Botha vs. Hoffman on May 15th

[Charles White]

Who takes this one? Botha has never lost on points, but he's getting older and fatter with each fight. I am a fan of Botha's, and will be rooting for him, but I see Hoffman taking this one by mid to late round tko/ko.

[FROST]

Personally I've always been a fan of Timo Hoffmann even if he is a limited fighter. He's just a honest nice guy who deserves some success. On a good night Hoffmann is/was a 'pretty good' HW but when he has an off-night he's awful, you never quite know what to expect. Like he gave Krasniqui and Dimitrenko tough fights (then again Dimitrenko is overrated) but totally fucked up against Timor Ibragimov. Plus he remains the only fighter to have gone the distance with Vitali Klitschko. So I'd like Timo to have that one last decent win and retire, as he clearly is over the hill.

And I think he's gonna get that win, Botha is just a shadow of his former self, like you said he's old and fat and inactive, and probably just keeps on fighting for the cash - he's not the same fighter that faced Tyson anymore. If Hoffmann doesn't have an off-night I guess he has enough left to stop Botha by the mid to late rds, but if Hoffmann has a bad day/night... you never know...

[Charles White]

Good stuff Frost.

[Kampioni]

Your right about Botha being old/out of shape.. Thats why i give Hoffmann an edge to this duel. For me, Hoffmann wins it via UD, but TKO is a possibility.

[kostya by ko]

The unfortunate thing about this fight is that both these guys are fighting each other.

Hoffmann in particular would be a great test for someone on their way up.

[catasyou]

Can't but root for Botha,I always liked him but he is way to old and way to out of shape to be fighting anything more than journeymen.He was 268 lbs last time out,that's terrible.
Botha has to knock him out,which I doubt he will.

[Charles White]

All good points, but remember, Botha has never lost on points before. He did do a terrible job against an unheralded opponent last time out though.

[catasyou]

Fight is in Germany,Botha needs to knock him out.That's reality.

[Chiefs]

Bothas back!!

[RonnieHornschuh]

Both are waaaaaaay over the hill. prime vs. prime botha probably takes it, right now hoffmann probably wins (keep in mind botha got knocked out a hundred times in k1).

[K-Man]

The really sad thing is THAT they're both still fighting.

[Freedom]

The really sad thing is THAT they're both still fighting.
Exactly, who in their right mind would give a f**k about this fight?:lol:

[Charles White]

Exactly, who in their right mind would give a f**k about this fight?:lol:On a world level/scale? Probably nobody as both of these fighters are past their prime and unlikely to make any more noise in the division. But this is an interesting fight for fans of Botha or Hoffman.

[Toney]

Personally I've always been a fan of Timo Hoffmann even if he is a limited fighter. He's just a honest nice guy who deserves some success.

How can you call someone who has been tested positive for steroids a honest guy? :huh

[Rick G]

Botha is cool - that's it. Let's see what he has left.
Boxing is not MMA, he still seems to have solid boxing skills.

[Cruiser1]

Exactly, who in their right mind would give a f**k about this fight?:lol:

The fight is insignificant as far as actual contention is concerned but in itself, the fight can end up being somewhat entertaining. Not every fight has to be meaningful. Good fights take place all the time without anything actually being on the line.

[Charles White]

The fight is insignificant as far as actual contention is concerned but in itself, the fight can end up being somewhat entertaining. Not every fight has to be meaningful. Good fights take place all the time without anything actually being on the line.:yep That's what Im trying to say.

[diamondDave]

In their primes Botha would have won this on points. Now I am not so sure. Neither man is what they once were though. I think Botha is going to pull it out though on guile.

Botha UD12 Hoffman

[catasyou]

In their primes Botha would have won this on points. Now I am not so sure. Neither man is what they once were though. I think Botha is going to pull it out though on guile.

Botha UD12 Hoffman
You're joking right...........?
The fight is in Germany.......the local papers just showed that if it goes the distance Hoffman will win by 115-113,16-112 and 118-110.
Botha needs a KO.

[kenmore]

Hoffman gave Dmitrienko a very tough fight only a few months ago. Assuming Hoffman is still as a intense as he was when he faced Dmitrienko, he should be able to beat Botha handily. Remember that Botha is way overweight and he's coming back after a lengthly layoff. I say Hoffman wins this one by a clear cut unanimous decision.

[Armo_Ruski]

ummm id like to see a double ko here and both deciding to call it quits after their encounter. but i highly doubt this will happen. more botha to come after this i fear. oh god help us!:lol::patsch

[NBT]

Fight is in Germany,Botha needs to knock him out.That's reality.
Is it? How did he manage get the decision against Axel Schulz then? I'd like to hear your theory. :lol:
(Didn't do him any good because he was caught roiding, but that's another story)

[catasyou]

Is it? How did he manage get the decision against Axel Schulz then? I'd like to hear your theory. :lol:
(Didn't do him any good because he was caught roiding, but that's another story)
True but you can't tempt the faiths more than once in Germany.:D

[diamondDave]

You're joking right...........?
The fight is in Germany.......the local papers just showed that if it goes the distance Hoffman will win by 115-113,16-112 and 118-110.
Botha needs a KO.


Thats really funny!!!

I feel the same way about Jermain Taylor when he fights here in the States.

[catasyou]

Thats really funny!!!

I feel the same way about Jermain Taylor when he fights here in the States.
Not anymore:yep

[gregor]

I will root for Botha as well, but I don't think he'll make it. He is old, way out of shape, and on top of that the fight is in Germany.

I do not understand why Botha keeps fighting at all. His finances are OK if I remember correctly (and he is not making serious $$$ fighting guys like Mirovic or anyone in K1). And if he does it just for the fun I would expect him to be in much better shape - he looked fat already at 233 against Etienne, and now he added additional 35 pounds. Does not make any sense for me...

[diamondDave]

Not anymore:yep


Did you see the scores from that Froch fight? He was by four points on two of the three cards!!!!!

[catasyou]

Did you see the scores from that Froch fight? He was by four points on two of the three cards!!!!!
Didn't really matter though.......

[Charles White]

In their primes Botha would have won this on points. Now I am not so sure. Neither man is what they once were though. I think Botha is going to pull it out though on guile.

Botha UD12 HoffmanBold choice. I like it.

[Rick G]

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Botha is back in Germany. Let's see whether he comes as a paid looser or whether he wants to give Hoffmann a boxing lesson!

Free TV: DSF live 22:30 CEST

[Charles White]

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Botha is back in Germany. Let's see whether he comes as a paid looser or whether he wants to give Hoffmann a boxing lesson!

Free TV: DSF live 22:30 CESTThanks for the photo Rick.:good

[Farmboxer]

How old is Botha now? Seems like he has been fighting for a hundred years.

[Rick G]

Birth date: 1968-09-28 -> age 40
Pro debut in 1990

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[Rick G]

Timo Hoffmann 115,4 kg
Francois Botha 114,5 kg (-7 kg compared to last bout!)

[Charles White]

Timo Hoffmann 115,4 kg
Francois Botha 114,5 kg (-7 kg compared to last bout!)Im glad to hear that Botha has been working his ass off, but still, that is still on the heavy side for him, but I am still gonna be rooting for him. Botha SD.:bbb

[FROST]

This bout is for the WBF HW title - so this means that Timo can become the second german HW champion of the world (after Max Schmeling) this evening :yep

[Bobby]

hope botha wins , we need a senior circuit with botha,holtfield,seldon,bowe etc...

[Charles White]

hope botha wins , we need a senior circuit with botha,holtfield,seldon,bowe etc...:lol: You know it sounds bad when you think about all of these old timers coming back, but then I find myself rooting for them each time they fight. I seriously wouldn't mind seeing a senior circuit. They could probably put on some more interesting fights than most of the younger guys these days.:-(

[diamondDave]

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I hope Botha is not sucking it in for this picture. I have seen his body in worse shape. He is never going to win a beauty contests but he knows how to fight. Hoffman doesn't look like he is in the best shape I have ever seen him in before. They use to call him 'The Body' a few years ago, but not anymore.

[Sakura]

Hoffman UD

[Toney]

I don´t think that Hoffman can put enough pressure to stop Botha from outboxing him. I expect a lot of close rounds and Botha to win by a close decision.

[kenmore]

Hoffman is a fairly heavy betting favorite with the bookmakers. I'd like to see him win; he gave Dmitrienko a competitive fight recently.

[Toney]

J u s t i n . tv is showing the fight! Hoffman is doing well.

[Charles White]

J u s t i n . tv is showing the fight! Hoffman is doing well.What is the update?

[ghost kid]

5 to 1 Hoffman or something like that

[Charles White]

5 to 1 so far?...

[ghost kid]

end of 8
Botha is getting beat on points every round
maybe he has one 1

[Charles White]

Damn. Buffalo is being shot down.

[ghost kid]

2 rounds to go
Hoffman way ahead

[FROST]

Hofmann down, saved by the bell!

[ghost kid]

Hoffman down in rnd 11 and hurt !
Bell rings !

[Charles White]

Come on Buffalo, knock his ass out!!

[FROST]

Botha had Hofmann badly hurt again in the 12th, but couldn't finish him. A 10-8 round for Botha again in my book. Let's wait for the scorecards

[ghost kid]

going to the cards
should be a Hoffman victory
he barely made it to the end
the ref helped him a lot in the last round

[FROST]

117-110 Botha
114-113 Hofmann
114-113 Botha

Botha wins by SD!!!

[ghost kid]

Split for botha !!!!!!

[Charles White]

FUUUUUUCKKKKKKK YEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAh!! Sorry gentleman. I am a big Botha fan. I am at work right now, pretending to do shit, and I can't see the fight, so Im relying on you guys. When I read this, I jumped out of my seat and started cheering. Everybody was staring at me, including my boss, but I don't give a shit, and neither did they once I explained. Fuck Yeah, this is turning out to be a great day after all.

[ghost kid]

sorry fellas
i must be blind
i had hoffman way ahead
:patsch

[ghost kid]

FUUUUUUCKKKKKKK YEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAh!! Sorry gentleman. I am a big Botha fan. I am at work right now, pretending to do shit, and I can't see the fight, so Im relying on you guys. When I read this, I jumped out of my seat and started cheering. Everybody was staring at me, including my boss, but I don't give a shit, and neither did they once I explained. Fuck Yeah, this is turning out to be a great day after all.

Congrats man !

[Charles White]

Congrats man !:lol: Thanks.

[Charles White]

In terms of action, how was this fight?

[FROST]

I was able to see the fight Charles, here's my report:

I had it 8rds to 4 for Hofmann, but with Botha having two 10-8 rds... that'd make 114-112 for Hofmann. A close fight after all, since Hofmann nearly got knocked out and was totally finished by the end of the fight I guess Botha winning is OK. The south-african judge had it 117-110 for Botha, that's just ridiculous. Hofmann gave that fight away. Hofmann was down again in the 12th but the ref didn't count it, while Bothas cornerman jumped into the ring - what a fool...

Hoffmann was in control of the fight for the first 9 rds, he pressured Botha with his jab, basic 1-2 combos and then held him. Botha looked rusty and sloppy as hell for the first 5-6 rds, he didn't find his range and fought in spurts, but then he timed Hofmann and connected more and more with counter right hands - nearly too much for Hofmann. Hofmann was knocked down in the 11th and barely made it to his feet again, he was saved by the bell, and he was knocked down again and out on his feet in the 12th, but Botha didn't have enough left to finish him..

But all in all it was a boring fight with lots of holding, both men looked amateurish at times and they're both done at top level.

I'm really sorry for Hofmann, he should hang em up now, he had a disappointing career after all, he's a great guy who deserved better... He always worked hard but he was never able to be consistent, well I think he's just not talented enough to really be a top fighter.

As for Botha, he had a respectable performance for an old fat man, but he's nowhere near the fighter he once was - I think he should also retire with a last decent win on his record.

[Charles White]

FROST-You da man. Thanks for the report. On a side note, I like the avatar. I remember when that issue of the Everlast catalogue came out. I enjoyed the interview of Toney in it, and I still have a copy of that issue. Good stuff.

[Sakura]

Boxing is going down...i never could believe that old dude who get beating at K1 series can survive with decent boxer in these days

[Bobby]

Toney, great job with the prediciton, well done botha puts him back in line for a payday in germany against a big name you would think.

[Toney]

What is the update?

I´m sorry, I really felt a sleep during the fight.

Nice to hear that Botha got the decision. I have always hated Hoffman.

[FROST]

FROST-You da man. Thanks for the report. On a side note, I like the avatar. I remember when that issue of the Everlast catalogue came out. I enjoyed the interview of Toney in it, and I still have a copy of that issue. Good stuff.

You're welcome, Charles! :good

[Rick G]

Francois Botha has my full respect for this absolutely outstanding performance. Most of the holding and wrestling came from Hoffmann! who was schooled the whole fight. Botha leaned back and made him miss, made him look silly all the time. If Hoffmann connected Botha somehow managed to minor the effects. Botha paced himself wisely and was in full control of the fight. He always had a knowing smile on his face... The fight was really entertaining and fun to watch. Thanks SES!

The 114-113 for Hoffmann comes from the german ref and is complete BS. That guy must have been drunk, bribed, mentally absent or whatever!

The ref Robert Verwijs was a total disgrace: He actively helped Hoffmann not being KOed in the last round by continuously interrupting the fight! Before he helped him up after the first KD, unclear commands all the time etc.

[diamondDave]

FUUUUUUCKKKKKKK YEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAh!! Sorry gentleman. I am a big Botha fan. I am at work right now, pretending to do shit, and I can't see the fight, so Im relying on you guys. When I read this, I jumped out of my seat and started cheering. Everybody was staring at me, including my boss, but I don't give a shit, and neither did they once I explained. Fuck Yeah, this is turning out to be a great day after all.

That is a hardcore boxing fan for yea!

Glad to see Botha win too. I wonder who he will go after next?

[catasyou]

Glad to see Botha win it altough I didn't expect it.
Sure hope he gets a golod final payday.

[diamondDave]

You're joking right...........?
The fight is in Germany.......the local papers just showed that if it goes the distance Hoffman will win by 115-113,16-112 and 118-110.
Botha needs a KO.


It looks like Botha got a fair decision in Germany!

[catasyou]

It looks like Botha got a fair decision in Germany!
Yeah,he probabab;y went to church often lately:D
Anyway I heard the SD was crap.Heard should have been a UD but I havent seen it yet.
Was it on ZDF?

[kenmore]

It looks like Botha got a fair decision in Germany!

Then again, Botha might have been lucky to get the decision: Frost thought that Hoffman won eight of the 12 rounds. Either way, it sounds like Hoffman is finished as a fighter. He barely survived the final two rounds.

[Rick G]

Don't forget: Botha came in as the champion, so you have to give close rounds to him! Hoffmann had his moments in the early rounds, but Botha was never really hurt by Hoffmann. Hoffmann absorbed too many punches and was broken down step by step.
Then there was an interesting process to watch: When Botha came in he was booed out what I think is normal behavior of the local fan base. At the end the crowd was applauding his victory.

[Charles White]

That is a hardcore boxing fan for yea!

Glad to see Botha win too. I wonder who he will go after next?:lol: I sure am. I am obsessed with this sport. Im not sure who Botha will target next, anybody know where he stands in the rankings?

[Ivo]

Yeah,he probabab;y went to church often lately:D
Anyway I heard the SD was crap.Heard should have been a UD but I havent seen it yet.
Was it on ZDF?

It was on DSF.

In my opinion it was a close fight but final rounds were critical for Hoffmann. He barely survived. I think it was partly his fault because when he was hurt he kept coming forward meeting Botha's rights. He kept coming making it easier for Botha. I guess he should have let Botha lead the action in those hard moments. The guy has the heart. Yuo cannot deny it. He never backs down.

[Rick G]

For Hoffmann it is not heart, IMHO it's plain stupid and not really healthy to absorb all punches with the head. The cumulative effect from too many fights was really obvious.

[catasyou]

Just saw the fight,I had it 115-112 and I think it should have been a UD.
The first 10 rounds were close with both guys getting some in,Hoffmann's gameplan coming in was wrong IMO and he also looked nervous in comparison to Botha who was very calm and even arogant I might say.Hoffmann was just coming in with a jab then straight right hand and then clinching,a lot of clinching.When he landed the jab which he should have kept all the fight he would win the round.On the other hand Botha was sitting back and trying to counterpunch with the right hand and at times made it easy against the come forward Hoffmann.Botha also worked the body good in the clinches and had nice defensive maneuvres.Botha still has some ring inteligence.By the 11 he knocked Hoffmann down and if he had more time probably would have ended,also in the 12th there was a clear and clean right hand on the chin of Hoffmann that put him down and the ref saved him.That was bad refing at the end.Botha would have stopped him.
All in all it wa sa decent showing by the south african and he should get the canceled Dannny Williams fight now that they both are on track.

[Charles White]

Anybody know where Botha stands in the rankings now?

[catasyou]

Anybody know where Botha stands in the rankings now?
He ain'r ranked by either of the big four but in next month's rankins we might see him.

[Charles White]

He ain'r ranked by either of the big four but in next month's rankins we might see him.:think :good