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doug.ie
05-03-2009, 10:13 AM
..i think, and have been thinking for a while, that hatton trained himself for that fight...
his girlfriend was in tears long before the fight started...his family knew it was all fooked up behind the scenes for him.

when ricky is on forn and motivated he has this little run and skip thing where he kicks up his heels....he looked kinda lost from when he got into the ring.
billy graham would never had ricky going into the ring like that.

anyway...not looking for excuses...i know know manny would have beat any version of ricky..i didnt think it was possible for manny to do that...
manny pac is one of the all time greats...not just this time, but of all time.

ero-sennin
05-03-2009, 10:22 AM
He also came to the ring before Manny and at the time I didn't think too much of it but thinking about it now, he looked very nervous, tense. Sounded like he was trying to instill confidence in himself with all those bold statements rather than actually believing them.

After the first round when Mayweather sr was talking to him in the corner, Ricky didn't hear a word of what Mayweather said to him. It was like he'd already given up and didn't want to listen.


I'm a Pac nuthugger btw before I get accused of making excuses for Ricky. I felt sad for Hatton though, glad he's okay.

trotter
05-03-2009, 10:35 AM
..i think, and have been thinking for a while, that hatton trained himself for that fight...


Sad exactly the same myself, exactly the vibe I got

The Bang Benang
05-03-2009, 12:23 PM
The camp focused too much on CHANGING Ricky but not actually creating a gameplan, they would make him look sharp on the heavy bag and pads but what about sparring? was he really transferring those skills into his sparring? I doubt it. Why wasn't there more southpaws in sparring?

Overall, too much focus on changing Ricky as a fighter but not actually creating a gameplan, Freddie Roach makes gameplans, he practices them with the fighter, and then gets them to execute them when the timing is correct, thats my Manny won, he had that perfectly timed hook practiced and evaluated in his camp as part of the game plan.

kerrminator
05-03-2009, 12:54 PM
..i think, and have been thinking for a while, that hatton trained himself for that fight...
his girlfriend was in tears long before the fight started...his family knew it was all fooked up behind the scenes for him.

when ricky is on forn and motivated he has this little run and skip thing where he kicks up his heels....he looked kinda lost from when he got into the ring.
billy graham would never had ricky going into the ring like that.

anyway...not looking for excuses...i know know manny would have beat any version of ricky..i didnt think it was possible for manny to do that...
manny pac is one of the all time greats...not just this time, but of all time.

Yeah ,he did look like a beaten man during his entrance. It was quite strange to see. Not sure I agree with Manny would beat any version of Ricky though. The Hatton who beat Kostys Tszyu would tear him a new one imo.

The ballooning weight etc all seems to have caught up with him and something was definitely up with team Hatton last night. Almost as if their had just been a big bust up in the dressing room or something. His GF even looked as though something was up during his ring walk.

evil G
05-03-2009, 12:55 PM
The camp focused too much on CHANGING Ricky but not actually creating a gameplan, they would make him look sharp on the heavy bag and pads but what about sparring? was he really transferring those skills into his sparring? I doubt it. Why wasn't there more southpaws in sparring?

Overall, too much focus on changing Ricky as a fighter but not actually creating a gameplan, Freddie Roach makes gameplans, he practices them with the fighter, and then gets them to execute them when the timing is correct, thats my Manny won, he had that perfectly timed hook practiced and evaluated in his camp as part of the game plan.

I agree, Roach can take a lot of credit for last night's fight.

riggers
05-03-2009, 02:16 PM
he did seem totally beaten between rounds. No fire nada ! It was a shame to see. That could be down to a number of things, but credit has to go to Pac.

Jetset78
05-03-2009, 02:26 PM
I knew it was gonna go all wrong when he didnt have Blue Moon playing on his entrance and all the Hatton fans seemed really subdued...it was all a bit weird.

He looked nervous as hell, much like when he fought Mayweather. Billy Graham didnt help his nerves then and wouldnt have done last night either

Guy
05-03-2009, 02:28 PM
He looked very nervous and slightly gaunt, stress?Where Pac looked great,happy and confident and rightly so.

It was a sad sight to behold for me personally....

scurlaruntings
05-03-2009, 02:41 PM
Shouldnt have got rid of Billy. Graham knew how to work to Hattons strengths. Snr would never have a clue. You cant change a guys style fundamentally. You can only make adjustments to what there already capable of.

Brummy1976
05-03-2009, 02:51 PM
Shouldnt have got rid of Billy. Graham knew how to work to Hattons strengths. Snr would never have a clue. You cant change a guys style fundamentally. You can only make adjustments to what there already capable of.Totally agree.Its like when naz got rid of ingle, i dont care who he had in his corner after that,he was never going to be as effective.

scurlaruntings
05-03-2009, 02:54 PM
Totally agree.Its like when naz got rid of ingle, i dont care who he had in his corner after that,he was never going to be as effective.So true. And despite being a big fan of Naz i hated him for dumping Ingle and putting Suarez and Manny in his corner. NEITHER man did ANYTHING for him or his style and the rot had already settled in.

AceNguyen
05-03-2009, 03:02 PM
Stop blaming this fight on Mayweather Sr., he showed Ricky what to do but in the end Ricky wasn't good enough to put it into practice. NO version of Ricky Hatton could ever beat the Manny Pacquiao that showed up.

stittyb
05-03-2009, 04:01 PM
Stop blaming this fight on Mayweather Sr., he showed Ricky what to do but in the end Ricky wasn't good enough to put it into practice. NO version of Ricky Hatton could ever beat the Manny Pacquiao that showed up.

I don't think anyone is blaming Mayweather Sr. here. I think the point is that Hatton and Graham go way back. You need that sense of normality, and the friendship of a life long coach going into a big fight.

Raider Rudy
05-03-2009, 04:02 PM
Yeah ,he did look like a beaten man during his entrance. It was quite strange to see. Not sure I agree with Manny would beat any version of Ricky though. The Hatton who beat Kostys Tszyu would tear him a new one imo.

The ballooning weight etc all seems to have caught up with him and something was definitely up with team Hatton last night. Almost as if their had just been a big bust up in the dressing room or something. His GF even looked as though something was up during his ring walk.
Ha Ha Ha Ha:D

AceNguyen
05-03-2009, 04:06 PM
I don't think anyone is blaming Mayweather Sr. here. I think the point is that Hatton and Graham go way back. You need that sense of normality, and the friendship of a life long coach going into a big fight.

I'm sorry, I must be on edge because of this horrible article my Glenn McCrory.

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And there is only one person who can take the blame for that. Not Ricky, not Lee Beard, not even Manny Pacquiao. As far as I am concerned, it can only be Floyd Mayweather Snr.

xoborp
05-03-2009, 04:49 PM
The camp focused too much on CHANGING Ricky but not actually creating a gameplan, they would make him look sharp on the heavy bag and pads but what about sparring? was he really transferring those skills into his sparring? I doubt it. Why wasn't there more southpaws in sparring?

Overall, too much focus on changing Ricky as a fighter but not actually creating a gameplan, Freddie Roach makes gameplans, he practices them with the fighter, and then gets them to execute them when the timing is correct, thats my Manny won, he had that perfectly timed hook practiced and evaluated in his camp as part of the game plan.
You are quite right, roach had that plan and hook mastered to perfection for hatton, if anybody has followed the 24/7 build up, there is a part of it where manny and roach are working the pads and manny throws that combo then roach stops and tells manny that it is over and intimates that hatton is on the floor....

riggers
05-03-2009, 04:53 PM
Everyone was singing Mayweathers praises after the Malignaggi win !

Guy
05-03-2009, 04:58 PM
Everyone was singing Mayweathers praises after the Malignaggi win !


Thats true but Billy Graham said the only thing he did differently was show some patience(Where's was that last night!!) and not go to the body enough.

JIM KELLY
05-03-2009, 05:12 PM
Yaeh, he rushed in like some desperado!
Snr told hatton to keep his hands up and he did not!

cockney wankers
05-03-2009, 05:51 PM
Billy Graham is an average trainer who got lucky with a brilliant fighter. Who else has he trained that turned out to be any good?

The truth is hatton's terrible lifestyle has caught up with him(albeit much later than expected) and that Pacman is one of the all time greats

dwilson
05-04-2009, 06:56 AM
He had the same look against Mayweather. He was shit scared knowing he was stepping up in class too soon in his career and heading towards an embarrassing loss.

Brummy1976
05-04-2009, 07:13 AM
Everyone was singing Mayweathers praises after the Malignaggi win !Yeah but true boxing fans and realists know the malignaggi affair proved nothing.Now malignaggi is a fighter who should also be retiring, tough at world level thats it, he will take beatings in the future

dwilson
05-04-2009, 07:20 AM
Yeah but true boxing fans and realists know the malignaggi affair proved nothing.Now malignaggi is a fighter who should also be retiring, tough at world level thats it, he will take beatings in the future


Jeez I thought that the Malinfaggi win proved Hatton was a far better fighter than he ever had been before and totally different to the fighter that struggled against Lascano and Collazo? I still believe the current Hatton is the best version of Hatton but he is still nothing more than a very slow, crude pub park brawler.

Hatton has always looked good against non punchers and always held on for his life against moderate punchers.

Tuffnutz
05-04-2009, 07:41 AM
Hatton never seemed up for the fight to me.

All week he did'nt have that fired up look going on.

He's usually like the energizer bunny and rareing to go but we saw none of that.

I'm not sure if he really believed in himself for this one.

dan-b
05-04-2009, 07:49 AM
I'm sorry, I must be on edge because of this horrible article my Glenn McCrory.

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That whole article is tainted within the first paragraph when he refers to his 'mate'. It never ceases to amaze me the way Sky let ex-sportsmen get away with the kind of sloppy reporting a full time journalist would be sacked for.

Does anyone here think Floyd told Ricky to charge in with his hands down the way the article infers? McCrory must have been too concerned about his mate to hear the desperate advice Floyd was attempting to give him in between rounds.

scurlaruntings
05-04-2009, 08:57 AM
Hatton never seemed up for the fight to me.

All week he did'nt have that fired up look going on.

He's usually like the energizer bunny and rareing to go but we saw none of that.

I'm not sure if he really believed in himself for this one.
Thats because the stark reality stared him in the face from the otherside of the ring and Ricky knew he didnt have the tools. His entire career reminds me of the story about the Emperor and his new clothes.

scurlaruntings
05-04-2009, 09:01 AM
That whole article is tainted within the first paragraph when he refers to his 'mate'. It never ceases to amaze me the way Sky let ex-sportsmen get away with the kind of sloppy reporting a full time journalist would be sacked for.

Does anyone here think Floyd told Ricky to charge in with his hands down the way the article infers? McCrory must have been too concerned about his mate to hear the desperate advice Floyd was attempting to give him in between rounds.This isnt new. Those wankers at SKY have been doing this for years with there partisan crap. Watt Dark and that lemming Glenn are all guilty of it. They cowtail to it all because thats what pays there bills and there willing to say anything so long as they have a job. Its not by coincidence the brilliant Steven Holdsworth never got a job on SKY and instead was banished to Eurosport to report on syncronised tiddlywinks and K1 bouts/replays from last year.

robpalmer135
05-04-2009, 11:21 AM
He had the same look against Mayweather. He was shit scared knowing he was stepping up in class too soon in his career and heading towards an embarrassing loss.

Dont agree with stepping up to soon. He had 45 fighy before Mayweather. He genuinley thought he would beat Floyd but dont think he fancied Manny.

Brummy1976
05-04-2009, 12:27 PM
Jeez I thought that the Malinfaggi win proved Hatton was a far better fighter than he ever had been before and totally different to the fighter that struggled against Lascano and Collazo? I still believe the current Hatton is the best version of Hatton but he is still nothing more than a very slow, crude pub park brawler.

Hatton has always looked good against non punchers and always held on for his life against moderate punchers.The reason he looked good against malignaggi is because malignaggi is a powder puff puncher.Do u honestly think hatton was a totally different fighter in these fights or was it the opposition he was facing ?????

fatcity
05-04-2009, 03:28 PM
McCrory should stick to bragging about his boxing career and not pretend he is a journalist.He,like Ricky,appear to have taken too many punches to the head.