The same old story

[trotter]

I'm still shocked at the utter lack of professionalism on display last night. Shocked. He went out early, he went out cold, he wasn't greased up, the fight itself was abysmal.

Add that to a rift in camp and you've got a total shambles with nobody controlling matters.


Ricky openly dissented against Graham pre- Floyd fight, refused to box as Graham asked and then after allegedly sidelining him against Lazcano he sacked him

And now he's fallen out with Floyd who was quick to hint that the training was in his opinion not up to scratch and that Ricky wouldn't listen to him. It seems he was sidelined too by the end of camp.


People will point the finger at Floyd but there is a pattern emerging here and it's Ricky at the centre of it.


In my opinion all this makes Graham look a bigger man, he's kept his counsel, when the truth might just be that Hatton has become an untrainable monster.


He was always losing that fight last night but he gave himself no chance of even making it competitive.

It looks like the same old story of a fighter getting too big for their boots, surrounding themselves with yes men and deserting the people who helped make them.

[Tuffnutz]

It could have been Hatton at his best and he still would have been flattended because the truth is that the boy was never that good.

He's a world class fighter but just a good one.

You can really pick apart Hattons career and this loss to Pacquiao is terrible.

[1stcontact]

You could tell something was up, his entire family looked nervous pre-fight, especially his fiance she was in tears before the fight had even started

[trotter]

It could have been Hatton at his best and he still would have been flattended because the truth is that the boy was never that good.

He's a world class fighter but just a good one.

You can really pick apart Hattons career and this loss to Pacquiao is terrible.


I agree with the thrust of your argument - he is simply not in the class of Floyd and Pac. After Tszyu we didn't know how good he could be. But five years on we do. No shame in that.

And he would've lost to Pac every time Tuffie but you really telling me Hatton at his best loses like that?

I don't think so, I honestly don't.

[scurlaruntings]

You could tell something was up, his entire family looked nervous pre-fight, especially his fiance she was in tears before the fight had even startedBecause they knew there boy wasnt good enough. No point in blaming the camp Hatton just simply wasnt and never has been good enough. Belief isnt enough in this game. You bare your soul when you enters those ropes. Watching Hatton vs Pac was like watching a caveman with his bow an arrow vs a Sherman Tank. The WBU years finally caught. I for one feel very exhonerated.

[scurlaruntings]

I agree with the thrust of your argument - he is simply not in the class of Floyd and Pac. After Tszyu we didn't know how good he could be. But five years on we do. No shame in that.

And he would've lost to Pac every time Tuffie but you really telling me Hatton at his best loses like that?

I don't think so, I honestly don't.Twice he made the step up. Twice he failed miserably. When 140 was stacked 8 years ago Hatton fought NO ONE in the top 140. He went for the big cheese and fought a fighter who had one foot in retirement and has been living off that win ever since. Lazcano Urango Mallinaggi etc are NOT the path to glory. Look at Manny's last 6 opponents bearing in mind he's a flyweight moving up and then look at Hattons. Its shambolic.

[threethirteen]

A simple look between Tyszu and Pacquaio tells you everything you need to know about Hatton's greatness. If the best you can manage is a KO over a completely shot Castillo and victories against no-hopers like Urango and Malignaggi then you can't think you'll beat a genuine prime elite like Mayweather and Pacquiao.

And surprise, surprise - he didn't. I'm glad.

[Kid Lucky]

Twice he made the step up. Twice he failed miserably. When 140 was stacked 8 years ago Hatton fought NO ONE in the top 140. He went for the big cheese and fought a fighter who had one foot in retirement and has been living off that win ever since. Lazcano Urango Mallinaggi etc are NOT the path to glory. Look at Manny's last 6 opponents bearing in mind he's a flyweight moving up and then look at Hattons. Its shambolic.

I agree that this puts the lid on Hatton's level - as do the fights you've mentioned plus Castillo who was also shot and a lightweight and Maussa who was one of the worst champions I've ever seen. He got hurt by Lazcano, Urango and barely survived against Collazo too.

To have made that much money and had that many big fights here and in the US is hardly shambollic though. Fair play to him for going over there several times and laying it on the line against PBF and Pacman even if on both occasions he fell so short.

[trotter]

Twice he made the step up. Twice he failed miserably. When 140 was stacked 8 years ago Hatton fought NO ONE in the top 140. He went for the big cheese and fought a fighter who had one foot in retirement and has been living off that win ever since. Lazcano Urango Mallinaggi etc are NOT the path to glory. Look at Manny's last 6 opponents bearing in mind he's a flyweight moving up and then look at Hattons. Its shambolic.

It's not shambolic. It is what it is.

The record of a world level operator who was a bit short at the true top level.

He's only lost to two all time greats but he lost comprehensively both times. He isn't close to that kind of class.


Your argument that he dodged everyone when 140 was stacked is a joke. Stacked with who?

[TBooze]

Hatton was caught and knocked out, it happens sometimes when you are dealing with fighters the level of Paciquao.

We know there were rumours pre fight about trouble in the camp, maybe that did cause problems, I do not know.

But it should not take away from an awesome performance by Manny, and Hatton now has to decide where to go from here.

To comeback with all them Millions in the bank will be hard.

[trotter]

I thought he should've quit after Floyd, but fair play, he wanted another go

He'll never get a clearer answer than he got last night - he won't achieve any more than he already has

Time to quit

[threethirteen]

He wasn't caught - he was timed. Manny just had the speed, the tools and the space to make Hatton pay. That was one of the worst performances I've seen by a British fighter. No head movement, no lateral movement - he just walked on in and got laid out.

[toom]

Ricky could have entred covered from head to toe in axle grease, wearing thermal long lohn johns and dripping with sweat, and would still have been beaten by a better fighter. I'd like to see him fight Khan though, that could be very interesting.

[scurlaruntings]

It's not shambolic. It is what it is.

The record of a world level operator who was a bit short at the true top level.

He's only lost to two all time greats but he lost comprehensively both times. He isn't close to that kind of class.


Your argument that he dodged everyone when 140 was stacked is a joke. Stacked with who?Go and have a look at the "Rings" rankings and the article they ran on the 140lb division 8 years ago. When you`ve done that you come see me. Fair weather fans.:roll:

[trotter]

Go and have a look at the "Rings" rankings and the article they ran on the 140lb division 8 years ago. When you`ve done that you come see me. Fair weather fans.:roll:

Nah I'll stick to my own judgements rather than regurgitate what the Ring tells me, cheers all the same

Do you even know what fair weather means?

[sam1222]

[quote=Tuffnutz;3947588]It could have been Hatton at his best and he still would have been flattended because the truth is that the boy was never that good.

He's a world class fighter but just a good one.

agreed :good

[Olu G. Rotimi]

I'm still shocked at the utter lack of professionalism on display last night. Shocked. He went out early, he went out cold, he wasn't greased up, the fight itself was abysmal.

Add that to a rift in camp and you've got a total shambles with nobody controlling matters.


Ricky openly dissented against Graham pre- Floyd fight, refused to box as Graham asked and then after allegedly sidelining him against Lazcano he sacked him

And now he's fallen out with Floyd who was quick to hint that the training was in his opinion not up to scratch and that Ricky wouldn't listen to him. It seems he was sidelined too by the end of camp.


People will point the finger at Floyd but there is a pattern emerging here and it's Ricky at the centre of it.


In my opinion all this makes Graham look a bigger man, he's kept his counsel, when the truth might just be that Hatton has become an untrainable monster.


He was always losing that fight last night but he gave himself no chance of even making it competitive.

It looks like the same old story of a fighter getting too big for their boots, surrounding themselves with yes men and deserting the people who helped make them.


No excuses should be made Hatton was exposed again last night. He cannot deal with skilled speedy southpaws who have lateral movement. He would lose everyday of the week to Pacman and twice on Sundays.

[scurlaruntings]

Nah I'll stick to my own judgements rather than regurgitate what the Ring tells me, cheers all the same

Do you even know what fair weather means?Exactly what i thought. :lol: Trotter = Hatton internet groupie. The Ring = One of boxings oldest and venerated boxing magazines. Yeah i know which opinion il value more.:lol:

[abzmanc]

Anyone else think that Lee Beard fella seems a bit of a cock? Dont know why..but what has he actually ever done? And when he talks he tries giving it all large.

[faisal]

Go and have a look at the "Rings" rankings and the article they ran on the 140lb division 8 years ago. When you`ve done that you come see me. Fair weather fans.:roll:
Watching wee man getting KTFO must have been the single most breath taking experience u had after mosely doing a job on margerito

[scurlaruntings]

Watching wee man getting KTFO must have been the single most breath taking experience u had after mosely doing a job on margeritoMy neighbour actually called the police because of the noise we made during the PBF Hatton KO... (old fucking bitch). Anyway it was a rather tearful moment of joy for me. That and when LL was starched vs Rahman in there first bout. Iv never been so happy in all my life.

[TFFP]

I'm still shocked at the utter lack of professionalism on display last night. Shocked. He went out early, he went out cold, he wasn't greased up, the fight itself was abysmal.

Add that to a rift in camp and you've got a total shambles with nobody controlling matters.


Ricky openly dissented against Graham pre- Floyd fight, refused to box as Graham asked and then after allegedly sidelining him against Lazcano he sacked him

And now he's fallen out with Floyd who was quick to hint that the training was in his opinion not up to scratch and that Ricky wouldn't listen to him. It seems he was sidelined too by the end of camp.


People will point the finger at Floyd but there is a pattern emerging here and it's Ricky at the centre of it.


In my opinion all this makes Graham look a bigger man, he's kept his counsel, when the truth might just be that Hatton has become an untrainable monster.


He was always losing that fight last night but he gave himself no chance of even making it competitive.

It looks like the same old story of a fighter getting too big for their boots, surrounding themselves with yes men and deserting the people who helped make them.
How do you figure any of this made a difference?

It was the same old Hatton in there making the same old mistakes. He didn't move his head like Mayweather was supposed to teach him, he didn't show any angles or setup his attacks. It was just the usual Hatton, that relied on his instincts under pressure.

[faisal]

My neighbour actually called the police because of the noise we made during the PBF Hatton KO... (old fucking bitch). Anyway it was a rather tearful moment of joy for me. That and when LL was starched vs Rahman in there first bout. Iv never been so happy in all my life.
thought so:lol:

[trotter]

How do you figure any of this made a difference?

It was the same old Hatton in there making the same old mistakes. He didn't move his head like Mayweather was supposed to teach him, he didn't show any angles or setup his attacks. It was just the usual Hatton, that relied on his instincts under pressure.

TFFP, read the post. I'm not making any excuses.

I'm posing the question / making the suggestion that Hatton has become untrainable (except by low profile yes men) and it's actually not Floyd Sr's fault.

The whole thing seemed like a massive charade, hugely amateurish, in comparison to Pac and Roach.

Not particularly saying it would have made a difference, Pac is just the better fighter, but the least you'd expect is that he'd come prepared. I don't think he was.

I can't help but compare it to the later days of Naz.

[trotter]

That and when LL was starched vs Rahman in there first bout. Iv never been so happy in all my life.

Jesus christ you are more of a sad cunt than I ever imagined

[TFFP]

TFFP, read the post. I'm not making any excuses.

I'm posing the question / making the suggestion that Hatton has become untrainable (except by low profile yes men) and it's actually not Floyd Sr's fault.

The whole thing seemed like a massive charade, hugely amateurish, in comparison to Pac and Roach.

Not particularly saying it would have made a difference, Pac is just the better fighter, but the least you'd expect is that he'd come prepared. I don't think he was.

I can't help but compare it to the later days of Naz.
In what way wasn't he prepared :huh

He looked in perfect shape to me.

He fought like he always does.

The only thing that didn't happen that people expected was Mayweather Sr's influence was not there for me. But then again...it took Roach 8 years to mould a talent, what was Mayweather supposed to do with a 29 yr old in a few weeks?

[trotter]

He wasn't prepared in as much as, from what I've heard, it sounds like he had a shit training camp.

When you fall out with your trainer mid-camp and word leaks you are going to sack him I think that's a given.

When you are fighting Pacquiao you need the best camp you can have, not a fall out with the guy you are paying big bucks to coach you.

And I think Hatton is to blame, it's two trainers in quick succession he's done this with.

But of course I know very little of it, it's just my guesswork from what little I know.


If there is one thing Hatton can do it's hit weight and get in shape so that's no indicator at all.

[Betty Swollocks]

Hatton's arrogance and over-inflated ego at play....he's not bright or humble enough to make good decisions

[Healy]

Hatton was caught and knocked out, it happens sometimes when you are dealing with fighters the level of Paciquao.

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Its not like it was 1 shot, it was 6 mins of hell in there for Hatton

[sitiyzal]

Because they knew there boy wasnt good enough. No point in blaming the camp Hatton just simply wasnt and never has been good enough. Belief isnt enough in this game. You bare your soul when you enters those ropes. Watching Hatton vs Pac was like watching a caveman with his bow an arrow vs a Sherman Tank. The WBU years finally caught. I for one feel very exhonerated.

Calm down. You're also the same guy who had delusions about Hatton being put on queer street by Ben Tackie.

.....a fighter who shows such disregard for defense whatever the reasons are, deserves everything they get.

[scurlaruntings]

Jesus christ you are more of a sad cunt than I ever imaginedIm not sad in the slightest. Matter of fact im VERY happy. :lol:

[scurlaruntings]

He wasn't prepared in as much as, from what I've heard, it sounds like he had a shit training camp.

When you fall out with your trainer mid-camp and word leaks you are going to sack him I think that's a given.

When you are fighting Pacquiao you need the best camp you can have, not a fall out with the guy you are paying big bucks to coach you.

And I think Hatton is to blame, it's two trainers in quick succession he's done this with.

But of course I know very little of it, it's just my guesswork from what little I know.


If there is one thing Hatton can do it's hit weight and get in shape so that's no indicator at all.
Excuses. Good camp bad camp shit camp no camp fucking camp it wont make a blind bit of diffrence. Hatton could have trained with angels in heaven and he'd still get blasted into next week 10 times out of 10. The boy just isnt good enough, never was good enough end of story the quicker you realise that the better.

[rydersonthestorm]

Twice he made the step up. Twice he failed miserably. When 140 was stacked 8 years ago Hatton fought NO ONE in the top 140. He went for the big cheese and fought a fighter who had one foot in retirement and has been living off that win ever since. Lazcano Urango Mallinaggi etc are NOT the path to glory. Look at Manny's last 6 opponents bearing in mind he's a flyweight moving up and then look at Hattons. Its shambolic.
So when hatton was 22 he should have been fighting the best at 140 :roll:

[SouthpawSlayer]

theres only oooooooooooooooooone ricky hatton, lol

im so happy about last night, hatton has been crap since the zoo fight and his only win of note was against urango which was done by his holding

this forum was a terrible place to be over the last month with all the hatton hype on how he beat malignaggi and was quicker than him so his speed will be similar to pacs, all you hatton lovers need to eat your words and same goes to all them tossers at sky who were predicting a hatton win and were giving me doubts

i mean the writing was on the wall when he fought lascano, and i dont wanna hear the excuses of a bad training camp, hatton himself said he had the best training camp ever on many occasions

[Tuffnutz]

I'm glad that Trotter came to ESB and meet Scurla. :lol

[trotter]

this forum was a terrible place to be over the last month with all the hatton hype on how he beat malignaggi and was quicker than him so his speed will be similar to pacs, all you hatton lovers need to eat your words and same goes to all them tossers at sky who were predicting a hatton win and were giving me doubts



Just because you held a different opinion to others it made the forum a 'terrible place to be'

I think you struggle with the concept of a 'forum' to be honest


@ Tuffie - I'm not... he's fucking warped

[scurlaruntings]

I'm glad that Trotter came to ESB and meet Scurla. :lolDam shame the old brit lot arent here. You and i and a few others are the only ones left. It is only US that know the TRUTH! And the truth will out!!!

[faisal]

listen to the sky commentary
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[TBooze]

Its not like it was 1 shot, it was 6 mins of hell in there for Hatton

I would agree, but it happens and luckily for Hatton it was all over inside two rounds, because if that fight went on any longer, I would of really feared for his safety.