Australian Boxing Trivia

[dave fletcher]

Here's one for ya's....List in order Australian World Title holders from day dot to present. Also try AUSTRALIAN BORN world title holders from day dot to present.....

[LeonMcS]

Put this in the question time thread.

[flamengo]

Here's one for ya's....List in order Australian World Title holders from day dot to present. Also try AUSTRALIAN BORN world title holders from day dot to present.....

Griffo. Finally recognised by Nat Fleischer in the 1950's as a true World Champ. Location of birth still questionable.. Sofala, NSW is suggested in numerous sources. On a ship enroute to Australia is still debated.

Mick King. Claimant at M/W.

Les Darcy. Arse kicker of all pitiful American so-called fighters. Also recognised bt Nat Fleischer as a true champ. Woud have blasted Greb, Gibbons, Dillon and the other piss-ants into oblivion in the USA. Would take the LHW title without fail. Doubtlessly wiped the floor with Willard also.

Jimmy Carruthers. Australian born. Undisputed Bantam champ.

Lionel Rose. Australian born. Undisputed Bantam champ.

Johnny Famechon. French born. WBC Feather Champ.

Rocky Mattioli. Italian born. WBC Jnr Middle Champ, yet won his crown upon return to Italy.

Jeff Fenech. Australian born. 3 time 'version' title holder.

Lester Ellis. British born. IBF plus another 4 time 'version' title holder.

Barry Michael. British born. IBF 'version' title holder.

Jeff Harding. Australian born. 2 x WBC LH/W 'version' title holder.

Kostya Tszyu. Russian born. 2 x Unified title holder.

Robbie Peden. Australian born. IBF 'version' title holder.

Lovemore N'dou. Born where ever, in a tree??? 'version' title holder.

Vic Darchinyan. Armenian born. Unified plus 'version' title holder. Multi divisional.



Other names such as Ricky Rainer, Craig Trotter, Dave Russel,
Jeff Malcolm etc etc etc have claimed the WBF World Title.

Bob Fitzsimmons gained his greatest boxing knowledge under the guidence of Larry Foley and Jem Mace, before taking the M/W title from Jack Dempsey.... no, not 'William Harrison'........ Therefore deserves as much credit as an Aussie, as many others.

As the response is off the top of my 'empty head', I'm sure I've missed a few names.

Whats the reason for your thread????


whoops!! Mundine and Green too.

[dave fletcher]

The reason I ask this question is because it has come up before in conversations and like yourself I've named those in the order you have but from Carruthers down to Peden and like yourself have stumbled with our more present day boxers, putting them in a true order. Right me if I'm wrong but being new I thought this was the reason for the forum. To keep it rolling along once the correct list is in place, we could test our knowledge as to who dethroned each of these champs. Just a thought.....

[flamengo]

The reason I ask this question is because it has come up before in conversations and like yourself I've named those in the order you have but from Carruthers down to Peden and like yourself have stumbled with our more present day boxers, putting them in a true order. Right me if I'm wrong but being new I thought this was the reason for the forum. To keep it rolling along once the correct list is in place, we could test our knowledge as to who dethroned each of these champs. Just a thought.....

Quit easy... and from memory again.

Grifffo. Never dethrowned as F/W champ... instead ventured to the USA and boxed under the titlage of their bodies.

Mick King. Lost his title to Jeff Smith.

Les Darcy lost his claimancy to leaving Aust soil and death.

Carruthers lost his title to retirement.

Rose lost his title to Rubin Olivares.

Fammo lost his title to judges.. and Vicente Saldivar.

Mattioli lost to maurice Hope.

Fenech lost to 3 relinquishments.

Lester lost to Michael.

Michael lost to Lockeridge

Tszyu lost in part to Phillips.. and to Hatton later on.

There after, its a fucking mess.

Dave Russell lost to Johnny Nelson.

Craig Trotter never defended.

Ricky Rainer???

Lesters IBO, IBA, WBF, etc.. who gives a fuck??

Jeff Malcolm WBF??

Peden's IBF??

All the title losses are quiet easy to chase up.

Harding to McCallum etc.

I sugget you take a peek at boxrec, as the listings of each mans name will be available. As for the title losses... Its worth a shot.

Hopoate lost his IBA H/W title to David Haye, after 15 exciting round in 2011.... lol


If you'd actually like to compile a list of genuine interest, then let me know.

[flamengo]

P.S. Welcome to ESB. Cheers.

[Hmmm]

Dont worry no one has anything against ur post, what Leon was saying is that we already have a thread dedicated to these kind of questions, you can find it here:

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

Its just better to not clutter the forum with too many threads that are similar :)

[flamengo]

WOW... HMMMMMM, thank fuck you are here!

Might have wasted pages of the Aust Forum writing about NRL,AFL,ABC,OMG or WTF instead.

Thanks for the tipping... ooops, I mean tip.

[LeonMcS]

Don't knock the WTF.

[flamengo]

Don't knock the WTF.


I have to laugh. 10 points again.

[Hmmm]

Im pretty sure my post was directed at the noob who was a little offended by Leons comment...

And im sure theres only 1 AFL thread, and only 1 NRL thread. But yes ok, there are a few too many WTF threads!

But im happy to share -tips- with you anytime ;) ;)

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Garry St Claire at super feather - was he an Aussie at the time - can't remember?

[LeonMcS]

Using the patented LeonMcS country of origin formula, yes, as soon as he won the title he was an Aussie. When he lost it he reverted back to South African, or in extreme cases, New Zealander.

[TBooze]

Some; perhaps all? Australian born claimants:

Peter Jackson; Heavy (1889-92; 1892-93)
Frank Slavin; Heavy (1890-92)
Young Griffo; Feather (1890-93)
Jim Hall; Middle (1892-93)
Mick King; Middle (1914)
Les Darcy; Middle (1915-17)
Jimmy Carruthers; Bantam (1952-54)
Lionel Rose; Bantam (1968-69)
Jeff Fenech; Bantam (1985-87) Super Bantam (87-88.) Feather (88-89)
Jeff Harding; Light Heavy (1989-90; 1991-94)
Anthony Mundine; Super Middle (2004)
Robbie Paden; Super Feather (2005)
Danny Green (2007-08.)

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Using the patented LeonMcS country of origin formula, yes, as soon as he won the title he was an Aussie. When he lost it he reverted back to South African, or in extreme cases, New Zealander.

Just hypothetically (and I think I know the answer), in the unlikely event that St Claire won another title, would he automatically revert back to being an Aussie??

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Interestingly, when Carrothers won the bantam title in 1952, he was universally hailed as being Australia's first world boxing champion - there's still footage and newsclips that support that view.

If memory serves correctly, when Rose and Fammo won their titles in the late 60's they, along with Carrothers, were said to have been our only ever world champs.

Darcy, as great as he was, was always said to have won the 'Australian version' of world titles, and other early claimants had various doubts attached to their champion status.

[LeonMcS]

Originally posted by COULDHAVEBEEN
Just hypothetically (and I think I know the answer), in the unlikely event that St Claire won another title, would he automatically revert back to being an Aussie??

Yes, just like Mundine he would become two-time. And he'd have won a second title as well.

[dave fletcher]

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[dave fletcher]

Quit easy... and from memory again.

Grifffo. Never dethrowned as F/W champ... instead ventured to the USA and boxed under the titlage of their bodies.

Mick King. Lost his title to Jeff Smith.

Les Darcy lost his claimancy to leaving Aust soil and death.

Carruthers lost his title to retirement.

Rose lost his title to Rubin Olivares.

Fammo lost his title to judges.. and Vicente Saldivar.

Mattioli lost to maurice Hope.

Fenech lost to 3 relinquishments.

Lester lost to Michael.

Michael lost to Lockeridge

Tszyu lost in part to Phillips.. and to Hatton later on.

There after, its a fucking mess.

Dave Russell lost to Johnny Nelson.

Craig Trotter never defended.

Ricky Rainer???

Lesters IBO, IBA, WBF, etc.. who gives a fuck??

Jeff Malcolm WBF??

Peden's IBF??

All the title losses are quiet easy to chase up.

Harding to McCallum etc.

I sugget you take a peek at boxrec, as the listings of each mans name will be available. As for the title losses... Its worth a shot.

Hopoate lost his IBA H/W title to David Haye, after 15 exciting round in 2011.... lol


If you'd actually like to compile a list of genuine interest, then let me know.



cheers mate its good to get a good response. u obviously know ya boxing

[LeonMcS]

No probs.

[flamengo]

Interestingly, when Carrothers won the bantam title in 1952, he was universally hailed as being Australia's first world boxing champion - there's still footage and newsclips that support that view.

If memory serves correctly, when Rose and Fammo won their titles in the late 60's they, along with Carrothers, were said to have been our only ever world champs.

Darcy, as great as he was, was always said to have won the 'Australian version' of world titles, and other early claimants had various doubts attached to their champion status.

CHB, with the introduction of Nat Fliescher brains, a reasonable format had been introduced... such as ranking systems via the RING magazine in 1922. Newpapers reporters, promoters, Boards of Control and Athletic Clubs were no longer the pinnacle of a CHAMPS worth of standing in the game.

No longer were fighters foreign to the USA 'stripped' of the title won in the USA, upon leaving the shores. Such as Torpedo Billy Murphy who'd beaten Ike Weir for the F/W crown in the USA. Griffo beat Murphy in Oz for the Title, and demolished Weir in the USA upon arrival. Yet, he never become champ in his day. Even belting Jack McAullife for the L/W crown was a doomed venture, and a decision given by Maxie Moore in favour for McAullife went down in history.

Griffo and Darcy had as much right to title claimancy as anyone in the game at the time. Torpedo Billy Murphy had also been presented with a title belt... typically ignored once he left the USA.

Darcy and Griffo were given the blessings of Nat Fliescher whilst he was in Australia in the 1950's.

Carruthers was Australias first 'universally' recognised champ, followed by Rose.

Fammo was recognised by the WBC.. not the WBA. Thankfully the RING magazine recognised Fammo as CHAMPION. Just a shame it took 25 years for Fammo to get his belt.

Thats where the modern day title bullshit begins with governing bodies.

[flamengo]

No probs.


You legend. :rofl

[flamengo]

Some; perhaps all? Australian born claimants:

Peter Jackson; Heavy (1889-92; 1892-93)
Frank Slavin; Heavy (1890-92)
Young Griffo; Feather (1890-93)
Jim Hall; Middle (1892-93)
Mick King; Middle (1914)
Les Darcy; Middle (1915-17)
Jimmy Carruthers; Bantam (1952-54)
Lionel Rose; Bantam (1968-69)
Jeff Fenech; Bantam (1985-87) Super Bantam (87-88.) Feather (88-89)
Jeff Harding; Light Heavy (1989-90; 1991-94)
Anthony Mundine; Super Middle (2004)
Robbie Paden; Super Feather (2005)
Danny Green (2007-08.)

Australian born claiments????

Peter Jackson- West Indies - 'Coloured' champion of the White World.

[TBooze]

Australian born claiments????

Peter Jackson- West Indies - 'Coloured' champion of the White World.


Although not Australian by birth (I was getting a little carried away; pleased that I remembered Famechon was French;)) his victory over Slavin was for Police Gazette Title, and thus the title was split until Jeffries beat Jackson and then Fitzy.

Peter Jackson's claim is up there with Corbett's and stronger than say a Darcy's or Griffo's.....

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

CHB, with the introduction of Nat Fliescher brains, a reasonable format had been introduced... such as ranking systems via the RING magazine in 1922. Newpapers reporters, promoters, Boards of Control and Athletic Clubs were no longer the pinnacle of a CHAMPS worth of standing in the game....

....No longer were fighters foreign to the USA 'stripped' of the title won in the USA, upon leaving the shores.

....Thats where the modern day title bullshit begins with governing bodies.

Sadly 'worthy of' didn't always equal 'recognised as'.

In the old days it must have been like trying to prize the Americas Cup (yacht racing) away from the Yanks - if you beat them they just changed the rules, again!!

[flamengo]

Sadly 'worthy of' didn't always equal 'recognised as'.

In the old days it must have been like trying to prize the Americas Cup (yacht racing) away from the Yanks - if you beat them they just changed the rules, again!!

"in the old days"???? "..they just changed the rules"

Are you saying times have changed????? Nothing seems any different to me....:hey