admit it....who was fooled by Hatton's boxing career?

[trotter]

Well said Strike.

The level of 'debate' is laughable at times. It's just bullshit. Trolling, flaming, spamming, whatever these things mean precisely, it's one of them lol.

Dwilson is another lately - he now claims Hatton is at the level of Lockett and Jennings but had the 'right promotion'.

These folk either are blinded by hate or they are genuinely stupid.

[Guy]

If all that is true Strike it proves that quite a few on ESB and in the Brit forum, only come on here because they have an axe to grind.

Just waiting for someone to fail so you can put the boot in is just sad..:deal

[threethirteen]

I don't like Hatton and was glad he got drubbed, but he did well especially if you consider how "limited" some think he is. He had talent blighted by soft opposition and a trainer who didn't help him develop his boxing skills.

All that "improved" Ricky stuff was crap. He could do it when he was fighting a guy who didn't pressure him or pose him any risks, but soon as he was against a guy with all the advantages- he came apart. It doesn't diminish his achievements, it just shows him up for being a solid fighter who made good with opportunistic matchmaking and a great fanbase.

I do hope he retires - his punch resistance has been going since the Tyszu fight and I'd rather not see him lose to opponents he'd have blasted away in the past.

[mattress]

In the end if Hatton had beaten Pac, Scurla and Betty et al would have given credit for a few weeks, but within a year the win would be dismissed as hand picking a smaller man from a lower weight class and that is a FACT.

Good post Strike.
You know them better than they know themselves. They are Elite, ATG haters for sure.

[GazOC]

If all that is true Strike it proves that quite a few on ESB and in the Brit forum, only come on here because they have an axe to grind.

Just waiting for someone to fail so you can put the boot in is just sad..:deal

I was around and the time and can confirm what Strike has said. The Zoo fight in particular was a low point for the Scurla and Betty Axis of Drivel.

Having claimed for years that Hatton was too scared to fight Zoo, when the fight gets announced they spend the next few months claiming its a PR stunt and that Hatton will pull out with a fake injury and mocking people who bought tickets for the fight for being naive and unware of how the sport really works (an early variation of Scurlas "you're not a true boxing fan if you disagree with me" tactic).

As it becomes obvious that the fight is going to happen they change tack and insist that Hatton will be stopped inside 2 rounds, as soon as Zoo times Hatton coming in with a overhand right the fight will be over. By this stage Scurla and Betty are almost beside themselves with glee and can't wait for the fight to happen to see Hatton "brutally KO'd".

After Hatton wins the fight, using "get in close" tactics that most of his fans on here predicted he'd use but that Betty and Scurla insisted would be playing in Zoos hands by leaving himself open the right hand on the way in, it all goes quiet for a week or so until one of them gets the bright idea to start blaming the referee for Zoos loss.

Other excuses followed including, amongst others, that it was unfair on Zoo because he'd had to fight at 2am!!! The fact that this was obviously the exact same time that Hatton had to fight seemed to have escaped their notice.

And, to be honest, its just been more of the same embarrassing, hate filled bullshit for the last 4 years waiting for Hatton to slip up so they can absurdly claim they were "right" all along!!

[Strike]

I was around and the time and can confirm what Strike has said. The Zoo fight in particular was a low point for the Scurla and Betty Axis of Drivel.

Having claimed for years that Hatton was too scared to fight Zoo, when the fight gets announced they spend the next few months claiming its a PR stunt and that Hatton will pull out with a fake injury and mocking people who bought tickets for the fight for being naive and unware of how the sport really works (an early variation of Scurlas "you're not a true boxing fan if you disagree with me" tactic).

As it becomes obvious that the fight is going to happen they change tack and insist that Hatton will be stopped inside 2 rounds, as soon as Zoo times Hatton coming in with a overhand right the fight will be over. By this stage Scurla and Betty are almost beside themselves with glee and can't wait for the fight to happen to see Hatton "brutally KO'd".

After Hatton wins the fight, using "get in close" tactics that most of his fans on here predicted he'd use but that Betty and Scurla insisted would be playing in Zoos hands by leaving himself open the right hand on the way in, it all goes quiet for a week or so until one of them gets the bright idea to start blaming the referee for Zoos loss.

Other excuses followed including, amongst others, that it was unfair on Zoo because he'd had to fight at 2am!!! The fact that this was obviously the exact same time that Hatton had to fight seemed to have escaped their notice.

And, to be honest, its just been more of the same embarrassing, hate filled bullshit for the last 4 years waiting for Hatton to slip up so they can absurdly claim they were "right" all along!!

Picture perfect account. Who were you back then? I am sure you must have had a different name or posted less frequently. But that is spot on in how it went, particularly the mocking of how it would never happen and when it did the delight at him getting destroyed....oops.

If you say before every fight "He will get exposed now" or "The moment he fights genuine opp he will get exposed" then eventually 99 times out of 100 you will be able to crow "Told you so" because almost every fighter loses.

It is what the RJJ haters did when he lost to Tarver. It is what the Hatton haters have been waiting to do up until PBF.
It is what Pac Haters will do if he fights PBF and gets whipped.

Rather than accept that someone can be world class but not ATG, or even that someone can be an ATG but inferior to another ATG, the simple minded only see fighters as either "The Truth" or "Exposed".

It is banal and pathetic.

[PaddyD1983]

Picture perfect account. Who were you back then? I am sure you must have had a different name or posted less frequently. But that is spot on in how it went, particularly the mocking of how it would never happen and when it did the delight at him getting destroyed....oops.

If you say before every fight "He will get exposed now" or "The moment he fights genuine opp he will get exposed" then eventually 99 times out of 100 you will be able to crow "Told you so" because almost every fighter loses.

It is what the RJJ haters did when he lost to Tarver. It is what the Hatton haters have been waiting to do up until PBF.
It is what Pac Haters will do if he fights PBF and gets whipped.

Rather than accept that someone can be world class but not ATG, or even that someone can be an ATG but inferior to another ATG, the simple minded only see fighters as either "The Truth" or "Exposed".

It is banal and pathetic.

:happy:happy:happy

[GazOC]

Picture perfect account. Who were you back then? I am sure you must have had a different name or posted less frequently. .

I can't remember exactly but I was "Gaz" something or other, my account/post count got deleted in one of those server resets they had a few years back and I re-joined using this account at the start of 2005.

I used to post more in the General/ Classic Forums, the Brit section section had quite a few little cliques back then and I couldn't be arsed with the "politics".

[Guy]

I was around and the time and can confirm what Strike has said. The Zoo fight in particular was a low point for the Scurla and Betty Axis of Drivel.

Having claimed for years that Hatton was too scared to fight Zoo, when the fight gets announced they spend the next few months claiming its a PR stunt and that Hatton will pull out with a fake injury and mocking people who bought tickets for the fight for being naive and unware of how the sport really works (an early variation of Scurlas "you're not a true boxing fan if you disagree with me" tactic).

As it becomes obvious that the fight is going to happen they change tack and insist that Hatton will be stopped inside 2 rounds, as soon as Zoo times Hatton coming in with a overhand right the fight will be over. By this stage Scurla and Betty are almost beside themselves with glee and can't wait for the fight to happen to see Hatton "brutally KO'd".

After Hatton wins the fight, using "get in close" tactics that most of his fans on here predicted he'd use but that Betty and Scurla insisted would be playing in Zoos hands by leaving himself open the right hand on the way in, it all goes quiet for a week or so until one of them gets the bright idea to start blaming the referee for Zoos loss.

Other excuses followed including, amongst others, that it was unfair on Zoo because he'd had to fight at 2am!!! The fact that this was obviously the exact same time that Hatton had to fight seemed to have escaped their notice.

And, to be honest, its just been more of the same embarrassing, hate filled bullshit for the last 4 years waiting for Hatton to slip up so they can absurdly claim they were "right" all along!!

Thanks for filling me in Gaz, it's opened my eyes I can tell you!

Thats some serious bitterness for you.... :blood

[Jack]

In the end if Hatton had beaten Pac, Scurla and Betty et al would have given credit for a few weeks, but within a year the win would be dismissed as hand picking a smaller man from a lower weight class and that is a FACT."A former 108lber who only beat a SHOT DLH and Diaz??????????? and lost to shot Morales????????? :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:"

[Strike]

"A former 108lber who only beat a SHOT DLH and Diaz??????????? and lost to shot Morales????????? :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:"

Bingo.

[Utter1]

He also likes to pretend that he simply saw Hatton has overrated and that he has not been a blind hater when the facts are...

He picked Tackie by KO inside 3 rounds and spent days laughing on here about how Hatton was out of his league against Tackie and would be destroyed.

He spent months saying Hatton would never dare fight Tsyzu, no mention of thinking Tsyzu was too old and when the fight was announced he picked Tsyzu by KO in the first round.

He said before the Castillo fight that even though Castillo was past his best he expected him to stop Hatton.

He then wrote after that fight that Hatton had still never faced a good young fighter and he picked Paulie Malignaggi to beat him if Hatton ever accepted a fight with a young fighter like him.

And now Hatton has lost to Pacman in bad style and he is here trying to pretend that it was deep boxing knowledge and not hate that led him to criticise Hatton, a guy who he has picked against in almost every fight since Magee.:lol:

Hatton is and was World Class. He is not Elite. He has stepped up to Elite level 3 times, won one and been beaten twice. Perhaps his life style has caught up with him, perhaps not. I never thought he could beat PBF no matter when they met or where. I did think he could beat Pac, but I was wrong.
Pac is true elite, Hatton is simply world class and belongs and always did belong on the world stage fighting the top 5 men in his division, being a world champion but not being able to compete with ATG fighters.

There is no shame in that, and there is only pathetic hatred and bias that would have anyone suggest that he was not a world champion standard fighter. In the end if Hatton had beaten Pac, Scurla and Betty et al would have given credit for a few weeks, but within a year the win would be dismissed as hand picking a smaller man from a lower weight class and that is a FACT.


Spot on..........regardless of the antics between posters and what they predicated etc............as ive said before a great british fighter but not All time great at his weight.........the way he handpicked guys is still a huge Error against him but the Pretty boy Floyd has done the same.

If Hatton foughts Marquez, Cotto, Mosley, Margarito (when he wasnt banned), P. Williams, V. Forrest or even fringe top class fighters like T. Bradley and Holt then i think he would lose the majority of those.....dosent mean its a bad thing i mean we are talking the best little little guys in the world.

Very good british champ.......but not in the same class as Lennox Lewis or N. Hamed....a tier below that.

[PaddyD1983]

Very good british champ.......but not in the same class as Lennox Lewis or N. Hamed....a tier below that.

?

How so?

I agree he's not in the same class as Lewis. But Naz? Cant agree with you on that sorry. Naz is waaaaaaaaaay down my list.

[Utter1]

I don't like Hatton and was glad he got drubbed, but he did well especially if you consider how "limited" some think he is. He had talent blighted by soft opposition and a trainer who didn't help him develop his boxing skills.

All that "improved" Ricky stuff was crap. He could do it when he was fighting a guy who didn't pressure him or pose him any risks, but soon as he was against a guy with all the advantages- he came apart. It doesn't diminish his achievements, it just shows him up for being a solid fighter who made good with opportunistic matchmaking and a great fanbase.

I do hope he retires - his punch resistance has been going since the Tyszu fight and I'd rather not see him lose to opponents he'd have blasted away in the past.


You see im not bothered by Hatton on a personal level like some of those fools tried to suggest just becuase i agree with Scurla, Betty etc......his persona should not affect his standings in the game.......i mean Tyson was one of the best ever for me.......and Holmes but as people they have alot to be desired......at least in my belief.

Getting to the point-
One of the Top 140lbs me for around 4 or so years.....beat some decent fighters and lost to the very best with some ease.

His status isnt that of an all-time great.......

[Utter1]

?

How so?

I agree he's not in the same class as Lewis. But Naz? Cant agree with you on that sorry. Naz is waaaaaaaaaay down my list.


Naz was clearly the BEST feather and super featherweight for 5 years and beat certain guys conclusivly......lost to a prime Barrera......but for he is an all time great.

[Utter1]

I was around and the time and can confirm what Strike has said. The Zoo fight in particular was a low point for the Scurla and Betty Axis of Drivel.

Having claimed for years that Hatton was too scared to fight Zoo, when the fight gets announced they spend the next few months claiming its a PR stunt and that Hatton will pull out with a fake injury and mocking people who bought tickets for the fight for being naive and unware of how the sport really works (an early variation of Scurlas "you're not a true boxing fan if you disagree with me" tactic).

As it becomes obvious that the fight is going to happen they change tack and insist that Hatton will be stopped inside 2 rounds, as soon as Zoo times Hatton coming in with a overhand right the fight will be over. By this stage Scurla and Betty are almost beside themselves with glee and can't wait for the fight to happen to see Hatton "brutally KO'd".

After Hatton wins the fight, using "get in close" tactics that most of his fans on here predicted he'd use but that Betty and Scurla insisted would be playing in Zoos hands by leaving himself open the right hand on the way in, it all goes quiet for a week or so until one of them gets the bright idea to start blaming the referee for Zoos loss.

Other excuses followed including, amongst others, that it was unfair on Zoo because he'd had to fight at 2am!!! The fact that this was obviously the exact same time that Hatton had to fight seemed to have escaped their notice.

And, to be honest, its just been more of the same embarrassing, hate filled bullshit for the last 4 years waiting for Hatton to slip up so they can absurdly claim they were "right" all along!!


Out of interest...........how do u summarise Hatton yourself?

[PaddyD1983]

Naz was clearly the BEST feather and super featherweight for 5 years and beat certain guys conclusivly......lost to a prime Barrera......but for he is an all time great.

In the same way Hatton was the best LWW for four years. Difference for me is that Hatton has Zoo on his record. Whereas Naz doesnt have anything comparable.

[GazOC]

Out of interest...........how do u summarise Hatton yourself?

The same as I did before the Pac fight, a genuine world class fighter who was a decent and legitimate world champion for 4 years.

[scurlaruntings]

He also likes to pretend that he simply saw Hatton has overrated and that he has not been a blind hater when the facts are...

He picked Tackie by KO inside 3 rounds and spent days laughing on here about how Hatton was out of his league against Tackie and would be destroyed.

He spent months saying Hatton would never dare fight Tsyzu, no mention of thinking Tsyzu was too old and when the fight was announced he picked Tsyzu by KO in the first round.

He said before the Castillo fight that even though Castillo was past his best he expected him to stop Hatton.

He then wrote after that fight that Hatton had still never faced a good young fighter and he picked Paulie Malignaggi to beat him if Hatton ever accepted a fight with a young fighter like him.

And now Hatton has lost to Pacman in bad style and he is here trying to pretend that it was deep boxing knowledge and not hate that led him to criticise Hatton, a guy who he has picked against in almost every fight since Magee.:lol:

Hatton is and was World Class. He is not Elite. He has stepped up to Elite level 3 times, won one and been beaten twice. Perhaps his life style has caught up with him, perhaps not. I never thought he could beat PBF no matter when they met or where. I did think he could beat Pac, but I was wrong.
Pac is true elite, Hatton is simply world class and belongs and always did belong on the world stage fighting the top 5 men in his division, being a world champion but not being able to compete with ATG fighters.

There is no shame in that, and there is only pathetic hatred and bias that would have anyone suggest that he was not a world champion standard fighter. In the end if Hatton had beaten Pac, Scurla and Betty et al would have given credit for a few weeks, but within a year the win would be dismissed as hand picking a smaller man from a lower weight class and that is a FACT.Absolute pigs fucking drivel. I said Tackie would beat Hatton and i picked Kostya over Hatton as did 99% of the boxing world. One upset certainly does not mean the kid has arrived. Its no diffrent to Froch beating Taylor accept Kostya had one foot in retirement and had seen better days. The Tackie result wasnt too surprising considering Kostya handed him a one sided beat down, but the manner of the Kostya victory was because Hatton broke all the goddam rules and rubbit punched and mauled his way to a stoppage. The rest of your post is pure hogwash. At least try and get a semblance of some of your facts straight instead of writing a steaming pile of horse shit. I picked Paulie and Castillo over Hatton? FFS :roll:

As for Hatton i have NEVER insinuated once he was NOT world class so get your facts fucking straight. My point was his was carefully managed career which you certainly attested to when Spud started a thread calling him Britains number 1 comfort fighter.

[scurlaruntings]

I was around and the time and can confirm what Strike has said. The Zoo fight in particular was a low point for the Scurla and Betty Axis of Drivel.

Having claimed for years that Hatton was too scared to fight Zoo, when the fight gets announced they spend the next few months claiming its a PR stunt and that Hatton will pull out with a fake injury and mocking people who bought tickets for the fight for being naive and unware of how the sport really works (an early variation of Scurlas "you're not a true boxing fan if you disagree with me" tactic).

As it becomes obvious that the fight is going to happen they change tack and insist that Hatton will be stopped inside 2 rounds, as soon as Zoo times Hatton coming in with a overhand right the fight will be over. By this stage Scurla and Betty are almost beside themselves with glee and can't wait for the fight to happen to see Hatton "brutally KO'd".

After Hatton wins the fight, using "get in close" tactics that most of his fans on here predicted he'd use but that Betty and Scurla insisted would be playing in Zoos hands by leaving himself open the right hand on the way in, it all goes quiet for a week or so until one of them gets the bright idea to start blaming the referee for Zoos loss.

Other excuses followed including, amongst others, that it was unfair on Zoo because he'd had to fight at 2am!!! The fact that this was obviously the exact same time that Hatton had to fight seemed to have escaped their notice.

And, to be honest, its just been more of the same embarrassing, hate filled bullshit for the last 4 years waiting for Hatton to slip up so they can absurdly claim they were "right" all along!!Ya darn fucking skippy. paybacks a bisnitch! I sat through all that WBU shit. I want my money fucking back.

[Strike]

Absolute pigs fucking drivel. I said Tackie would beat Hatton and i picked Kostya over Hatton as did 99% of the boxing world. One upset certainly does not mean the kid has arrived. Its no diffrent to Froch beating Taylor accept Kostya had one foot in retirement and had seen better days. The Tackie result wasnt too surprising considering Kostya handed him a one sided beat down, but the manner of the Kostya victory was because Hatton broke all the goddam rules and rubbit punched and mauled his way to a stoppage. The rest of your post is pure hogwash. At least try and get a semblance of some of your facts straight instead of writing a steaming pile of horse shit. I picked Paulie and Castillo over Hatton? FFS :roll:

As for Hatton i have NEVER insinuated once he was NOT world class so get your facts fucking straight. My point was his was carefully managed career which you certainly attested to when Spud started a thread calling him Britains number 1 comfort fighter.

You picked Tackie by KO inside 3 rounds. FACT.

Any Brit forum poster of the time (and many are at Doghouse so could easily verify it) will remember, as does GazOC.

You said Tackie would starch him based on the being dropped by Magee.

When I asked you who would be a good opponent after the Castillo fight you gave a list of guys he would duck because they were prime and would beat him, one of them was Paulie. FACT.

It was not one upset. He beat a guy who had just demolished the number 2 Mitchell, and he went on to beat several fighters who have proved they belong at world level. Urango does not look like such a shit name now does it?
Elite? No. World Championship standard? Yes.

He beat Paulie better than Cotto did and he was competetive although losing to PBF until the 10th. He got obliterated by Manny.

Plenty of world class guys and even ATG fighters have been destroyed. Frazier twice, Hearns, Duran. Duran was whipped twice by ATG legends. Hatton has had the same happen.
Before you start with a strawman, no I am not comparing Hatton to Duran as a fighter, but pointing out that losing to two ATGs does not remove what he has achieved.

I would still pick him over the likes of Bradley, Holt et al.

And deep down you know full well that if he had beaten Pacman, you would have within months have used the starting weight as a way to discredit the win.

You are totally blinded by hatred and I can hand on heart say that there is not a fighter that has lived who I judge in such an obsessive and biased manner as you and Betty judge Hatton.

[PaddyD1983]

I think it's natural for someone to go to great lengths to prove their point. I've done it myself with Naz a number of times.

But the blinding hatred is unfathomable.

[Utter1]

The same as I did before the Pac fight, a genuine world class fighter who was a decent and legitimate world champion for 4 years.


So you agree with me that he isnt an all time great........well what were u trying to argue against?

Champion for 4 years but selected his opponents aswell.

Like i said before he is not the only one........Mayweather does it, Vlad does it...........not many take on all comers.........Hopkins, Pacman, Marquez do.

[onourway]

Strike vs Scurla is starting to look a bit like Pac Vs Hatton :rofl

[Cobbler]

Strike vs Scurla is starting to look a bit like Pac Vs Hatton :rofl

No way, this one is a sustained beatdown Calzaghe v Lacy style, rather than a spectacular knock out.

Poor Scurla is still on his feet, but he might never be the same again :!:

[PaddyD1983]

No way, this one is a sustained beatdown Calzaghe v Lacy style, rather than a spectacular knock out.

Poor Scurla is still on his feet, but he might never be the same again :!:

Throw in the towel... throw in the damn towel

[scurlaruntings]

Strike vs Scurla is starting to look a bit like Pac Vs Hatton :rofl:lol: Yeah your right. 240lb Scurla vs 112lbs of sopping wet Strike (including the Dax weighing down his barnet) results in a stunning KO. Strike gets scrapped off the pavement and sent packing back up North.

[Strike]

:lol: Yeah your right. 240lb Scurla vs 112lbs of sopping wet Strike (including the Dax weighing down his barnet) results in a stunning KO. Strike gets scrapped off the pavement and sent packing back up North.

Wrong. I simply lace a bucket of KFC with arsenic and as you rush in you spot the chicken, stop to devour it and keel over dead as you are just 2ft from me.

[GazOC]

So you agree with me that he isnt an all time great........well what were u trying to argue against?

Champion for 4 years but selected his opponents aswell.

Like i said before he is not the only one........Mayweather does it, Vlad does it...........not many take on all comers.........Hopkins, Pacman, Marquez do.

I've never said Hatton is an ATG, he obviously isn't. What I'm "arguing" against is your appraisal of Frochs career and options open to him.

When you have an agenda most champions can be accused of "selecting" opponents, you can always spin the line that someone has been ducked during most title reigns.

Look at the example of Bradley who Hatton has been accused of ducking in this thread, when did Hatton duck that fight? Before Witter Bradley had fought no one, he then beats gatekeeper Edner Cherry on points, during that time frame Hatton fights PBF, Lascano and the #1 ranked PaulieM and yet Hatton still ducked Bradley....sometimes its true but mostly its just agenda driven around here.

[Utter1]

I've never said Hatton is an ATG, he obviously isn't. What I'm "arguing" against is your appraisal of Frochs career and options open to him.

When you have an agenda most champions can be accused of "selecting" opponents, you can always spin the line that someone has been ducked during most title reigns.

Look at the example of Bradley who Hatton has been accused of ducking in this thread, when did Hatton duck that fight? Before Witter Bradley had fought no one, he then beats gatekeeper Edner Cherry on points, during that time frame Hatton fights PBF, Lascano and the #1 ranked PaulieM and yet Hatton still ducked Bradley....sometimes its true but mostly its just agenda driven around here.

So you agree with me basically............as for the stuff about timothy.........ur right but i personally never brought it up as an issue.

Why dont we ALL talk about Pacman and his All time great status..........i thought he was a 5 weight champ..........but some sources are saying 6?

What about the possible fghters for Pac to fight?

F. Mayweather 140
T. Bradley 140
Holt 140
S. Mosley 147
M. Cotto 147
P. Williams 147 or 154
C. Spinks 154

[PaddyD1983]

What about the possible fghters for Pac to fight?

F. Mayweather 140
T. Bradley 140
Holt 140
S. Mosley 147
M. Cotto 147
P. Williams 147 or 154
C. Spinks 154

I'd leave in Floyd, Cotto, Mosley and Williams and add JMM again (even if he is beaten by Floyd, unless Pac then beats Floyd).

Any of those fights would excite me. There's a lot of fights out there for Pac. If I was him, I'd stay away from Williams. Other than that he can cause anyone else problems.

[dwilson]

Matthew and Ricky should fight each other.

[RafaelGonzal]

Me, Scurla and a couple of others were right all along on this one.

No home cooking to help here, no bent ref, no near-retired old men to fight. He even tried his dirty tactics in the second round.

No excuses.....Wicky was just never as good as most of you thought. He didn't struggle with the mediocre Collazo because of size or flu. He didn't get beat by Mayweather because of the ref. Hatton has always been a B level fighter at best with a glass jaw and a seriously manufactured career....and all the excuses in the world surely cannot fool anybody any more...even the most deluded of Hatton huggers.

Will be interesting to see if this knocks some humility as well as sense into Wicky.

you Sir, are absolutely correct