Toney, LaMotta, Tiger, Hagler -which of these had the best chin?

[McGrain]

All great middleweight chins.

Who had the best chin? Can you put them in order 1-4? That's pretty horrible.

[GPater11093]

1. Hagler
2. Lamotta
3. Toney
4. Tiger

hard as fuck but there all with in 0.0000000000001 of each other

[SuzieQ49]

Well Toney got floored by a middleweight in his prime flat on his back....so hes out of the question.


Its between Hagler and Lamotta. I prefer Lamotta, but you can make a case for Hagler too. Lamotta could not be knocked off his feet in his prime ,he just couldn't be, no matter who the puncher was.

[Gesta]

Well Toney got floored by a middleweight in his prime flat on his back....so hes out of the question.


Its between Hagler and Lamotta. I prefer Lamotta, but you can make a case for Hagler too. Lamotta could not be knocked off his feet in his prime ,he just couldn't be, no matter who the puncher was.


I am in agreeance, Lamotta took alot of punishment and even the great Sugar Ray could not put him down and it's not like he was a Sweet Pea type (not saying he was course of cause).

[Chris Warren]

Sugar Ray Robinson was a welterweight and Jake Lamotta was a middleweight/ super middleweight so him not knocking down Lamotta proves what? Tommy Hearns couldnt knock down Hagler. If Lamotta would of fought guys who could really bang at middleweight he would of been knocked down. I will say this again about Robinson, he was a coward who beat his wife and avoided fighting black guys so he could fight slow mob controlled Italians. Nothing special.

Name some fighters Jack Lamotta fought who were natural middlleweights who came into the fight with him with a 80 percent or higher ko percentage. I doubt you could name one. You can only give me names and say were good because you heard some so called boxing expert say there good. Julian Jackson would of cleaned his clock, So would Nigel Benn, Gerald McClellan, Roy Jones Jr, Kelly Pavlik ect ect ect

James Toney on the other hand moved up to heavyweight and still showed he could take a good punch so apparently he has the best chin.

[TheGreatA]

Sugar Ray Robinson was a welterweight and Jake Lamotta was a middleweight/ super middleweight so him not knocking down Lamotta proves what? Tommy Hearns couldnt knock down Hagler. If Lamotta would of fought guys who could really bang at middleweight he would of been knocked down. I will say this again about Robinson, he was a coward who beat his wife and avoided fighting black guys so he could fight slow mob controlled Italians. Nothing special.

:patsch

You do know that Robinson fought every top ranked black fighter in his division?

Last time I checked Kid Gavilan, Henry Armstrong, Jackie Wilson, George Costner and Tommy Bell were black. They were all also rated inside the top 5 in the welterweight rankings at the time Robinson fought them.

Name some fighters Jack Lamotta fought who were natural middlleweights who came into the fight with him with a 80 percent or higher ko percentage. I doubt you could name one. You can only give me names and say were good because you heard some so called boxing expert say there good. Julian Jackson would of cleaned his clock, So would Nigel Benn, Gerald McClellan, Roy Jones Jr, Kelly Pavlik ect ect ectEver heard of a man named Bob Satterfield?

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James Toney on the other hand moved up to heavyweight and still showed he could take a good punch so apparently he has the best chin.As a middleweight though he was floored twice and took a beating from the great Dave Tiberi.

All of them had great chins however and I find it impossible to rate one above another. I guess I'll have to think about it.

[Mantequilla]

Chris, it is Would HAVE


not would OF:good

[SuzieQ49]

Sugar Ray Robinson was a welterweight and Jake Lamotta was a middleweight/ super middleweight so him not knocking down Lamotta proves what

Robinson was one of the hardest middleweight punchers of all time. he knocked out granite chin gene fullmer with ONE punch! Robinson weighed in the 150s for his last fight with Jake, hit lamotta with everything but the kitchen sink and jake never went down...and that was jake past his prime.


not knocking down Lamotta proves what?

That in SIX meetings, the greatest middleweight puncher of all time could not floor lamotta once

If Lamotta would of fought guys who could really bang at middleweight he would of been knocked down

Why dont u ask Gene Fullmer or Bobo Olsen if Robinson could bang at 160

How bout Lloyd Marshall at middleweight? knocked out your boy Ezzard Charles. Marshall is one of the greatest punchers at 160 EVER, he did not knock lamota down

Irish Bob Murphy one of the hardest LIGHTHEAVYWEIGHT punchers of the whole decade 56 kos out of 65 wins, was unable to floor a over the hill lamotta in two meetings

Bob Satterfield one of the hardest punchers in HISTORY landed everything he had on lamotta, and lamotta did not go down. Satterfield hit harder than any middleweight EVER

Marcel Cerdan, one of the best punchers of the era, and middleweight champion was unable to floor jake lamotta

Holman Williams could smack too, lamotta took his best stuff

Danny Nardico, the hardest hitting 175lber of the era, teed of on a way over the hill jake lamotta all night and jake took flush shot after shot. FINALLY nardico managed to floor him, but watch some of the punishment a shot jake took in this fight vs a very powerful prime light-heavyweight.

I will say this again about Robinson, he was a coward who beat his wife and avoided fighting black guys so he could fight slow mob controlled Italians. Nothing special.


Ya robinson was a bum, no talent

Name some fighters Jack Lamotta fought who were natural middlleweights who came into the fight with him with a 80 percent or higher ko percentage

Going by your defintion I would say Billy Fox 96% knockout percentage, He laid everything into Lamotta and was unable to floor him...In fact Lamotta who purposely took a dive in this fight was laughing at Fox as he teed off on him unable to hurt him. Lamotta just let Fox hit him at will and fox could not put the bleeding lamotta down.

But let me say this....Lamotta fought HUGE punchers at both middleweight and light-heavyweight like Lloyd Marshall, Sugar Ray Robinson 6x, Marcel Cerdan, Irish Bob Murphy 2x, Bob Satterfield, Bob Satterfield and NONE of these men were able to floor him. I mean these men were seriosely the biggest punchers of the era and none could put a dent to Jake's chin.

[the cobra]

Originally posted by Mantequilla
Chris, it is Would HAVE


not would OF:good
:lol:

[SuzieQ49]

James Toney on the other hand moved up to heavyweight and still showed he could take a good punch so apparently he has the best chin.

Toney was floored twice by middleweights. Was Lamotta ever knocked down by a middleweight? hell lamotta took punches off the 3 biggest lightheavyweight punchers of his era Murphy, Satterfield, Nardico

[My2Sense]

I will say this again about Robinson, he was a coward who beat his wife and avoided fighting black guys so he could fight slow mob controlled Italians.

So what the hell color were Henry Armstrong, Kid Gavilan, Tommy Bell, Jackie Wilson, George Costner, Randy Turpin, etc., etc.?? :patsch

[dezbeast]

I think it's pretty close between Lamotta and Haglar. Haglar didn't have his chin tested as often so I don't know.

[My2Sense]

No love for Tiger's chin? :verysad

[Senya13]

1. Toney
2. Hagler,
3. LaMotta
4. Tiger

[asero]

1. Hagler
2. Lamotta
3. Toney
4. Tiger

hard as fuck but there all with in 0.0000000000001 of each other

agree:deal

[mcvey]

All great middleweight chins.

Who had the best chin? Can you put them in order 1-4? That's pretty horrible.
Lamotta
Hagler
Tiger
Toney
I give Lamotta the edge over Hagler purely because he was less elusive than Hagler and took many big shots flush ,and from big hitting LHvy's like
Marshall and Satterfield.

[PowerPuncher]

Toney having proved his chin time and again all the way upto HW although he does have a better defense than all he still regularly took shots because he was too lazy to move. Those KDs he took were flash, a KD does not always indicate chin, it indicates balance. Could Hagler/Lamotta take shots from Rahman/Jirov/Jones Jr/Peter/Holyfield/Ruiz/Barkley??

Lamotta got ko'd a few times but probably had the worse defense, he also picked on WWs at MW so was always stronger than them and able to absorb their shots because of this, if he took the best punchers of his era like Burley, Moore, Charles he may well have been taken out at MW/LHW. I wouldnt rate him up with a Toney or Hagler. Haglers chin was bull like he could just bull through men, stronger chin than Lamotta. Tiger's I rank below all 3

[PowerPuncher]

BTW Chin is a bit of BS concept, so many factors are involved in taking a punch, most technique like chin tucking, defense, also stamina and survival skills.

LEts say if all these fighters don't tuck their chin, leave it out to dry, don't see the shots coming and take an onslaught off a huge puncher then all can be ko'd

[flamengo]

Why are these names being singled out??? Haglar, LaMotta, Toney....etc..

Curious.

[DFW]

Don't under rate Dick Tiger as far as the best chin of the four goes. The only middleweight that I know of that dropped him was Griffith in their first fight. And then I don't know if that was even a legitimate knockdown as I recall. Most people thought that Tiger was robbed in the first Griffith fight. I think that everyone has the picture in their minds of Dick Tiger stretched out on his back after being KOed by Bob Foster. Also DePaula had him down a fight or two after that one. But this was also at lightheavyweight don't forget!! Plus Tiger was way past his prime by 1968. I can't see LaMotta,Hagler or Toney doing any better against Bob Foster. In fact if Foster had fought any of these three I can see them flattened in the same manner by his tremendous power if he hit them flush on the whiskers. So you could make a case for Tiger as having the best chin of these four fighters; especially at 160 lbs.

[red cobra]

The Griffith knockdown was legit. Tiger was hit right with it, it happens...the decision was somewhat debatable, but the 9th round kd was on the level, and Tiger was up at "2" and almost went down again after that. As for DePaula and Foster...well these were two murderous punching LIGHTHEAVYWEIGHTS(!!!) Foster of course being the legendary one punch killer, and DePaula was a huge puncher, and Tiger was a natural middle, despite having successfully moving up in weight to beat Torres. I think I'd rate Tiger ahead of Toney by a gnat hair.

[SuzieQ49]

Lamotta got ko'd a few times but probably had the worse defense, he also picked on WWs at MW so was always stronger than them and able to absorb their shots because of this, if he took the best punchers of his era like Burley, Moore, Charles he may well have been taken out at MW/LHW

Honestly you have ur facts seriousely messed up. Lamotta took on the 3 biggest light-heavyweight punchers of his era while over the hill Nardico, Murphy, and Satterfield and took flush shots from each of them. Not to mention he the middleweight punchers he took on Robinson, Marshall , Cerdan huge hitters who couldnt floor him. lamotta took on all sizes. Marshall KNOCKED out ezzard charles, robinson was a much bigger puncher than burley at 160lb, and cerdan was just as lethal as a very green archie moore.


Honeslty i said this once ill say it again, lamotta in his prime could not be floored at 160lb no matter who it was...the man just couldnt be decked.

[he grant]

LaMotta who took light heavwyeight bombs Hagler never attempted ..

Hagler ...

Tiger ...

Toney ...

[Sweet Pea]

@ MW

1. LaMotta
2. Hagler
3. Tiger
4. Toney

[flamengo]

LaMotta who took light heavwyeight bombs Hagler never attempted ..

Hagler ...

Tiger ...

Toney ...

LaMotta had the ability to catch a passing bus with his forehead... even if the bus was coming in the opposite direction, on a different highway, in another state, on the other side of the planet.. It would still slap Jakes head.

His ability to absorb punishment is incredible... yet idiots still argue about Ketchels toughness.. blah!

[PowerPuncher]

Honestly you have ur facts seriousely messed up. Lamotta took on the 3 biggest light-heavyweight punchers of his era while over the hill Nardico, Murphy, and Satterfield and took flush shots from each of them. Not to mention he the middleweight punchers he took on Robinson, Marshall , Cerdan huge hitters who couldnt floor him. lamotta took on all sizes. Marshall KNOCKED out ezzard charles, robinson was a much bigger puncher than burley at 160lb, and cerdan was just as lethal as a very green archie moore.

Honeslty i said this once ill say it again, lamotta in his prime could not be floored at 160lb no matter who it was...the man just couldnt be decked.

More BS spin Charles, Moore and Bivins were clearly clearly the best offensive MW-LHWs, Burley had the best accuracy and great power too. Marshall didnt rate Lamotta that highly and picked the other murderers row over him.

Cerdan and Robinson were WWs, Cerdan had a shoulder injury and Robinson KO'd Lamotta when he grew into the weight, still he wasnt a murderous puncher but very accurate. Nardico, Murphy, and Satterfield were all relatively unskilled.

Ofcourse Lamotta can be ko'd at MW and ofcourse he was, anyone can be ko'd at any moment by the right punch/punches, Lamotta included. Lamotta had a great chin, great stamina and new how to roll with the punches no doubt but lets not get carried away

[Sweet Pea]

Sugar Ray Robinson was a welterweight and Jake Lamotta was a middleweight/ super middleweight so him not knocking down Lamotta proves what? Tommy Hearns couldnt knock down Hagler. If Lamotta would of fought guys who could really bang at middleweight he would of been knocked down. I will say this again about Robinson, he was a coward who beat his wife and avoided fighting black guys so he could fight slow mob controlled Italians. Nothing special.

Name some fighters Jack Lamotta fought who were natural middlleweights who came into the fight with him with a 80 percent or higher ko percentage. I doubt you could name one. You can only give me names and say were good because you heard some so called boxing expert say there good. Julian Jackson would of cleaned his clock, So would Nigel Benn, Gerald McClellan, Roy Jones Jr, Kelly Pavlik ect ect ect

James Toney on the other hand moved up to heavyweight and still showed he could take a good punch so apparently he has the best chin.You are fast becoming one of the worst posters on this entire forum.

[CottoDaBodykill]

Sugar Ray Robinson was a welterweight and Jake Lamotta was a middleweight/ super middleweight so him not knocking down Lamotta proves what? Tommy Hearns couldnt knock down Hagler. If Lamotta would of fought guys who could really bang at middleweight he would of been knocked down. I will say this again about Robinson, he was a coward who beat his wife and avoided fighting black guys so he could fight slow mob controlled Italians. Nothing special.

Name some fighters Jack Lamotta fought who were natural middlleweights who came into the fight with him with a 80 percent or higher ko percentage. I doubt you could name one. You can only give me names and say were good because you heard some so called boxing expert say there good. Julian Jackson would of cleaned his clock, So would Nigel Benn, Gerald McClellan, Roy Jones Jr, Kelly Pavlik ect ect ect

James Toney on the other hand moved up to heavyweight and still showed he could take a good punch so apparently he has the best chin.ahhh i love new fans who know nothing about the sport prior to 2006

[flamengo]

More BS spin Charles, Moore and Bivins were clearly clearly the best offensive MW-LHWs, Burley had the best accuracy and great power too. Marshall didnt rate Lamotta that highly and picked the other murderers row over him.

Cerdan and Robinson were WWs, Cerdan had a shoulder injury and Robinson KO'd Lamotta when he grew into the weight, still he wasnt a murderous puncher but very accurate. Nardico, Murphy, and Satterfield were all relatively unskilled.

Ofcourse Lamotta can be ko'd at MW and ofcourse he was, anyone can be ko'd at any moment by the right punch/punches, Lamotta included. Lamotta had a great chin, great stamina and new how to roll with the punches no doubt but lets not get carried away

Who knocked Jake out???

In his prime.. without allagations of MOB involement??

[SuzieQ49]

More BS spin Charles, Moore and Bivins were clearly clearly the best offensive MW-LHWs

No Lloyd Marshall was. He beat the ever loving dogshit out of charles at 160. I know you have this sickening mancrush on charley burley, but the guy was not as good as you think and nowhere near as good a puncher at 160 robinson is. Archie Moore? I have film of him vs richards in 1940, he had speed since he was young but he was nowhere near the defensive counterpunching and clever master he later became in the early 1950s. Robinson kayos the middleweight version of archie

Marshall didnt rate Lamotta that highly and picked the other murderers row over him.

I thought we were discussing lamottas CHIN not talent level? Besides just because Marshall said something doesnt mean its true

ps Marshall is better than burley



Cerdan and Robinson were WWs


no they were middleweight champions


Cerdan had a shoulder injury and Robinson KO'd Lamotta when he grew into the weight

He didnt get his shoulder injury until the 2nd round when lamotta knocked him down. before that, cerdan tagged him with everything he had and lamotta took it without blinking.

Robinson KO'd Lamotta when he grew into the weight

Umm Robinson came nowhere near kayoing lamotta. in fact he never even FLOORED lamotta in that 1951 fight........and that was a FAR PAST HIS PRIME jake lamotta


still he wasnt a murderous puncher but very accurate



Robinson Cerdan and Marshall were all murderous punchers at 160lb. ALL OF THEM could not floor jake lamotta

Nardico, Murphy, and Satterfield were all relatively unskilled.

So was gerry cooney razor ruddock david tua etc doesnt mean they werent thunderous punchers....lamotta fought huge punchers at 175lb and took there best stuff



Ofcourse Lamotta can be ko'd at MW and ofcourse he was


lamotta was never floored or kayoed at middleweight, ur wrong

[Bokaj]

About LaMotta's chin: it doesn't make more sense harping on about that Robinson was a natural WW than that Hearns was. Both carried murderous power att MW as well. Just look at the punches Robinson unleashes on LaMotta towards the end of their last fight. They are fucking brutal, but the mofo just won't go down. The only scarier example of a monster chin I've ever seen is Lewis-McCall II.

[Ischbaad]

@ MW

1. LaMotta
2. Hagler
3. Tiger
4. Toney

:good

[paidinrakim]

More BS spin Charles, Moore and Bivins were clearly clearly the best offensive MW-LHWs, Burley had the best accuracy and great power too. Marshall didnt rate Lamotta that highly and picked the other murderers row over him.

Cerdan and Robinson were WWs, Cerdan had a shoulder injury and Robinson KO'd Lamotta when he grew into the weight, still he wasnt a murderous puncher but very accurate. Nardico, Murphy, and Satterfield were all relatively unskilled.

Ofcourse Lamotta can be ko'd at MW and ofcourse he was, anyone can be ko'd at any moment by the right punch/punches, Lamotta included. Lamotta had a great chin, great stamina and new how to roll with the punches no doubt but lets not get carried away

He TKO'd a past prime and weight drained LaMotta
not ko big difference