Mirror Images Through Weightclasses- A Boxing Game

[Russell]

Here's a challenge for our knowledgable classic forum posters.

From Minimumweight to Heavyweight, fill in as many of the weight classes as you can with a fighter most like the original fighter mentioned. They don't have to be carbon copies, just the best fit.

Here's one to start us off.

First boxers up is Joe Louis. I'll fill in a few of the blanks with fighters I've seen mentioned as similar to Louis in other weight classes.

Joe Louis -

Heavyweight -
Cruiserweight -
Light Heavyweight -
Super Middleweight -
Middleweight -
Junior Middleweight -
Welterweight -
Junior Welterweight -
Lightweight - Ike Williams

Super Featherweight - Alexis Arguello
Featherweight -
Super Bantamweight -
Bantamweight -
Super Flyweight -
Flyweight -
Light Flyweight -
Minimum Weight - Ricardo Lopez

[teeto]

Heavyweight -
Cruiserweight -
Light Heavyweight -
Super Middleweight -
Middleweight -
Junior Middleweight -
Welterweight - Felix Trinidad
Junior Welterweight - Kostya Tszyu
Lightweight - Ike Williams

Super Featherweight - Alexis Arguello
Featherweight -
Super Bantamweight -
Bantamweight -
Super Flyweight -
Flyweight -
Light Flyweight -
Minimum Weight - Ricardo Lopez

I added Trinidad and Tszyu, who both have differences to Louis, but i did it on the basis of Trinidad being a ko artist, and Tszyu being a technically sound hitter who timed his best shots. Trinidad doesn't have the footwork i know, and Tszyu doesn't have his full offensive arsenal, but i couldn't think of others, if anyone wants to alter it feel free.

Also, i'd like to ask people who know more of Vincente Saldivar at 126, does he fit stylistically here?

[Russell]

Oooooh, great call on Kostya Tszyu, actually.

[GPater11093]

Tszyu is a great call, there all good calls except Trinidad i disagree with him for the reasons you state yourself no footwork etc...

i cant think of any more

[CottoDaBodykill]

i think trinidad was a good solid pick due to his short range punching power ...him and louis had to hit you from about a foot away from your face and you'd be knocked into oblivion ...

and both relied on getting up off the canvas several times to win big ...

a few similarities to think about!!

[CottoDaBodykill]

Heavyweight -
Cruiserweight -
Light Heavyweight -
Super Middleweight -
Middleweight -
Junior Middleweight -
Welterweight - Felix Trinidad
Junior Welterweight - Kostya Tszyu
Lightweight - Ike Williams

Super Featherweight - Alexis Arguello
Featherweight -
Super Bantamweight - Erik morales
Bantamweight -
Super Flyweight -
Flyweight -
Light Flyweight -
Minimum Weight - Ricardo Lopez


i see several simularities in the two .. morales and arguello ...both had that lazor accurate right hand... both got better the longer the fight went .. both had explosiveness matched with text book shots. .. both were very up right fighters they fought tall as you've heard people say .. not much of a crotch down style for either of them...

[CottoDaBodykill]

you could make a case for terry norris being alike joe louis ... he too had the fluid punching of louis ...also had to get up several times to win... speed speed speed
and foot work

[PowerPuncher]

There simply isn't a Joe Louis at every weight class, he's P4P above everyone in this thread on achievement and talent. Corrales isn't a bad comparision stylistically, both him and Arguello don't have near Louis's handspeed, stealth and aren't in Louis's league

Tyszu isn't a good match because of his poor defense, flat footedness and because he was so right hand happy, Morales isn't either because he hasn't got much pop and doesn't have the same authority, I prefer a 122lb MAB or Gomez to Morales if your looking for Louis comparision both far better technical stalkers with more precise devastating punching ability

How about Jack Blackburn ;)

[GPater11093]

There simply isn't a Joe Louis at every weight class, he's P4P above everyone in this thread on achievement and talent. Corrales isn't a bad comparision stylistically, both him and Arguello don't have near Louis's handspeed, stealth and aren't in Louis's league

Tyszu isn't a good match because of his poor defense, flat footedness and because he was so right hand happy, Morales isn't either because he hasn't got much pop and doesn't have the same authority, I prefer a 122lb MAB or Gomez to Morales if your looking for Louis comparision both far better technical stalkers with more precise devastating punching ability

How about Jack Blackburn ;)

Louis is not P4P above everyone mentioned i think Arguello is alot better P4P and Ike Williams could easily be ranked above Louis

Corrales is a bad stylistic comparison he is a swarmer more tahn anything throws lots of punches and gets hit with alot of punches and dosent have the smae kind of ring general ship or style. Louis would often patiently stalk fighters using a good jab coming in with short hard sharp punches. Corrales is more a brawler and comes straight in wining crude shots in the inside.

Did you notice the 3 critisims of Tsyu you made were 3 critisisms alot of Louis critics mention about Louis

[teeto]

Well i certainly think that there was not a Louis clone in every division, but Tszyu is a better matchup than Corrales for me.

Purely stylistically as in what they set out to do maybe Corrales isnt a great deal far off, but as far as their effectiveness went there's no comparison.

I find it hard to believe that Tszyu's defence got brought up and Corrales got mentioned as a Louis match

[GPater11093]

Well i certainly think that there was not a Louis clone in every division, but Tszyu is a better matchup than Corrales for me.

Purely stylistically as in what they set out to do maybe Corrales isnt a great deal far off, but as far as their effectiveness went there's no comparison.

I find it hard to believe that Tszyu's defence got brought up and Corrales got mentioned as a Louis match

i know but what is more ironic is the 3 points against Tszyu were 3 critisisms of louis

[teeto]

i know but what is more ironic is the 3 points against Tszyu were 3 critisisms of louis
Right

[Manassa]

I'd say Carlos Ortiz was more like Joe Louis than Ike Williams, mannerism wise.

[teeto]

Diego Corrales is a bad one PP

[teeto]

I'd say Carlos Ortiz was more like Joe Louis than Ike Williams, mannerism wise.
In a way Ortiz maybe, this isn't meant to sound disrespectful, but in some senses he did thinks too well to be compared imo. I mean the footwork that enabled in and out potshotting, but maybe that's unfair as Louis didn't attempt to incorporate that into his style

[GPater11093]

Right

cheers

I'd say Carlos Ortiz was more like Joe Louis than Ike Williams, mannerism wise.

good shout actually

Diego Corrales is a bad one PP

guess what we agree again

In a way Ortiz maybe, this isn't meant to sound disrespectful, but in some senses he did thinks too well to be compared imo. I mean the footwork that enabled in and out potshotting, but maybe that's unfair as Louis didn't attempt to incorporate that into his style

they fought alot more alike than not alike if you get me

[la-califa]

Middleweight- Marvin Hagler: Good boxer with strong jab & throws hard combinations, aggressive. yet slow of footwork allows him to almost be outworked at times.(Antuofermo I,Leonard,Duran). But overall a great fighter who does go into "destruct & destroy" mode very well.

[teeto]

cheers



good shout actually



guess what we agree again



they fought alot more alike than not alike if you get me
Yeah they did at times i agree, he is possibly the best fit at the weight in that he can emulate the style to a decent degree, but he was just more complete stylistically imo, not to say he was better effectively, but that boxing ability of Ortiz may make some avoid the choice.

Its a good one though yes, just a bit of devils advocate!

[teeto]

Middleweight- Marvin Hagler: Good boxer with strong jab & throws hard combinations, aggressive. yet slow of footwork allows him to almost be outworked at times.(Antuofermo I,Leonard,Duran). But overall a great fighter who does go into "destruct & destroy" mode very well.
I like this one, when you see how Hagler went about that stoppage of Minter, and his style later on in his career its goo. Again when he got fighting he was a bit more of a fighter naturally than a box fighter/puncher like Louis was.

I'm not criticising picks here guys, just in the mood to talk these great fighters' styles

[Russell]

There simply isn't a Joe Louis at every weight class, he's P4P above everyone in this thread on achievement and talent. Corrales isn't a bad comparision stylistically, both him and Arguello don't have near Louis's handspeed, stealth and aren't in Louis's league

Tyszu isn't a good match because of his poor defense, flat footedness and because he was so right hand happy, Morales isn't either because he hasn't got much pop and doesn't have the same authority, I prefer a 122lb MAB or Gomez to Morales if your looking for Louis comparision both far better technical stalkers with more precise devastating punching ability

How about Jack Blackburn ;)

P4P greatness isn't what we're comparing regardless. Style similiarities, regardless of the fighters greatness.

[My2Sense]

The only fighter I see listed here that reminds me of Louis is Ike Williams.

Aside from that... maybe Eder Jofre?

I've always thought Dick Tiger had a somewhat similar style as Louis, though his style was a bit more awkward, and perhaps less polished.

[teeto]

Jofre, interesting, i think i like that one. The only thing i could point out would be maybe the actual technique of the punches thrown were different, but that would be because Jofre had a long reach for his weight class imo. But the stylistic similarity is a good shout from the footage available.

Tiger, i just think the emphasis is more on the strength with him rather than the pinpoint punches.

[Flea Man]

The only fighter I see listed here that reminds me of Louis is Ike Williams.

Aside from that... maybe Eder Jofre?

I've always thought Dick Tiger had a somewhat similar style as Louis, though his style was a bit more awkward, and perhaps less polished.

Jofre did had a tendency of winging in his punches though at times, although he would revert back to being technically sound again and vice versa. Didn't do him any harm though, he had stone fists!

[teeto]

Jofre did had a tendency of winging in his punches though at times, although he would revert back to being technically sound again and vice versa. Didn't do him any harm though, he had stone fists!
Yeah that's what i meant by the techinque differences

[Flea Man]

Yeah that's what i meant by the techinque differences

I must've been typing as you were posting! Always happens to me and you Teeto!

[teeto]

I must've been typing as you were posting! Always happens to me and you Teeto!
Yeah i know, must be fate or something!

[Flea Man]

And BTW, PowerPuncher's bad comparison is due to the fact he knows shit all about boxing.

Apparently Arguello had 'no jab' :rofl

[teeto]

And BTW, PowerPuncher's bad comparison is due to the fact he knows shit all about boxing.

Apparently Arguello had 'no jab' :rofl

:-(

[PowerPuncher]

And BTW, PowerPuncher's bad comparison is due to the fact he knows shit all about boxing.

Apparently Arguello had 'no jab' :rofl

Hey stalker I dont think I know who you are but obviously you know me. I dont remember saying that because Arguello does have a good but slowish jab. I remember saying Arguello is very outboxable

[PowerPuncher]

Louis is not P4P above everyone mentioned i think Arguello is alot better P4P and Ike Williams could easily be ranked above Louis

Corrales is a bad stylistic comparison he is a swarmer more tahn anything throws lots of punches and gets hit with alot of punches and dosent have the smae kind of ring general ship or style. Louis would often patiently stalk fighters using a good jab coming in with short hard sharp punches. Corrales is more a brawler and comes straight in wining crude shots in the inside.

Did you notice the 3 critisims of Tsyu you made were 3 critisisms alot of Louis critics mention about Louis

Arguello isnt even as fast as Louis despite Louis being bigger, he also never fought men 4inches taller and 40lbs heavier like Louis. Arguello was always the bigger man, practically a bully picking on smaller men, that isn't what P4P is about for me.

[Flea Man]

Arguello isnt even as fast as Louis despite Louis being bigger, he also never fought men 4inches taller and 40lbs heavier like Louis. Arguello was always the bigger man, practically a bully picking on smaller men, that isn't what P4P is about for me.


:lol::lol::lol:

And you rate Corrales????

[GPater11093]

Arguello isnt even as fast as Louis despite Louis being bigger, he also never fought men 4inches taller and 40lbs heavier like Louis. Arguello was always the bigger man, practically a bully picking on smaller men, that isn't what P4P is about for me.


:patsch

Arguello wasnt always the bigger man he was tall but he was very light aswell as it showed against Pryor he was a smaller man so to say stength wise

bully picking on smaller men, Arguellos just your typical bully

big built
tough looking
No sportsmanship
steals your lunch money

[My2Sense]

Arguello was always the bigger man, practically a bully picking on smaller men, that isn't what P4P is about for me.

Yeah, a fucking bully who kept moving up in weight seeking bigger and better challenges.

Gosh, what a heartless turd. :-(

[Flea Man]

Yeah, a fucking bully who kept moving up in weight seeking bigger and better challenges.

Gosh, what a heartless turd. :-(

Funny as fuck, glad to see you and Greg agree with me lol

[GPater11093]

Funny as fuck, glad to see you and Greg agree with me lol

we dont disagree alot lol

[Flea Man]

we dont disagree alot lol
:good

[GPater11093]

you compiled your list yet Fleaman