Classic members: do you have another historical interest? Does it ever tie in...

[McGrain]

...with boxing?

I took a mad fancy for pit-bull terriers a while back, tracing the genealogy of certain breeds etc. and found that it crossed over into boxing on occasion, quite without my looking for it. The two Jack's, Dempsey and Johnson, were both pitbull fanciers. It made me laugh to read that Dempsey turned down ownership of a top-line fighting dog because it was "to small":lol: that was a nice irony considering how often I read that about Jack himself in the General forum.

Anyway, what about you boys? What other areas of history interest you? Does it ever cross over into boxing?

[flamengo]

Not really... Just have a Jack Russel named Max. He was born the week after Schmeling died. Having had a little correspondance with Schmeling in the mid 90's, I thought it a nice tribute.

[teeto]

...with boxing?

I took a mad fancy for pit-bull terriers a while back, tracing the genealogy of certain breeds etc. and found that it crossed over into boxing on occasion, quite without my looking for it. The two Jack's, Dempsey and Johnson, were both pitbull fanciers. It made me laugh to read that Dempsey turned down ownership of a top-line fighting dog because it was "to small":lol: that was a nice irony considering how often I read that about Jack himself in the General forum.

Anyway, what about you boys? What other areas of history interest you? Does it ever cross over into boxing?
Just to let you know McGrain, i have a 100% non-violent pitbull, you'd like him.

[AlFrancis]

I've got 2 cocker spaniels, Stella and Artois.

[McGrain]

Just to let you know McGrain, i have a 100% non-violent pitbull, you'd like him.


Cool! Are you in Liverpool? There are plenty of these dogs around that area still, aren't there? Fire me a picture when you get a minute.

[McGrain]

:lol:

This is not a thread about dogs. HISTORY.

[flamengo]

I've got 2 cocker spaniels, Stella and Artois.

Mate, if I get a nice block of land one day, with room for enough, I'll have Rose, Harada and Rudkin.... all names out of respectful reasons.

I dont think I'll ever call one Griffo... as He'd never do as requested!!!!

[AlFrancis]

Mate, if I get a nice block of land one day, with room for enough, I'll have Rose, Harada and Rudkin.... all names out of respectful reasons.

I dont think I'll ever call one Griffo... as He'd never do as requested!!!!


Don't call one Olivares either haha.

[teeto]

Hahaha

[fists of fury]

I like history in general, although I'm not really the type to go out and buy books about any specific period.
One specific period I do like though is WW2, basically because it could be one of the most important events in human history. I have lots of books on that subject. As for it crossing over with boxing, well it affected pretty much every boxer active during that period.

[lefthook31]

I collect classic BMW's mostly with some sort of racing lineage to BMW.

[mcvey]

...with boxing?

I took a mad fancy for pit-bull terriers a while back, tracing the genealogy of certain breeds etc. and found that it crossed over into boxing on occasion, quite without my looking for it. The two Jack's, Dempsey and Johnson, were both pitbull fanciers. It made me laugh to read that Dempsey turned down ownership of a top-line fighting dog because it was "to small":lol: that was a nice irony considering how often I read that about Jack himself in the General forum.

Anyway, what about you boys? What other areas of history interest you? Does it ever cross over into boxing?

I have allways been interested in whats under women's skirts and look up on it whenever I can :good

[flamengo]

I have allways been interested in whats under women's skirts and look up on it whenever I can :good

"LEGS".... thats the word for today. Spread the word.

[flamengo]

Reading about the APACHE WARS was an interset a few years back. The hardships, trial and tribulations of both, Indians and pioneers was amazing. Brutality was second to nothing... from both sides. Disgraceful to comprehend, yet, its history...

There's a lot to be said about the bastardisasian of cultures through history in general. Religion, Greed (Based on Religion and self manifefsted importance on a national basis) and desire to conquer (whilst serving an egotude) is pathetic.

[bladerunner]

The Mob.

[bigjake]

i've always been interested in gunfighters,men like wild bill hickok,wyatt earp,the james boys,ben thompson,doc haliday,etc.

[AlFrancis]

I've always had an interest in the mob as well. At the moment I'm interested in Cuba, past and present.

[flamengo]

The Mob.


....and skimpy underpants???

[AlFrancis]

....and skimpy underpants???


I agree, nice arse!

[teeto]

Yeah i went through all the phases like The Mob, and Spaghetti Westerns as well!

I read this brilliant book called Cosa Nostra, it's about The Mafia in Sicily, i think it details as much as it can all the way back to about 150 years ago (i really can't remember exactly) and runs right up to 2001 about. It does deviate fro the Sicily storyline briefly with the American bits, mostly about the most famous American mobsters in New York, Philladelphia, Chicago etc. But it then gets right back in the thick of the Sicilian mafia. Brilliant read, truly well researched.

I also read Sammy the Bull's book, Underboss, that was good. I spoke to someone who read John Gotti's and they obviously vary in some aspects of stories told of events.

I actually really liked the film 'Gotti', it just was nowhere near as high budget as the great ones (Goodfellas etc), but they did get Anthony Quinn and he was class there.

[AlFrancis]

Yeah i went through all the phases like The Mob, and Spaghetti Westerns as well!

I read this brilliant book called Cosa Nostra, it's about The Mafia in Sicily, i think it details as much as it can all the way back to about 150 years ago (i really can't remember exactly) and runs right up to 2001 about. It does deviate fro the Sicily storyline briefly with the American bits, mostly about the most famous American mobsters in New York, Philladelphia, Chicago etc. But it then gets right back in the thick of the Sicilian mafia. Brilliant read, truly well researched.

I also read Sammy the Bull's book, Underboss, that was good. I spoke to someone who read John Gotti's and they obviously vary in some aspects of stories told of events.

I actually really liked the film 'Gotti', it just was nowhere near as high budget as the great ones (Goodfellas etc), but they did get Anthony Quinn and he was class there.

I read a good one a few years ago.I think it was called "The last testament of Lucky Luciano". A good read.
Talking of books. You got to read "43 years with the same bird" by Brian Reade. A lifelong Liverpool fan talking about his memories of the club. A great and sometimes harrowing read. Every Liverpool fan should read it.

[teeto]

I read a good one a few years ago.I think it was called "The last testament of Lucky Luciano". A good read.
Talking of books. You got to read "43 years with the same bird" by Brian Reade. A lifelong Liverpool fan talking about his memories of the club. A great and sometimes harrowing read. Every Liverpool fan should read it.
Well i'm getting that then.

The Curtis ****** book is interesting, if you're into true crime.

At the minute i've got Joe Gans' and Jake Lamotta's in the house, haven't given them enough time cos i'm a bit busy. I finished Duran's and read most of Archie Moore's, but Charley Burley's is just head and shoulders above for me, probably my fave read.

Thanks for the info on the book, i'm going to town tomorrow, should be in the Waterstone's shouldn't it? The title sounds very well put.

[sweet_scientist]

Not really into history per se, but I do like looking at the arts generally, and you could say I have an interest in the history of western philosophy, literature and art.

I've gotten a kick from seeing references made to boxing in works as old as Homer's The Iliad and The Odyssey, and Plato's The Republic. Also got a kick when I went to Greece on a holiday a couple of years ago, and discovered a wall painting of "two boxing children" in the Athens National Museum. The painting was dated to 1500 BC, which is just mind boggling. It is now my avatar. :good

[flamengo]

Not really into history per se, but I do like looking at the arts generally, and you could say I have an interest in the history of western philosophy, literature and art.

I've gotten a kick from seeing references made to boxing in works as old as Homer's The Iliad and The Odyssey, and Plato's The Republic. Also got a kick when I went to Greece on a holiday a couple of years ago, and discovered a wall painting of "two boxing children" in the Athens National Museum. The painting was dated to 1500 BC, which is just mind boggling. It is now my avatar. :good


Geez... I thought that pic was Liston-Patterson!



Good to know of your intest mate. Did you manage to visit the old 'Olympia' for the sake of fistic interests?

[joe33]

I dont post in here that much, but do read it a lot, you can learn a lot in here, though i sometimes think people over do the thinking some times, in the end some men are just born to be great fighters, while others no matter what they do are not. Any way im a huge millitary history nutter

[sweet_scientist]

Geez... I thought that pic was Liston-Patterson!



Good to know of your intest mate. Did you manage to visit the old 'Olympia' for the sake of fistic interests?

:lol: Spitting image aren't they?

Unfortunately I didn't get a chance to mate. Totally regret it now. Don't know when I'll get the chance to go again, but if and when I do, it will be a priority. :good

[flamengo]

:lol: Spitting image aren't they?

Unfortunately I didn't get a chance to mate. Totally regret it now. Don't know when I'll get the chance to go again, but if and when I do, it will be a priority. :good

I hope you make it back there sometime.

Cheers mate . :good

[MrPook]

I find medievel times and 17th century very interesting.

And I do study to become a history teacher.

I'm working on a paper right now about boxing diets and training trough times and ages.
The paper has four chapters.

1. Ancient times
2. The bareknuckle days
3. The old school days
4. Nowadays.

I got some questions I would like to ask. I did write down the questions in the post of the links below.

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And if anyone has good sources or nows certain things about the subject I would be very pleased if you let me now.

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[Sweet Pea]

I'm just into history in general. Films, historical figures, literature, sports, mythology, etc. Nothing especially specific outside of boxing and film.

[stevebhoy87]

Celtic FC, napoleonic wars(not read anything on that in years mind) and true crime and the mob, the mob being the only thing that losely ties in with boxing

[teeto]

Not really into history per se, but I do like looking at the arts generally, and you could say I have an interest in the history of western philosophy, literature and art.

I've gotten a kick from seeing references made to boxing in works as old as Homer's The Iliad and The Odyssey, and Plato's The Republic. Also got a kick when I went to Greece on a holiday a couple of years ago, and discovered a wall painting of "two boxing children" in the Athens National Museum. The painting was dated to 1500 BC, which is just mind boggling. It is now my avatar. :good
Thanks for explaining the avatar SS, nice story.

[markedwardscott]

Military history. Fleischer called McAuliffe "the Napoleon of the prize ring."

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[MrMarvel]

World history generally. It can't help but tie into boxing.

[AlFrancis]

Well i'm getting that then.

The Curtis ****** book is interesting, if you're into true crime.

At the minute i've got Joe Gans' and Jake Lamotta's in the house, haven't given them enough time cos i'm a bit busy. I finished Duran's and read most of Archie Moore's, but Charley Burley's is just head and shoulders above for me, probably my fave read.

Thanks for the info on the book, i'm going to town tomorrow, should be in the Waterstone's shouldn't it? The title sounds very well put.

Yes, I've read Cocky, none of the others though. I've got Papa Jack (biography of Jack Johnson) sitting on my bedside table, gonna be reading that next.

[red cobra]

I don't have a dog, but I've got a cat, and he's a real badass..knows how to fight like a boxer, has fast, lightning reflexes, of all things, a JAB, head moves, the hind leg stuff that cats always use, and I'd give him a shot against any dog or cat his size. Pound for pound it's no secret that cats can outfight dogs, as they have a greater arsenal of weapons at their disposal, being that they are minerature replicas of their big, wild cousins.

[MrPook]

I had a cat that made a BIG dog run for his life

[Duodenum]

I had an interest in the history of motion pictures, and the history of gloved boxing dovetails with that very nicely.

[ChrisPontius]

I like history in general, but most particularly wars. World war I, II and the Vietnam war are fascinating subjects, as well as more ancient times. Most recently i've looked into the development of ironclad ships and how in 60 years they evolved into the beast shown in my avatar, and how they've become more or less obsolete since the 70's. :-(

[mcvey]

I like history in general, but most particularly wars. World war I, II and the Vietnam war are fascinating subjects, as well as more ancient times. Most recently i've looked into the development of ironclad ships and how in 60 years they evolved into the beast shown in my avatar, and how they've become more or less obsolete since the 70's. :-(

Van Tromp eh?

[ChrisPontius]

Van Tromp eh?

The Dutch golden age. :good

[djanders]

I don't have a dog, but I've got a cat, and he's a real badass..knows how to fight like a boxer, has fast, lightning reflexes, of all things, a JAB, head moves, the hind leg stuff that cats always use, and I'd give him a shot against any dog or cat his size. Pound for pound it's no secret that cats can outfight dogs, as they have a greater arsenal of weapons at their disposal, being that they are minerature replicas of their big, wild cousins.

It sounds like your cat is in fighting shape! I have a spoiled, lazy old Maine Coon Cat. Well past her prime, she's a disgrace to her cat ancestors! All she does now is lay around, sleep, and mew when she's hungry. I doubt if she could jab her way out of a wet paper sack. She did terrorize a neighborhood dog or two...back in her heyday...which, like mine, is long gone. :lol:

[Gesta]

Not really into history per se, but I do like looking at the arts generally, and you could say I have an interest in the history of western philosophy, literature and art.

I've gotten a kick from seeing references made to boxing in works as old as Homer's The Iliad and The Odyssey, and Plato's The Republic. Also got a kick when I went to Greece on a holiday a couple of years ago, and discovered a wall painting of "two boxing children" in the Athens National Museum. The painting was dated to 1500 BC, which is just mind boggling. It is now my avatar. :good

sweet_scientist

I have been into Phliosophy for a while now with Nietzsche, Schopenhauer and Plato giving my the most insight.

Like your avatar:thumbsup

[eborted_l]

I'm a History student at a lesser known university in Britain and have spent the last four hours reading bits and pieces from the classic forum instead of revising for exams i have on Monday and Wednesday on the Cold War and immigration into Britain. I guess i find the historiographical debates on Ezzard Charles's chin more interesting than fucking detente but if i had an exam on the subject, it would probably be vice versa.....

[eborted_l]

O and to the 2nd part of question, i do a module on sport and leisure history but it unfortunately rarely ties in with boxing although my dissertation next year on sports and newspapers should hopefully tie in with it more

[Jack Dempsey]

The golden era of Hollywood and the 1920's and 1930's in general, almost all of the boxing stuff I collect is from this era

[enquirer]

Im interested in what makes people tick (most especially myself!) and what defines 'being human'.
This interest encompasses philosophy,religion,history and modern self developmental thought like 'emotional intelligence' et al.
Of course this ties in with boxers and their motivations...
I would finally add its a lifelong outer journey and generally seems to be already staring you in the face internally...Like searching for the ox while riding it....To be an 'individual' you have to be in 'communion' with people,and to be in 'communion' with people you have to be an individual...

[flamengo]

Im interested in what makes people tick (most especially myself!) and what defines 'being human'.
This interest encompasses philosophy,religion,history and modern self developmental thought like 'emotional intelligence' et al.
Of course this ties in with boxers and their motivations...
I would finally add its a lifelong outer journey and generally seems to be already staring you in the face internally...Like searching for the ox while riding it....To be an 'individual' you have to be in 'communion' with people,and to be in 'communion' with people you have to be an individual...


nicely put.. and 'never the Twain shall meet'.

There would be an incredible amount of back slapping from all sides... thus creating no individuality.........Or a community without individuality..

Humans dont work like ants. We should learn from them.

[Maxmomer]

I have a shar-pei.

[Mendoza]

Extinct animals and cultures.

[red cobra]

It sounds like your cat is in fighting shape! I have a spoiled, lazy old Maine Coon Cat. Well past her prime, she's a disgrace to her cat ancestors! All she does now is lay around, sleep, and mew when she's hungry. I doubt if she could jab her way out of a wet paper sack. She did terrorize a neighborhood dog or two...back in her heyday...which, like mine, is long gone. :lol:
Maine Coons are big ol' boys that have a nice guy disposition...they are also prone to getting diseases of the heart, etc., being a distinct breed. They're kind like a gentle giant in a way...mine is descended from a long line of alley cats, and is an indoor cat, but he has his claws (after the neutering job, I refused to take anything else away from him) and he knows moves that would have made Jack Dempsey proud...

[red cobra]

I'm a History student at a lesser known university in Britain and have spent the last four hours reading bits and pieces from the classic forum instead of revising for exams i have on Monday and Wednesday on the Cold War and immigration into Britain. I guess i find the historiographical debates on Ezzard Charles's chin more interesting than fucking detente but if i had an exam on the subject, it would probably be vice versa.....
Speaking of Ezzard Charles, he's one of my favorite fighters, and if his chin is in debate, let it be said that he fought more times and against more monster fighters than anyone does today. My favorite fight of his to watch is the Louis fight. I know Louis was past his prime, but Charles is just so beautiful in that fight! He was so controlled and catlike in his moves.

[sweet_scientist]

sweet_scientist

I have been into Phliosophy for a while now with Nietzsche, Schopenhauer and Plato giving my the most insight.

Like your avatar:thumbsup


Good stuff Gesta, I've been reading a good deal of Nietzsche and Plato myself of late, fascinating thinkers. Haven't got into Schopenhauer much, but I would like to one day, given that his thinking was quite formative for young Nietzsche.

Good to hear another friend of wisdom out there:good

[GPater11093]

i do history at school and like that

i like learning about the wars and the bravery people go through and also the lighter stuff like improvements in life as its amazing how far we have come

but people intrest me how everyone is different, has their own views and thoughts

[eborted_l]

Speaking of Ezzard Charles, he's one of my favorite fighters, and if his chin is in debate, let it be said that he fought more times and against more monster fighters than anyone does today. My favorite fight of his to watch is the Louis fight. I know Louis was past his prime, but Charles is just so beautiful in that fight! He was so controlled and catlike in his moves.

I'll have a gander as soon as i can. Are there any books on Charles does anyone know? Couldn't find any online last night

[sam1222]

Cool! Are you in Liverpool? There are plenty of these dogs around that area still, aren't there? Fire me a picture when you get a minute.

there are quite a few around liverpool, but more over yorkshire way :good

[Seamus]

I read quite a bit of history (The Great War is my fave topic) and literature, both recent fiction and classic. I also have an abiding interest in the German Shepherd Dog, of which I have one.

[Gesta]

Good stuff Gesta, I've been reading a good deal of Nietzsche and Plato myself of late, fascinating thinkers. Haven't got into Schopenhauer much, but I would like to one day, given that his thinking was quite formative for young Nietzsche.

Good to hear another friend of wisdom out there:good

Thanks for the reply,

All three are basicly looking in to the human condition, but the differance with Nietzsche is that he thinks fuck it, why should I constantly feel bad about it, i'll work my way to conquer my way through things. Where the other two are too benovolent for my liking.

Athens would be cool to visit, i'm from Australia so nothing here is really that old here.

[flamengo]

Thanks for the reply,

All three are basicly looking in to the human condition, but the differance with Nietzsche is that he thinks fuck it, why should I constantly feel bad about it, i'll work my way to conquer my way through things. Where the other two are too benovolent for my liking.

Athens would be cool to visit, i'm from Australia so nothing here is really that old here.

".....nothin here is really that old here"?????

What about Arthur Tunstall... he's been carbon-dated. 2987 years old.

His attitudes towards the amatuer boxing scene in Oz are even older!!!

[Gesta]

nicely put.. Humans dont work like ants. We should learn from them.


:thumbsup

[red cobra]

I read quite a bit of history (The Great War is my fave topic) and literature, both recent fiction and classic. I also have an abiding interest in the German Shepherd Dog, of which I have one.The German Shepard is in a class by itself, as far as dogs are concerned. There's a reason why they're also known as "Police Dogs"...they're intelligent, handsome dogs, and it's gotta make you proud to walk your dog down thw street as that breed is so impressive looking. The condo where I live forbids ownership of pit bulls, Dobermans, Chows and German Shepards(!!!) I understand everything except for the Geran Shepard part..they're more intelligent than those other breeds.

[Gesta]

The German Shepard is in a class by itself, as far as dogs are concerned. There's a reason why they're also known as "Police Dogs"...they're intelligent, handsome dogs, and it's gotta make you proud to walk your dog down thw street as that breed is so impressive looking. The condo where I live forbids ownership of pit bulls, Dobermans, Chows and German Shepards(!!!) I understand everything except for the Geran Shepard part..they're more intelligent than those other breeds.


I think bad dogs come from bad owners. German Shepard's are very quick.

[amhlilhaus]

I like history, economic/business and military, but will read just about anything. I also love biographies of famous people, everything you need to know about being successful can be distilled from reading biographies of people who achieved their dreams.

[la-califa]

I also enjoy history & like to read about how specific parts of Boxing have impacted history in America.
How could Blacks be inferior at the turn of the century, with a man like Jack Johnson. Who was seemingly unbeatable.
Fighters who would rise from the tough streets of the cities around America. to rise up to be the best in the world.
A fighter who was the heart & soul of America to defeat a symbol of NAZI aggression on the eve of a World War.
There are countless simular stories that reflect life & history from the 1800's 'till now.