why do people still doubt cotto??

[Relentless]

since he became champ at 140lb's people have been saying before every one of his fights that "this time he will get exposed" "this time his chin will let him down" etc etc

everytime somebody was supposed to "beat" him he came out more ruthless than ever and proved the critics wrong,

malignaggi and quintana were 'supposed' to outbox him and judah was a better "finisher" than chop chop and torres and was supposed to be the one who stops the hype,

now we hear that shane mosley is an EVEN better "finisher" than zab though i dont doubt this (shane is my favourite fighter along with cotto and i have seen what he can do!) i think it is stupid people still bringing up the corley and torres fight, corley also rocked floyd, torres has 28 ko's out of 30 fights and cotto also has come a long way since those fights

each and everytime cotto fights he is about to get "exposed" :patsch :patsch :patsch

[Nawfal]

hes not fought an elite fighter yet. i think thats why

[kirk]

ya, people are dumb for saying that cotto is going to get 'exposed', they are ignorant and fickle fans that dont really know the sport that well. hes past that point imo.

but... also, you have to realise that his competition is steadily getting harder and harder, so of course each challenge, if they think that cotto wouldnt beat them, they will say it, and when he does win, the next fight is even tougher so they dont think he will win that one.

i love that cottos career is going in this direction... every fight being tougher and tougher.

i do think mosley is going to win, i will root for cotto, and he will lose imo not because hes going to be exposed, but because mosley is a better, and greater fighter.

[BigReg]

Every fighter has doubters. Whether it be Floyd, Pac, Calzaghe, and of course Taylor. Cotto is a good young fighter, but he gets hit way too easily and he's never even won a legit title yet. His best win to date was against a guy coming off two losses and a one year layoff. Do you really believe that has acclompished so much and has shown little enough flaws that nobody should doubt him?

[Relentless]

Every fighter has doubters. Whether it be Floyd, Pac, Calzaghe, and of course Taylor. Cotto is a good young fighter, but he gets hit way too easily and he's never even won a legit title yet. His best win to date was against a guy coming off two losses and a one year layoff. Do you really believe that has acclompished so much and has shown little enough flaws that nobody should doubt him?

actually his best win is malignaggi,

malignaggi is going to go on to be greater than zab, quote me on that.

[kg0208]

actually his best win is malignaggi,

malignaggi is going to go on to be greater than zab, quote me on that.

True, but Malignaggi isn't a great fighter yet. I don't doubt him, I just don't think he has proven he is as good as some rate him.

[Napoleon]

You will see why after Mosley beats his ass!

[Relentless]

You will see why after Mosley beats his ass!

this doesn't even make sense, you should go back to sucking vitlays dick.

if mosley wins it will not surprise me, mosley is a great fighter.

[Boom_Boom]

malignaggi was suppose to outbox him?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

that is such bullcrap, Malignaggi was suppose to be Ko'd within 5, it was a shock that he WAS able to outbox Cotto in quite a few rounds.

[BigReg]

actually his best win is malignaggi,

malignaggi is going to go on to be greater than zab, quote me on that.

Even Cotto says Judah was his best win. Malignaggi has no power, has a limited offensive arsenal, and a suspect defense. Let's also not forget that Malignaggi had mostly fought nobodies before he fought Cotto.

[BobDigi5060]

Because we've seen him rocked by Judah, Torres, Abdulaev and Corley. Nothing hasn't been as serious as the Torres fight but its not something that's easy to forget about. We've seen the man seriously hurt but what matters in the end is that he found a way to win. With his wins at WW this stuff may seem light years away but not unforgettable. That kinda stuff will always give us doubts about his chin no matter how great his other atributes still are.

[El Presidente]

Where you guys will rank Cotto after he beats mosley?

[thewoo]

Despite every fight yo mentioned, Malinaggi, Quintana, Judah, Cotto has always been a comfortable favorite going into his fights. I haven't seen the odds for this fight yet but I think that this will be the first time that he enters the ring as an underdog and it is his toughest test yet.

I think that the people picking against him in the fight aren't betting aganst him as much as they are betting on Mosley. Mosley is a seasoned vet who has seen everything that Cotto has to offer and for the most part has always had an offer for everything. I don't think that there is anything that Cotto has shown so far that will give Mosley trouble, to win he will have to step his game up.

[Relentless]

malignaggi was suppose to outbox him?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

that is such bullcrap, Malignaggi was suppose to be Ko'd within 5, it was a shock that he WAS able to outbox Cotto in quite a few rounds.

yes the cotto fans thought that but i remember there were a number of posters here saying malignaggi is slick and elusive.

and by the way the word you are looking for is bullSHIT

[dave82]

Where you guys will rank Cotto after he beats mosley?

I rate Mosley very highly as the man is talented as all hell. I personally don't think he will beat Mosley, however if he does defeat Mosley in convincing fashion he will be in my Top 5 P4P.

[Nawfal]

i think if cotto beats mosely, that will be it

[ChampionsForever]

He's never been the underdog in a fight yet, this pretty much makes him a "protected" fighter meaning every new opponant will expose him.

He will beat SSM tho.

[unclepaulie]

cotto has such a style where, on paper its easy to beat him. you stay on the outside and use your feet to stay away while keeping him away with your jab. thing is no one has successfully done that yet, and i dont think mosley will

[Nawfal]

Yeh this is Cotto's big change to make believers out of the doubters, Im picking him to get the decision over Mosley. Cotto beating Mosley will catapult him into the top 5 pound-for-pound fighters in the sport at the moment, Hatton has been riding of the great win over Kosta for a while now, Cotto has the chance to do the same if he can beat Mosley in decisive fashion.

yeah i see it this way

[Bummy Davis]

I love the guys style, hard punching pressure fighter, but he has shown a shakey chin at times, still the guy never had a bad fight

[Antwuan Maxx]

malignaggi was suppose to outbox him?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

that is such bullcrap, Malignaggi was suppose to be Ko'd within 5, it was a shock that he WAS able to outbox Cotto in quite a few rounds.

Not true at all. By fight night, Cotto-Malignaggi was damn near a pick em fight. Many were already picking Paulie to outpoint Cotto, and many more expected the same after how bad Cotto looked physically during the week of the fight. On Boxingtalk.com 4 out of 7 writers picked Paulie to win by decision.

Paulie won rounds strictly by outworking Cotto, not outboxing him. Even George Foreman said during the fight, when Cotto was working the fight wasn't that competitive.

[duran83]

since he became champ at 140lb's people have been saying before every one of his fights that "this time he will get exposed" "this time his chin will let him down" etc etc

everytime somebody was supposed to "beat" him he came out more ruthless than ever and proved the critics wrong,

malignaggi and quintana were 'supposed' to outbox him and judah was a better "finisher" than chop chop and torres and was supposed to be the one who stops the hype,

now we hear that shane mosley is an EVEN better "finisher" than zab though i dont doubt this (shane is my favourite fighter along with cotto and i have seen what he can do!) i think it is stupid people still bringing up the corley and torres fight, corley also rocked floyd, torres has 28 ko's out of 30 fights and cotto also has come a long way since those fights

each and everytime cotto fights he is about to get "exposed" :patsch :patsch :patsch

Wat u talking about? The guy was heavy odds on in everyone of his fights you mention, only the nuthuggers say he was supposed to get beat, each one of these fights it would have been a shock if he had lost, lets see him in with Mosley this will be his hardest fight on paper to date.

[duran83]

Hahahahahahaahahahahaha.....you don't have to fight Cotto from the outside. In fact that strategy is the most simplisticly obvious. If you have the ability to utilize better footwork or if you have better footspeed, then take advantage of it.

But you can also sit in the pocket with Cotto if you are not at a strength disadvantage, punching power disadvantage or chin disadvantage.

First you want to look at who is fighting Cotto and stop with all the generalizations about who or what Cotto is.

Shane has:

Faster hands & feet.

Shane is as:

Strong or stronger than Cotto physically.

Shane has shown:

a better chin.

Shane can fight:

on the inside and outside.

Shane can use:

his counterpunching skills, he can choose to sit down on his shots on the inside with Cotto, he can use his jab, to score points and kill time.

Why do you people keep making this mistake that Shane is the smaller guy moving up, at an older age, to fight this young super strong bull?

That isn't the case. Shane is older true, but he is not smaller, he is not moving up, he isn't the lesser versatile fighter.

Cotto has a very tall order in front him.

Bob Arum is betting on the possibility that Shane's age, and loss of maybe that 6th gear he use to possess will be enough of an opening for Cotto to gain a win in a tough fight.

That's always possible, but I think it is unlikely. I think Shane is more than capable of handily defeating Cotto.

I agree with most you say there, but i disagree about Mosley being stronger, i think Cotto is naturally stronger than Mosley.

[1lehudson]

Cotto is a good fighter but he is a very flawed fighter, which is the reason that so many people like him. Guy like Jones(in his prime), and Floyd are not flawed fighters or are too good in one area for anyone to expose those flaws, which is the reason that so many hate them.

I think that people doubt cotto because even though is hasnt stepped up to the elite class of fighters yet, he has been close in several fights to being knocked out. Corley had him out on his feet and almost out, as did Torres, and Abduleav. I think that very few have confidence in Cotto's chin. I think that he is a nasty KO waiting to happen.

[1lehudson]

I agree with most you say there, but i disagree about Mosley being stronger, i think Cotto is naturally stronger than Mosley.doubtful, Mosley can benchpress 315 12 times:hey

Bet cotto can do 250 10

[brick city]

I like Mosley to win because he's fast, strong and a very smart fighter. I also would like to add that I think J. Clottey blows Cotto out in five rounds.

[He Hate Me]

since he became champ at 140lb's people have been saying before every one of his fights that "this time he will get exposed" "this time his chin will let him down" etc etc

everytime somebody was supposed to "beat" him he came out more ruthless than ever and proved the critics wrong,

malignaggi and quintana were 'supposed' to outbox him and judah was a better "finisher" than chop chop and torres and was supposed to be the one who stops the hype,

now we hear that shane mosley is an EVEN better "finisher" than zab though i dont doubt this (shane is my favourite fighter along with cotto and i have seen what he can do!) i think it is stupid people still bringing up the corley and torres fight, corley also rocked floyd, torres has 28 ko's out of 30 fights and cotto also has come a long way since those fights

each and everytime cotto fights he is about to get "exposed" :patsch :patsch :patsch

Your back to your old tricks give it a break cotto's time will come stop rushing it.

[Antwuan Maxx]

I like Mosley to win because he's fast, strong and a very smart fighter. I also would like to add that I think J. Clottey blows Cotto out in five rounds.

How can you say that when in his toughest fights, he's shown no ability to adjust what so ever. Take away Mosley's cat like reflexes and you have a very mediocre fighter. A lot of you mistake flash for substance.

I also would like to add that I think J. Clottey blows Cotto out in five rounds.

:lol: Based on what exactly? Did you even see Clottey-Flores? Joshua "pitty pat, front running" Clottey aint stopping Cotto or any other top welterweight for that matter.

[He Hate Me]

hes not fought an elite fighter yet. i think thats why

If you disagree with clueless, typo i mean relentless he becomes agressive. Cotto is his prize posession.

[the_what]

Papa Jack throws in the white towel after 8 rounds. Nosley retires after the beating.

[brick city]

This by far will be Cotto biggest fight against one of boxings biggest stars. He knows this fight won't be easy and Shane is no push over. And on pure speed and power Clottey who faced Margarito and Diego (RIP) destroys Cotto.

[the_what]

This by far will be Cotto biggest fight against one of boxings biggest stars. He knows this fight won't be easy and Shane is no push over. And on pure speed and power Clottey who faced Margarito and Diego (RIP) destroys Cotto.

Clottey doesnt have great power. And he only looks fast because he fought a slow Margarito and a weak Corrales. Cotto would get surgical on that ass. Rearrange his face. Blood all over the place. Would be a beautiful thing. :yep

[dave82]

Win lose or draw, I have NO DOUBT Cotto will give us a great performance

[El Presidente]

I like Mosley to win because he's fast, strong and a very smart fighter. I also would like to add that I think J. Clottey blows Cotto out in five rounds. lmfao Clotey blows Cotto in 5 :rofl

[PH|LLA]

its cause his defence is sketchy and he gets hit flush too often

[la-califa]

Mainly since the Torres fight, He has fought pretty good fighters, But collectivly none of them could dent an egg...

[Napoleon]

this doesn't even make sense, you should go back to sucking vitlays dick.

if mosley wins it will not surprise me, mosley is a great fighter.

Yes it does make sense. I said that you will see why people are doubting Cotto after the Mosley fight because Mosley will show what kind of flaws Cotto has.

Besides although Vitaliy is in my top ten favorite boxers I have almost never defended him on anything on this site, so I don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

[paulfv]

I think many doubt Cotto because they see him as having something of a weak chin despite the fact that he is a 170-pounder fighting as a WW.

[Relentless]

Mainly since the Torres fight, He has fought pretty good fighters, But collectivly none of them could dent an egg...

stoooopid

he fought branco, quintana, urkal and judah

[Relentless]

Yes it does make sense. I said that you will see why people are doubting Cotto after the Mosley fight because Mosley will show what kind of flaws Cotto has.

Besides although Vitaliy is in my top ten favorite boxers I have almost never defended him on anything on this site, so I don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

yeh and we all know mosley is a bum right? dont we??

so mosley beats cotto and cotto is exposed??

i got news for you, mosley beats alot of fighters.

[He Hate Me]

stoooopid

he fought branco, quintana, urkal and judah

Why are you so aggresive when people disagree with you?:huh

[Relentless]

Why are you so aggresive when people disagree with you?:huh

i'm not agrresive :huh

this is a message board whats there to get pissed about?? if there is something i dont like i dont read it or i just leave.

if you think i am aggresive here wait till you ever leave the house! you will meet people who are aggresive!

[Franchise_411]

Cotto would definitely silence all the doubters with a win over Mosley

[Caper]

doubtful, Mosley can benchpress 315 12 times:hey

Bet cotto can do 250 10

Hmmmm....who squats more would determine who has the better strength in the ring.

[Caper]

This by far will be Cotto biggest fight against one of boxings biggest stars. He knows this fight won't be easy and Shane is no push over. And on pure speed and power Clottey who faced Margarito and Diego (RIP) destroys Cotto.

:shock:

Please explain without using examples of fighters that Clottey has fought and Cotto has not.

The most common rookie mistake is saying fighter A would beat fighter B because fighter B lost to fighter C who lost to fighter A. :roll:

[Napoleon]

yeh and we all know mosley is a bum right? dont we??

so mosley beats cotto and cotto is exposed??

i got news for you, mosley beats alot of fighters.

You're a fucking retard and a huge nuthugger.

What I said is after Mosley beats him, people will know what kind of flaws Cotto might have you dumb bitch.

[Relentless]

You're a fucking retard and a huge nuthugger.

What I said is after Mosley beats him, people will know what kind of flaws Cotto might have you dumb bitch.

:| ohhh... have i said something to hurt your feeling??? have i struck a nerve? :| :| cry me a river.....

you are not worth a real response :hi:

[Napoleon]

:| ohhh... have i said something to hurt your feeling??? have i struck a nerve? :| :| cry me a river.....

you are not worth a real response :hi:

Why the hell do you keep replying with this :| when I have never cried or even complained about anything to anyone.

I used to like you as a posters but since Mosley signed to fight Cotto you turned into the biggest retard and a nuthugger i've seen.

[Relentless]

Why the hell do you keep replying with this :| when I have never cried or even complained about anything to anyone.

I used to like you as a posters but since Mosley signed to fight Cotto you turned into the biggest retard and a nuthugger i've seen.

well both are my favourite fighters i dont like it when people put them down,

if mosley wins most people will likely say cotto was nothing but hype and glass chinned, if cotto wins mosley will be old.

[Napoleon]

well both are my favourite fighters i dont like it when people put them down,

if mosley wins most people will likely say cotto was nothing but hype and glass chinned, if cotto wins mosley will be old.

Thats something you have to live with. I remember when I was here about 1 1/2 years ago when Vitali and Wlad were my two favorite fighters and at the time everyone hated them.

[PH|LLA]

its cause his defence is sketchy and he gets hit flush too often
:deal

[the_what]

I think many doubt Cotto because they see him as having something of a weak chin despite the fact that he is a 170-pounder fighting as a WW.

Making up stories now. :nut

[Pimp C]

actually his best win is malignaggi,

malignaggi is going to go on to be greater than zab, quote me on that.
I agree with this.

[jopez707]

Cotto is an exiting young fighter with several serious flaws, but that's what makes him an exciting fighter. I have more respect for him with every fight he wins, that being said his next challenge is his biggest yet. Even though Mosley is like 36 years old, he still has a lot left, Cotto's chin is gonna get checked at least once or twice during the fight, Mosley's speed will present a lot of problems as well.

[DanePugilist]

Cotto is a great fighter, but now all he will hear is: "This is Spa... erh the elite". Lets see how he fares, and how he handles adversity or losses(if they come).

Plus I don't even think that Cotto is prime at all...

[BITCH ASS]

doubtful, Mosley can benchpress 315 12 times:hey

Bet cotto can do 250 10

Bullshit.

Mosley cannot do that.

[bumdujour]

since he became champ at 140lb's people have been saying before every one of his fights that "this time he will get exposed" "this time his chin will let him down" etc etc

everytime somebody was supposed to "beat" him he came out more ruthless than ever and proved the critics wrong,

malignaggi and quintana were 'supposed' to outbox him and judah was a better "finisher" than chop chop and torres and was supposed to be the one who stops the hype,

now we hear that shane mosley is an EVEN better "finisher" than zab though i dont doubt this (shane is my favourite fighter along with cotto and i have seen what he can do!) i think it is stupid people still bringing up the corley and torres fight, corley also rocked floyd, torres has 28 ko's out of 30 fights and cotto also has come a long way since those fights

each and everytime cotto fights he is about to get "exposed" :patsch :patsch :patsch

he never fought a reigning champ.

[Grabonator]

Hahahahahahaahahahahaha.....you don't have to fight Cotto from the outside. In fact that strategy is the most simplisticly obvious. If you have the ability to utilize better footwork or if you have better footspeed, then take advantage of it.

But you can also sit in the pocket with Cotto if you are not at a strength disadvantage, punching power disadvantage or chin disadvantage.

First you want to look at who is fighting Cotto and stop with all the generalizations about who or what Cotto is.

Shane has:

Faster hands & feet.

Shane is as:

Strong or stronger than Cotto physically.

Shane has shown:

a better chin.

Shane can fight:

on the inside and outside.

Shane can use:

his counterpunching skills, he can choose to sit down on his shots on the inside with Cotto, he can use his jab, to score points and kill time.

Why do you people keep making this mistake that Shane is the smaller guy moving up, at an older age, to fight this young super strong bull?

That isn't the case. Shane is older true, but he is not smaller, he is not moving up, he isn't the lesser versatile fighter.

Cotto has a very tall order in front him.

Bob Arum is betting on the possibility that Shane's age, and loss of maybe that 6th gear he use to possess will be enough of an opening for Cotto to gain a win in a tough fight.

That's always possible, but I think it is unlikely. I think Shane is more than capable of handily defeating Cotto.

Shane is getting old, thats why i pick Cotto to beat him. But he still is a bigger challenge than anyone Cotto has fought so far.

[ayala]

Floyd and Cotto have four common opponents that being Judah,Juuko,Sosa,and Chop Chop Corley and Cotto beat them all in better
fashion so whyn does people make a big deal of Mayweather but still tend to put Cotto down.

[Relentless]

because cotto isn't a loud mouth like mayweather i think

i dont get it, people complain about mayweather being a loud mouth etc etc

but when cotto says he will let his management choose his oponents people call him scared and/or a robot who cant speak for himself.

[BigReg]

Floyd and Cotto have four common opponents that being Judah,Juuko,Sosa,and Chop Chop Corley and Cotto beat them all in better
fashion so whyn does people make a big deal of Mayweather but still tend to put Cotto down.

Those four would not rank as Mayweather's four best wins. Cotto beat all of them after Mayweather. And Cotto beat two of them at a higher weight than Mayweather did(alot of fighters aren't as efffective when they move up). Lastly, look at both fighters, it's obvious which one is more highly skilled(that being said I still think Cotto is a very talented fighter).

[BigReg]

because cotto isn't a loud mouth like mayweather i think

i dont get it, people complain about mayweather being a loud mouth etc etc

but when cotto says he will let his management choose his oponents people call him scared and/or a robot who cant speak for himself.

Are the same people making both statements? I doubt it. Therefore, it makes perfect sense that both are criticised for their brashness or lack there of. Some people like their fighters to be brash and talkative like Mayweather, others like their fighters to be quiet and reserved like Cotto.

[1lehudson]

Bullshit.

Mosley cannot do that.dude mosely was on a show with players from the NBA and NFL and it was like battle of the superstars or something like that and they did the 100, benchpress, longjump, and all sorts of other things. I saw him bench 315 12 times and he finished 5th in that event. All the others was amazed because shane was so small. All and all he didnt fair that well in that show I think that he finished like 12 out of 15 guys, but he did benchpress 315 12 times.:good

[1lehudson]

Floyd and Cotto have four common opponents that being Judah,Juuko,Sosa,and Chop Chop Corley and Cotto beat them all in better
fashion so whyn does people make a big deal of Mayweather but still tend to put Cotto down.Floyd was never had any problems with those fighters and Cotto did. Him stopping those guys and Floyd not doesnt mean that Cotto beat them in better fashion. that would be like saying a fighter that pulled out a late round tko was more impressive over a fighter that another fighter beat the piss out of for 12 rounds but didnt stop him. Or a better example is the fact that Paulie Mags beat N'dou much easier or in better fashion(to use your words) then Cotto did...What does that mean???

[Caper]

dude mosely was on a show with players from the NBA and NFL and it was like battle of the superstars or something like that and they did the 100, benchpress, longjump, and all sorts of other things. I saw him bench 315 12 times and he finished 5th in that event. All the others was amazed because shane was so small. All and all he didnt fair that well in that show I think that he finished like 12 out of 15 guys, but he did benchpress 315 12 times.:good

Impressive but doesnt do much for boxers, I hear Cotto squats a more than impressive weight, don't know about benchpresses though I do know squats add to your preformance in the ring improving overall strengh and helping the body release testosterone on a more regular basis.

[psychopath]

since he became champ at 140lb's people have been saying before every one of his fights that "this time he will get exposed" "this time his chin will let him down" etc etc

everytime somebody was supposed to "beat" him he came out more ruthless than ever and proved the critics wrong,

malignaggi and quintana were 'supposed' to outbox him and judah was a better "finisher" than chop chop and torres and was supposed to be the one who stops the hype,

now we hear that shane mosley is an EVEN better "finisher" than zab though i dont doubt this (shane is my favourite fighter along with cotto and i have seen what he can do!) i think it is stupid people still bringing up the corley and torres fight, corley also rocked floyd, torres has 28 ko's out of 30 fights and cotto also has come a long way since those fights

each and everytime cotto fights he is about to get "exposed" :patsch :patsch :patsch

It's not ONLY Cotto buddy, every fighter have doubters. :D :good

[Thom]

because cotto isn't a loud mouth like mayweather i think

i dont get it, people complain about mayweather being a loud mouth etc etc

but when cotto says he will let his management choose his oponents people call him scared and/or a robot who cant speak for himself.

Dude, WTF? You think most people actually like what comes out of Floyd's mouth? :-(

I don't understand the point of this thread. If Cotto took the kind of heat that Mayweather or Taylor receive, you might have a point. As it stands now, most of the people who trash him are the same fickle boxing "fans" who exploit any minute flaw that a fighter displays so they can talk shit. There were a lot more idiots ranting about his "glass jaw" after the Torres fight despite the fact that Miguel dusted himself off after talking a huge shot and came back to stop the guy. Most of them have shut their mouths after Cotto's past few performances though. If anyone still questions him, it's because his opposition has been good but not great. Mosely is by far his biggest challenge, and I'm looking forward to seeing how he handles himself.

If Cotto puts on a good show against Shane and a significant number of people still question him, then I would understand a response like this on your part. Until then, calm down.

[Thom]

It's not ONLY Cotto buddy, every fighter have doubters. :D :good
Sad but true.

[DanePugilist]

Who cares about bench presses, when technique and handspeed gives you more power than strength alone does.

[RafaelGonzal]

OK I say this if Cotto wips Sugar shanes ass everyone else must shut the fuck up finally. Cotto is a world class fighter a special fighter. Shane is a hall of famer who I respect for taking tough Challenges I have more respect for Mosely than any other fighter in the game today. The guy has fought the toughest comp of any fighter out there period. Cotto is supposed to kick his ass the table is set for Miguel this is his moment. Shane is not going to fold or just give in, Props to both fighters for taking this challenge. If Miguel wins then he is confirmed and everyone must shut the fuck up, if he loses but does well, then a measure of respect please. I cant wait for this fight its the final test for Miguel.

[PR Boxing Lore]

Cotto is a good fighter but he is a very flawed fighter, which is the reason that so many people like him. Guy like Jones(in his prime), and Floyd are not flawed fighters or are too good in one area for anyone to expose those flaws, which is the reason that so many hate them.

I think that people doubt cotto because even though is hasnt stepped up to the elite class of fighters yet, he has been close in several fights to being knocked out. Corley had him out on his feet and almost out, as did Torres, and Abduleav. I think that very few have confidence in Cotto's chin. I think that he is a nasty KO waiting to happen.
Cotto is a good fighter, but he is a very flawed fighter?:patsch

[He Hate Me]

One thing for sure this fight will not go the distance.

[Caper]

One thing for sure this fight will not go the distance.

Really?

I happen to think the fight will go the distance with someone winning a UD or SD.

[la-califa]

stoooopid

he fought branco, quintana, urkal and judah
Like I said NONE of them could dent an egg! & Don't forget the powerful Malignaggi! Ha,Ha!

[Caper]

Like I said NONE of them could dent an egg! & Don't forget the powerful Malignaggi! Ha,Ha!

Damn Mexicans raining on our parade....:lol:

Q is actually a pretty big puncher when he puts them together, Joel felt some of those shots but he played it safe and didnt go in for the kill for fear of his own possible KTFO outcome. Joel Julio might not be the brightest bulb in pack but he sure packs a punch when he lands flush.

[Caper]

Like I said NONE of them could dent an egg! & Don't forget the powerful Malignaggi! Ha,Ha!

I bet you a pack of oranges and refried beans he can crack an egg :yep :deal

[la-califa]

I bet you a pack of oranges and refried beans he can crack an egg :yep :deal
Only if he eats his Pidgeon Brains stew before the fight! :dead

I saw a clip of Edwin Rosario eating that before the Chavez fight.

[Caper]

Only if he eats his Pidgeon Brains stew before the fight! :dead

I saw a clip of Edwin Rosario eating that before the Chavez fight.

Did they also show Edwin cutting off the birds balls and placing them under his pillow for the chupacabara to bring him good luck :p

I think he forgot that part, that's why that tequila drinking apacalypto muthafunker beat his ass. :-(

[la-califa]

Did they also show Edwin cutting off the birds balls and placing them under his pillow for the chupacabara to bring him good luck :p

I think he forgot that part, that's why that tequila drinking apacalypto muthafunker beat his ass. :-(
Well make sure to tell Cotto to put the Bollas under HIS pillow, He will need all the luck he can get!:lol:

[Caper]

Well make sure to tell Cotto to put the Bollas under HIS pillow, He will need all the luck he can get!:lol:

Don't worry you know what we call luck in Puerto Rico??? "passa me la cuchillo" :lol:

[Relentless]

atleast cotto has a better resume than margarito

[Relentless]

Like I said NONE of them could dent an egg! & Don't forget the powerful Malignaggi! Ha,Ha!

what a stupid response :lol:

you asked what good punchers cotto has faced after torres and i gave you the list and then you go on to say why didn't i add malignaggi?? :patsch learn some english bitch

if you think judah, urkal, branco and quintana cant break an egg then you dont know shit.

[Dorfmeister]

Hahahahahahaahahahahaha.....you don't have to fight Cotto from the outside. In fact that strategy is the most simplisticly obvious. If you have the ability to utilize better footwork or if you have better footspeed, then take advantage of it.

But you can also sit in the pocket with Cotto if you are not at a strength disadvantage, punching power disadvantage or chin disadvantage.

First you want to look at who is fighting Cotto and stop with all the generalizations about who or what Cotto is.

Shane has:

Faster hands & feet.

Shane is as:

Strong or stronger than Cotto physically.

Shane has shown:

a better chin.

Shane can fight:

on the inside and outside.

Shane can use:

his counterpunching skills, he can choose to sit down on his shots on the inside with Cotto, he can use his jab, to score points and kill time.

Why do you people keep making this mistake that Shane is the smaller guy moving up, at an older age, to fight this young super strong bull?

That isn't the case. Shane is older true, but he is not smaller, he is not moving up, he isn't the lesser versatile fighter.

Cotto has a very tall order in front him.

Bob Arum is betting on the possibility that Shane's age, and loss of maybe that 6th gear he use to possess will be enough of an opening for Cotto to gain a win in a tough fight.

That's always possible, but I think it is unlikely. I think Shane is more than capable of handily defeating Cotto.

Neither I doubt Cotto nor do I take ESB belt holder Requiem4Stwscie lightly ( or for granted), let me make myself clear to you:

1 - With that same straightfoward simplicity, I state you have to figure Miguel out from outside and jump in xtremely light on your feet, not as jumpy or flashy as Paulie, but why would you stay right in front of him, take it and concede?

2 - Shane is not supposed to be a precious piece of China for Crissake and he is not about to shy away as the man-tiger/manticore rushes in and the ricans rise a coupla octaves in MSG, but Suga will risk his chances to slip away in this watershed occasion for him if he goes for it sort of testing the other man's will or out-muscle an unusual broad-shouldered, larger than life bully - that makes no sense to me, Shane has nothing to prove to Miguel or 2 the judges, just stayin there and taking it, otherwise I ask has Floyd proven anything of that sort to be so successful until this point?

I would look into Shane and Miguel since I have all their televised fights and I did - spent literally hours playing tapes, pausing, slow motion, goin back & forth before writing "This Fall, Full Aces High till there are Two Men standing" ESB article...

Therefore and I finally, Requiem's point by point, here are my most unbiased assumptions:

Shane has lightning swift spark comprehension, talent and much more fluid technique. His footwork is much better cause Miguel somehow seems to lose balance and footing when somebody drives him off.

Shane is not proven stronger than Miguel by any means whatsoever... He was 31-0 as a lightweight (30 kayos) and a vicious body puncher, relentless, blurring combo puncher too but just 9-2 as a welterweight (5 kayos) and against Estrada, Cruz, Collazo, he made it wisely snappy and wrestled himself out of danger, 3-2 as a light-middle ( 1 NC, 2 kayos) and he didn't show to be stronger that Ferocious Fernando the first time - it was all even at the end of the 9th, threw less punches, Vargas 42% CompuBox powerpunch rate with 127 punches landed, Shane 33% with 114 punches landed, just capitalized with the heavy, short right hand over the aztec warrior's left shoulder as he barely moved his trunk. The second fight he had 63% connect rate after 4 rounds but Fernando's back was killing him. In short contrast, Miguel won all 7 WBO light welter title fights, and against Urkal, Cotto had 54% powerpunch connect rate and 55% against Zab, after 8 rounds - there's a great line in boxing which says that if you don't catch your oppenent off guard and right on the button ( like against Quintana), if you have more than 50 % powerpunch rate, you're gonna win the fight... So nothin gives me the indication that Shane is stronger ( like Hoya was bigger but not proven stronger, sharper than Floyd) so he should not muscle up, load up and rely on the one punch and should be aware of the other man venomous body punchin power hell yeah.

Shane has been dropped by Forrest from outside range, had his face distorted by counters and right jabs by long muscled, lefties Wright and Louie Collazo ( 2nd round), had his head/neck snapped back by Cruz and Vargas jabs and thus, he maybe just proves he has a solid chin, not stronger than Cotto who simply showed world class resilience against Torres and even against Chop Chop rather that world class by itself against a top world class opponent ( Larry's words). The unalduterated truth would be that Mosley should make an intelligent fight, not endanger himself too much ( as he does) and spy on chances to score with his superior timing and more unpredictable power surge.

Shane cannot definitely fight on the inside if you mean letting Miguel narrow the field and smash through his rib cage at will, oh no, he should time him on the way in, close the distance, get his breath evened and so that he doesn't get spent right away, wrestle himself out or double, triple hook outa there instead of waiting foolishly for Cotto to find every bit of resolve within him, nail him pretty good and unleash that overwhelmingly tortuos compression against the ropes - Cotto even wrenched Branco's arm from its socket, nobody can disregard his body punching!

I agree Shane can buy time inside but I would use the double, triple snappy jab to set up a straight right in the middle, between Miguel's large shoulders rather than try to exchange jabs cause otherwise Shane can go back to his corner and say to Jack that he's feeling his back straightened and tight or that he dropped his work-rate cause he had a monkey on his back ( Wright 1st fight post interview).

Last but not the least, I agree that with the passage of seasons and consequential change of patterns that strikes everyone ( for instance 25 year old Ricky vs 36 year old Tszyu once), Shane's birth certificate and Miguel's enormous, stoical, sheer willpower, Bob Arum is expecting some sort of discomfort/ lethargy that would/ could weight Mosley down rather than getting shaken to his core by some assault or punch - Highly unlikely I have to emphasize that other option is yes...

[Azania]

My take is...If the right Mosley shows up for this one....Cotto's got a big problem.Cause Shane can hit...and fast.Throws great sizzling combos if you are there to be hit....which IMO Cotto is.And he loves it to the body.Plus Mosley is much faster of foot.Not like Floyd-type-fast....he showed that against VargasII(albeit the short Vargas)...mosley is essentially bigger than Cotto...add the fact that he's gonna be slightly taller than/longer reach than Cotto...The only thing IMO in Cotto's favour(??)...is,can Mosley still take it like he used to....Cause in this fight you best believe he's gonna get hit...and hard...Remeber Forrest??He was'nt afraid of popping Mosley and as a result Mosley went into a shell...losing the fight in the process.Sure Cotto ain't no Vernon Forrest...skillwise....but he still hits very hard.

Mosley has to get onto Cotto early and hard...build a gap...hopefully we'll see a few knockdowns.Cotto IMO has a puncher's shot on Mosley.Not a KO shot,but wear-him-down puncher's shot...if he can get to him.

Great fight.

[Sug3]

i just cant get torres landing 38 punches on cotto in round 2 out of my head,it wasn't because cotto was weight drained,it's because cotto is reckless and vulnerable when he comes forward and also torres had faster hands then cotto.Mosley will land at will on cotto and i wont be suprised if mosley end's it early.

[Relentless]

the torres fight was like 2 or 3 years ago, get over it.

[Caper]

i just cant get torres landing 38 punches on cotto in round 2 out of my head,it wasn't because cotto was weight drained,it's because cotto is reckless and vulnerable when he comes forward and also torres had faster hands then cotto.Mosley will land at will on cotto and i wont be suprised if mosley end's it early.

Give me a list of your three favortie fighters and I'll give you a moment when they showed vulnerability. Did you ever lose trust in them? Did you ever question their ability? Or even better did you ever make up threads and write up posts constantly bashing their career and credibility as a fighter? probably not.

Don't be surprised if this one ends in the 10th round via TKO in Cotto's favor.

Oh and I won't be shocked if Mosely wins, see unlike most people on ESB I respect every fighters ability and since this is a sport that involves bashing another man's skull you never know who might win, nothing is written in stone in boxing.

[BlueApollo]

If you don't doubt a fighter just a little, you aren't analyzing logically. Unquestioning faith is the hallmark of a fanboy.

Cotto has shown great resiliency and also great improvement in the last couple years, but he is a long, long way from being a perfect fighter, if such a thing exists. What we are going to find out about him as he tackles the elite in his prime is how he handles fighters quicker on their feet, with equal, if not superior technique, and more championship level experience.

Getting by Zab answered some, not all, of the early chin questions. Zab is dangerous for half a fight. Shane is dangerous for twelve rounds.

[Caper]

If you don't doubt a fighter just a little, you aren't analyzing logically. Unquestioning faith is the hallmark of a fanboy.

Cotto has shown great resiliency and also great improvement in the last couple years, but he is a long, long way from being a perfect fighter, if such a thing exists. What we are going to find out about him as he tackles the elite in his prime is how he handles fighters quicker on their feet, with equal, if not superior technique, and more championship level experience.

Getting by Zab answered some, not all, of the early chin questions. Zab is dangerous for half a fight. Shane is dangerous for twelve rounds.

Good post.....

I doubt their is a perfect fighter, if their was one that existed I doubt anyone would fight him. :yep

[BlueApollo]

Good post.....

I doubt their is a perfect fighter, if their was one that existed I doubt anyone would fight him. :yep

And hey, we all have fighters we love for whatever reason, I just try to stay objective about whether or not they'll win. Hopkins has probably been my favorite fighter of the last bunch of years, but I'll admit, I was sweating bullets before the fights with Tito, Taylor, and Tarver (not Oscar lmao.) Too much crazy sh*t happens in this game to ever have 100% faith in an outcome.

Honestly, one big advantage I think Cotto caries into the Mosley fight is his cool head. We've seen Shane get kind of frazzled before when things don't go his way (the head butt aginst Forrest, never coming up with a plan B against Wright, arguing with his corner against Oscar the second time around.) Cotto just takes a deep breath and keeps marching forward. I love that about him.

[Fab2333]

If you don't doubt a fighter just a little, you aren't analyzing logically. Unquestioning faith is the hallmark of a fanboy.

Cotto has shown great resiliency and also great improvement in the last couple years, but he is a long, long way from being a perfect fighter, if such a thing exists. What we are going to find out about him as he tackles the elite in his prime is how he handles fighters quicker on their feet, with equal, if not superior technique, and more championship level experience.

Getting by Zab answered some, not all, of the early chin questions. Zab is dangerous for half a fight. Shane is dangerous for twelve rounds.:thumbsup

[Caper]

And hey, we all have fighters we love for whatever reason, I just try to stay objective about whether or not they'll win. Hopkins has probably been my favorite fighter of the last bunch of years, but I'll admit, I was sweating bullets before the fights with Tito, Taylor, and Tarver (not Oscar lmao.) Too much crazy sh*t happens in this game to ever have 100% faith in an outcome.

Honestly, one big advantage I think Cotto caries into the Mosley fight is his cool head. We've seen Shane get kind of frazzled before when things don't go his way (the head butt aginst Forrest, never coming up with a plan B against Wright, arguing with his corner against Oscar the second time around.) Cotto just takes a deep breath and keeps marching forward. I love that about him.

Agreed, I feel Cotto's intangibles will out weigh Mosley's obvious advantages because of the adjustment factor. Cotto feeds off of fustration and those who try to face his pressure head on without a varied game plan. This has always been Mosley's flaw he is a rock set in his ways this is why he never meshed well with other trainers.

[MancMexican]

No fighter is perfect.

[El Bombasto]

since he became champ at 140lb's people have been saying before every one of his fights that "this time he will get exposed" "this time his chin will let him down" etc etc

everytime somebody was supposed to "beat" him he came out more ruthless than ever and proved the critics wrong,

malignaggi and quintana were 'supposed' to outbox him and judah was a better "finisher" than chop chop and torres and was supposed to be the one who stops the hype,

now we hear that shane mosley is an EVEN better "finisher" than zab though i dont doubt this (shane is my favourite fighter along with cotto and i have seen what he can do!) i think it is stupid people still bringing up the corley and torres fight, corley also rocked floyd, torres has 28 ko's out of 30 fights and cotto also has come a long way since those fights

each and everytime cotto fights he is about to get "exposed" :patsch :patsch :patsch

i don't see how any of his hand-picked opponents could have exposed him. judah was his first potentially even fight, and that was against a guy who never wins elite level fights. i don't doubt cotto, i'm just realistic about his prospects

[la-califa]

what a stupid response :lol:

you asked what good punchers cotto has faced after torres and i gave you the list and then you go on to say why didn't i add malignaggi?? :patsch learn some english bitch

if you think judah, urkal, branco and quintana cant break an egg then you dont know shit.
DO you really think Branco,Urkal or Quintana are power punchers?! They are decent fighters, No one is disputing that, But they are not powerful punchers, Including Malignaggi. Cotto got a scare from Torres & as a result has had some careful matchmaking to get his confidence back. This may have paid off. He has all of the tools to be a great fighter. & for the record, Just because Cotto has a better resume than Margarito, doesn't mean he would beat him. Both have good power & like to trade, But Margarito has a proven chin. Although Cotto is faster & has better technique. That will be a great match.

[C Money]

Cotto forced me to stop doubting him when he beat Quintana. In fact, the quick manner he did that in, has mnay not appreciating the difficulty in doing that. When Cotto did it?? I had no choice but to pay the man RESPECT.

After that?? He KO's Judah!! Again much respect.

Now SSM?? Well, there will always be reasonable DOUBT when a guy fights the best opposition and rightfully so!!!!

I salute Cotto on the path he's walking and if he beats SSM?? It's time to serve Mayweather-Medium Raw:yep :yep

IMO?? Too much has been made of his chin issues, it seems clear to me and I've said it since the CQ, that not draining to 47 has allowed him to be physically stronger. SSM made that same assertion in a recent interview:good

This will be one hell of a fight between two elite level guy's, doing what they are supposed too, FIGHTING THE BEST!!

To all those who will throw the old overnight excuse if Cotto wins?? Here's the answer IN ADVANCE, at least he fought the tougher opponent, INSTEAD OF DLH!!!!!

[Alo2006]

Every fighter has doubters. Whether it be Floyd, Pac, Calzaghe, and of course Taylor. Cotto is a good young fighter, but he gets hit way too easily and he's never even won a legit title yet. His best win to date was against a guy coming off two losses and a one year layoff. Do you really believe that has acclompished so much and has shown little enough flaws that nobody should doubt him?

Well said :good

[Dorfmeister]

My take is...If the right Mosley shows up for this one....Cotto's got a big problem.Cause Shane can hit...and fast.Throws great sizzling combos if you are there to be hit....which IMO Cotto is.And he loves it to the body.Plus Mosley is much faster of foot.Not like Floyd-type-fast....he showed that against VargasII(albeit the short Vargas)...mosley is essentially bigger than Cotto...add the fact that he's gonna be slightly taller than/longer reach than Cotto...The only thing IMO in Cotto's favour(??)...is,can Mosley still take it like he used to....Cause in this fight you best believe he's gonna get hit...and hard...Remeber Forrest??He was'nt afraid of popping Mosley and as a result Mosley went into a shell...losing the fight in the process.Sure Cotto ain't no Vernon Forrest...skillwise....but he still hits very hard.

Mosley has to get onto Cotto early and hard...build a gap...hopefully we'll see a few knockdowns.Cotto IMO has a puncher's shot on Mosley.Not a KO shot,but wear-him-down puncher's shot...if he can get to him.

Great fight.

Agree with, Cotto may have venom in that body punch but his Gameplan should be around wearing his man down with petrol motion, relentless and pressure attacks... But the same way Hoya - Mayweather turned out to be, when you launch yourself forward you always run the risk of opening up and get countered - not that Shane is as elusive and has the same punchin timing as Floyd - but let me remind y'all that Cotto is still too large for that size and that leads to say he can't land well-placed punches and may be too massive muscled to land well-timed shots 2 ( clubbing rights and power rows like against Zab from the 9th on)... I see Cotto landing on Shane's sides, gloves and arms and missing wide shots from long range whereas Shane can take it from Mayweather, unleashing sneaky rights and snappy jabs down the middle ( a la Judah 2 but no uppercuts or big glancing shots at close range) to sapp Miguel of his strength/energy and use his experience to put on different gears and different effect punches as the action unfolds - it is likely that Shane get keyed up as much as Miguel though...