View Full Version : GREATEST PUNCHERS OF THE LAST 10 years
TIGEREDGE
08-26-2007, 03:00 PM
I would say kostya tszyu was the greatest puncher of the last ten years. he truly had great one punch ko power. few fighters recovered from a shot by him. Look at the ko of zab judah and sharmba mitchell
Manny pac must be given great credit for carrying his power up all those weights and knocking out morales and barerra. that is a great achievement.
TITO trinidad was not ELITE ATG puncher in my view. he just fell short. look at the vargas, reid, joppy fights. he hurt them many times but couldn't finish them. tito could punch but not in the same league as a jackson, foster or archie moore
I think de la hoya was the bigger puncher.VARGAS never recovered from the first lethal shot he took from him. HE did when he got floored by TITO
As spectacular as some of his ko's were, naz never ko'd an elite fighter so he can't be considered a great puncher.
Shake
08-26-2007, 03:01 PM
I DON'T KNOW MAN COULD BE anyone
bumdujour
08-26-2007, 03:02 PM
ricardo lopez.
Stewbear
08-26-2007, 03:45 PM
Oscar is not a bigger puncher than Tito, quite the opposite in fact.
Snorkel
08-26-2007, 03:54 PM
I would say kostya tszyu was the greatest puncher of the last ten years. he truly had great one punch ko power. few fighters recovered from a shot by him. Look at the ko of zab judah and sharmba mitchell
Manny pac must be given great credit for carrying his power up all those weights and knocking out morales and barerra. that is a great achievement.
TITO trinidad was not ELITE ATG puncher in my view. he just fell short. look at the vargas, reid, joppy fights. he hurt them many times but couldn't finish them. tito could punch but not in the same league as a jackson, foster or archie moore
I think de la hoya was the bigger puncher.VARGAS never recovered from the first lethal shot he took from him. HE did when he got floored by TITO
As spectacular as some of his ko's were, naz never ko'd an elite fighter so he can't be considered a great puncher.
You claim Tszyu was a great puncher because of his KO wins over Judah and Mitchell and give Pac credit for carrying his power up in weight with him yet don't give Naz credit when he KO'd similar levels of oppponents to Kostya and did so at weights higher than his natural one. That's a double standard if ever I saw one.
In my books, Tszyu and Naz were great punchers. Pac has good power but it's his speed and flurries that make him so dangerous.
box03
08-26-2007, 04:36 PM
david tua the man has a sledge hammer hook just ask moorer and ruiz talk about power
you rank hoya over tito as far as punching goes?
Do you forget round 8 of BAD BLOOD.
oscar was throwing, and landing everything but the kitchen sink on feroz.... to no avail,
if trinidad landed half those shots on nando that hoya did in round 8 it would have looked like round 12 all over again.
not to mention tito gets to their chins first... hoya usually gets the chins when they already have miles put on them drastically, there is no arguing that.
thewoo
08-26-2007, 04:42 PM
In no particular order
Felix Trinidad (left hook)
Lennox Lewis (straight right)
Naseem Hamed (just about anything)
Kostya Tzyu (straight right)
Rafael Marquez (straight right)
Israel Vasquez (let hook)
Diego corrales (left hook)
Oscar Delahoya (left hook)
David Tua (left hook)
I'm sure I've left some guys out here
Mind Reader
08-26-2007, 04:45 PM
Hamed is who im thinking.
J_Roth
08-26-2007, 04:50 PM
There are so many awesome punchers. Wlad has a hell of a straight right and left hook. I think Tito had more power than DLH. LL had a awesome Right as well.
ChampionsForever
08-26-2007, 04:50 PM
In no particular order
Felix Trinidad (left hook)
Lennox Lewis (straight right)
Naseem Hamed (just about anything)
Kostya Tzyu (straight right)
Rafael Marquez (straight right)
Israel Vasquez (let hook)
Diego corrales (left hook)
Oscar Delahoya (left hook)
David Tua (left hook)
I'm sure I've left some guys out here
Good list
Rock0052
08-26-2007, 04:51 PM
In no particular order
Felix Trinidad (left hook)
Lennox Lewis (straight right)
Naseem Hamed (just about anything)
Kostya Tzyu (straight right)
Rafael Marquez (straight right)
Israel Vasquez (let hook)
Diego corrales (left hook)
Oscar Delahoya (left hook)
David Tua (left hook)
I'm sure I've left some guys out here
Good list- there's alot of guys who could fit the bill, there's no way I could put together a list of great punchers with less than 10 names. I'll add Cintron and Wlad to your list. Pavlik's a hell of a puncher, too.
Executioner
08-26-2007, 04:51 PM
you're an idiot if you think Oscar hit harder than Tito. But then again, you also don't think Hamed was a great puncher.
thewoo
08-26-2007, 05:19 PM
Good list- there's alot of guys who could fit the bill, there's no way I could put together a list of great punchers with less than 10 names. I'll add Cintron and Wlad to your list. Pavlik's a hell of a puncher, too.
I think it's a little premature to add pavlik in against guys with proven records but who knows. He just might get there.
As far as the DLH vs trinidad debate that seems to be going on here I'll add my 2 cents. Trinidad was a harder puncher, DLH was a better puncher. Tito had to set his feet and pretty much had a one dimensional (although extremly good) left hook. DLH could launch his from just about any angle moving forward or backward and on the tips of his toes or on his heals.
Rock0052
08-26-2007, 05:24 PM
I think it's a little premature to add pavlik in against guys with proven records but who knows. He just might get there.
I'm waiting to see how he handles Taylor. Wlad and Cintron are my official additions, Pavlik's on the "watch list".
JAYHAWK
08-26-2007, 05:27 PM
It's been two years since he was killed and I think a lot of fans forget the tremendous raw punching power of Julian Letterlough. He was definitely one of the greatest punchers in the last 10 years.
Fab2333
08-26-2007, 05:34 PM
Roy Jones should b on the list. He had amazing power at 160, 168 and even 175. He carried it up with him increasin in weight. He should b on the list as well
thewoo
08-26-2007, 05:40 PM
Roy Jones should b on the list. He had amazing power at 160, 168 and even 175. He carried it up with him increasin in weight. He should b on the list as well
Good point. The thing about Jones is that he had so many other amazing attributes that they overshadowed his punching power but he was one hell of a puncher.
I remember in his fight with John Ruiz at the end of one of the rounds he landed a right hand that brokes John's nose an wobbled him. I think had the bell not rang there Roy wold have been able to throw a combo and put him down
Napoleon
08-26-2007, 05:42 PM
Naseem # 1
I agree
Naseem # 1 most overrated boxer of all time.
Good point. The thing about Jones is that he had so many other amazing attributes that they overshadowed his punching power but he was one hell of a puncher.
I remember in his fight with John Ruiz at the end of one of the rounds he landed a right hand that brokes John's nose an wobbled him. I think had the bell not rang there Roy wold have been able to throw a combo and put him down i think it was like the 4th round... it was an amzing punch,
Action
08-26-2007, 06:56 PM
If you were to say the fastest sprinter, the strongest man, the most prolific hot dog eater you wouldn't break it down by weight classes or division.....so using this thinking in boxing if you threw all of the boxers on the various lists into a tournament of greatest punchers David Tua would be left standing. He is the single greatest puncher of the last 10 years.
TIGEREDGE
08-26-2007, 07:05 PM
You claim Tszyu was a great puncher because of his KO wins over Judah and Mitchell and give Pac credit for carrying his power up in weight with him yet don't give Naz credit when he KO'd similar levels of oppponents to Kostya and did so at weights higher than his natural one. That's a double standard if ever I saw one.
In my books, Tszyu and Naz were great punchers. Pac has good power but it's his speed and flurries that make him so dangerous.
TSZYU IS THE ONLY MAN TO STOP JC CHAVEZ PROPERLY. he also stopped iron chinne miguel angel gonzales who was a really tough fighter. he took some great blows from oscar but went the distance
NASEEM never beat anyone of judahs calibre. Judah was sensational until tszyu flattened him. most people fancied him to beat tszyu
TIGEREDGE
08-26-2007, 07:14 PM
If you were to say the fastest sprinter, the strongest man, the most prolific hot dog eater you wouldn't break it down by weight classes or division.....so using this thinking in boxing if you threw all of the boxers on the various lists into a tournament of greatest punchers David Tua would be left standing. He is the single greatest puncher of the last 10 years.
tua is up there definitely
TIGEREDGE
08-26-2007, 07:24 PM
you're an idiot if you think Oscar hit harder than Tito. But then again, you also don't think Hamed was a great puncher.
that is an exageration isn't mate. oscar ko'd mayorga earlier than tito and he wasn't giving him weight. he took out oba carr with one punch (unlike tito)
You could easily put a case for tito being the stronger puncher. its just my opinion
Look at their record mate:
Oscar won 38 (KO 30)
TITO won 42 (KO 35)
I know tito has more ko's but not by much . TITO had more power in his hand right hand but BEST PUNCH V BEST PUNCH, I THINK OSCAR's left is more powerful thank tito's best punch
TIGEREDGE
08-26-2007, 07:29 PM
you rank hoya over tito as far as punching goes?
Do you forget round 8 of BAD BLOOD.
oscar was throwing, and landing everything but the kitchen sink on feroz.... to no avail,
if trinidad landed half those shots on nando that hoya did in round 8 it would have looked like round 12 all over again.
not to mention tito gets to their chins first... hoya usually gets the chins when they already have miles put on them drastically, there is no arguing that.
here is a link to that round. i don't see oscar hitting him with everything. he's only hitting vargas with his not so powerful right hand
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thewoo
08-26-2007, 07:51 PM
If you were to say the fastest sprinter, the strongest man, the most prolific hot dog eater you wouldn't break it down by weight classes or division.....so using this thinking in boxing if you threw all of the boxers on the various lists into a tournament of greatest punchers David Tua would be left standing. He is the single greatest puncher of the last 10 years.
Even using you non p4p logic I wouldn't rate Tua as # 1. I would rate lnnox above him. His right was as powerfull as Tua's left but way more versatile
Snorkel
08-26-2007, 08:07 PM
TSZYU IS THE ONLY MAN TO STOP JC CHAVEZ PROPERLY. he also stopped iron chinne miguel angel gonzales who was a really tough fighter. he took some great blows from oscar but went the distance
NASEEM never beat anyone of judahs calibre. Judah was sensational until tszyu flattened him. most people fancied him to beat tszyu
If you read my post you'd see I agreed that Tszyu was one of the great punchers of the past 10 years.
Anyway, the Chavez that Tszyu stopped was a shell of his former self having already been stopped twice before Kostya got to him. Zab Judah on the other hand was a good win but as he's since proved, his chin isn't fantastic. To claim Judah was a much better win than some of the proven champs on Hamed's resume is to do them a major disservice.
You also failed to explain a point I made in my previous post. You give Pac credit for carrying his power up in weight with him yet refuse to do the same for Naz. Care to explain, or is it just hatred?
the_what
08-26-2007, 08:08 PM
Felix Trinidad
Diego Corrales
Lamon Brewster
Illmatic
08-26-2007, 08:10 PM
Naseem Hamed is the greatest punches of the last ten years, second is Felix Trinidad.
Julian Jackson by far. Although he is boderline on not being inside the past ten years, he was still an active fighter at the time so I included him.
Morrissey
08-26-2007, 09:50 PM
We should consider the quality of opposition that they have actually KOd. Because that would determine if it is a world-class power or not. And last ten years? So that would mean from 1997 up to now.
With that, here is my list.
Tito Trinidad
Naseem Hamed
Chico Corrales
Manny Pacquaio
Rafael Marquez
All of their big wins are through KOs or TKOs. And the quality of their oppostion is one of the best IMO.
Vantage_West
08-26-2007, 10:09 PM
Naseem # 1he got it right...ok people wrap it up it's over he got the right answer:hat
what you still readin fuk of i said
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thats it im calling them.(pick up phone dials number)........just gettin through:good just wait.....hello:reggie<yea wat you want bruv
:rasta <im getting pestered by posters
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puga_ni_nana
08-26-2007, 10:12 PM
he got it right...ok people wrap it up it's over he got the right answer:hat
what you still readin fuk of i said
dont make me call the police...now comon stop readin
thats it im calling them.(pick up phone dials number)........just gettin through:good just wait.....hello:reggie<yea wat you want bruv
:rasta <im getting pestered by posters
:reggie <poster hey! batstards they are
:rasta <like totally well can you come over to the greatest puncher of the last 10 years thread and close it down
:reggie<.........................no
:rasta <cool speak to ya later bless
:reggie<bless mon
lol :lol:
stillafan
08-26-2007, 10:13 PM
NAZ...P4P, the dude hit like a truck!
TIGEREDGE
08-27-2007, 06:56 PM
If you read my post you'd see I agreed that Tszyu was one of the great punchers of the past 10 years.
Anyway, the Chavez that Tszyu stopped was a shell of his former self having already been stopped twice before Kostya got to him. Zab Judah on the other hand was a good win but as he's since proved, his chin isn't fantastic. To claim Judah was a much better win than some of the proven champs on Hamed's resume is to do them a major disservice.
You also failed to explain a point I made in my previous post. You give Pac credit for carrying his power up in weight with him yet refuse to do the same for Naz. Care to explain, or is it just hatred?
naz only went from bantam to featherweight. he never jumped the divisions PAC jumped
Caper
08-27-2007, 07:39 PM
I would say kostya tszyu was the greatest puncher of the last ten years. he truly had great one punch ko power. few fighters recovered from a shot by him. Look at the ko of zab judah and sharmba mitchell
Manny pac must be given great credit for carrying his power up all those weights and knocking out morales and barerra. that is a great achievement.
TITO trinidad was not ELITE ATG puncher in my view. he just fell short. look at the vargas, reid, joppy fights. he hurt them many times but couldn't finish them. tito could punch but not in the same league as a jackson, foster or archie moore
I think de la hoya was the bigger puncher.VARGAS never recovered from the first lethal shot he took from him. HE did when he got floored by TITO
As spectacular as some of his ko's were, naz never ko'd an elite fighter so he can't be considered a great puncher.
:shock: :patsch :patsch :patsch :shock:
The fun here never stops.....I'm bookmarking this post in my "Crazy ESB posts" folder.:yep
TIGEREDGE
08-27-2007, 07:43 PM
:shock: :patsch :patsch :patsch :shock:
The fun here never stops.....I'm bookmarking this post in my "Crazy ESB posts" folder.:yep
why whats so crazy about my opinions
why whats so crazy about my opinions
I don't think its that crazy. Oscar was a great puncher, especially off the left hook. Maybe Tito was slightly better, but some people here are making out like he is feather fisted.
DanePugilist
08-27-2007, 08:42 PM
Cant believe that Tyson isn't being mentioned.
Concerning Tszyu, he hit hard, but it was more his pinpoint accuracy than raw power that felled his victims, but then again, everything counts when being a great puncher I guess.
jecxbox
08-27-2007, 09:10 PM
Felix Trinidad has to be minimum top 2 or 3 of the past decade. And yes he had a lot more power than DLH..DLH could obviously put his punches together better but as far at 1 punch power goes it definitely goes to Trinidad. The only reason he didn't dispatch of Reid and Vargas in 1-2 rounds was because Tito was ripping hooks to their gloves/arms/shoulders..anything he wanted to..
BUT Once those punches landed it was over for them fools. Same goes for everyone Tito Ko'd
jecxbox
08-27-2007, 09:12 PM
I know Naz had great power but the guy didn't face much world class opposition..Trinidad fought so many more better caliber fighters than Naz..You could put 500 B level fighters in front of Trinidad and he'd knock them out no problem as well.
Caper
08-27-2007, 10:58 PM
I don't think its that crazy. Oscar was a great puncher, especially off the left hook. Maybe Tito was slightly better, but some people here are making out like he is feather fisted.
No.....DLH is not feather fisted but he did not contain more punching power that Tito.
Ok, lets not even mention what has been done in the ring, Tito was just a naturally stronger puncher. I am aware good technique and speed can add great amounts to the effect of a punch but Tito had both great technique and underrated speed with his punches. Not that it would sway you or TIGER more but I've met both men and Tito has pretty massive hands and large thighs, DLH has smaller thighs and much smaller hands. No I was not checking them out I was at weigh ins.:good
Caper
08-27-2007, 11:00 PM
why whats so crazy about my opinions
I guess you are right, you are entitled to your crazy opinions, we all are and that's why we post on these boards. I just think your completely wrong in your observation. :yep
Toopretty
08-27-2007, 11:07 PM
ODH and Tito had about the same power in there left hook. The thing is that ODH could get it off from anywhere anytime in a fight. Tito had a better right hand. ODH showed more power with Mayorga but you can argue that it was after Tito was through with him. So if you want to generalize a puncher from accuracy, power, and knockouts of high level competition. ODH/Tito/Pac/Raf Marquez for sure/Cotto/Wlad/You could put Tsyu but he is overrated as all hell.
thewoo
08-27-2007, 11:08 PM
No.....DLH is not feather fisted but he did not contain more punching power that Tito.
Ok, lets not even mention what has been done in the ring, Tito was just a naturally stronger puncher. I am aware good technique and speed can add great amounts to the effect of a punch but Tito had both great technique and underrated speed with his punches. Not that it would sway you or TIGER more but I've met both men and Tito has pretty massive hands and large thighs, DLH has smaller thighs and much smaller hands. No I was not checking them out I was at weigh ins.:good
I think you would see the difference just looking at the 2 fight. When Tito connected on a guy it didn't matter where he touched them Whether it was the chin, the body, arms. It didn't matter. You could see in the opponents face that he had just felt somethine unlike anyting he ever felt before. He was definatly a harder puncher.
Illmatic
08-27-2007, 11:11 PM
I know Naz had great power but the guy didn't face much world class opposition..
He fought ten former/current/future world titlists....I would say that's world class opposition, especially when he fought six in a row at one point
Trinidad fought so many more better caliber fighters than Naz..You could put 500 B level fighters in front of Trinidad and he'd knock them out no problem as well.
Yes he did, but to be fair Trinidad's welterweight division was STACKED. DLH, Quartey, Whitaker, Carr.....
Toopretty
08-27-2007, 11:12 PM
I guess you are right, you are entitled to your crazy opinions, we all are and that's why we post on these boards. I just think your completely wrong in your observation. :yep
Tito does not have that much more POWER then ODH..That is ridiculous. He was the more EFFECIENT puncher. TITO threw a perfect left hook high from the shoulder. Its his delivery method along with his power that made him the monster he was. ODH had raw power but didnt turn his punches over like tito did perfectly. Tito was a better puncher, but they had about the same power in the left hand. ODH left hook was quite sloppy most times but he still could put you down or out with it. Like if you look at Mike Tyson..he didnt have more RAW power then every Heavyweight. It seemed that way b/c he threw perfect power punches that were not sloppy and turned them perfectly getting that CLEAN landing that sloppy power punchers like Foreman etc. etc.. could not do.
Caper
08-27-2007, 11:14 PM
ODH and Tito had about the same power in there left hook. The thing is that ODH could get it off from anywhere anytime in a fight. Tito had a better right hand. ODH showed more power with Mayorga but you can argue that it was after Tito was through with him. So if you want to generalize a puncher from accuracy, power, and knockouts of high level competition. ODH/Tito/Pac/Raf Marquez for sure/Cotto/Wlad/You could put Tsyu but he is overrated as all hell.
Yeah all those dudes can crack some are heavier handed than others some used speed and accurracy, others have massive thighs to generate power+velocity and accurracy. Funny enough Tito's knuckles and maybe even his hands are around the same size of Wlad's no joke, Wlad's hands are not that large (in comparison to his height) nor are his brothers. Lennox and Hassim hands where similar to bear mitts.:smoke
Caper
08-27-2007, 11:19 PM
Tito does not have that much more POWER then ODH..That is ridiculous. He was the more EFFECIENT puncher. TITO threw a perfect left hook high from the shoulder. Its his delivery method along with his power that made him the monster he was. ODH had raw power but didnt turn his punches over like tito did perfectly. Tito was a better puncher, but they had about the same power in the left hand. ODH left hook was quite sloppy most times but he still could put you down or out with it. Like if you look at Mike Tyson..he didnt have more RAW power then every Heavyweight. It seemed that way b/c he threw perfect power punches that were not sloppy and turned them perfectly getting that CLEAN landing that sloppy power punchers like Foreman etc. etc.. could not do.
Like I said Shifty some physical traits just play a huge role in punching power. While I agree with your post I still feel Tito had a pretty decent advantage in the power department.
gatorage
08-28-2007, 06:10 AM
Trinidad and Tszyu for mine.
Judah was undefeated and hadn't been ko'ed to that point. Since then he's taken some big hits and shown his chin isn't made of china which shows how big the punch Tszyu hit him with was. Mitchell had not tasted the canvas in eleven years before the Tszyu fight. After it, he was completely broken.
Fighters that come off Trinidad losses just don't look the same. He damages his opponents permanently. Hmm, maybe that's why De La Hoya often picked up the leftovers ?? ;)
Naz destroyed a lot of B grade fighters. He had power for sure but I can't rate him because unlike Tszyu and Trinidad he folded in his first fight against a class opponent and didn't hurt Barrera once. He's got too many question marks against him.
BoppaZoo
08-28-2007, 06:34 AM
if were talking Greatest Punch's
this would be my list in the last Ten Years.
1. Felix Trinidad
2. Naseem Hamed
3. Kostya Tszyu
4. David Tua
5. Manny Pacquiao
6. Wlad Klitschko
7. Lennox Lewis
8. Oscar Dela Hoya
9. Kermit Cintron
10. Miguel Cotto
TIGEREDGE
08-28-2007, 05:04 PM
Like I said Shifty some physical traits just play a huge role in punching power. While I agree with your post I still feel Tito had a pretty decent advantage in the power department.
good statement. I think oscar had the bigger left hand but tito had more power to offer because his right was stronger
some people have said that kostya tszyu was more accurate than powerful. But you could level this argument against alexis arguello. a lot of his ko's were from accurate punches. Many say he was the biggest puncher of the 70's
thewoo
08-28-2007, 05:08 PM
good statement. I think oscar had the bigger left hand but tito had more power to offer because his right was stronger
some people have said that kostya tszyu was more accurate than powerful. But you could level this argument against alexis arguello. a lot of his ko's were from accurate punches. Many say he was the biggest puncher of the 70's
I think that in order to be a great puncher you have to also be accurate. There are plenty of guys out there with lots of raw power that I wouldn't call great punchers, like for example, Mayorga, peter, Freitas, miranda
brooklyn1550
08-28-2007, 05:12 PM
I would put Tszyu number 1
Stinky gloves
08-28-2007, 05:23 PM
Probably you should look on KO ratio, then on the most impressive KOs.
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