Hatton's chin and brutal KO - Why?

[TFFP]

Simple question, this has been intriguing me.

What do YOU think the reason(s) are for Hatton's vulnerability last night?

We know he's been hurt a few times in the past, against Magee, Collazo, Mayweather, Lazcano culminating in last night.

But what is the reason for him looking quite so easily hurt? Mayweather had to grind him down. The other guys hurt him, but not quite with every shot as last night.

Previously, people were saying quite rightly that Manny never really hurt Oscar badly, it took him a long time to break down a leaden footed David Diaz etc.

So WHY and HOW?

[trotter]

Accumulated damage over the years, and as he's fought better guys he's shipped more punishment

I think Tszyu took a lot away from him personally

[onourway]

Because he landed a massive left hook square on the chin of an on rushing Hatton.

[SouthpawSlayer]

all of the above

[El Cepillo]

I think his lifestyle has caught up with him.

He is a shop worn fighter, relied on physical attributes that were inevitabley going to decline.

Throw in the training camp fiasco, and the brilliance of Pac-Man and that pretty much covers it.

[JonOli]

People have been saying Hattons chin is cracked after the evidence in the Lazcano fight. I spent time arguing against them that it wasn't - i'm not so sure now.

I thought there was a good chance that Pac may stop him from an accumulation of punches but never did I expect it from one single punch.

[LHL]

Looking through the options i'd say its abit of them all except the last one.

[Betty Swollocks]

combination of shite defence and shite chin. He got rocked by guys like Magee and Vincent Phillips....banjoed badly by PBF and Pacman who have not taken anyone as brutally out like that for a very long time...if at all. Then there's Collazo, Lazcano.

[GPater11093]

he walked onto to them shots so they was double the power

[Grievesy]

I'd say a combination of the first three. Pacquiao clearly has carried his power up through the weights, combined with the fact Manny was just too fast for him and he was walking forward, hands down into these punches. All that equalled bad news for Hatton.

The first knockdown looked alot like the knockdown from the Mayweather fight, where Hatton lunged in and got caught by a counter, with him falling down face first.

[Naidah]

I'm fucking pissed off with seeing our lads getting KO'd all the time!!

Why do so many of our fighters have glass jaws?

[TFFP]

Does this result change how people see Bradley/Hatton?

Are people quite so quick to rule out Tim "Desert Storm" Bradley? :think

[El Cepillo]

Does this result change how people see Bradley/Hatton?

Are people quite so quick to rule out Tim "Desert Storm" Bradley? :think

I might be wrong but Bradley doesn't seem like much of a puncher, so I would still favour Hatton, although a points win for either doesn't seem that unlikely.

[Guy]

His punch resistance has deteriorated badly it seems, every punch seemed to have an effect.

He also looked nervous/scared almost, maybe thats why his defence was so awful and the gameplan was left in tatters

He hadn't filled out as much as i'd expected either he looked gaunt whilst Pac looked fit, confident and happy to be there.

Basically a mixture of all the options above.:verysad

[GPater11093]

Does this result change how people see Bradley/Hatton?

Are people quite so quick to rule out Tim "Desert Storm" Bradley? :think

i have always givin Bradley a chance in what would be a great fight. Bradley puts alot of pressure on throws alot of punches and has good technique with a decent defence.
Now i give him more of a chance (see below)

I might be wrong but Bradley doesn't seem like much of a puncher, so I would still favour Hatton, although a points win for either doesn't seem that unlikely.

Bradley isnt much of a puncher but he has a hoorin overhand right that is pretty solid. A pointswin seems likely




My view on it is Bradley can us his better boxing ability to use an intelligent game plan to beat Hatton on points (cat be arsed goin into more detail as i could spend all day doing it)

[doggyland]

Manny's feet were planted lovely and he swang his body into that left - Hatton walking in too - it would have put most men down imo.
The first round KDs though - they are more interesting i reckon - he was buzzed very early on...I think it's the old 'if you don't see it - it's gonna hurt'.

[catasyou]

Well it's most likely a combination of all the options except the last one,years of wear and tear,Pac's power,not seeing the shots,the ballooning up in weight,etc all counted in what happened.And plus he hit his head on the canvas bad which added to the getting ''brutally KO'd'' thing.

[JonOli]

Does this result change how people see Bradley/Hatton?

Are people quite so quick to rule out Tim "Desert Storm" Bradley? :think


Bradly isn't known as a big puncher. I remember the presenters referring to him as feather fisted against Holt. That may a bit harsh mind. His record doesn't suggest that.

I'd always give Bradly a chance.

Were five years down the road from the fight against Tszyu. A lot of pies, pints, punches on the chin and millions in the bank.

[sinner78]

The lifestyle of constant binging and the mayweather loss sent him on a decline. Im still stunned he got taken down in 2 rounds .

[JonOli]

He just dropped like a log, like Roy Jones did against Johnson.

[kerrminator]

Ricky's decline has been evident for a few fights now and I think the Malinaggi fight merely papered over some cracks. His days at the top level are well and truly over. He should retire with his health intact and enjoy his earnings and focus on his promotional company.

[Boro chris]

I'm fucking pissed off with seeing our lads getting KO'd all the time!!

Why do so many of our fighters have glass jaws?

Froch?:D Allright he an unskilled caveman but you can't have everything.

[JonOli]

It's hard to take in that Hatton has spent over 40 odd fights eating punches as a defence, then a guy from the smaller weights just drops him like a log.

[IronBull]

Hatton have to be fit ALL THE TIME but he don't care what he eat.

He always FAT after the fight then train too hard to make the weight.

[nicofly]

Think it could be fair to say it you could say All of the above to some degree.

[GazOC]

Take your pick out of options 2,3 and to a lesser extent 5.

[cockney wankers]

2,4,5

[steelem]

quite clearly out classed - not only from trainer tactics but from the fastest guy ive ever seen - think we watched a boxer last night who is just in another league

[nulty]

Does this result change how people see Bradley/Hatton?

Are people quite so quick to rule out Tim "Desert Storm" Bradley? :think

I've never ruled him out. I bet money on him to beat him Witter and think he is a vastly overlooked and underrated fighter.

[BremnerBomber]

Simple question, this has been intriguing me.

What do YOU think the reason(s) are for Hatton's vulnerability last night?

We know he's been hurt a few times in the past, against Magee, Collazo, Mayweather, Lazcano culminating in last night.

But what is the reason for him looking quite so easily hurt? Mayweather had to grind him down. The other guys hurt him, but not quite with every shot as last night.

Previously, people were saying quite rightly that Manny never really hurt Oscar badly, it took him a long time to break down a leaden footed David Diaz etc.

So WHY and HOW?


I was going to post a similar thread

I have no Idea what happened to his chin and punch resistance, I thought that it was a one off thing in the PBF fight because none of the KD punches looked that devastating and I put t down to tiredness and being broken and frutrated by PBF...... but the same thing Happened with Pacman, some of those KD's were trully pathetic for a top level "tough" fighter in his own weight class.

I'm a big Hatton fan..... But I'm very dissapointed in Hattons preformance and I don't really want him to fight again

[Naidah]

Froch?:D Allright he an unskilled caveman but you can't have everything.


Ok, but he's not Hagler-esq. Good chin yes, but he got heavily dropped by a former middleweight that was not known for his power.

Calzaghe has a good chin, but even he put us through hell against Hopkins and Jones, I just wonder if those guys had been younger, perhaps they'd have gone in for the kill.

Lewis had a decent chin but again was knocked out.

Naz had a reasonable beard but was floored a few times, and gave us a few scares especially in the Kelly fight.

Benn was always dodgy around the whiskers.

Bruno got knocked out whenever he fought for a world title.

Hide was terrible.

Even Haye looks to have a very dodgy beard and let's not even talk about our best prospect, Amir Khan!

When are we going to get a Oliver McCall or a Margarito? A rock, concrete chin?

Eubank was a one off mind you.

[TFFP]

Ok, but he's not Hagler-esq. Good chin yes, but he got heavily dropped by a former middleweight that was not known for his power.

Calzaghe has a good chin, but even he put us through hell against Hopkins and Jones, I just wonder if those guys had been younger, perhaps they'd have gone in for the kill.

Lewis had a decent chin but again was knocked out.

Naz had a reasonable beard but was floored a few times, and gave us a few scares especially in the Kelly fight.

Benn was always dodgy around the whiskers.

Bruno got knocked out whenever he fought for a world title.

Hide was terrible.

Even Haye looks to have a very dodgy beard and let's not even talk about our best prospect, Amir Khan!

When are we going to get a Oliver McCall or a Margarito? A rock, concrete chin?

Eubank was a one off mind you.
Margarito got pummeled, put on the canvas, and then knocked out recently.

His chin was blown out of all proportion, just because he took Cotto's punches off the backfoot. It is not an Oliver McCall type chin.

These chins don't come around too often, its not normal for humans to take hard punches to the head on a regular basis from trained punchers and not sustain damage.

[JIM KELLY]

Pacman was precised and kept landing at the right point. Hatton got hurt early and was just fukked from there on.

[BamBam]

Straight line fighter with fuck all head movement against PacMan who has speed, decent power, good accuracy and good timing.

I had started off saying Pac KO around 7-8. When I saw Hatton didn't have the big physical/weight advantage, on fight night, that he was supposed to have I changed to Pac KO 5. But when I saw Pac land 3 right hands flush within 30 seconds of the start I just thought 'this is going to be fucking brutal' and so it was

[JIM KELLY]

Jim-- "its the speed, its the speed"

[Axl_Nose]

The most striking thing about last night is how inept Hatton was, yeah Manny Pac is great but Hatton is a whole lot better than he showed last night.
Jim Watt commented on how relaxed he looked as made his ring walk, i didnt see it like that, i saw a man who looked edgy, nervous and tight. He looked subdued, he didnt have that usual fire about him. He looked like a lamb going to the slaughter as if he knew that this fight is only going one way. Even in the stare down before round 1 he wouldnt look at Manny.
Then he comes out in round 1 throwing wildly, looking like a 5 fight novice, no headmovement, no technique and for a man whose had 46 fights looking like a guy who had no idea what he was supposed to be doing.
What exactly was Hatton's gameplan and strategy last night, what has he been working on in training ?
Hatton would have always lost to Pac because Manny is too skilled but Ricky is far better than that humiliation.
Floyd Mayweather has been a total disaster for him. He has been a disgrace in the build up to the fight, turning up late for training, making the fight all about himself and not being able to instill a gameplan for Hatton. I've got a feeling that things are going to come out that Hatton and Mayweather didnt get on and that Hatton couldnt work with him but he realised too late so had to go ahead with the fight.

Mayweather calls himself the greatest trainer in the world but i'd be interested in some of you guys informing me who he has actually trained apart from Oscar and the adjustments and gameplans he's used for fighters ..
Whenever i see him he sounds like hes half crazy, half drugged up doing his lame, 2nd rate Ali impersonations ..
Hatton's preparations were clearly not right, and he was taken in by a 'name' trainer who took his money and did a 2nd rate job, a prepared Hatton is good enough to last 7 or 8 rounds with Pac as good as Pac is.

I think Hatton knew what was coming when he walked to the ring, he didnt wait for 'Blue Moon' to play to gee the fans, he didnt have any fire and he had a look in the eyes that said, 'oh shit, im going to have to take my medicine here, i cant win this' ..

I very rarely feel sorry for fighters who get paid 20 million when they're skills dont deserve it but i felt sorry for Hatton last night .. I've been watching boxing long enough to know that this was a guy that entered that ring 'Knowing' he had no chance of winning and would probably take a beating .. That kind of courage and bravery should be recognised, its a hell of a thing being humiliated and brutalized like that in front of millions, whether your getting well paid for it or not ....

[Nestea]

Ah this is the thread I can find tons of excuses.

[draw99]

The most striking thing about last night is how inept Hatton was, yeah Manny Pac is great but Hatton is a whole lot better than he showed last night.
Jim Watt commented on how relaxed he looked as made his ring walk, i didnt see it like that, i saw a man who looked edgy, nervous and tight. He looked subdued, he didnt have that usual fire about him. He looked like a lamb going to the slaughter as if he knew that this fight is only going one way. Even in the stare down before round 1 he wouldnt look at Manny.
Then he comes out in round 1 throwing wildly, looking like a 5 fight novice, no headmovement, no technique and for a man whose had 46 fights looking like a guy who had no idea what he was supposed to be doing.
What exactly was Hatton's gameplan and strategy last night, what has he been working on in training ?
Hatton would have always lost to Pac because Manny is too skilled but Ricky is far better than that humiliation.
Floyd Mayweather has been a total disaster for him. He has been a disgrace in the build up to the fight, turning up late for training, making the fight all about himself and not being able to instill a gameplan for Hatton. I've got a feeling that things are going to come out that Hatton and Mayweather didnt get on and that Hatton couldnt work with him but he realised too late so had to go ahead with the fight.

Mayweather calls himself the greatest trainer in the world but i'd be interested in some of you guys informing me who he has actually trained apart from Oscar and the adjustments and gameplans he's used for fighters ..
Whenever i see him he sounds like hes half crazy, half drugged up doing his lame, 2nd rate Ali impersonations ..
Hatton's preparations were clearly not right, and he was taken in by a 'name' trainer who took his money and did a 2nd rate job, a prepared Hatton is good enough to last 7 or 8 rounds with Pac as good as Pac is.

I think Hatton knew what was coming when he walked to the ring, he didnt wait for 'Blue Moon' to play to gee the fans, he didnt have any fire and he had a look in the eyes that said, 'oh shit, im going to have to take my medicine here, i cant win this' ..

I very rarely feel sorry for fighters who get paid 20 million when they're skills dont deserve it but i felt sorry for Hatton last night .. I've been watching boxing long enough to know that this was a guy that entered that ring 'Knowing' he had no chance of winning and would probably take a beating .. That kind of courage and bravery should be recognised, its a hell of a thing being humiliated and brutalized like that in front of millions, whether your getting well paid for it or not ....


Well said. Hatton would never beat Pac, but he was miles better than that performance.

[Guy]

The most striking thing about last night is how inept Hatton was, yeah Manny Pac is great but Hatton is a whole lot better than he showed last night.
Jim Watt commented on how relaxed he looked as made his ring walk, i didnt see it like that, i saw a man who looked edgy, nervous and tight. He looked subdued, he didnt have that usual fire about him. He looked like a lamb going to the slaughter as if he knew that this fight is only going one way. Even in the stare down before round 1 he wouldnt look at Manny.
Then he comes out in round 1 throwing wildly, looking like a 5 fight novice, no headmovement, no technique and for a man whose had 46 fights looking like a guy who had no idea what he was supposed to be doing.
What exactly was Hatton's gameplan and strategy last night, what has he been working on in training ?
Hatton would have always lost to Pac because Manny is too skilled but Ricky is far better than that humiliation.
Floyd Mayweather has been a total disaster for him. He has been a disgrace in the build up to the fight, turning up late for training, making the fight all about himself and not being able to instill a gameplan for Hatton. I've got a feeling that things are going to come out that Hatton and Mayweather didnt get on and that Hatton couldnt work with him but he realised too late so had to go ahead with the fight.

Mayweather calls himself the greatest trainer in the world but i'd be interested in some of you guys informing me who he has actually trained apart from Oscar and the adjustments and gameplans he's used for fighters ..
Whenever i see him he sounds like hes half crazy, half drugged up doing his lame, 2nd rate Ali impersonations ..
Hatton's preparations were clearly not right, and he was taken in by a 'name' trainer who took his money and did a 2nd rate job, a prepared Hatton is good enough to last 7 or 8 rounds with Pac as good as Pac is.

I think Hatton knew what was coming when he walked to the ring, he didnt wait for 'Blue Moon' to play to gee the fans, he didnt have any fire and he had a look in the eyes that said, 'oh shit, im going to have to take my medicine here, i cant win this' ..

I very rarely feel sorry for fighters who get paid 20 million when they're skills dont deserve it but i felt sorry for Hatton last night .. I've been watching boxing long enough to know that this was a guy that entered that ring 'Knowing' he had no chance of winning and would probably take a beating .. That kind of courage and bravery should be recognised, its a hell of a thing being humiliated and brutalized like that in front of millions, whether your getting well paid for it or not ....
Excellent post . I'm still feelin. sad for Hatton but i know that shit is on the button...

[slapsSOgood]

Should have had an option for confidence.

Hatton must've known deep down that he has never been the same since Mayweather. Lazcano gave him a lot of problems from what I hear, and he didnt have to worry about feather fisted Paulie too much, these things mustve played on his mind A LOT.

I still like him though, and its a shame that so many ignorant fucks feel the need to shit on his career now. No need for that. He's world class. Just won't go down as ATG.

[royalt0208]

The most striking thing about last night is how inept Hatton was, yeah Manny Pac is great but Hatton is a whole lot better than he showed last night.
Jim Watt commented on how relaxed he looked as made his ring walk, i didnt see it like that, i saw a man who looked edgy, nervous and tight. He looked subdued, he didnt have that usual fire about him. He looked like a lamb going to the slaughter as if he knew that this fight is only going one way. Even in the stare down before round 1 he wouldnt look at Manny.
Then he comes out in round 1 throwing wildly, looking like a 5 fight novice, no headmovement, no technique and for a man whose had 46 fights looking like a guy who had no idea what he was supposed to be doing.
What exactly was Hatton's gameplan and strategy last night, what has he been working on in training ?
Hatton would have always lost to Pac because Manny is too skilled but Ricky is far better than that humiliation.
Floyd Mayweather has been a total disaster for him. He has been a disgrace in the build up to the fight, turning up late for training, making the fight all about himself and not being able to instill a gameplan for Hatton. I've got a feeling that things are going to come out that Hatton and Mayweather didnt get on and that Hatton couldnt work with him but he realised too late so had to go ahead with the fight.

Mayweather calls himself the greatest trainer in the world but i'd be interested in some of you guys informing me who he has actually trained apart from Oscar and the adjustments and gameplans he's used for fighters ..
Whenever i see him he sounds like hes half crazy, half drugged up doing his lame, 2nd rate Ali impersonations ..
Hatton's preparations were clearly not right, and he was taken in by a 'name' trainer who took his money and did a 2nd rate job, a prepared Hatton is good enough to last 7 or 8 rounds with Pac as good as Pac is.

I think Hatton knew what was coming when he walked to the ring, he didnt wait for 'Blue Moon' to play to gee the fans, he didnt have any fire and he had a look in the eyes that said, 'oh shit, im going to have to take my medicine here, i cant win this' ..

I very rarely feel sorry for fighters who get paid 20 million when they're skills dont deserve it but i felt sorry for Hatton last night .. I've been watching boxing long enough to know that this was a guy that entered that ring 'Knowing' he had no chance of winning and would probably take a beating .. That kind of courage and bravery should be recognised, its a hell of a thing being humiliated and brutalized like that in front of millions, whether your getting well paid for it or not ....

Good post my thoughts exactly. I agree with you on Floyd Mayweather his reputation will take a hiding from this anyway but I wonder how he got that reputation in the first place, like Shane Mosley said recently he felt Oscar's decline began when Oscar switched to Floyd. I wish Ricky choose another trainer now, I am certain that if he went with a Nazim or Birmingham he would have not had to deal with the bs that was coming from Floyd and would have at least gone out with some sort of game plan. I am expecting to here some very interesting things as to what quite went so wrong and to be honest I am shocked that nothing has already been said.

[abzmanc]

Feel bad for Hatton, knew Pac would take it, but not so savagely. However I geniuinely think Hatton's blowing up between fights was devastating to his career longevity. Such weight fluctuating is never good for anyone. Its like going up and down a weight category or two..or three.. each time... definitely not good. I think last night... somehow nerves probably really got to him, and he failed to implement any of his training plan whatsoever. No excuses....just fact. Either way Pac beats him, just maybe not so savagely. Kudos to the Pacman though!

[radab]

Accumulated damage over the years, and as he's fought better guys he's shipped more punishment

I think Tszyu took a lot away from him personally



Totally agree

[radab]

The most striking thing about last night is how inept Hatton was, yeah Manny Pac is great but Hatton is a whole lot better than he showed last night.
Jim Watt commented on how relaxed he looked as made his ring walk, i didnt see it like that, i saw a man who looked edgy, nervous and tight. He looked subdued, he didnt have that usual fire about him. He looked like a lamb going to the slaughter as if he knew that this fight is only going one way. Even in the stare down before round 1 he wouldnt look at Manny.
Then he comes out in round 1 throwing wildly, looking like a 5 fight novice, no headmovement, no technique and for a man whose had 46 fights looking like a guy who had no idea what he was supposed to be doing.
What exactly was Hatton's gameplan and strategy last night, what has he been working on in training ?
Hatton would have always lost to Pac because Manny is too skilled but Ricky is far better than that humiliation.
Floyd Mayweather has been a total disaster for him. He has been a disgrace in the build up to the fight, turning up late for training, making the fight all about himself and not being able to instill a gameplan for Hatton. I've got a feeling that things are going to come out that Hatton and Mayweather didnt get on and that Hatton couldnt work with him but he realised too late so had to go ahead with the fight.

Mayweather calls himself the greatest trainer in the world but i'd be interested in some of you guys informing me who he has actually trained apart from Oscar and the adjustments and gameplans he's used for fighters ..
Whenever i see him he sounds like hes half crazy, half drugged up doing his lame, 2nd rate Ali impersonations ..
Hatton's preparations were clearly not right, and he was taken in by a 'name' trainer who took his money and did a 2nd rate job, a prepared Hatton is good enough to last 7 or 8 rounds with Pac as good as Pac is.

I think Hatton knew what was coming when he walked to the ring, he didnt wait for 'Blue Moon' to play to gee the fans, he didnt have any fire and he had a look in the eyes that said, 'oh shit, im going to have to take my medicine here, i cant win this' ..

I very rarely feel sorry for fighters who get paid 20 million when they're skills dont deserve it but i felt sorry for Hatton last night .. I've been watching boxing long enough to know that this was a guy that entered that ring 'Knowing' he had no chance of winning and would probably take a beating .. That kind of courage and bravery should be recognised, its a hell of a thing being humiliated and brutalized like that in front of millions, whether your getting well paid for it or not ....


Quality post

[Naidah]

Margarito got pummeled, put on the canvas, and then knocked out recently.

His chin was blown out of all proportion, just because he took Cotto's punches off the backfoot. It is not an Oliver McCall type chin.

These chins don't come around too often, its not normal for humans to take hard punches to the head on a regular basis from trained punchers and not sustain damage.


I think you're being harsh on Margarito, it tooks some unbelievable punishment to finally put him away.

The rest I agree with you, people make a big thing about punch resistance, but it's usually because of a bad defence. All humans can only take so much, but obviously some can take more than others. A fighter that is cagey early on and has a good defence can usually avoid being KO'd like Mayweather, Hopkins or Sweet P.

[dan-b]

I think he has declined slightly and was also totally outclassed.

[dwilson]

The 2nd time in his career that Hatton steps up to world class he gets embarrassed and stopped. Hatton is an average fighter but a world class publicity machine.

[Beeston Brawler]

A combination of points 4 and 5.

He has always ate plenty of leather - a lot of people tend to forget that he was hit plenty against Tszyu.... whilst the constant yo-yo dieting was bound to take it's toll.

Could it be argued that he was past his best from the very moment Tszyu quit on his stool?

[Guy]

So if Hatton is an average fighter that makes everyone he's beaten a below average fighter....