Ricky Hatton the Bernie Madoff of boxing! [Archive]

scurlaruntings

05-03-2009, 06:10 AM

Nobody could ever say you lacked class ScurlaGet the fuck out of here with that fortune cookie utopian crap. What has class got to do with this? LACK of class was what left Hatton staring up at the stars. He cant mix in that class and the chickens came home to roost. He finally got humiliated stunningly for the charade he has put on all throughout the years and best thing you can come up with is that utopian bullshit. Seriously you gimps sure know how to reach.

barrington

05-03-2009, 06:25 AM

Nobody could ever say you lacked class ScurlaThey could and they would be right too.

AnthonyWilliams

05-03-2009, 06:27 AM

And finally after nearly a decade on ESB the Scurla jury rests. Betty Swollocks where art thou! Join me in this final hour of divine retribution!! Remember kids the dirty laundry ALWAYS comes out in the wash! :hi:

If we could have bet on you being a smug twat afterwards, we'd all be happy this morning.

Go look up magnanimous.

Guy

05-03-2009, 06:28 AM

If we could have bet on you being a smug twat afterwards, we'd all be happy this morning.

Go look up magnanimous.

Now that is sheer class :yep

GazOC

05-03-2009, 06:38 AM

A boxer is a world champion for 4 years, finishes with a record of 45-2 and two internet saddoes feel vindicated in giving him years of irrational and unfounded hate because he loses a fight?:patsch

My dinner with Conteh

05-03-2009, 06:43 AM

Big deal. He's been exposed at the 'very highest' level. No great shame in that. He was a legitimate world champ and a good fighter.

barrington

05-03-2009, 06:49 AM

If we could have bet on you being a smug twat afterwards, we'd all be happy this morning.

Go look up magnanimous.Now thats classy.:good

HairyHighlander

05-03-2009, 06:59 AM

mag whaa ? :nut

Boro chris

05-03-2009, 07:21 AM

If we could have bet on you being a smug twat afterwards, we'd all be happy this morning.

Go look up magnanimous.

I was gonna call Scurla a cunt and explain to him why most on this board utterly dispise him, but I think you put it far more eloquently than I ever could.:lol:

scurlaruntings

05-03-2009, 08:41 AM

If we could have bet on you being a smug twat afterwards, we'd all be happy this morning.

Go look up magnanimous.:lol::lol: Suck rocks mutherfuckaz. Today is a GOOD DAY!! :happy:happy

Betty Swollocks

05-03-2009, 08:45 AM

Scurla and I were right all along.....case closed methinks.

What a fraud.

Beeston Brawler

05-03-2009, 08:46 AM

If I had achieved what he has over a 12 year career I would gladly be called a fraud by a joker like you.

scurlaruntings

05-03-2009, 08:52 AM

If I had achieved what he has over a 12 year career I would gladly be called a fraud by a joker like you.Seriously dude thats a tired line. Where all fans of the sport here. If you had to watch Man U vs Arington Stanley in the cup final year in year out you'd be venting your spleen aswell. When you build a house you make sure the footings are strong. Hatton did not because he spent years conning the British public and facing medicore fighters. The culmination was what we saw last night. This isnt new though as Howard Eastman also did the same thing.

Betty Swollocks

05-03-2009, 09:36 AM

Billy Graham must be laughing his bollocks off today.

hitman_hatton1

05-03-2009, 09:45 AM

And finally after nearly a decade on ESB the Scurla jury rests. Betty Swollocks where art thou! Join me in this final hour of divine retribution!! Remember kids the dirty laundry ALWAYS comes out in the wash! :hi:

how many years have u been predicting the demise of ricky hatton. :lol:

all these years later u finally get paydirt.

up yours. :smooch

cockney wankers

05-03-2009, 10:15 AM

Hatton has has an outstanding career, but it's over now. Neither Floyd nor Pacman are big hitters yet managed to KO Ricky. Ricky's punch resistance has gone. He's shot to bits following the terrible lifestyle he lives. Also, the final punch was the biggest hayemaker from the back of the room you ever saw, and yet one of the Sky 'pundits' had the front to say it was a short left hook!!!

Having said that, Pacman looked awesome. He seems to get better the heavier he is. He really is a force of nature.

hitman_hatton1

05-03-2009, 10:17 AM

Healy

05-03-2009, 10:20 AM

Thank fuck for that.....

achillesthegreat

05-03-2009, 11:01 AM

Some people have no class.

Fat Joe

05-03-2009, 11:07 AM

Some people have no class.

:huh Scurla or Ricky?

scurlaruntings

05-03-2009, 11:53 AM

how many years have u been predicting the demise of ricky hatton. :lol:

all these years later u finally get paydirt.

up yours. :smoochUp yours and at em motherfucka. I got my dues because Hatton finally faced a prime live body. If he did that on a regular basis as did Pac there would be no issue. Fighting 2nd tier fighters and grandly proclaiming his greatness doesnt wash with me as it does with you. I know the diffrence between guys like Cotto SSM PBF Pac and no hopers like Paulie and Lazcano.

scurlaruntings

05-03-2009, 11:54 AM

Some people have no class.OOo this place is brimming with moral fibre. Cut the fortune cookie crap. This is the stark face of REALITY. A reality many chose to ignore including Ricky.

SouthpawSlayer

05-03-2009, 12:23 PM

And finally after nearly a decade on ESB the Scurla jury rests. Betty Swollocks where art thou! Join me in this final hour of divine retribution!! Remember kids the dirty laundry ALWAYS comes out in the wash! :hi:

lets rejoice

:happy:happy:happy:happy:happy:happy:happy

achillesthegreat

05-03-2009, 12:30 PM

:huh Scurla or Ricky?

Scurla, Betty and anyone else with baseless argument against boxers. What they do is disrespected purely based on hatred.

I'm all for constructive criticism. Boxers, like everyone else, must be held accountable. But to be held accountable because you lost to the best fighter in the world?! Well that's just moronic.

scurlaruntings

05-03-2009, 12:31 PM

lets rejoice

:happy:happy:happy:happy:happy:happy:happy:good:good:good

scurlaruntings

05-03-2009, 12:33 PM

Scurla, Betty and anyone else with baseless argument against boxers. What they do is disrespected purely based on hatred.

I'm all for constructive criticism. Boxers, like everyone else, must be held accountable. But to be held accountable because you lost to the best fighter in the world?! Well that's just moronic.Your not stupid. Quit with the psycho babble and see it for what it is. Do you think the Lazcano's Urango's and Paulies of this world are the right preparation for REAL World Class talent like PBF and Pac. Surely your not that stupid.:roll:

achillesthegreat

05-03-2009, 12:33 PM

Seriously dude thats a tired line. Where all fans of the sport here. If you had to watch Man U vs Arington Stanley in the cup final year in year out you'd be venting your spleen aswell. When you build a house you make sure the footings are strong. Hatton did not because he spent years conning the British public and facing medicore fighters. The culmination was what we saw last night. This isnt new though as Howard Eastman also did the same thing.

Was it Hatton or ****** that did that? Hatton forced ****** to make the Tszyu fight. ****** was backed into a corner cos his contract was running out and he'd lost out on easier fights in Pinto and Harris.

Once Hatton left ******, I agree that fighting four titlists, Castillo, Mayweather and Pacquiao was so bad. :patsch

achillesthegreat

05-03-2009, 12:34 PM

Your not stupid. Quit with the psycho babble and see it for what it is. Do you think the Lazcano's Urango's and Paulies of this world are the right preparation for REAL World Class talent like PBF and Pac. Surely your not that stupid.:roll:

What a stupid argument.

sitiyzal

05-03-2009, 12:47 PM

Scurla and I were right all along.....case closed methinks.

What a fraud.

No, you're still wrong regardless of how Hatton-Pacquaio went down :lol:.

JonOli

05-03-2009, 12:57 PM

How about you guys just take your hat off to Hatton for fighting the likes of Floyd and Manny. There was always a chance he was going to get a whipping, and he did. Look at what Manny did to Oscar in his last fight. Oscar said he was ashamed to leave the house for weeks. Hatton could have easily retired unbeaten 45-0 had he wished - he chose to step in the ring with prime versions of two of the greatest fighters ever to lace them up instead.

I wonder if Betty will be retiring along with Hatton.

scurlaruntings

05-03-2009, 01:00 PM

Was it Hatton or ****** that did that? Hatton forced ****** to make the Tszyu fight. ****** was backed into a corner cos his contract was running out and he'd lost out on easier fights in Pinto and Harris.

Once Hatton left ******, I agree that fighting four titlists, Castillo, Mayweather and Pacquiao was so bad. :patschDid he also force him to amek 15 defences of the WBU? You should know better than that. And you seem to have conviently (as usual) forgotten the dross inbetween. :roll:

achillesthegreat

05-03-2009, 07:10 PM

Did he also force him to amek 15 defences of the WBU? You should know better than that. And you seem to have conviently (as usual) forgotten the dross inbetween. :roll:

If those fights were fought without the WBU sanctioning them then you wouldn't be saying this. You'd just be saying he took a long time to step up in class but when he did, he proved he belonged. You are using the WBU point to hate. Simple as.

GazOC

05-03-2009, 07:16 PM

scurlaruntings

05-03-2009, 07:30 PM

If those fights were fought without the WBU sanctioning them then you wouldn't be saying this. You'd just be saying he took a long time to step up in class but when he did, he proved he belonged. You are using the WBU point to hate. Simple as.
I DONT CARE ABOUT MOOT PREAMBLE AND CONJECTURE. I observe the FACTS for what they are. I dont care about IF BUT or MAYBE. HATTON fought for the WBU did he not? He did so numerous times. Rather than go the tradtional route he made millions at the M.E.N beating up roadsweepers. I presume that was ample preparation for the PBF's and PacMan's of this world?

Furthermoe I have never insinuated the boy wasnt world class. This he certainly was. But when measured against the best fighters in and around his weight class he fails miserably. You dont make a career out of fringe titlists and then try and fight the best guys in your weight division. That kind of maths does not add up.

scurlaruntings

05-03-2009, 07:33 PM

Who the fuck cares if those fights were for the WBU title? Most people judge Hatton as having won a world title when he beat Zoo, he then made 5 defences and those fights for the WBU belt were just fights on the way up to his title shot.You should have rang the BBC before the fight then as well as SKY. Both had him down as a 6 time world champ and counted the IBO and WBU. Hatton was more than happy to count the WBU as a world title belt. You do the maths Gazoc. I mean for fucks sake the WBU doesnt even have a ranking system. There an organisation based in a cottage in Norwich with ZERO credibility but you can glibly gloss over that fact because Haton annexed a few world titles against a bunch of guys no one had heard of to date? :roll:

GazOC

05-03-2009, 07:44 PM

You should have rang the BBC before the fight then as well as SKY. Both had him down as a 6 time world champ and counted the IBO and WBU. Hatton was more than happy to count the WBU as a world title belt. You do the maths Gazoc. I mean for fucks sake the WBU doesnt even have a ranking system. There an organisation based in a cottage in Norwich with ZERO credibility but you can glibly gloss over that fact because Haton annexed a few world titles against a bunch of guys no one had heard of to date? :roll:

WTF is this new obsession you have with doing maths?:patsch Who gives a monkies about how the Beeb or Sky choose to promote a fight/ boxer?

You can completely forget about Hattons career before Zoo, what he did in that fight and afterwards is still a very good boxing career by most reasonable peoples standards.

Brit Sillynanny

05-03-2009, 07:50 PM

I DONT CARE ABOUT MOOT PREAMBLE AND CONJECTURE. I observe the FACTS for what they are. I dont care about IF BUT or MAYBE. HATTON fought for the WBU did he not? He did so numerous times. Rather than go the tradtional route he made millions at the M.E.N beating up roadsweepers. I presume that was ample preparation for the PBF's and PacMan's of this world?

Furthermoe I have never insinuated the boy wasnt world class. This he certainly was. But when measured against the best fighters in and around his weight class he fails miserably. You dont make a career out of fringe titlists and then try and fight the best guys in your weight division. That kind of maths does not add up.

But those ifs, ands, or buts could have made all the difference to his legacy. If he had not fought Floyd in 2007 (damn, if only Floyd had been over 40 instead of prime!) and had fought the 35 year old Witter in 2009 (instead of Pac) and been allowed to maul and wrestle and squeak out a hometown decision (of course Witter is also to blame for getting whupped by Bradley in 2008, but I digress) he would have been 47-0 and could have retired as an ATG. :D

edit: Oops .. should have written MAYBE could have retired as an ATG.:yep

scurlaruntings

05-03-2009, 07:53 PM

WTF is this new obsession you have with doing maths?:patsch Who gives a monkies about how the Beeb or Sky choose to promote a fight/ boxer?

You can completely forget about Hattons career before Zoo, what he did in that fight and afterwards is still a very good boxing career by most reasonable peoples standards.Yes of course. I can see the clairty now. Sell a fight on the basis of a LIE and the fans will buy it. So lets all coun the WBU and IBO as world titles folks because Gazoc says so.

Furthermore learn to read. Iv never once insinuated that Hatton never made a decent career for himself in this sport. The facts remain he built a foundation on sand and had muppets like you eating out of his hand. So no i will NOT forget because i know the truth and the truth will out as long as a post on this dam board!

scurlaruntings

05-03-2009, 07:54 PM

But those ifs, ands, or buts could have made all the difference to his legacy. If he had not fought Floyd in 2007 (damn, if only Floyd had been over 40!) and had fought the 35 year old Witter in 2009 (instead of Pac) and been allowed to maul and wrestle and squeak out a hometown decision (of course Witter is also to blame for getting whupped by Bradley in 2008 but I digress) he would have been 47-0 and could have retired as an ATG. :D

edit: Oops .. should have written MAYBE could have retired as an ATG.:yep
If the Pope didnt have a cock, may be he might be a women....

Brit Sillynanny

05-03-2009, 07:58 PM

If the Pope didnt have a cock, may be he might be a women....

Ah, you're not even trying. Was hoping for something better than that but I recognize my lead was a little too obvious to wanna go there.:good

GazOC

05-03-2009, 08:01 PM

Yes of course. I can see the clairty now. Sell a fight on the basis of a LIE and the fans will buy it. So lets all coun the WBU and IBO as world titles folks because Gazoc says so.

Furthermore learn to read. Iv never once insinuated that Hatton never made a decent career for himself in this sport. The facts remain he built a foundation on sand and had muppets like you eating out of his hand. So no i will NOT forget because i know the truth and the truth will out as long as a post on this dam board!

:lol: So when I say "Ignore the WBU, Hatton won the title beating Zoo" that means I really count the WBU as title defences as valid? Are you just making this stuff up as you go along??:patsch

The WBU is a joke, no one claims otherwise, so why bang on about a series of fights that were fought under the banner of an irrelevant organisation? They were pre title fights that ended at the start of 2005 and Hatton probably wasn't ready for Zoo much before the middle of 2004 in any case.

TFFP

05-03-2009, 08:03 PM

Who is Bernie Madoff?

GazOC

05-03-2009, 08:04 PM

Who is Bernie Madoff?

I don't know but I'm guessing its not a compliment...:D

TFFP

05-03-2009, 08:05 PM

Bernard Lawrence "Bernie" Madoff (IPA: /ˈmeɪdɒf/ ([Only registered and activated users can see links])) (born April 29, 1938) is a former American ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) businessman ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) and former non-executive chairman ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) of the NASDAQ ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) stock exchange ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) who was convicted of operating a Ponzi scheme ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) that has been called the largest investor fraud ever committed by a single person ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

Appears not

Brit Sillynanny

05-03-2009, 08:07 PM

Who is Bernie Madoff?

Iceland's broke and Madoff doesn't get any play over there?

LOL. Time to startup a financial news prog .. might really help out.

GazOC

05-03-2009, 08:08 PM

Ah right, maybe a slight exageration on Scurlas part.

scurlaruntings

05-04-2009, 12:52 PM

:lol: So when I say "Ignore the WBU, Hatton won the title beating Zoo" that means I really count the WBU as title defences as valid? Are you just making this stuff up as you go along??:patsch

The WBU is a joke, no one claims otherwise, so why bang on about a series of fights that were fought under the banner of an irrelevant organisation? They were pre title fights that ended at the start of 2005 and Hatton probably wasn't ready for Zoo much before the middle of 2004 in any case.Then maybe you should have promoted the fight. SKY and the BBC counted that "title reign" in there promotion. Hatton counts it as a world title belt. Im not making that up them is the FACTS! I know its a joke. You know its a joke but Hatton the BBC and SKY dont? :lol:

GazOC

05-04-2009, 02:22 PM

scurlaruntings

05-04-2009, 02:26 PM

But (yet!!:roll:) again, what does it matter about the WBU fights? They are what they are, fights on the way to Hatton fighting Zoo for the title.

Why does it concern you so much how those fights were promoted? When Hatton was WBU champ he used to talk about fighting for the "proper" title, so he certainly knew the scoreHe clearly doesnt or has forgotten as iv seen numerous interviews where he counts it as a world title and proudly calls himself a 6 time world champ. Those are the FACTS. It is only you who cannot see this. His fight was marketed on THAT premise. What is so hard to grasp here? :patsch

GazOC

05-04-2009, 02:33 PM

But who cares (besides you and the usual loons)? Hattons record stands well without the WBU title fights but you have to keep latching onto that to distract from what he legitimatly achieved.

trotter

05-04-2009, 03:13 PM

He clearly doesnt or has forgotten as iv seen numerous interviews where he counts it as a world title and proudly calls himself a 6 time world champ. Those are the FACTS. It is only you who cannot see this. His fight was marketed on THAT premise. What is so hard to grasp here? :patsch

What you are failing to grasp is that nobody gives a fuck.

Only somebody with a pathological hatred would waste SO much of their lives ranting about it.

Betty Swollocks

05-06-2009, 02:37 AM

Scurla, Betty and anyone else with baseless argument against boxers. What they do is disrespected purely based on hatred.

I'm all for constructive criticism. Boxers, like everyone else, must be held accountable. But to be held accountable because you lost to the best fighter in the world?! Well that's just moronic.

it's the way he lost, when was the last time Pac or PBF beat a guy like that? Totally humiliated and exposed.

achillesthegreat

05-06-2009, 08:58 AM

it's the way he lost, when was the last time Pac or PBF beat a guy like that? Totally humiliated and exposed.

So Duran is shit also? Frazier too? many other legends are shit cos they lost in humiliating fashion?

Seriously, you and Scur need to cut it out. It's disrespectful to say the least. I've got no issue on criticising fighters when they are actually wrong but baseless hatred is pathetic.

scurlaruntings

05-06-2009, 02:27 PM

What you are failing to grasp is that nobody gives a fuck.

Only somebody with a pathological hatred would waste SO much of their lives ranting about it.BLA BLA BLA. You dont give a fuck and yet you have a reply for me everytime? Im not a sheep like you. I call it precisely how it is.

GazOC

05-06-2009, 02:36 PM

I call it precisely how it is.

You've never grasped the difference in between calling it how it is and calling it how you see it (arrogance?). You don't have the monopoly on the truth or in being a "true boxing fan".

Boro chris

05-06-2009, 02:37 PM

So Duran is shit also? Frazier too? many other legends are shit cos they lost in humiliating fashion?

Seriously, you and Scur need to cut it out. It's disrespectful to say the least. I've got no issue on criticising fighters when they are actually wrong but baseless hatred is pathetic.

Amen. These two tools never seem to quit. Sad and pathetic.:-(

scurlaruntings

05-06-2009, 02:39 PM

You've never grasped the difference in between calling it how it is and calling it how you see it (arrogance?). You don't have the monopoly on the truth or in being a "true boxing fan".Ahh but i do!!! :happy I am a TRUE boxing fan. I am the Stevens Holdsworth of ESB! You on the other hand are Ian Darkes favourite parrot Glenn McCrory. :lol:

Beeston Brawler

05-06-2009, 03:04 PM

The truth according to scurla

Strike

05-06-2009, 03:10 PM

scurlaruntings

05-06-2009, 03:14 PM

Now he calls Paulie a "no hoper" after I asked him to provide a list of "prime live bodies" post Castillo fight.

Guess who Scurla listed? Yup...Paulie.:lol::patsch

PATHETIC.

Anyway, you could do this with any fighter, if you say "he will lose soon" for 4 years chances are at some point you will be right and then you can say "exposed" like a know nothing moron.
Why are you just typing crap? Why write such blatant lies? Seriously Strike get the fuck out of here with that rubbish. I have never ONCE said Paulie was a legitimate opponent for Hatton. I NEVER liked the fight and considered it wholly pointless and a sham. But hey you write whatever you feel like. Looks like your weed just kicked in.:roll:

Strike

05-06-2009, 03:20 PM

Why are you just typing crap? Why write such blatant lies? Seriously Strike get the fuck out of here with that rubbish. I have never ONCE said Paulie was a legitimate opponent for Hatton. I NEVER liked the fight and considered it wholly pointless and a sham. But hey you write whatever you feel like. Looks like your weed just kicked in.:roll:

Bollocks. I swear on my mothers grave that I asked you for a list, you have me 5 fighters who you would deem legit, prime opponents.

They included Holt, Paulie and Judah.

I believe you have genuinely forgotten, because that is what happens when people are totally blinded by bias and incapable of discussing a topic objectively.
It is why you now truly believe that Tsyzu was past it and cheated, even though the next day you wrote something along the lines of "Fair play it was long overdue but he at last proved himself".

If only the old files were still here I would happily never post again if you proved you never wrote that. In fact I said at the time I would save the screen shot as I knew this sort of thing would happen, but then I didn't do it and here we are....

scurlaruntings

05-06-2009, 03:22 PM

Bollocks. I swear on my mothers grave that I asked you for a list, you have me 5 fighters who you would deem legit, prime opponents.

They included Holt, Paulie and Judah.

I believe you have genuinely forgotten, because that is what happens when people are totally blinded by bias and incapable of discussing a topic objectively.
It is why you now truly believe that Tsyzu was past it and cheated, even though the next day you wrote something along the lines of "Fair play it was long overdue but he at last proved himself".

If only the old files were still here I would happily never post again if you proved you never wrote that. In fact I said at the time I would save the screen shot as I knew this sort of thing would happen, but then I didn't do it and here we are....
You shouldnt do that.:nono :patsch He said she said.. semantic debate. I know what i believe and yes i may have put Judah and Holt in that list but never Paulie. Either way it matters not a jot.

Beeston Brawler

05-06-2009, 03:31 PM

I don't think Scurla is so stupid as to let his hate for Hatton blind the fact that Paulie wouldn't beat Ricky in 500 goes.

Strike

05-06-2009, 03:33 PM

I don't think Scurla is so stupid as to let his hate for Hatton blind the fact that Paulie wouldn't beat Ricky in 500 goes.

He listed him as a prime, live body and stated that Hatton would not fight him.

GazOC

05-06-2009, 03:41 PM

I don't think Scurla is so stupid as to let his hate for Hatton blind the fact that Paulie wouldn't beat Ricky in 500 goes.

A lot of people thought Paulie had the style to beat Hatton.

Beeston Brawler

05-06-2009, 03:42 PM

:lol:

Perhaps he ought to have strengthened his criteria to include prime, live.... and wait for it.... QUALITY.

If someone chopped my right leg off I'd be about ten stone.... stick me in with Paulie!

scurlaruntings

05-06-2009, 03:43 PM

A lot of people thought Paulie had the style to beat Hatton.
NOT ME! :nono

Strike

05-06-2009, 03:45 PM

So gone Scurla...let's say Hatton fights on...

How does he fare against these...

Bradley
Holt
Campbell

Given that he is a fraud, exposed and so on...

scurlaruntings

05-06-2009, 03:54 PM

So gone Scurla...let's say Hatton fights on...

How does he fare against these...

Bradley
Holt
Campbell

Given that he is a fraud, exposed and so on...All of those are tough fights. Campbell is probably the easiest of the 3. Bradley can box and has respectable power as does Holt. Of course Hatton would be the favourite but i see Bradley Hatton as a 50/50 bout.

Strike

05-06-2009, 03:55 PM

So who would you pick? If Hatton won would it be a good win or would he still be a fraud?

scurlaruntings

05-06-2009, 03:57 PM

So who would you pick? If Hatton won would it be a good win or would he still be a fraud?Nope a good win. Its about time he fought someone who resembled some sort of test from his own division.

achillesthegreat

05-06-2009, 04:10 PM

People forget easy in boxing. Tszyu was the favourite. Castillo was 50-50. Mayweather the favourite. Malignaggi 50-50. Pac the favourite. Out of 5 big fights, Hatton fought as the underdog 3 times and in even fights twice. The hatred against his record is completely unfounded. EVEN if you were to go back to when he fought Thaxton and Magee, these were decent tests. The only issue that came with Hatton is he dragged out his period as a contender - too many Philips, Tackie, Olivieras. Good fights but people wanted to know if he was elite. That is the true issue with Hattons record. As well as avoiding Witter but I don't think it's cos Witters game scared him.