Fighters you think took a personal dive.

[spion]

Who are some of the fighters that have made you think that they got counted out on purpose even though they put on a big acting job. It coulb be because they just don't want it anymore, were getting embarrassed, didn't have anything left in the tank, just came for the payday or thought that it was just too much trouble to continue in their particular fight. Doesn't always have to be the obvious like Bruce Seldon vs. Mike Tyson.

[GPater11093]

Argulleo vs Pryor 2 for me as much as it sadddens me to say it

[lefthook31]

liston

[CottoDaBodykill]

joe Walcott against marciano the second time

[SuzieQ49]

joe Walcott against marciano the second time


Ya Im sure that FLUSH right hand marciano hit walcott sqaure on the jaw with in slow motion replay didnt have anything to do with it. :roll:

[FINITO]

Hopkins/Delahoya and of course Liston..

[Russell]

Tubb's against Brian Nielsen. Winning then mysteriously quits with a "rib injury". He's said in interviews he threw another fight against a hard hitter who's name escapes me for coke money.

Same with Cobb. He was involved with some fighters (Sonny Barch) who were proven to be involved in thrown fights.

Some people say some of Butterbean and comeback Foreman's opponents laid down.

[lefthook31]

Golota Lewis He was nowhere to be found close to fight time. He wasnt ready for that fight.

Mcall Lewis, Oli broke down.

Tyson McBride, first he tried to foul out, then cut himself, he just wanted out of that fight.

[Russell]

Golota was coming off a year of inactivity as of the Lewis fight as well. Not good circumstances for him at all.

[janitor]

Golotta vs Bowe!!!!!!!

His corner were beging him to stop hitting Bowe low.

[Maxmomer]

Ya Im sure that FLUSH right hand marciano hit walcott sqaure on the jaw with in slow motion replay didnt have anything to do with it. :roll:

No one's saying the KD wasn't legit, but Walcott looked like he could have gotten up if he wanted to.

[TBooze]

No one's saying the KD wasn't legit, but Walcott looked like he could have gotten up if he wanted to.

I think that disrespects both Jersey Joe and Rocky.

Walcott was an old 38 and had been though hell against Marciano in fight one, also getting to Valhalla, he had nothing left to give, it was no dive, Walcott was ruined and broken man before the bout had begun.

[TBooze]

Some what infamously lately, Michael Gomez....

Of course Derrick Dukes took a dive

Bruce 'The Mouse' Strauss

[roscoe]

I think Spinks could of got up against tyson. Mighten have ended any different but he certainly put on a show trying to get up. Seldon against bowe, oscar against hopkins - never seen a fighter so relieved the fight was over as oscae was.

[spion]

I think Spinks could of got up against tyson. Mighten have ended any different but he certainly put on a show trying to get up. Seldon against bowe, oscar against hopkins - never seen a fighter so relieved the fight was over as oscae was.

Yeah, Oscar feigning a liver punch and moments later pounding the canvas with the same arm that would normally be held against the rib cage after getting tagged like that.

How bout poor Emmanuel Augustus...
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[Mendoza]

Who are some of the fighters that have made you think that they got counted out on purpose even though they put on a big acting job. It coulb be because they just don't want it anymore, were getting embarrassed, didn't have anything left in the tank, just came for the payday or thought that it was just too much trouble to continue in their particular fight. Doesn't always have to be the obvious like Bruce Seldon vs. Mike Tyson.

Clifford Etienne vs Tyson. The set up fight to get Tyson to the Lewis match. It was a disgrace. Etienne stood infront ot Tyson until Tyson landed a haymaker, took the count, smiled and left $800,000.00 richer.

Prior to the fight Tyson leaked out his back was in poor shape. Perhaps to keep the odds low.

[klompton]

Buster Douglas against Holyfield, Walcott -marciano 2, Liston- Ali 2, Arguello -Pryor 2, Tyson -McBride, Orlin Norris -Tyson (Norris faked that injury, you can hear his corner say to him between rounds "stay down, we'll get another fight" i.e. more money. I would say Seldon against Tyson but that guy was chinny as hell. All of his KO losses look weak.

[lefthook31]

I think Spinks could of got up against tyson. Mighten have ended any different but he certainly put on a show trying to get up. Seldon against bowe, oscar against hopkins - never seen a fighter so relieved the fight was over as oscae was.

Hehe maybe you need to watch that fight again. Spinks eyes rolled back in his head like a slot machine. Tyson at his best.

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[HomicideHenry]

I think still to this day Tex Cobb took a dive against Dee Collier, there's no way in hell a guy like Dee could have knocked out Cobb in one round, when no one else, even in his 40's, couldnt.

[klompton]

I disagree with the Etienne-Tyson fight. When I first watched it in real time I thought it looked super suspicious but when you watch it in slow motion Etienne got hit with a killer punch and Etienne had a super weak chin. As for him standing in front of Tyson: Thats all he did! Thats how he fought! Look at his fights with Clay-Bey, Brewster, Oquendo, Botha, etc etc. He was just a come forward volume puncher whose chin was exposed against Oquendo and Botha and taken advantage of by Tyson.

[Mendoza]

I disagree with the Etienne-Tyson fight. When I first watched it in real time I thought it looked super suspicious but when you watch it in slow motion Etienne got hit with a killer punch and Etienne had a super weak chin. As for him standing in front of Tyson: Thats all he did! Thats how he fought! Look at his fights with Clay-Bey, Brewster, Oquendo, Botha, etc etc. He was just a come forward volume puncher whose chin was exposed against Oquendo and Botha and taken advantage of by Tyson.

The best way to sell a fix is to stand there and get clocked. Who stands toe to toe with Tyson?

Prior to the fight, Tyson was saying his back was out, and then there was a report of some motor accident. This might have been done to make the gamblers who thought Tyson was already shot give Eitenne a chance.

Etienne's role was to get KO'd, and collect his pay day. His smile after the ref finished the count to me was suspicious. The funny thing was Tyson got cut by a punch.

It is probably that Tyson was in more than one fixed fight.

[lefthook31]

The best way to sell a fix is to stand there and get clocked. Who stands toe to toe with Tyson?

Prior to the fight, Tyson was saying his back was out, and then there was a report of some motor accident. This might have been done to make the gamblers who thought Tyson was already shot give Eitenne a chance.

Etienne's role was to get KO'd, and collect his pay day. His smile after the ref finished the count to me was suspicious. The funny thing was Tyson got cut by a punch.

It is probably that Tyson was in more than one fixed fight.
So your saying Tysons opponents purposely got knocked out to fix the fights and make Tyson look good??. Just a total joke! I remember reading a boxing publication where a lot of the experts were saying Etienne would win and he was just the fighter at the right time to beat Mike. Of course after Tyson stretched him, everyone said Etienne had no chin.

[round15]

Spinks took a 13.5 million dollar reason to dive against Tyson.

Liston was controlled by the mob, and anyone who watched the second fight with Ali, knew he took a dive. Liston rolled over and looked as if he was going to get up from the punch, but changed his mind seconds later and prefered to be counted out.

[he grant]

Liston in Ali 2 ...

Gans v.s. McGovern ...

Graziano in final bout with Chuck Davey ...

Langford held back many times ...

[Mendoza]

So your saying Tysons opponents purposely got knocked out to fix the fights and make Tyson look good??. Just a total joke! I remember reading a boxing publication where a lot of the experts were saying Etienne would win and he was just the fighter at the right time to beat Mike. Of course after Tyson stretched him, everyone said Etienne had no chin.

This was the set up for for Lewis. A lot of money was at steak. Etienne was an x-con, who was singed up for an $800,000 pay day. His career was going nowhere. Yes-- I think the fix was in here.

Very few of Tyson's opponents lost un-purpose, but I believe Etienne was one of them. Tyson's interview after the fight was pathetic.

[lefthook31]

This was the set up for for Lewis. A lot of money was at steak. Etienne was an x-con, who was singed up for an $800,000 pay day. His career was going nowhere. Yes-- I think the fix was in here.

Very few of Tyson's opponents lost un-purpose, but I believe Etienne was one of them. Tyson's interview after the fight was pathetic.
Tyson didnt want to fight Etienne or Lewis. He got the nasty facial tattoo a week before the fight, and bit Lewis during the press conference. Personally I thought Tyson would have little problem with Etienne because of his chin. If you watch the fight, Etienne got in a slugging match with Tyson, and his leg was about broken off as he fell backwards. Maybe Etienne could have gotten up, but he got nailed by a solid shot, it takes a few seconds to come back to earth, 10 seconds is nothing.

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[Jear]

I find it odd that Liston was on his feet fighting when the second Ali fight was stopped. Also Jose Torres claims he was still using smelling salts in the dressing room afterwards.

[TBooze]

I find it odd that Liston was on his feet fighting when the second Ali fight was stopped. Also Jose Torres claims he was still using smelling salts in the dressing room afterwards.

Nat Fleischer was timekeeper for the Ali/Liston rematch and he hated Liston (more than he did Ali, sorry Clay ;)), and used Walcott's inexperience as ref to his advantage and told Joe to stop it, as he (Nat) had counted to ten.

Watch the film as Walcott leans out the ring and takes Nat's advice as Ali and Liston begin boxing once more.....

[heehoo]

Emanuel Augustus vs. Vester

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[MRBILL]

Argulleo vs Pryor 2 for me as much as it sadddens me to say it

NO! Arguello did NOT take a dive.... That was a "Sit-Out" call from A.A. upon getting his ass kicked hard for 9 rds of warrior action....... Arguello was legitimately beaten by Pryor in 1983 out in Vegas......
:deal:bbb

MR.BILL:thumbsup

[Chris Warren]

Ya Im sure that FLUSH right hand marciano hit walcott sqaure on the jaw with in slow motion replay didnt have anything to do with it.


You know SusieQ will always try to find a excuse for Marciano. Walcott clearly took a dive. He waited till the ref counted to 10 then got right up.

[Jear]

Nat Fleischer was timekeeper for the Ali/Liston rematch and he hated Liston (more than he did Ali, sorry Clay ;)), and used Walcott's inexperience as ref to his advantage and told Joe to stop it, as he (Nat) had counted to ten.

Watch the film as Walcott leans out the ring and takes Nat's advice as Ali and Liston begin boxing once more.....


Was Fleischer actually the timekeeper? I always thought he was just ringside and told Walcott Liston was out. I know they start fighting again when Walcott turns away, Liston still looks a bit shaky when they do

[Maxmomer]

I think that disrespects both Jersey Joe and Rocky.

Walcott was an old 38 and had been though hell against Marciano in fight one, also getting to Valhalla, he had nothing left to give, it was no dive, Walcott was ruined and broken man before the bout had begun.

Like you said, he had nothing left to give. He was old, and had just gone through the most bruising battle of his entire career. Why not stay down for the count?

[Maxmomer]

Ya Im sure that FLUSH right hand marciano hit walcott sqaure on the jaw with in slow motion replay didnt have anything to do with it.


You know SusieQ will always try to find a excuse for Marciano. Walcott clearly took a dive. He waited till the ref counted to 10 then got right up.

Rocky punched Walcott, Walcott went down and decided not to get up even though he probably could have. The knockdown was legit, but I don't give Marciano all that much credit for the win.

[TheGreatA]

Ya Im sure that FLUSH right hand marciano hit walcott sqaure on the jaw with in slow motion replay didnt have anything to do with it.


You know SusieQ will always try to find a excuse for Marciano. Walcott clearly took a dive. He waited till the ref counted to 10 then got right up.

Walcott claimed that the referee's count was too fast.

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[rusty nails]

Buster Douglas against Holyfield, Walcott -marciano 2, Liston- Ali 2, Arguello -Pryor 2, Tyson -McBride, Orlin Norris -Tyson (Norris faked that injury, you can hear his corner say to him between rounds "stay down, we'll get another fight" i.e. more money. I would say Seldon against Tyson but that guy was chinny as hell. All of his KO losses look weak.


yeah that was disgusting.. ive got no doubt he could have continued.
he looked like he might as well have been reading a book in the corner.
they disrespected the paying audience.
but the sad part is he was actually doing quite well in the fight.

[mcvey]

Who are some of the fighters that have made you think that they got counted out on purpose even though they put on a big acting job. It coulb be because they just don't want it anymore, were getting embarrassed, didn't have anything left in the tank, just came for the payday or thought that it was just too much trouble to continue in their particular fight. Doesn't always have to be the obvious like Bruce Seldon vs. Mike Tyson.

Sharkey against Carnera.
Both the Stribling Carnera fights were intentional foul -outs.
Douglas v Holyfield
Seldon v Tyson

[Arminius]

Leonard Duran II. Duran was never hurt and was barely behind on points. Stomach cramps or mocking given as reasons, really?

[GPater11093]

Tyson didnt want to fight Etienne or Lewis. He got the nasty facial tattoo a week before the fight, and bit Lewis during the press conference. Personally I thought Tyson would have little problem with Etienne because of his chin. If you watch the fight, Etienne got in a slugging match with Tyson, and his leg was about broken off as he fell backwards. Maybe Etienne could have gotten up, but he got nailed by a solid shot, it takes a few seconds to come back to earth, 10 seconds is nothing.

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thats a brutal KO no way a dive

Emanuel Augustus vs. Vester

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thats definitly a dive ( i know someone posted this earlier but i forgot to quote it and coulnt be bothered going back to get it but found this one)

NO! Arguello did NOT take a dive.... That was a "Sit-Out" call from A.A. upon getting his ass kicked hard for 9 rds of warrior action....... Arguello was legitimately beaten by Pryor in 1983 out in Vegas......
:deal:bbb

MR.BILL:thumbsup

he decided to take the sit out which is a personal dive, he could have continued but he would have been stopped IMO he had no reason to continue he had proven himself and he knew then he couldnt beat Pryor and thought to stop before ether of them get hurt as it was a brutal 2 fights

Pryor won a great fight that night i am not taking anything away from
him

Was Fleischer actually the timekeeper? I always thought he was just ringside and told Walcott Liston was out. I know they start fighting again when Walcott turns away, Liston still looks a bit shaky when they do

Fleisher was just keeping time he wasnt the officail time keeper he just told Walcott he was down for more than 10 seconds, as you seee Walcott turn and look at him as the fighting continues

Leonard Duran II. Duran was never hurt and was barely behind on points. Stomach cramps or mocking given as reasons, really?

good one i think he was just frustrated by Leonard and at that point in his mind it was the most macho thing he could do

[CottoDaBodykill]

Ya Im sure that FLUSH right hand marciano hit walcott sqaure on the jaw with in slow motion replay didnt have anything to do with it. :roll:
calm down buddy ... nobody is making fun of your fucking hero rocky ...

it was something i read once that had to do with the sonny liston ali 2 fight ... talking about how fighters get older .. and just go down rather then get embarressed and beat up again ... and the wallcot fight was mentioned ...

learn how to use title bout simulator without getting all confused before you come argueing with me

[Bigcat]

Buster Douglas against Holyfield, Walcott -marciano 2, Liston- Ali 2, Arguello -Pryor 2, Tyson -McBride, Orlin Norris -Tyson (Norris faked that injury, you can hear his corner say to him between rounds "stay down, we'll get another fight" i.e. more money. I would say Seldon against Tyson but that guy was chinny as hell. All of his KO losses look weak.


I was at the Norris fight and had been around him for years.... the injury was honestly legit, he had a long history of knee problems, his loss to TNT Tubbs was because of a similar injury a few years prior.. Norris twisted his knee slipping on canvas , and it never corrected itself.. Mike hit Orlin as he was kneeling and turned his knee as he fell forward.. i saw him in dressing room , he was in agony and was in great shape for Tyson too.. That was not a fake although i see why u may have thought it.. Orlin did have a chronic knee problem and it occurred in 3 of his biggest fights..

[mcvey]

Was Fleischer actually the timekeeper? I always thought he was just ringside and told Walcott Liston was out. I know they start fighting again when Walcott turns away, Liston still looks a bit shaky when they do

Fleischer was sitting next to the timekeeper, he had NO official role in the fight ,he just drew Walcott's attention tot he fact that the timekeeper had counted past ten over Liston.Walcott, prior to the fight neglected to ascertain where the timekeeper was sitting,got caught up in trying to get Clay/Ali to a neutral corner and lost all track of the count, in short he blew it.Liston claimed he could have gotten up in time but was waiting for Walcott to remove Clay from his near vicinity,so he could get up without being exposed to another shot ala Dempsey fashion.

[klompton]

how can you say that by standing toe to toe Etienne threw the fight to Tyson?? Thats how Etienne fought? Have you ever seen any of his fights other than Tyson? The guy wasnt a cutie or a boxer he was a charge forward pressure fighter who tried to bull guys into the ropes and corners and land tons of punches. He wasnt a big banger and had a weak chin. In short he was a tailor made for Tyson. The only fix was made when they got him to sign his name to the contract. After that it was all Tyson based strictly on styles not shady back room dealings of which you have NO proof...

[klompton]

BTW you keep saying that Etienne/Tyson was to set up the Lewis match. Tyson and Lewis fought BEFORE the Etienne fight...

[heehoo]

Etienne vs. Tyson was not a dive.

That hard right hand that Tyson threw landed flush on Etienne's chin.

Etienne did not take a dive, he's just felt Tyson's power and thought to himself "Enough of this".

[Russell]

I was at the Norris fight and had been around him for years.... the injury was honestly legit, he had a long history of knee problems, his loss to TNT Tubbs was because of a similar injury a few years prior.. Norris twisted his knee slipping on canvas , and it never corrected itself.. Mike hit Orlin as he was kneeling and turned his knee as he fell forward.. i saw him in dressing room , he was in agony and was in great shape for Tyson too.. That was not a fake although i see why u may have thought it.. Orlin did have a chronic knee problem and it occurred in 3 of his biggest fights..

Yeah, the exact same thing happened in the Cooper fight.

Fake my ass.

[klompton]

I was at the Norris fight and had been around him for years.... the injury was honestly legit, he had a long history of knee problems, his loss to TNT Tubbs was because of a similar injury a few years prior.. Norris twisted his knee slipping on canvas , and it never corrected itself.. Mike hit Orlin as he was kneeling and turned his knee as he fell forward.. i saw him in dressing room , he was in agony and was in great shape for Tyson too.. That was not a fake although i see why u may have thought it.. Orlin did have a chronic knee problem and it occurred in 3 of his biggest fights..


Whatever, he got knocked down, got up and walked calmly back to his corner with no limp no nothing. In his corner you can clearly hear his people tell him to stay down that he will get another match with Tyson, the implication being more money. Norris, meanwhile, looks embarrassed as hell. The whole thing stank and Norris knew it. Tyson said it himself in the post fight interview when he said Norris started to feel that heat and took the easy way out. Are you also going to tell me he didnt take a dive against Klitchko? Like Norris was some sterling golden child or something? Please!

[klompton]

Yeah, the exact same thing happened in the Cooper fight.

Fake my ass.

Yeah, funny how it happened when Cooper, another puncher, was giving it to Norris.

[klompton]

I just watched the Tyson-Norris fight again and anyone who says Norris isnt faking that injury is crazy as hell. He walks normally back to his corner and paces back and forth before even sitting down. While hes sitting there his manager is screaming from ringside for him to stay down that Tyson should be disqualified. You can see Norris and hes getting instructions from his trainer, he never once says anything about his knee until AFTER he decides to stay down for the round via his managers instructions (who Norris keeps looking over his shoulder to). They were trying to get a DQ win for Norris and another payday. All I can say is if you were indeed in his dressing room and with him for years then you are obviously biased and were privvy to what was going on which was a travesty IMO.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Emanuel Augustus vs. Vester

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That one's absolutely hilarious!

Augustus later lasted 9 of 10 with Floyd - obviously didn't do it the same way though!

[SuzieQ49]

calm down buddy ... nobody is making fun of your fucking hero rocky ...

You just said Walcott took a dive against marciano, which is preposterous considering rocky knocked him down with a legite punch. so how can that be a dive if he is knocked down by a legite punch?


ps I dont have any heroes. and I like Sonny Liston and Joe Louis just as much as I like Marciano, it just no one critisizes Liston around here and Rocky gets all the beef.

[Russell]

That one's absolutely hilarious!

Augustus later lasted 9 of 10 with Floyd - obviously didn't do it the same way though!

He was getting shit from the ref all night. Typical hometown crap.

He just wanted out of there. He wouldn't of gotten the decision anyway and he knew it.

[ThinBlack]

Even though Michael Dokes looked sharp against Lynn Ball, Ball looked like he layed down a little.

[mcvey]

Nat Fleischer was timekeeper for the Ali/Liston rematch and he hated Liston (more than he did Ali, sorry Clay ;)), and used Walcott's inexperience as ref to his advantage and told Joe to stop it, as he (Nat) had counted to ten.

Watch the film as Walcott leans out the ring and takes Nat's advice as Ali and Liston begin boxing once more.....

No he wasnt,Walcott an inexperienced referee neglected to apprise himself of where the timekeeper was sitting before hand. All Fleisher did was draw Walcott's attention to the fact that the timekeeper had counted past 10,and that therefore the fight was over.
Fleischer hated Ali ? Then how come he refused to strip him of the ttile when he wouldnt accept the draft? Fleischer in the face of considerable opposition and pressure continued to recognize Ali as Champion,"until he gets his day in court".You are way off base.

[PetethePrince]

Tyson didnt want to fight Etienne or Lewis.

At the time, or in general? For Lewis not Et because I get the tattoo thing.

As for Tyson. He wanted Lewis to make the millions (According to him).

[KOTF]

Witherspoon-Bonecrusher Smith II

[PetethePrince]

Walcott claimed that the referee's count was too fast.

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Walcott also claimed that he blacked out from 5-9/10. You can also see he seems fine then looks befuddled on the ground.

[PetethePrince]

BTW you keep saying that Etienne/Tyson was to set up the Lewis match. Tyson and Lewis fought BEFORE the Etienne fight...

Nice catch :good

[TheGreatA]

No he wasnt,Walcott an inexperienced referee neglected to apprise himself of where the timekeeper was sitting before hand. All Fleisher did was draw Walcott's attention to the fact that the timekeeper had counted past 10,and that therefore the fight was over.
Fleischer hated Ali ? Then how come he refused to strip him of the ttile when he wouldnt accept the draft? Fleischer in the face of considerable opposition and pressure continued to recognize Ali as Champion,"until he gets his day in court".You are way off base.

I also don't think Fleischer hated Ali but I think keeping Ali as the champ was simply a matter of tradition. The only way a champion should lose his belt is in the ring or if he wishes to vacate it.

The referee is not obliged to pick up the timekeeper's count. It's the referee's count that matters, and Walcott never gave Liston a count.

[Lefty Supremacy]

Morales - Pacquiao III.

I died a little inside that night...

[Titan1]

Greg Page against Mark Wills, first time out.

[mcvey]

Nat Fleischer was timekeeper for the Ali/Liston rematch and he hated Liston (more than he did Ali, sorry Clay ;)), and used Walcott's inexperience as ref to his advantage and told Joe to stop it, as he (Nat) had counted to ten.

Watch the film as Walcott leans out the ring and takes Nat's advice as Ali and Liston begin boxing once more.....

Fleischer attended the fight as a journalist ,he had no official capacity what so ever.

[johnmaff36]

Spinks took a 13.5 million dollar reason to dive against Tyson.

Liston was controlled by the mob, and anyone who watched the second fight with Ali, knew he took a dive. Liston rolled over and looked as if he was going to get up from the punch, but changed his mind seconds later and prefered to be counted out.
Why would he take a '13.5 million reason to dive' when he gets paid either way and woulda made gazillions had he won? Im not buying that at all. Spinks was KO'd pretty badly if you look at his face lying there.

Not nit-picking here mate but Liston was not lying down prefering to be counted out. He was up with his back to the ropes as Ali began to unload when Walcott came back over to call off the fight.

I honestly think Witherspoon threw his title away against Bonecrusher and that Douglas was more than capable of getting up against Holy

[Foreman Hook]

VS Tyson - [Fighters you think took a personal dive]

Berbik
Thomas
Spinks
Tubbs
Holmes
Steward
Karl Williams
Tillmen
McNealy
Seldon
Norris
Ettiene

mAybe not ALL of them - BUT they all lucked sucpiscous :deal :deal

[Swarmer]

Benny Leonard fouling himself out by hitting a man who was downed.

Dempsey-Flynn I

Joe Gans several times in his career

Ali-Liston II

De La Hoya-Hopkins

[Jersey Joe]

Ya Im sure that FLUSH right hand marciano hit walcott sqaure on the jaw with in slow motion replay didnt have anything to do with it. :roll:

If it was that then he wouldn't have got up 1 second later. Personally I always thought this was a bit dodgy, Walcott is clearly ok by about 4 seconds and gets up just a fraction late, he even turns to the ref looking surprised at the stoppage:

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Maybe he was a bit befuddled and just made a mistake, but he was clearly not "out".

[klompton]

VS Tyson - [Fighters you think took a personal dive]

Berbik
Thomas
Spinks
Tubbs
Holmes
Steward
Karl Williams
Tillmen
McNealy
Seldon
Norris
Ettiene

mAybe not ALL of them - BUT they all lucked sucpiscous :deal :deal


This coming from the guy who thinks Tyson lost to Tilllis, now all these other fights are dives. Most of these fights were pretty emphatic KO victories. Brebick? Who the fuck takes a fake dive like Berbick? That guy was obviously in no shape to continue. Holmes almost choked on his mouthpiece when he was brutally stopped. McNeeley was stopped because his corner jumped into the ring to stop it for him, not anything he did, hardly a personal dive. Thomas was a pretty vicious beat down, and Spinks got blitzed. He was done. The only one of those that I see a clear argument for is Seldon and like I said above Seldon was extremely chinny and all of his stoppage losses look pretty pathetic.

[Stevie G]

Who are some of the fighters that have made you think that they got counted out on purpose even though they put on a big acting job. It coulb be because they just don't want it anymore, were getting embarrassed, didn't have anything left in the tank, just came for the payday or thought that it was just too much trouble to continue in their particular fight. Doesn't always have to be the obvious like Bruce Seldon vs. Mike Tyson.
The only dive I've actually seen in a ring,is by that headcase who gatecrashed the party during Bowe-Holyfield 2. :lol: Liston was intimidated big time during his second fight with Ali. Jack Johnson's sleep in the Havana sunshine was always suspect,as has been well documented.

[Tonifranz]

Clifford Etienne vs Tyson. The set up fight to get Tyson to the Lewis match. It was a disgrace. Etienne stood infront ot Tyson until Tyson landed a haymaker, took the count, smiled and left $800,000.00 richer.

Prior to the fight Tyson leaked out his back was in poor shape. Perhaps to keep the odds low.

How could the Etienne fight be a set up for the Lewis match when it happened after the Lewis match?

Tyson Lewis 2002
Tyson Etienne 2003

[Monte Fisto]

timed it with a stopwatch...10 seconds on the dot

[The Mongoose]

Lennox Lewis/Vitali Klistchko was a botched dive.

-An ancient Lennox Lewis clearly had no desire to fight or win anymore, it was his plan to go easy on Vitali and pass the torch this night so he could retire at peace. He showed up grotesquely obese as he had not been in the gym since the Tyson fight and was nice enough to pretend Vitali's slaps were hurting him.

But to his surprise, Vitali couldn't follow through with the fix, he kept walking into pulled punches and getting badly damaged. The pathetic Vitali could barely stand and Lennox is clearly holding him up in the final rounds. Lewis decided "the hell with a good show" and was ready to take the dive when Vitali's corner began applying butterfly stitches, forcing the stoppage. Disgraceful, I'm surprised there wasn't an investigation. :-(

[klompton]

Ha! Lewis had to pretend punches hurt him, LOL. Cause that iron jaw he had just couldnt be dented...

[john garfield]

Who are some of the fighters that have made you think that they got counted out on purpose even though they put on a big acting job. It coulb be because they just don't want it anymore, were getting embarrassed, didn't have anything left in the tank, just came for the payday or thought that it was just too much trouble to continue in their particular fight. Doesn't always have to be the obvious like Bruce Seldon vs. Mike Tyson.

Do you mean guys who did business or phoned-it-in, s?

[ricardoparker93]

Pacquiao vs Morales III is one i remember. Erik could have got up but there would have been no point.

[Big N Bad]

Who are some of the fighters that have made you think that they got counted out on purpose even though they put on a big acting job. It coulb be because they just don't want it anymore, were getting embarrassed, didn't have anything left in the tank, just came for the payday or thought that it was just too much trouble to continue in their particular fight. Doesn't always have to be the obvious like Bruce Seldon vs. Mike Tyson.

if you watch tyson-seldon, mike his bruce real hard with the first right hand. i dont think it was a dive, he just got beat down