Quarry VS Marciano

[Maxmomer]

How do you think this fight would go down? I think if Quarry's Irish got the best of him and he tried to slug it out he'd wind up getting TKO'd or KO'd around round 4. He he boxed smart he might be able to get a decision but would probably wind up TKO'd around 8-10.

[red cobra]

Jerry would be in WAY, WAY over his head in this one. If you thought Frazier got the better of him, the beating he would have recieved from Marciano would have exceeded any he got in his actual career. A 6 or 7 round stoppage with Jerry being on the deck at the end. The key factor would have been the intense pressure from Marciano and Jerry's tendency to want to slug. Slugging with Marciano would have been suicide for Quarry.

[TBooze]

Marciano would bust Quarry open and win on a blood stoppage in four or five rounds against the ridiculously brave, but outgunned Bellflower Belter.

[Russell]

Quarry just doesn't have the power to do much against Marciano, nor is he even much bigger than Marciano. Few pounds, and that's at Quarry heaviest.

[Bummy Davis]

Jerry would be in WAY, WAY over his head in this one. If you thought Frazier got the better of him, the beating he would have recieved from Marciano would have exceeded any he got in his actual career. A 6 or 7 round stoppage with Jerry being on the deck at the end. The key factor would have been the intense pressure from Marciano and Jerry's tendency to want to slug. Slugging with Marciano would have been suicide for Quarry.

:good

[Bummy Davis]

Bad fight for Quarry,Marciano would love a slugfest(Vingo) In this fight you may see Quarry take the count like Layne

[groove]

Quarry would do better than Don Cockell.

[The Kurgan]

Quarry knocks Marciano out with a right hand after a slow paced jabfest on the outside. There'd be lots of feinting and dancing; a fairly dull fight, really.

[mr. magoo]

I don't know if Quarry would be able to weather the storm against Rocky, but he certainly had better credentials than just about any prime opponent that Marciano beat. Jerry had impressive career wins over Shavers, Lyle, Mathis, Bodell, Patterson, Spencer, Foster and Zanon all of whom were ranked contenders when he beat them. In my opinion, Jerry had a better resume than just about anyone who never won a world title, and even better than some lineal champions.

[mcvey]

How do you think this fight would go down? I think if Quarry's Irish got the best of him and he tried to slug it out he'd wind up getting TKO'd or KO'd around round 4. He he boxed smart he might be able to get a decision but would probably wind up TKO'd around 8-10.
Quarry went on record as saying he was positive he would win this one,I can't agree,Marciano had more power in both hands ,was at least as durable as Jerry ,had phenomenal stamina,and strength.

Quarry had the edge in hand speed ,but so did most of Rocky's opponents,Rocky grinds the Irishman down to a walk,stopping him in the 10th,after a gutsy display by Quarry.

[janitor]

Quarry is alot better fighter than anyone Marciano has ever been in with in his career...... Quarry UD

Absolute piffle.

Walcott Charles and Moore were all a league above Quarry. Even sombody like Rex Layne could theoreticaly be ranked on a par with him.

[KTFO]

Absolute piffle.

Walcott Charles and Moore were all a league above Quarry. Even sombody like Rex Layne could theoreticaly be ranked on a par with him.


What exactly does this mean? Prediction please. Who wins this one? And why?

[Sweet Science]

If neither fighter gets cut badly, I see this fight going to the cards as both had tremendous chins and hearts. I'm not 100% sure who would take the decision but I'm leaning towards Marciano.

[Luigi1985]

Marciano fought only shot, washed up LHW´s, whether Quarry was in the godly Ali era, so I would say Quarry would easily KO that bum Marciano in the midrounds after a bloody massacre Rocky suffered...

[Sweet Science]

Marciano fought only shot, washed up LHW´s, whether Quarry was in the godly Ali era, so I would say Quarry would easily KO that bum Marciano in the midrounds after a bloody massacre Rocky suffered...

It's good to see you've finally come to your senses brother. :good

[janitor]

What exactly does this mean? Prediction please. Who wins this one? And why?

What I am saying is that Marciano defeated a few oponents who were themselves better than Quarry.

I think Quarry would loose to Marciano because he would get drawn into an Irish brawl he could not win.

[KTFO]

I think Quarry would loose to Marciano


Those diseases you have, do they hurt very bad?


I mean someone who suffers from braindamage must be in real pain.


There's no other reason one could argue that Vitali Klitschko wouldn't beat Quarry, but Marciano would work wonders.


:patsch :plzdie

[janitor]

Those diseases you have, do they hurt very bad?


I mean someone who suffers from braindamage must be in real pain.


There's no other reason one could argue that Vitali Klitschko wouldn't beat Quarry, but Marciano would work wonders.


:patsch :plzdie

The crucial diference is that Marciano has actualy proven his ability to beat oponents of that calibre in the ring as oposed to in fantasy match ups.

I make my picks based on what fighters proved inthe ring not how big their biceps are.

[RockyJim]

It would a BRUTAL KO for The Rock......

[JIm Broughton]

I would'nt count a prime Quarry out in this one especially if he boxes instead of slugs with Rocky. Quarry is faster in both hands and feet and has a first rate chin to boot. His first fight with Frazier proved this. Jerry also took a few wicked shots from Shavers before stopping him and proved in his fight with Lyle that he could utilize movement and good boxing if necessary to win. When you compare the level of competition between the two I think Quarry comes out on top. Quarry fought in what most Boxing experts agree was the best era of HW competition. Rocky feasted on good competition but let's face it, they were'nt in the same ballpark as Ali,Frazier,Patterson,Shavers,Norton,Lyle etc..Most of Rocky's foes would have a hard time competing in Jerry's era whereas most of Jerry's foes would have a picnic if dropped back in the 50's. I don't see bigger faster HW's like Ali and Frazier or Ellis and even Patterson having too much trouble with the likes of Savold, Cockell, Lowrey, a shot Louis or a cagey but elderly Moore. If Quarry could compete with the HW's of the 70's and win most of his battles then it's not inconceivable that he could beat Marciano too. Quarry's speed and chin would spell trouble for Rocky who's best chance lay in KOing Jerry and that would'nt be easy unless Jerry tries to go mano a mano with Rocky instead of boxing him. If Frazier and Shavers could'nt deck him then it's no cinch for Marciano to do it either. This one's a toss up IMO. If Jerry can keep his cool and box and counterpunch effectively then he stands a good chance. If he gets stupid then it's nighty night.

[redrooster]

Quarry wouldn't be able to withstand the intense pressure. Even his very atoms would be crushed.

This is a sick mismatch!

[Dempsey1238]

Patterson didnt have a picknit in the 50's. He was drop by novices and beating my Joey Maxie.

[Grebfan9]

Jerry Quarry had good handspeed, decent power and a sturdy chin.

Quarry did fight a high level of quality fighters and beat a number
of them. That being said, I still think that this fight would eventually
turn into a slugfest. Can't really point to Quarry's wins over Lyle
and Shavers and ignore Quarry's KO loss to Chuvalo. I see Quarry
fighting well and leading on points. By the sixth round, Marciano
would start to get to him. Rocky would hit him hard and keep up
the pressure.

I think the Rock would have some rough moments with a warrior
like Quarry, but eventually I think that Marciano would win.

[KobeIsGod]

It's clear Quarry had some pretty good skills but for some reason, i think quarry did not fight intelligently. he gets suckered into brawling when it's to his advantage to box. his size looks nearly identical to that of Jersey Joe Walcott. Walcott fought a near-perfect fight for 12+ rounds and still got ktfo. Many believe that was one of Walcott's finest performances up to the 13th. I don't think Quarry could do any better. His willingness to trade and dispense with boxing will cost him dearly. Marciano tko 8-10.

[cuchulain]

Marciano's relentless pressure would be way too much for Jerry.

Early to mid round KO.

[Jersey Joe]

Quarry is alot better fighter than anyone Marciano has ever been in with in his career

That would make him better than Joe Louis, Archie Moore, Ezzard Charles, and Jersey Joe Walcott.

[mike4819]

Absolute piffle.

Walcott Charles and Moore were all a league above Quarry. Even sombody like Rex Layne could theoreticaly be ranked on a par with him.


Wow! my 2 cents worth. I would pick Rocky to win but I would take a prime Jerry over a Layne or "kid" mathews any day

[Luigi1985]

Wow! my 2 cents worth. I would pick Rocky to win but I would take a prime Jerry over a Layne or "kid" mathews any day


I wouldn´t bet money on a fight between Layne and Quarry, Jerry was good against punchers, but I don´t know how he would do against Rex, who could pressure you all night in every single round...

[Mendoza]

I would'nt count a prime Quarry out in this one especially if he boxes instead of slugs with Rocky. Quarry is faster in both hands and feet and has a first rate chin to boot. His first fight with Frazier proved this. Jerry also took a few wicked shots from Shavers before stopping him and proved in his fight with Lyle that he could utilize movement and good boxing if necessary to win. When you compare the level of competition between the two I think Quarry comes out on top. Quarry fought in what most Boxing experts agree was the best era of HW competition. Rocky feasted on good competition but let's face it, they were'nt in the same ballpark as Ali,Frazier,Patterson,Shavers,Norton,Lyle etc..Most of Rocky's foes would have a hard time competing in Jerry's era whereas most of Jerry's foes would have a picnic if dropped back in the 50's. I don't see bigger faster HW's like Ali and Frazier or Ellis and even Patterson having too much trouble with the likes of Savold, Cockell, Lowrey, a shot Louis or a cagey but elderly Moore. If Quarry could compete with the HW's of the 70's and win most of his battles then it's not inconceivable that he could beat Marciano too. Quarry's speed and chin would spell trouble for Rocky who's best chance lay in KOing Jerry and that would'nt be easy unless Jerry tries to go mano a mano with Rocky instead of boxing him. If Frazier and Shavers could'nt deck him then it's no cinch for Marciano to do it either. This one's a toss up IMO. If Jerry can keep his cool and box and counterpunch effectively then he stands a good chance. If he gets stupid then it's nighty night.

Nice post. I agree that Quarry could very well beat the same guys that Marciano fought under the same conditions. I think Quarry vs Charles or Walcott that Marciano fought is 50/50.

It is true, at his best Quarry had more speed, and skills ( But not more power ) then Marciano. The thing is Quarry often found a way to lose, while Marciano found a way to win. Sometimes Quarry gave up on himself. Other times he boxed when he should have brawled, and brawled when he should have boxed.

Marciano could never be counted out. The Rock had a way of not only overcoming adversity, he did in such a way where he sapped the other man's heart and will to keep confronting him. Cuts, missing punches frequently, being down on points, or being knocked down did not deter Marciano. This is very rare.

I think Marciano wins the fight via a TKO in the mid to later rounds. Quarry might be up on points after the first 5 rounds. I would expect Marciano to find his groove in rounds 6-9. Once this happens, I see no comeback for Quarry.

[janitor]

How about Marciano vs a old woman in a wheel chair but that being said i would still pick the old woman unless she had a glass chin or no arms.

I think Marciano can beat old woman in wheel chair. He would outwork her and counter with his overhand right.

Old woman in wheel chair is ultimately doomed because she is up against the unbeaten Marciano.

[Luigi1985]

Why keep making post about people you know Marciano couldn't beat?How about Marciano vs a old woman in a wheel chair but that being said i would still pick the old woman unless she had a glass chin or no arms.

You´re sad that Marciano, with a record of 49-0-0 was white, right? Get over it, boy, find some new excuses because of the losses of your man Tyson...

[janitor]

Nice post. I agree that Quarry could very well beat the same guys that Marciano fought under the same conditions.

It is one thing to beat each of them under the same conditions. Quite another to beat all of them under the same conditions.

[mcvey]

I think Marciano can beat old woman in wheel chair. He would outwork her and counter with his overhand right.

Old woman in wheel chair is ultimately doomed because she is up against the unbeaten Marciano.
Yeah limited lateral movement spells curtains for the old girl.

[Ted Stickles]

Rocky destroys quarry,just a bad bad matchup for jerry all around

[C. M. Clay II]

You´re sad that Marciano, with a record of 49-0-0 was white, right? Get over it, boy, find some new excuses because of the losses of your man Tyson...

dave krieg doesn't like Tyson either by the way.

[Luigi1985]

dave krieg doesn't like Tyson either by the way.



Well, it doesn´t interest me what fighters he likes/ prefers, but he have to stop writing such a racist bullshit. He don´t have to love Marciano, but what he writes is really not normal anymore...

[Gyro]

Absolute piffle.

Walcott Charles and Moore were all a league above Quarry. Even sombody like Rex Layne could theoreticaly be ranked on a par with him.

You forget Marciano fought those guys when they were near or past their 40s. Ezzard Charles being the youngest of them at 33 but was already past his prime by then. His 4 best opponents were:

Louis - 37
Walcott - 39
Moore - 41
Charles - 33

Career wise these guys are above Quarry as you said, BUT career and legacy wise only. But at the point in time in which Marciano fought them, they aren't in the level of Quarry, they were old and past it. Marciano's best weight was at 185+ and he feasted on Light heavy weights, Quarry's best weight was 200+ and duked it out with true 210+ monsters. With Quarry's chin, grit and determination he can easily prevail over Marciano. Quarry had enough power to match Marciano, add to this Quarry could box, in terms of being more of a pure boxer Quarry was the better man. The only thing Marciano has over Quarry is power, but its not as if it was overwhelmingly more power than Quarry, as I said Quarry had more than enough power to match Marciano, not to mention is the more naturally bigger man. Everything else Quarry had the advantage or was equal. If Lowry could go the distance two times(it is documented in the first fight Lowry actually beat Marciano) against Marciano, im betting Quarry could too, and win the decision too. 12 or 15 round UD for Quarry. Despite having great power I don't think he could knock Quarry out which would be the only way Marciano could win.

[Valane]

Quarry by mid to late tko.

[JWSoats]

I would see this fight unfolding along the lines of Frazier-Quarry I, with Quarry boxing and countering well during the early rounds. As Frazier took everything Quarry threw and kept coming forward, I believe Marciano would do the same, grinding Quarry down to a middle-rounds stoppage. Quarry had very good skills and posted some impressive wins over top contenders, many of them being upsets, as with Mac Foster, and Ron Lyle. But I think Marciano would out-tough him, although if Jerry started trading it could produce fireworks while it lasted.

[yancey]

I think Marciano can beat old woman in wheel chair. He would outwork her and counter with his overhand right.

Old woman in wheel chair is ultimately doomed because she is up against the unbeaten Marciano.


Old woman in wheelchair wins 80% of her fights against Rocky's opponents.

[yancey]

You forget Marciano fought those guys when they were near or past their 40s. Ezzard Charles being the youngest of them at 33 but was already past his prime by then. His 4 best opponents were:

Louis - 37
Walcott - 39
Moore - 41
Charles - 33

Career wise these guys are above Quarry as you said, BUT career and legacy wise only. But at the point in time in which Marciano fought them, they aren't in the level of Quarry, they were old and past it. Marciano's best weight was at 185+ and he feasted on Light heavy weights, Quarry's best weight was 200+ and duked it out with true 210+ monsters. With Quarry's chin, grit and determination he can easily prevail over Marciano. Quarry had enough power to match Marciano, add to this Quarry could box, in terms of being more of a pure boxer Quarry was the better man. The only thing Marciano has over Quarry is power, but its not as if it was overwhelmingly more power than Quarry, as I said Quarry had more than enough power to match Marciano, not to mention is the more naturally bigger man. Everything else Quarry had the advantage or was equal. If Lowry could go the distance two times(it is documented in the first fight Lowry actually beat Marciano) against Marciano, im betting Quarry could too, and win the decision too. 12 or 15 round UD for Quarry. Despite having great power I don't think he could knock Quarry out which would be the only way Marciano could win.

Pretty much agree.

Anybody that thinks this is a mismatch in Marciano's favor is way, way off.

[jowcol]

Actually, I think this would be a competitive, exciting fight tho I don't see Quarry coming out on top. I've greatly admired Jerry since reading about him the first time after his draw with my beloved Patterson at the Olympic in June 67.
My reasoning is thus:
1) I've always maintained that Jerry's punching power is a bit overrated. Outside of Shavers (a fight I still consider a bit of an anomaly) what legitimate ranked contender did he ever knock out?
We all know the Rock could bang, hard enough to stop Jerry? IMO no but by the end of the fight, I see the Rock putting the hurt on him.
2) Jerry was prone to cuts, outside of the split nose thing with Ezz, was Marciano ever in any serious trouble cut-wise?
3) IMO Rocky was a better boxer and defensive fighter than people give him credit for. Jerry could box....until he got clocked big-time and then all that went completely out the window.
I see some great toe-to-toe action early on but tho Jerry may have the whiskers to go the distance (if not cut) he certainly didn't have the power to get Rocky out of there...
Result: Marciano UD, probably wide with no one disputing the call.

[Armstrong!]

I think that Marciano would overwhelm the brave Jerry in a firefight, but ultimately the Rock would be the victor.

[mcvey]

How do you think this fight would go down? I think if Quarry's Irish got the best of him and he tried to slug it out he'd wind up getting TKO'd or KO'd around round 4. He he boxed smart he might be able to get a decision but would probably wind up TKO'd around 8-10.
Quarry was convinced he would have won this fight,I never have been.
I think Rocky eventually stops him in an entertaining brawl,a slightly slower version of the first Quarry Frazier fight with the same outcome, but maybe a couple of rounds later.

[FastHands(beeb)]

I think this would be an exciting fight but with an air of inevitability about the outcome pretty much from the start. Jerry Quarry would not beat Rocky Marciano, period.

Marciano was tougher, a better puncher, just a better fighter all round, with a better defence than given credit for. The Rock by mid round stoppage, and Quarry would never be the same again.

[FastHands(beeb)]

Quarry was convinced he would have won this fight,I never have been.
I think Rocky eventually stops him in an entertaining brawl,a slightly slower version of the first Quarry Frazier fight with the same outcome, but maybe a couple of rounds later.

mcvey - That's exactly what I would expect Jerry to believe, don't you agree? I would hardly expect a man with Jerry's mentality to say"Yeah, well actually, The Rock woulda kicked my ass!"

:D:good

[Duodenum]

After the first two rounds of Frazier I, Jerry wound down badly. Even if he had finished that fight unmarked, he would have gassed to a halt long before the final bell. He also gassed horribly in the Ali rematch, where he did finish unmarked. He gassed badly against Norton as well, though it must be acknowledged that he was ten pounds heavier than for Frazier II, where again he gassed badly. Marciano is just about the worst possible heavyweight to have this flaw against. Put cut preventing head gear on both, and I'd still put money on Rocky to stop Jerry within the championship distance. Too much relentless pressure and too consistent a body attack for JQ to withstand for 15 rounds. Jerry's chin did not prevent Frazier from dropping him to a knee in their rematch, and Marciano's body attack was perfectly capable of producing the same result during his championship career.