Hatton: Pac not versatile [Archive] - East Side Boxing Forum

ishy

04-21-2009, 06:16 PM

Ricky Hatton has labelled Manny Pacquiao one-dimensional ahead of their light-welterweight super-fight in Las Vegas on 2 May.

Hatton said: "Manny fights the same way all the time. He's effective at what he does but he's not a versatile fighter.

"He's never met a man as fiery, ferocious or rough as me, and certainly not as big and strong.

"I don't think Manny is the most elusive. He comes very square-on and he's there to be hit."

Hatton added that Pacquiao's demolition of Oscar de la Hoya in his debut at 147lb last December did not prove the former flyweight was capable of holding his own.

"If he [Pacquiao] gets hit he's going to get hit by the biggest man he's ever faced," said the 30-year-old Hatton, who has been beaten just once in 46 fights.

"I don't think Manny has fought at this weight before. With respect to Oscar, he was fighting a punching bag that night."

Hatton is putting the finishing touches to his first full camp with new trainer Floyd Mayweather Sr, who masterminded Hatton's win over Paulie Malignaggi last November.

And he maintains he is now a far better fighter than the one who was knocked out in 10 rounds by Mayweather's son, Floyd Jr, in December 2007.

"I think the Mayweather fight really changed my career," said Hatton. "I had too many fights where there was no real thought in the way I was fighting and that culminated in my defeat to Floyd [Jr].

"I said to myself, 'come on Ricky, you've always had the ability, you just aren't using it any more'.

"That's why I went to work with Floyd [Sr]. And I think you've already seen the difference."

Filipino superstar Pacquiao, a former world champion at four different weights, is odds-on favourite with the bookmakers to prevail at the MGM Grand Casino.

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Let the hating commence :smoke

nulty

04-21-2009, 06:22 PM

Ricky is right.

Pac is a little one dimensional. The question is can Hatton stop him?

Roach said the old style Ricky would have a better chance than the new Ricky and he's right. If Ricky tries to throw more jabs and use his "new found speed" he'll find himself out speeded, out jabbed and out thought.

A come forwarded "I'll take three punches to land one hook" type Ricky would have a better chance.

Pac TKO9 Hatton. Unless Hatton decides early on to go hell for leather.

TFFP

04-21-2009, 06:26 PM

As opposed to Hatton, the slick counterpuncher.

ishy

04-21-2009, 06:27 PM

As opposed to Hatton, the slick counterpuncher.

I was expecting a comment like this :lol:

GazOC

04-21-2009, 07:12 PM

Pacs more vesatile than Hatton but he's not this reincarnation of Willie Pep, Henry Armstrong and Godzilla that some people are making out on the back of Diaz and Oscar.

JIM KELLY

04-21-2009, 07:13 PM

Hatton will turn rugged after a few rounds.

Grievesy

04-21-2009, 07:56 PM

Hatton will revert back too his usual self anyway if he starts trying to box, as Manny will tear him to shreds. Then Hatton would have to get in close start grinding away to the body etc.

I suspect he has learnt some new tricks instead of changing his style, it's too late for that. Hopefully some defence.

GazOC

04-21-2009, 07:59 PM

I hope Hatton hasn't changed too much. His way to win this fight is by physical strenght and keeping it on the inside, using the jab a little more to get inside is all I'd like to see from him for this fight.

LHL

04-21-2009, 08:09 PM

Pac can change he has proven that. After a few rounds in the malinaggi fight hatton went back to his old ways

GazOC

04-21-2009, 08:13 PM

Pac can change he has proven that. After a few rounds in the malinaggi fight hatton went back to his old ways

But thats all he had to do to win the fight. Why stand off and give Paulie breathing space?

I've never bought into the idea that Hatton needs to make wholesale changes to his style, just little tweaks.

LHL

04-21-2009, 08:19 PM

Really if Hatoon fought without holding he could have killed mal.

I think hatton is going to take more on board than any fight to beat a very good southpaw.

I like Hatton but really having trouble with magee and urango and then having to fight pac is very different

GazOC

04-21-2009, 08:37 PM

I'm not sure the Urango fight is a good pointer but I agree the Magee fight doesn't bode well for Hatton.

I'm glad he's got Floyd and is working with decent southpaws like Lara ahead of the fight.

LHL

04-21-2009, 08:48 PM

I'm not sure the Urango fight is a good pointer but I agree the Magee fight doesn't bode well for Hatton.

I'm glad he's got Floyd and is working with decent southpaws like Lara ahead of the fight.

I see there are working on a good straight right in 24/7 so mayweather knows
what hatton needs to beat him

Beeston Brawler

04-22-2009, 04:30 AM

It was Malignaggi doing most of the spoiling in that fight IMO

Darni187

04-22-2009, 04:52 AM

I think Hatton is going to shock the world and stop Pacman, Mayweather Sr is fine tuning Hatton into a machine with some better good head movement and faster hand speed.

mbrockett

04-22-2009, 05:28 AM

Mayweather Sr is fine tuning Hatton into a machine with some better good head movement and faster hand speed.

damn that mayweather is a good trainer! :patsch

Darni187

04-22-2009, 05:46 AM

damn that mayweather is a good trainer! :patsch

Hatton looks faster to me on them pads, so you are telling me if a trainer like Mayweather sr who believes in speed, works on it with Hatton and tries to improve his handspeed, there will be no slight improvement?

mbrockett

04-22-2009, 05:49 AM

Hatton looks faster to me on them pads, so you are telling me if a trainer like Mayweather sr who believes in speed, works on it with Hatton and tries to improve his handspeed, there will be no slight improvement?

nothing tangible. and certainly nothing that you could have seen from a couple of clips on youtube.

ron u.k.

04-22-2009, 05:52 AM

Darni187

04-22-2009, 05:57 AM

nothing tangible. and certainly nothing that you could have seen from a couple of clips on youtube.

Well in my view he looks a bit sharper and faster to me, but I guess we see on fight night. Even small changes can have a big impact on fight night.

mbrockett

04-22-2009, 06:00 AM

I think the whole fight depends on if Hatton can instigate enough exchanges on the inside.If he can manage to achieve that then i can't see any reason why he can't stop Manny.If the fight is fought at distance then i honestly think Hatton gets ripped to shreds.

i agree, and ive actually got hatton to win this. you can get almost 4-1 from betfair for it too.
pac will not have experienced anything like hattons mauling style whereas hatton should be more than used to power over and above pac's. like you say, its just a case of whether hatton can pin pac down enough to get in there. but if mayweather is trying to turn him into a machine that can out-jab from the outside then its game over because even if you have the best shammy in the world you still can't polish a poo.

zulander

04-22-2009, 06:05 AM

I wish hed keep his mouth shut sometimes. Hatton has 1 way of fighting and thats it really bar the odd rare instance hes no Calzaghe or Hopkins

BUT for me if Hatton can handle the southpaw stance negate Mannys speed, with good movement and getting up close hatton can certainly win this

achillesthegreat

04-22-2009, 06:35 AM

Total and utter bollocks. I disagree with almost everything Ricky says. Pac throws all sorts of punches and has speed and power in all of them. Pac boxe DLH beautifully and we already know he can brawl like fuck. Hattons talking out of his arse.

Lee Mc

04-22-2009, 07:10 AM

Pacman is nowehere near as good as his devotees make out. He is beatable and has a very suspect defence. Because Hatton will hit Pacman harder than than anyone ever has before and he is the first live opponent Pac has faced in a while I see this as a 50/50fight.

However, Hatton question how versatile Pac is is riddiculous. He should take a look at his own style... Yes there was some obvious improvement in the Mallignaggi fight but the way some of Hatton's devotees go on you think he was better than Leonard :?

threethirteen

04-22-2009, 07:17 AM

he is the first live opponent Pac has faced in a while I see this as a 50/50fight

yes, that Juan Manuel Marquez rematch only three fights ago. God, he's not up to much is he? Haven't seen him beat a lineal title holder and the no/2 competitor in his division by KO recently, have we?

And that De La Hoya who was two divisions above him? Yeah, he had no chance. That's what everyone was saying going in.

Lee Mc

04-22-2009, 07:21 AM

yes, that Juan Manuel Marquez rematch only three fights ago. God, he's not up to much is he? Haven't seen him beat a lineal title holder and the no/2 competitor in his division by KO recently, have we?

And that De La Hoya who was two divisions above him? Yeah, he had no chance. That's what everyone was saying going in.

OK I worded that wrong but De La Hoya was shot. So shot that even someone like Amir Khan moving up two weight divisions would have destroyed him that night...

icemax

04-22-2009, 07:26 AM

....and we already know he can brawl like fuck.

"Brawl like fuck"...do me a favour. The first sign of things getting rough and Pacman will jump so far back that he'll be in the cheapseats.

threethirteen

04-22-2009, 07:28 AM

Then Little Ricky will storm forwards and get clocked by a straight leg. And his legs will desert him. Maybe he can lean on the ring post like last time?

icemax

04-22-2009, 07:29 AM

OK I worded that wrong but De La Hoya was shot. So shot that even someone like Amir Khan moving up two weight divisions would have destroyed him that night...

:thumbsup

And you could argue that he actually got a gimme over Marquez.

Pacs career over the past four fights has been a bit smoke and mirrors,and will certainly not have prepared him for anyone like Hatton

TFFP

04-22-2009, 07:35 AM

What would you suggest Hatton's last 4 fights are? Hardly blown away looking at them...

threethirteen

04-22-2009, 07:36 AM

And you could argue that he actually got a gimme over Marquez.

Pacs career over the past four fights has been a bit smoke and mirrors,and will certainly not have prepared him for anyone like Hatton

It was a very close fight with JMM. I thought he lost, but his speed, mobility and explosiveness gave Marquez trouble all the way. It was an excellent fight by two very evenly matched guys and there was maybe a round in it by the end. Marquez paid dearly for that KD.

But JMM is not the same question as Hatton and, while I see the fight being rough for the first 4-5 rounds, I think Manny's sharper punching and movement will give him the openings to break Ricky down.

threethirteen

04-22-2009, 07:37 AM

What would you suggest Hatton's last 4 fights are? Hardly blown away looking at them...

And that's the other point... but I didn't want to start it in case the pro-Hatton crying gets going again.

icemax

04-22-2009, 07:41 AM

What would you suggest Hatton's last 4 fights are? Hardly blown away looking at them...

Never said they were anything spectacular, but Pacs last 4 fights are what have made him concensus P4P#1, and to be honest its fraudulent.

threethirteen

04-22-2009, 07:43 AM

Mayweather retiring made Pac no.1. truthfully, I think JMM deserves it for his last two wins. I was gutted that Diaz lost to Juan, but it was great to see such a stunnign turnaround.

TFFP

04-22-2009, 07:44 AM

Lee Mc

04-22-2009, 07:53 AM

You know I find it hilarious y'all completely write off Pac's win against Hoya. I told you guys Pacquiao would beat him. All I heard from people in here is that Hoya is way too big, I'm in a dreamworld.

Suddenly now, he gets no credit whatsoever and Malignaggi would have beat him that night!? :shock:

Pacquiao was brilliant, made him look even worse than he was.

Theres nothing revisionist about it at all. If Roach even admits that Pac would have lost to a "live" De La Hoya, as he does, there is nothing we can do but write it off as a shot fighter taken a bad beating.

Pacman does get credit for the victory but theres no way thatit ranks amongst the greatest wins of all time or, for that matter, amongst the best 3 wins of Pacman's career.

TFFP

04-22-2009, 07:57 AM

Lee Mc

04-22-2009, 08:00 AM

It's the definition of revisionist.

I made a thread documenting why Pac would win. Nobody believed me. Every fucker picked Hoya. We've gone from that to people talking about a "corpse" of Hoya, giving Pacquiao no respect at all for his performance and claiming anybody would have beaten him. I'm surprised people have no shame.

But, in their defence, their opinions were based on De La Hoya being on the decline and not shot. De La Hoya picked that fight because even if he was at just 20% of his best he would have beaten Pacquiao.

By the way, you should be proud of your prediction. A Pacman win WAS unlikely before we knew how bad De La Hoya was and you picked him to win. Though I think you might be a bit annoyed that your prediction, as good as it was, came true because of De La Hoya and not Pacman.

TFFP

04-22-2009, 08:06 AM

But, in their defence, their opinions were based on De La Hoya being on the decline and not shot. De La Hoya picked that fight because even if he was at just 20% of his best he would have beaten Pacquiao.

By the way, you should be proud of your prediction. A Pacman win WAS unlikely before we knew how bad De La Hoya was and you picked him to win. Though I think you might be a bit annoyed that your prediction, as good as it was, came true because of De La Hoya and not Pacman.
I find it hard to have sympathy with their defence when the reasons for Hoya's sudden decline were the exact reasons they picked against Pacquiao. They picked against him because he's a prime super feather against a welterweight. Logical of course, but they ignored the fact De La Hoya hadn't made the 147lb limit in years.

They also ignore the fact Pacquiao's performance made De La Hoya look hopeless. He was bad, but nobody other than Pacquiao would have made it look that bad. Pacquiao was too quick, his in and out movement is better than anybody elses, stopping Hoya getting off.

Anybody deserves credit when they win as a big underdog. IMO. Pacquiao does not get it.

GazOC

04-22-2009, 08:17 AM

By the way, you should be proud of your prediction.

He IS proud of it, can't you tell? He's been banging on about it for the last 4 months, apparently its the only time in living memory that someone has picked the underdog and been right....;)

TFFP

04-22-2009, 08:21 AM

Sorry Gaz, who did you pick? :p

GazOC

04-22-2009, 08:29 AM

Sorry Gaz, who did you pick? :p

Yep, I had Oscar:roll:. I do give Pac credit for taking the fight and putting in a solid performance to beat the fighter put in front of him but thats all. The Oscar and Diaz fights have not really shown much of what Pac is capable of above 135.

I'm not one of these people saying Pac can't win, he's a great fighter who's passed the 2 tests put in front of him above 130lbs, but I think to beat Hatton he'll have to show a damn sight more than he's had to show to win his last 2 fights. Maybe has it in the tank and maybe he doesn't, we'll see on May 2nd.

TFFP

04-22-2009, 08:33 AM

He'll have to show a damn sight more in your opinion.

So if he performs as he did against Oscar, that won't be enough?

Beeston Brawler

04-22-2009, 08:39 AM

I'm with Gaz on this one.

I picked DLH to win based on all sorts of things - I weighed up the fact that Pac hadn't beaten a good opponent above 130 and the fact that DLH, whilst not at his best against Forbes, got the job done fairly well at 150lbs.

I decided that was more relevant than Pac not having to cut the extra weight which could be said to have affected him in his previous contests, and that DLH was 7 months older... having to cut extra weight etc.... and was way off the mark.

I still haven't picked the winner of this yet.... but Pac certainly isn't going to be getting it all his own way - Diaz had said the speed bothered him more than the power which bodes better for Hatton.... who is much quicker than Diaz..... whilst DLH was just awful.

Give me until May 1 to pick!

GazOC

04-22-2009, 08:43 AM

He'll have to show a damn sight more in your opinion.

So if he performs as he did against Oscar, that won't be enough?

If he's expecting to spend the fight out of range and potshotting a stationary opponent who can't get his own punches off and he's not willing deviate from that tactic then yes, he'll lose. He IS a some point going to have to mix it up with Hatton and fight (or smother) on the inside and against the ropes, he had to do neither against Oscar.

He was never taken out of his comfort zone against Oscar so didn't have to do anything else in order to win the fight. I think he'll have to dig a lot deeper to beat Hatton.

toffeejack

04-22-2009, 08:51 AM

He's right about the De la Hoya fight though.

As good as Pacquiao looked that fight really flattered him. Hatton is right in saying that he will be by far the biggest physical test that Pacquiao has had.

TFFP

04-22-2009, 08:59 AM

If he's expecting to spend the fight out of range and potshotting a stationary opponent who can't get his own punches off and he's not willing deviate from that tactic then yes, he'll lose. He IS a some point going to have to mix it up with Hatton and fight (or smother) on the inside and against the ropes, he had to do neither against Oscar.

He was never taken out of his comfort zone against Oscar so didn't have to do anything else in order to win the fight. I think he'll have to dig a lot deeper to beat Hatton.
Get off of that fence you are gonna hurt yourself :smoke

If Pacquiao fights as he did against De La Hoya, no more no less, does he win?

GazOC

04-22-2009, 09:04 AM

Get off of that fence you are gonna hurt yourself :smoke

If Pacquiao fights as he did against De La Hoya, no more no less, does he win?

I've given you a perfectly reasonable answer, I can't answer any more specifically as the styles will make this a completely different type of fight.

Pac won't be able to fight Hatton like he did Oscar, the question is whether he has more in the locker and can adjust.

Anyhoo, 2-10 beckons.:tired

TFFP

04-22-2009, 09:17 AM

I've given you a perfectly reasonable answer, I can't answer any more specifically as the styles will make this a completely different type of fight.

Pac won't be able to fight Hatton like he did Oscar, the question is whether he has more in the locker and can adjust.

Anyhoo, 2-10 beckons.:tired
But Pac is not versatile. :yep

threethirteen

04-22-2009, 09:22 AM

It's not like Hatton's the sort of fighter who makes adjustments. He just bores on in, which usually works.

SouthpawSlayer

04-22-2009, 01:51 PM

one dimensional that is rich coming from sir hit and grab himself

GazOC

04-22-2009, 01:52 PM

But Pac is not versatile. :yep

Are you holding me responsible for Hattons opinions now?;)

onourway

04-22-2009, 01:58 PM

one dimensional that is rich coming from sir hit and grab himself

Hatton saying Pac is one dimensional doesn't then mean that Hatton's saying he's not one dimensional himself, just think he's pointing out that Pac is overrated.

widdy

04-22-2009, 02:47 PM

hatton has been one dimensional in his most recent fights,but in his fights from kosta and before,he movement was 2nd to none,he cut off,turned oppornents,hooked to the body then switching to head ect ect,bloody good in my IMO,and prob all boxing pundits of that time,if he can revert to that,he will pummel pac,but can he do it?
watching the 24/7 u watch hatton on the pads,head moving and switching from head to body,body to head,if you have ever been on the pads or sparred you will know how hard this is,and he looked real fast,not just power shots like billy used to do.

im going hatton to stop him

achillesthegreat

04-22-2009, 03:48 PM

It can be twisted anyway you like. People say Pacs win over Diaz and DLH are questionable BUT how about we flip it and point out that versus a champ and all time great Pac didn't lose a round!

achillesthegreat

04-22-2009, 03:49 PM

"Brawl like fuck"...do me a favour. The first sign of things getting rough and Pacman will jump so far back that he'll be in the cheapseats.

I don't know why you say what you do. What I've said is fact. Pac can brawl like fuck... and on an elite level!

nulty

04-22-2009, 05:13 PM

OK I worded that wrong but De La Hoya was shot. So shot that even someone like Amir Khan moving up two weight divisions would have destroyed him that night...

Would he bollocks. The hooks hoya threw late on whilst on the ropes in desperation would have had Amir on his toes.

People make out like Oscar didn't land a punch. He did but manny was so quick in and out that he took a weight drained Oscars heart.

Amir wouldn't have been in and out as fast. And one or two shots would have made him think twice.

Not saying Amir wouldn't have won, but he wouldn't have "destroyed Hoya"

icemax

04-22-2009, 06:08 PM

What I've said is fact.

Is it fuck fact...Pac isn't, and never has been a brawler, like fuck or otherwise

trotter

04-22-2009, 06:12 PM

Manny isn't one dimensional, the fighter thoroughly outfoxed by Morales is a totally different fighter to the thinking boxer who thrashed Oscar from the outside

achillesthegreat

04-22-2009, 06:31 PM

Is it fuck fact...Pac isn't, and never has been a brawler, like fuck or otherwise

I never said he is a brawler. We are talking about versatility and Pac has proven against elite fighters he can have a right good tear up. Pacs a boxer a puncher, he has versatility. Sometimes he doesn't fight as smart as he should and he's got a few technical flaws but he's not a limited fighter. That's cheap coming from Hatton. Hatton isn't limited but he's shown less versatility than Pac.