position, Ithey wouldnt fuckin care how good he is at jj

I say Fedor and Silva/GSP with Lyoto 4th

[Tko4]

I say Fedor and Silva/GSP with Lyoto 4th

I agree. Fedor has to be No. 1 because he fights hungry every fight. Silva looked bored to death and like he doesn't give a flying fuck anymore. He just toys around with seriously out-classed opponents. He needs to get put in the cage with someone that puts that fire back in his belly. He really seems to be losing motivation now...and that's not something I've ever seen from Fedor. Sometimes a loss is the best thing that can happen to a fighter...

[Polymath]

Is he still retiring this year?

[SkillsSoSmooth]

Big Silva fan myself but i can't deny i wasn't inspired by the fight at all, it seems to me Silva is turning into the Mayweather of MMA, skill wise he's miles ahead of the everyone else pound for pound and he knows it, so he can either explode into action like he did against Franklin or he can just cruise to victory without even getting a slap like he did tonight, when you are that good you can dictate the fight any way you want and i guess you can't blame the man for taking the easy route every now and then, the man has a family and a UFC record to think about so he obviously wasn't gonna go in with foolish abandonment, one thing that impressed me though was his takedown defence and his ground game once again, it's looking flawless right now,

On Sherdog people have suggested "he's scared of the ground game" but that's clearly bull, he was in Lettuce's half guard towards the end and was hitting him with some shots but didn't seem that bothered about finishing the job, if he was behind by the third round though i bet we would have seen the explosive Silva tonight, he lost the first round against Henderson and then came out like a mad man and subbed him on the ground so we all know he's not just a counter puncher, the man just needs real competition, how many of GSP and Fedor's opponants recently have turned up and don't want to fight like what's happened to Silva in his last two fights?, i can't think of any.

[skier47]

That's what I'm thinking it has to be. People kept saying he was being smart and trying not to take damage. I wouldn't call spending the entire first minute of the fight with your hands at your side trying to be great defensively. I honestly don't know what he was doing. It seemed like he didn't want to hurt Leites and just wanted to waste time most of the fight.

Well, I don't know about not wanting to hurt Leites. He poked him in the eye which is always very dangerous and deliberately targeted his kneecaps. He also struck to Leites legs with his fists; basically he was trying everything to try and hurt and distract his opponent without risking being taken down by a master jits guy. He was trying to avoid the ground game and possible submission by just slowly battering Leites from distance and Leites didn't attack so counterpunching opportunities were rare.

[cdnboxing]

Performance don't matter.As far as he got a win he still ranked 1 p4p.

Who the hell had him at #1. Nobody should.

In MMA, Fedor is king. Hes undefeated and he finishes opponents. And much higher calibre opponents than Leites and Cote.

[cdnboxing]

Although I believe in Silvas skills, you still need to perform at the highest level against a punching bag like Leites.

Fuckin Kampmann tooled Leites. KAmpmann!!! the welterweight

His inability to jump into someones guard in fear of getting submitted is a glaring weakness.

GSP, Fedor and Penn would be humping Leites if he offered top position, Ithey wouldnt fuckin care how good he is at jj

I say Fedor and Silva/GSP with Lyoto 4th

Yep, I agree. Machida has to be up there as well. Its ashame because I never really see him among the top P4P'ers in MMA.

Speaking of Kampmann, I think he can be a very good welterweight.

[Kestrel]

Silva's clearly at least P4P#2. So he didnt finish his prey in ruthless killer fashion. He still dominated every moment of every round. No one can get anywhere near the guy. And on the frew times they do, even top ground guys like Lettuce and Henderson can do absoliutely nothing.



Did you not see the first round???? I wouldn't call that "absolutely nothing".
:patsch

[Kestrel]

Performance don't matter.As far as he got a win he still ranked 1 p4p.

By your own logic, Fedor still is #1, he still winning. Fedor is so far ahead of everyone that I don't think it is really debatable.

[Aniki]

Fedor has been winning forever. Therefore, he's been p4p #1 forever.

[québecwarrior]

Although I believe in Silvas skills, you still need to perform at the highest level against a punching bag like Leites.

Fuckin Kampmann tooled Leites. KAmpmann!!! the welterweight

His inability to jump into someones guard in fear of getting submitted is a glaring weakness.

GSP, Fedor and Penn would be humping Leites if he offered top position, Ithey wouldnt fuckin care how good he is at jj

I say Fedor and Silva/GSP with Lyoto 4th
The first time I agree with you for a long time. It was disgusting. You could bring Miguel Torres from those lower category vs Leites, and he would jump into that guard eye closed because he is one motherfucker hundry. Silva seem to not care anymore. Let him fight RJJ, let him be knocked out.