Does Hatton deserve to go above Hopkins P4P if he beats Pac?

[JonOli]

Does Hatton deserve to go above Hopkins - P4P - if he beats Pac?

*Hopkins is currently no.3*


Hatton's last 9 fights

1 Manny Pacquiao W P4P no 1 - ATG - HOF - PRIME - smaller guy.
2 Paul Malignaggi ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) W NO 1 Ring JWW contender
3 Juan Lazcano ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) W Comback fight
4 Floyd Mayweather Jr ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) LOSS P4P no1 - ATG - HOF - PRIME
5 Jose Luis Castillo ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) W P4P no7 - later shown to be shot
6 Juan Urango ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) W IBF title holder - now chasing WW's
7 Luis Collazo ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) W Makes Hatton a two weight champ
8 Carlos Maussa ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) W Unification fight at JWW
9 Kostya Tszyu ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) W P4P no 3 - HOF


Hopkin's last 9 fights

1 Kelly Pavlik ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) W p4p top ten - Prime - smaller guy
2 Joe Calzaghe ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) LOSS
3 Ronald Wright ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) W p4p top ten - smaller guy - Welter Weight Paul Williams 19 months later wipes the floor with him - though its a relatively inactive version.
4 Antonio Tarver ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) W The only guy from a bigger weight class Hopkins has ever beat in his whole career! Tarver is Ring champ. Tarver is draining off the back of the Hollywood Rocky movie. Dawson later wipes the floor with the same guy too.
5 Jermain Taylor ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) LOSS
6 Jermain Taylor ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) LOSS
7 Howard Eastman ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) W
8 Oscar De La Hoya ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) W
9 Robert Allen W

[Cobbler]

Sure he does. But I do tend to put more weight on actual beating people in the boxing ring, whereas others may put more weight on 'ability' and 'nice hair'.

[trotter]

Just looking at those fights then I think yes.

But p4p is subjective, that's the whole point of it, a theoretical talking point. So I wouldn't argue too much if anyone disagreed.

[nulty]

The Taylor fights and the Calzaghe fight are debatable though. I personally think Bhop is 1-1 with Taylor and imo Joe just beat him but I wouldn't call anyone who scored it for Hopkins an idiot.

P4P who's the better fighter? Bhop imo.

[D-MAC]

Does Hatton deserve to go above Hopkins - P4P - if he beats Pac?

*Hopkins is currently no.3*


Hatton's last 9 fights

1 Manny Pacquiao W P4P no 1 - ATG - HOF - PRIME - smaller guy.
2 Paul Malignaggi ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) W NO 1 Ring JWW contender
3 Juan Lazcano ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) W Comback fight
4 Floyd Mayweather Jr ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) LOSS P4P no1 - ATG - HOF - PRIME
5 Jose Luis Castillo ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) W P4P no7 - later shown to be shot
6 Juan Urango ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) W IBF title holder - now chasing WW's
7 Luis Collazo ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) W Makes Hatton a two weight champ
8 Carlos Maussa ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) W Unification fight at JWW
9 Kostya Tszyu ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) W P4P no 3 - HOF


Hopkin's last 9 fights

1 Kelly Pavlik ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) W p4p top ten - Prime - smaller guy
2 Joe Calzaghe ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) LOSS
3 Ronald Wright ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) W p4p top ten - smaller guy - Welter Weight Paul Williams 19 months later wipes the floor with him - though relatively inactive version.
4 Antonio Tarver ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) W The only guy from a bigger weight class Hopkins has ever beat in his whole career! Tarver is Ring champ. Tarver is draining off the back of the Hollywood Rocky movie. Dawson later wipes the floor with the same guy too.
5 Jermain Taylor ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) LOSS
6 Jermain Taylor ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) LOSS
7 Howard Eastman ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) W
8 Oscar De La Hoya ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) W
9 Robert Allen W

It all depends on the manner of victory I suppose.

A devastating mid rounds KO after having dominated the early going looks good and elevates Hatton higher than a ugly hit-and-hold dodgy looking split decision would.

Just look at Rafael Marquez: he's lost his last two and hasn't fought in well over a year, but he still pops up in a lot of people's P-4-P lists. Its the manner of defeat in his last two fights with Vasquez that keep him high up on the list. It works the same way with wins.

If we are looking at a direct head-2-head comparison between Hopkins and Hatton, then we have to take into account that the two Taylor losses were disputed, Hopkins was an underdog against both Tarver and Pavlik but schooled them both (manner of victory), Winky was a almost a pick-em type fight, and he lost a tight decision while underdog against Calzaghe.

I don't think Ricky's resume has been as impressive; underdog against both Kostya and PBF - stoppage victory in one (which looks good) but a stoppage loss in another (which looks bad). Couple that with an ugly win against Urango and a mildly disputed one against Collazo and things don't look that rosy. Paulie was the No.2 in the division and that scalp looks good, but it can't be ignored that he had struggled badly in previous fights leading up to the Hatton one.


As I said manner of victory will be key to Hatton's elevation, but I'm not too sure if he can go above Hopkins under any scenario. In the fights listed Hopkins may have lost more, but he faced superior competition and each loss was disputed (the Taylor ones more so than the Calzaghe one)

[box-now]

Yes I def think he should go abouve Hopkins, Hatton has only ever lost to the real p4p king in Mayweather.

[TheUzi]

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I don't think Ricky's resume has been as impressive; underdog against both Kostya and PBF - stoppage victory in one (which looks good) but a stoppage loss in another (which looks bad). Couple that with an ugly win against Urango and a mildly disputed one against Collazo and things don't look that rosy. Paulie was the No.2 in the division and that scalp looks good, but it can't be ignored that he had struggled badly in previous fights leading up to the Hatton one.

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I thought his performance against Urango was tremendous.