Resumes: Lennox Lewis vs. George Foreman

[cross_trainer]

Which fighter is greater, and why?

[dmt]

i rate Foreman higher because head to head i pick him to beat Lewis and i think his superior chin would fare him better vs AGTG'S. Lewis is still top 10 though

Foreman beat Frazier who is better then anyone Lewis beat though Lewis has a deeper resume with a much better title reign

[ChrisPontius]

Foremans record is just a bit better than 50/50 against ranked contenders whereas Lewis' is something like 18-2. While Foreman faced great fighters in Frazier and Ali, i think Lewis' depth makes up for it.

[ron u.k.]

i believe stylewise this is foremans biggest nightmare.against a come forward and smaller frazier foreman was able to bully joe and push him back plus hit sraight down the middle.against big guys like ali and lyle who were not bullied he struggled.lewis would be a mixture of ali and lyle.the jab and all, round talent of ali and the power,strength and size of lyle.
lewis by ud or stoppage between 8 and 12.

[janitor]

I consider Lewis to have the better legacy based on greater depth.

However Foreman tended to make up for his lack of quantity with quality of wins.

[Zakman]

Foreman, because he was a champion in two eras, actually beat some ATG fighters when they were near the top of their game, and wasn't taken out early by second-raters when he held the title.

[hobgoblin]

This is really easy. George Foreman had the better legacy - without a doubt. His win over Joe Frazier on two occasions (and in the fashion too) is far superior to anything Lewis did - including his decision over Holyfield.

Contenders are contenders. 70s or 90s. The Lyle fight was memorable as his fights against Chuvalo, Norton, Peralta, etc. (Lennox would have beat these guys too though) as Lewis' fights against Mercer, Morrison, Tua, and Klitschko were memorable. Both beat plenty of contenders but beating Joe Frazier takes the cake. George's loss to Jimmy Young was one where you clearly see that Foreman was out of it. For good reason too as this was the product of one of Ali's greatest mind game campaigns and uncanny ability to take punches and really make it seem like Foreman hit anything less than a Mack Truck as he kept talking during the fight. But hey, a loss is a loss. Still losing to Jimmy Young in a competitive fight and then losing to the greatest fighter ever is much better than getting KO'd by two journeyman (again, this is a big deal IN COMPARSISON to another ATG Foreman - this does not in any mean that ANYONE can KO Lennox or that Lennox will never be an ATG because of these two).

[hobgoblin]

Foremans record is just a bit better than 50/50 against ranked contenders

:patsch

His work in the 90s has no reflection in the prime version. At his best, he'd have never lost to Tommy Morrison etc.

[shelterr]

Lewis was very technically sound (not to say Foreman wasn't) and other than his two losses by KO losses (both of which were impressively avenged) he beat anyone and everyone that he could. It isn't his fault that he was avoided by Bowe and Holyfield in their primes and Foreman and Tyson in the mid nineties, he was just too much risk. I also don't think that LL would have lost to Jimmy Young in his prime, but the 1974 version of Ali...that would have been a fight.

To have fought so many tough fighters and come away with only 2 losses...that's pretty impressive. I mean c'mon, in the HW division ANY one punch can end a fight, and he still only lost 2 of them. And he was NEVER outboxed in his entire carreer. The same cannot be said for Foreman.

He was KO'd by Ali, and decisioned by Jimmy Young. Even if you look at his comeback fights, he was soundly outboxed by Tommy Morrison and Evander Holyfield. He avenged ZERO of his losses. I know Tommy fought a great fight that night, but this guy could KO almost anything and he could KO Tommy Morrison! LL brutalized Morrison a few years later without breaking a sweat.

[hobgoblin]

Foreman and Tyson

Is it fair to expect 40s Foreman to fight Lewis? I don't take his comeback seriously when thinking of the real Foreman. To even consider this is very unfair.

To have fought so many tough fighters and come away with only 2 losses

Not in comparison to Foreman. When Foreman retired in 1977, he also had only two losses. You talk about avenging defeats. I still think Foreman's losses to Ali & Young unavendge > Lewis' loss to journeymen + avenged.

And he was NEVER outboxed in his entire carreer. The same cannot be said for Foreman.

That is stylistic bias. You can also say that Foreman was never starched by a single punch. Doesn't mean a whole lot to me.

I know Tommy fought a great fight that night, but this guy could KO almost anything and he could KO Tommy Morrison! LL brutalized Morrison a few years later without breaking a sweat.

Means little...70s Foreman would show Lewis how it is done - he'd destroy Morrison under 2 rounds.

[rekcutnevets]

I actually rank them neck and neck all time. I have Lewis right behind Foreman. I think you can argue Lennox accomplished as much as George, I just feel George would take him head to head.

I believe that if they could've faced each other in their primes, Lewis would be in the ring with someone who could bully him for the first time. You might argue that George was only dangerous for 5-7 rounds, but I think that gives him enough time. I don't see Lennox dancing around George, and jabbing. Lewis isn't exactly a dancing machine. I think Foreman will eat his share of punches from Lennox, but I really think he'll push Lewis to the ropes and unload on him. I don't see Lewis making it past 6.

[hobgoblin]

I hate those LL is overrated threads but I must say the poll clearly justifies them.

[rekcutnevets]

Good Foreman wins: Boone Kirkman, Gregorio Peralta, Joe Frazier, Ken Norton, Ron Lyle, John Denis, Adilson Rodriguez, Pierre Coetzer, Michael Moorer, Lou Savarese, and you could argue Shannon Briggs.

Good Lewis wins: Razor Ruddock, Tony Tucker, Frank Bruno, Lionel Butler, Shannon Briggs, Tommy Morrison, Ray Mercer, David Tua, Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson, Vitali Klitscko.

I think Lewis gives Foreman a run for his money. I voted for George, but a 60/40(at time of this post) split in Lewis' favor isn't really a call for overating.

[ChrisPontius]

:patsch

His work in the 90s has no reflection in the prime version. At his best, he'd have never lost to Tommy Morrison etc.

Alright, but in that case you also have to forget about his victory over Moorer. It works both ways.

And in that case he's only faced:
Peralta
Frazier (he wasn't ranked the second time as far as i know)
Norton
Lyle
Chuvalo
Ali (loss)
Young (loss)

That's 5-2 against Lewis' 18-2.

[Duodenum]

I was actually surprised that Foreman stated he didn't want to take on Lennox. George didn't take a backwards step against Holyfield, who was able to bull Lewis around a bit. Foreman also stood up to Cooney's best hook, whereas I don't think Cooney and Lewis could have withstood one another's hardest shot. Lewis would have had to beat George by giving ground.

Foreman came off the deck to win against Lyle, and returned after an eternity to come all the way back. Over a quarter century elapsed between George's winning of Olympic Gold in Mexico City, to his recapturing of the HW Title against Moorer. He lost the title against a 1960 Gold Medalist, and regained it when a 1988 Gold Medalist held an alternate version of the championship. This is mind numbing longevity, possibly surpassing that in all other sports for level of world class competitiveness.

[Denny Cruser]

I thicnk Lewis legacy is better. He beat to many good contenders and show only 1 weakness - chin. Foreman beat not many contenders and in his first boxing-life has 2 big flaws: he has not stamina and he was mentally vulnerable. So his losses to Ali and Young were produced by Foreman flaws not by any lucky occasions, as 2 losses of Lewis. Indeed Foreman never revenge his lossess cause he know - he cant do this. So I think Lewis is better both by accompishments and by head-to-head duels.

[Holmes' Jab]

Foremans record is just a bit better than 50/50 against ranked contenders whereas Lewis' is something like 18-2. While Foreman faced great fighters in Frazier and Ali, i think Lewis' depth makes up for it.

Spot on. In terms of resume Lewis wins this no probs. :good

[JohnThomas1]

I put Lewis around #7 on my all-time heavy top ten, and Foreman no lower than #3. Crushing Joe Frazier like a tin can to win your first title, then coming back in your forties to contend and eventually win another title in a completely different era? That counts for a LOT with me.

Foreman regained the title when he was forty-five. For comparison...

...Joe Louis turned that age in 1959
...Rocky Marciano turned that age in 1969
...Muhammad Ali turned that age in 1987
...Joe Frazier turned that age in 1989

Can anyone imagine Joe Frazier contending in the late nineteen-eighties? Or Marciano (had he lived) reigning at the dawn of the seventies?

Tho i rate Lewis ahead of George your bring up perfect points as to why Big George has to be rated highly irregardless of some shortcomings. Where one puts him in the 10 fluxuates via personal criteria, but he must be there.

[Denny Cruser]

Can anyone imagine Joe Frazier contending in the late nineteen-eighties? Or Marciano (had he lived) reigning at the dawn of the seventies?
Well, its depends on the styles. For examples small attacking boxers like Patterson, Frazier, Tyson lost their speed and health significantly faster than for example high boxers. Because small attackers very need to keep speed and their usually should to go through the punches cause the short arms matter. While Foreman at 70s had not many true battles where he took serious beating (only Lyle bout and maybe Ali bout), so I think if Foreman keep boxing after Young he NEVER could box even till 1985. IMO

[combatesdeboxeo]

foreman has better career and he would ko lewis, lennox was a great boxer, no doubt on it, but he didn´t have the chin to take foreman´s bombs, frank burno did hurt the best lewis, rahman and oliver knocked him out. jimmy young outboxed foreman but george was depressed when he faced young and lyle. jimmy young is seriously underrated and he was stolen against ali,shavers,norton. a prime mentally foreman 73-74 who did beat norton and frazier would ko lennox lewis for sure.

[Jorodz]

in a not h2h sense but resume wise, lewis wins this and it's by a lot

foreman:

frazier x 2
lyle
norton
moorer
qawi
cooney

loses:

holyfield
morrison
briggs
jimmy young
ali



lewis:

morrison
ruddock
mercer
vitali
rahman x 2
botha
mccall
tyson
bruno
briggs

loses:

mccall
rahman

foreman's top 2 beat lewis' top 2 but lennoxs resume is WAY deeper

[combatesdeboxeo]

in a not h2h sense but resume wise, lewis wins this and it's by a lot

foreman:

frazier x 2
lyle
norton
moorer
qawi
cooney

loses:

holyfield
morrison
briggs
jimmy young
ali



lewis:

morrison
ruddock
mercer
vitali
rahman x 2
botha
mccall
tyson
bruno
briggs

loses:

mccall
rahman

foreman's top 2 beat lewis' top 2 but lennoxs resume is WAY deeper
you forgot chuvalo,chuck wepner(briggs is not better than him) and peralta(checks his record when he faced george)

being honest foreman was old and still he was competent against prime holyfield,prime morrison,prime moorer and he was stolen against briggs. a prime foreman would ko morrison in 2 rounds, he would tko evander and he would rape briggs.

lennox faced a past prime holyfield,prime evander90-91 would beat lewis.and vitali klitschko was winning on the cards , but yes this lewis wasn´t exactly in his prime

[Jorodz]

being honest foreman was old and still he was competent against prime holyfield,prime morrison,prime moorer and he was stolen against briggs. a prime foreman would ko morrison in 2 rounds, he would tko evander and he would rape briggs.

can't disagree for the most part but that's h2h/fantasy match up. foreman's resume, for an all time great heavy, is kind of shitty

the loses to young and ali in his PRIME go against him and almost wins, as good as they are, are still loses. he needed the right fighter in front of him to win. if the performances against holyfield and morrison are being used, then so can the beating he took to a blown up light heavy in moorer. i love big george but his comeback was sooooo calculated

FOREMAN HOOOOOOOOK

[Threetime no1]

In ATG terms they both should be ranked closely, but i would have Lewis higher, because he had a better resume and i think head to head he would also have too much for George. Foreman had the better win in Frazier, but Lewis had more quality wins over a longer period.
Head to head i think a lot of people think that all George would have to do is land on Lennox and that would be it. I don't agree. No doubt George had the power to KO anyone, aswell has Lewis. But has already stated on here stylistically Lennox would be his worst nightmare, something George pointed out many times. Also Lewis's chin for me gets underated. Yes he was KOd twice, but those punches would have felled most and he was on his feet both times at the time of the stoppage. I think lack of focus were has much the cause of defeat has his lack of chin. He took a lot of good digs in his career too, and was hardly rocked. So a focused Lewis would have the fortitude to survive tough moments against George for me. I also think Lennox's actual physical strength is understimated, especially when compared against Foreman. This for me would be a telling factor in this head to head.
They are both two of the most dynamic heavies in history, and both rightfully deserve there place in anyones all time top ten list. But for me in terms resume, skill and the overall package, Lewis is the better man.

[combatesdeboxeo]

foreman would ko lewis. rahman and oliver could do it, and frank bruno did hurt him, foreman would ko lewis, lewis didn´t have the chin to take the foreman´s bombs but george had the chin to take the best shot from lewis. foreman by ko, no doubt. and george is above lewis in the history, of course

[Jorodz]

foreman would ko lewis. rahman and oliver could do it, and frank bruno did hurt him, foreman would ko lewis, lewis didn´t have the chin to take the foreman´s bombs but george had the chin to take the best shot from lewis. foreman by ko, no doubt. and george is above lewis in the history, of course

why? i don't take his place in history as a given by any means. lewis was a long time champ and pretty much cleared out the 90s division of heavies

foreman had 2 defenses in the 70s and lost...then lost to young and retired. his comeback was absolutely amazing but carefully constructed and his performance for 9.5 rounds against moorer and loses to morrison and holyfield do hurt him

an argument can be certainly made for lewis to be higher

[combatesdeboxeo]

why? I don't take his place in history as a given by any means. Lewis was a long time champ and pretty much cleared out the 90s division of heavies

foreman had 2 defenses in the 70s and lost...then lost to young and retired. His comeback was absolutely amazing but carefully constructed and his performance for 9.5 rounds against moorer and loses to morrison and holyfield do hurt him

an argument can be certainly made for lewis to be higher
1_ lewis would have lost in his second defense if he would have faced muhammad ali .prime foreman would have defended his belt during long time if he had fought against the bums who lewis faced(tyrell biggs, ,bruno,mccall,rahman,shannon briggs ( grandfather foreman did beat him really..)
2_when he fought lyle and young he was depressed.
3_he was old against prime morrison and prime holyfield. And still morrison ran during all the fight like a chicken, prime holyfield 90-91 would have beat lewis any day of the week.
4_old foreman was competent against prime holyfield and evander said " nobody did hit me like george did, not bowe,not tyson,not lewis,not bert cooper". Even tyson could not finish the fight against a past prime holyfield.
5_ george foreman was retired during 10 years and he was the champ again , ke knocked moorer out.
6_george foreman is the oldest hw champion in history.

George foreman is above lennox lewis absolutely

[Muchmoore]

Faulting Foreman (or Liston) for a short title reign is silly for one very obvious reason.

These guys have such different strengths/weaknesses in their resume its hard to compare. Lewis has the reputation of having the strongest resume out there outside of the big two but I don't necessarily agree.

[Foreman Hook]

Lewis - BUT it v.CLOSE.
Foreman has teh Greater wins - BUT Lennox have more v.Good wins.


ATG Heavys

1 - Lennox
2 - Foreman [Old And young]
3 - Ali

Foreman Hooooook! :hat

[combatesdeboxeo]

Lewis - BUT it v.CLOSE.
Foreman has teh Greater wins - BUT Lennox have more v.Good wins.


ATG Heavys

1 - Lennox
2 - Foreman [Old And young]
3 - Ali

Foreman Hooooook! :hat

i think that foreman is above lewis, he had better career and i think george would ko lewis, but ali???? are you drunk? ali is above foreman and lewis absolutely

[Foreman Hook]

i think that foreman is above lewis, he had better career and i think george would ko lewis, but ali???? are you drunk? ali is above foreman and lewis absolutely

I a bit Drunk yeah, i just been shagging my girlfriend for a hour while Drunken.

Ali CHEATED to beat Foreman - with v.loose ropes like bungee cords And poison drink what kill-stamina given to Foreman before teh fight by a African man working for Ali. :deal

Lennox is GOAT IMO - BUT i AGREE Foreman KO him after 6 roundz of Bounching Haymakers of each-others Iron-Cheens. Foreman KO him 1st, becuase he more Powerful And more Iron-Jawed,.


Foreman Hooooook! :hat

[ironchamp]

George Foreman lacks depth in his resume, but has some great signature wins.
Lennox Lewis doesn't have a strong defining victory; his best wins are inconclusive or come against mostly past prime fighters, but he has depth.

When it comes down to it I favor Lennox; I give more credence to more depth over signature wins. You can't control the era you are born in but; if you are born in an era which the best fighters are past their sell by date by the time you face them its not your fault. But you can the control the level of opposition you fight throughout your career.

Bottom line George Foreman has few great wins in a sea of crappy victories.

Lennox Lewis had a better reign but more importantly has a better resume.

[combatesdeboxeo]

George Foreman lacks depth in his resume, but has some great signature wins.
Lennox Lewis doesn't have a strong defining victory; his best wins are inconclusive or come against mostly past prime fighters, but he has depth.

When it comes down to it I favor Lennox; I give more credence to more depth over signature wins. You can't control the era you are born in but; if you are born in an era which the best fighters are past their sell by date by the time you face them its not your fault. But you can the control the level of opposition you fight throughout your career.

Bottom line George Foreman has few great wins in a sea of crappy victories.

Lennox Lewis had a better reign but more importantly has a better resume.

bottom line all the career of tyson was a sea of crappy victories

[Kalasinn]

bottom line all the career of tyson was a sea of crappy victories

Foreman Hoook! :hat

[ironchamp]

bottom line all the career of tyson was a sea of crappy victories

What does Mike Tyson have to do with anything?

We are talking about Lennox Lewis and George Foreman....

I think you have a problem...

[combatesdeboxeo]

What does Mike Tyson have to do with anything?

We are talking about Lennox Lewis and George Foreman....

I think you have a problem...

it is a free forum, i am talking about boxing... so you have the problem

[combatesdeboxeo]

Foreman Hoook! :hat
not i am not foreman hook, if you check several posts , i disagree with him several times, but he is my friend on this forum, he is a good guy.

[combatesdeboxeo]

simply i am joking i love to attack the tyson fans

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[Vanboxingfan]

resumes, I'm going with Lewis, that said it's very close and I'm probably in the minority who think that if there would have been an Ali-Foreman rematch, I think Foreman would have won, had the rematch been fought with proper ropes in place, and had Foreman paced himself. So I'm a huge fan of both fighters. H2H I think the difference would be Lewis punches straighter and if he arrived in aggressive mode, like he normally does against big strong fighters, he's take any version of Foreman out. And certainly Foreman wouldn't be able to manhandle him the way he did Frazier, if anything the extra 20lb Lewis has, would allow him to tie him up in the clinches. I often think Lewis' strength is very under-rated.

That said, Foreman would always have a punchers chance and would dangerous for as long as he's around.

It's a very close call.

[combatesdeboxeo]

resumes, I'm going with Lewis, that said it's very close and I'm probably in the minority who think that if there would have been an Ali-Foreman rematch, I think Foreman would have won, had the rematch been fought with proper ropes in place, and had Foreman paced himself. So I'm a huge fan of both fighters. H2H I think the difference would be Lewis punches straighter and if he arrived in aggressive mode, like he normally does against big strong fighters, he's take any version of Foreman out. And certainly Foreman wouldn't be able to manhandle him the way he did Frazier, if anything the extra 20lb Lewis has, would allow him to tie him up in the clinches. I often think Lewis' strength is very under-rated.

That said, Foreman would always have a punchers chance and would dangerous for as long as he's around.

It's a very close call.

you are wrong...

foreman weighed 231 pounds in 1976, he weighed 226-230 pounds in his amateur career, he diminished his weight when he did start his pro career because his trainer wanted work his speed and stamina, a prime lewis weighed 220-230 pounds just like foreman and lennox was taller, foreman was naturally stronger and more compact, lewis weighed 245pounds in his late 30s because his rivals were bigger, he adpted his weight. and he trained weights and he had modern advantages in nutrition and suplements. a young george didn´t train weights and he didn´t have modern advantages and he weighed 231 in 1976. a prime george in the era of lewis would have weighed 240 pounds of pure muscle easily. lewis was a great boxer but he did not have the chin to take the foreman blows,simply.
i agree with you in it , i think that foreman would have beat ali in a rematch, because george wasn´t idiot, ali might not do the same tactic again.

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And because you couldnt thats why i put the video up for you :D

[Threetime no1]

you are wrong...

foreman weighed 231 pounds in 1976, he weighed 226-230 pounds in his amateur career, he diminished his weight when he did start his pro career because his trainer wanted work his speed and stamina, a prime lewis weighed 220-230 pounds just like foreman and lennox was taller, foreman was naturally stronger and more compact, lewis weighed 245pounds in his late 30s because his rivals were bigger, he adpted his weight. and he trained weights and he had modern advantages in nutrition and suplements. a young george didn´t train weights and he didn´t have modern advantages and he weighed 231 in 1976. a prime george in the era of lewis would have weighed 240 pounds of pure muscle easily. lewis was a great boxer but he did not have the chin to take the foreman blows,simply.
i agree with you in it , i think that foreman would have beat ali in a rematch, because george wasn´t idiot, ali might not do the same tactic again.

It seems like you are trying to sway everything in Georges favour pal. For me Lewis' physical strength is underated when compared to Foreman, i just think Lennox is the physically stronger man. I'm not saying he hits harder than George, although he is not far behind, but he is definately stronger physically. Yeah Foreman is well capable of KOing Lewis, but i think Lennox's chin is better than giving credit for. If Lewis came into the ring motivated and feeling a bit of fear, which he no doubt would do against George, then i don't see Foreman beating him at all. Simple.
Lewis at his best had a full arsenal of punches and was a pure athlete at 6"5, i feel he would be too cute for Foremans winging punches, and has more in his locker to win the fight. Foreman fantastic puncher and a fearsome prospect to face, but head to head with Lewis i just see him has inferior. Just my opinion.
Let's not forget Foreman tasted canvas a few times too, and Lewis' finishing skills when he had his man hurt were usually conclusive.
No one would be clear favourite and Foreman would always be in the fight, but Lewis would be the victor.
One of the great h/weight fantasy fights.

[Vanboxingfan]

you are wrong...

foreman weighed 231 pounds in 1976, he weighed 226-230 pounds in his amateur career, he diminished his weight when he did start his pro career because his trainer wanted work his speed and stamina, a prime lewis weighed 220-230 pounds just like foreman and lennox was taller, foreman was naturally stronger and more compact, lewis weighed 245pounds in his late 30s because his rivals were bigger, he adpted his weight. and he trained weights and he had modern advantages in nutrition and suplements. a young george didn´t train weights and he didn´t have modern advantages and he weighed 231 in 1976. a prime george in the era of lewis would have weighed 240 pounds of pure muscle easily. lewis was a great boxer but he did not have the chin to take the foreman blows,simply.
i agree with you in it , i think that foreman would have beat ali in a rematch, because george wasn´t idiot, ali might not do the same tactic again.

I'm not wrong at all. A young Lewis was way faster than Foreman ever dreamed of being. And there's zero doubt who the bigger of the two fighters is. As for Lewis' chin, I would suggest you watch a few video's on youtube to give you some idea of how Lewis could indeed take a punch. It's a misconception that Lewis has a weak chin, while it's not rock granite and not in the league of Foreman's, Holyfield's, Ali's and a few others, it's no where near as bad as his detractors make is appear. Briggs was landing his beat on Lewis and he stood there and allowed it. He also allowed Vitali to basically hit him with his best shot and walked through him. And with McCall's punch, Lewis never saw it coming as he too was trying to throw a punch at the same time. This greatly reduces your resistance, because you're not braced for a punch to come and you can't roll with it either because you don't see it. This is why they always say the punch that gets you is the punch you don't see coming. Lewis would definately see Foreman's punches coming, of that I am fairly certain.

[combatesdeboxeo]

It seems like you are trying to sway everything in Georges favour pal. For me Lewis' physical strength is underated when compared to Foreman, i just think Lennox is the physically stronger man. I'm not saying he hits harder than George, although he is not far behind, but he is definately stronger physically. Yeah Foreman is well capable of KOing Lewis, but i think Lennox's chin is better than giving credit for. If Lewis came into the ring motivated and feeling a bit of fear, which he no doubt would do against George, then i don't see Foreman beating him at all. Simple.
Lewis at his best had a full arsenal of punches and was a pure athlete at 6"5, i feel he would be too cute for Foremans winging punches, and has more in his locker to win the fight. Foreman fantastic puncher and a fearsome prospect to face, but head to head with Lewis i just see him has inferior. Just my opinion.
Let's not forget Foreman tasted canvas a few times too, and Lewis' finishing skills when he had his man hurt were usually conclusive.
No one would be clear favourite and Foreman would always be in the fight, but Lewis would be the victor.
One of the great h/weight fantasy fights.

lennox lewis stronger than george foreman? lol:rofl:rofl naa friend, foreman was stronger,harder puncher and not for a bit.

[combatesdeboxeo]

no boxer in history is stronger than george foreman... the second in my opinion is charles sonny liston

[Jersey Joe]

This is really easy. George Foreman had the better legacy - without a doubt. His win over Joe Frazier on two occasions (and in the fashion too) is far superior to anything Lewis did - including his decision over Holyfield.

Lewis won 18 heavyweight title fights and at age 37 beat the guy who years later is still beating everyone he fights. Lewis also beat every opponent he faced. How many did Foreman win? How many unavenged losses did Foreman have? How long was Foreman's title reign? Did Foreman beat everyone he faced?

Longevity, dominance and consistency are more important than a couple of great wins followed by a couple of horrific losses. For the whole of the time Lennox Lewis was a fighter, there was not a single boxer who could say "I fought Lennox Lewis and - overall - came out on top". That's the definition of a champion, not Foreman's flash in the pan moments.

[Jersey Joe]

you are wrong...

foreman weighed 231 pounds in 1976, he weighed 226-230 pounds in his amateur career, he diminished his weight when he did start his pro career because his trainer wanted work his speed and stamina, a prime lewis weighed 220-230 pounds just like foreman and lennox was taller, foreman was naturally stronger and more compact, lewis weighed 245pounds in his late 30s because his rivals were bigger, he adpted his weight. and he trained weights and he had modern advantages in nutrition and suplements. a young george didn´t train weights and he didn´t have modern advantages and he weighed 231 in 1976. a prime george in the era of lewis would have weighed 240 pounds of pure muscle easily. lewis was a great boxer but he did not have the chin to take the foreman blows,simply.
i agree with you in it , i think that foreman would have beat ali in a rematch, because george wasn´t idiot, ali might not do the same tactic again.

It's a myth that Lennox has a bad chin. He has one legit knockout loss in an entire career, the other was a rather quick TKO stoppage when he was on his feet. Guys like Frazier, Tyson, Liston etc have stoppage losses yet no one questions their chins. Why the double standard?

[combatesdeboxeo]

Lewis won 18 heavyweight title fights and at age 37 beat the guy who years later is still beating everyone he fights. Lewis also beat every opponent he faced. How many did Foreman win? How many unavenged losses did Foreman have? How long was Foreman's title reign?

Longevity, dominance and consistency are more important than a couple of great wins followed by a couple of horrific losses.

prime foreman would have beat any rival of lewis, just tonny tucker and vitali might give problems to george, but vitali was easy to cut, i think that george would win by tko by cuts,men like bruno, tua,morrison,mercer,holyfield in his 30s,tyson would be victims for george. lennox would lose against ali and joe frazier, the pressure style of joe would be very bad for lewis. ron lyle and jimmy young would give lennox the hell. if bruno could hurt lewis, a very strong and motivated lyle might finish him.

[reznick]

Wait, is Lennox seriously winning this poll?

[combatesdeboxeo]

It's a myth that Lennox has a bad chin. He has one legit knockout loss in an entire career, the other was a rather quick TKO stoppage when he was on his feet. Guys like Frazier, Tyson, Liston etc have stoppage losses yet no one questions their chins. Why the double standard?
lewis was ko by 2 single shots by rahman(not a top puncher), and oliver(not top puncher) knocked him out too , frank bruno did hurt him seriously, joe frazier was down 100 times by george foreman and he got up, he did lose by tko, not ko. tyson took more shots than lewis took in his life, liston took many shots by cleveland williams, the second fight against ali was a lie completly, he was not ko. he was ko just when he was a old man. they had better chin than lewis.

[Jorodz]

prime foreman would have beat any rival of lewis, just tonny tucker and vitali might give problems to george, but vitali was easy to cut, i think that george would win by tko by cuts,men like bruno, tua,morrison,mercer,holyfield in his 30s,tyson would be victims for george. lennox would lose against ali and joe frazier, the pressure style of joe would be very bad for lewis. ron lyle and jimmy young would give lennox the hell. if bruno could hurt lewis, a very strong and motivated lyle might finish him.

this isn't about would have though, it's about did. it doesn't matter if foreman would have been every heavyweight ever, he didn't

based on what ACTUALLY occured foreman's resume is less than lewis'

[combatesdeboxeo]

this isn't about would have though, it's about did. it doesn't matter if foreman would have been every heavyweight ever, he didn't

based on what ACTUALLY occured foreman's resume is less than lewis'
not, the facts are foreman fought in a a better era, with better fighters, you can´t say that lewis had better legacy, simply because he fought in a weaker era. and george won the title in his 40s, he is the oldest hw champ ever. foreman has better career and in my opinion he would ko lewis

[Jorodz]

not, the facts are foreman fought in a a better era, with better fighters, you can´t say that lewis had better legacy, simply because he fought in a weaker era. and george won the title in his 40s, he is the oldest hw champ ever. foreman has better career and in my opinion he would ko lewis

h2h doesn't matter and while he did fight in a better era, he lost in a better era. he didn't dominate in a better era. he was humiliated by jimmy young...in a better era. then he retired

this thread keeps going to a H2H battle because i've yet to see one legitimate argument for foreman's RESUME being rated higher. i don't give a shit if he was fucking 80 when he beat moorer, his age is irrelevant to his resume

the balance of who he beat and lost to and HOW he did so is not as good as lewis'. foreman has two great fighters on his resume, a fat, unmotivated frazier and ken norton. foreman NEVER dominated the division. not for any substantial amount of time. in the 70s, ali and young beat him. in the 90s, morrison, holyfield and shultz beat him (if you are claming a briggs win, then the flip side is his shultz loss). he had some amazing accomplishments but it's a shallow resume

[Peter Brit]

Foreman was pretty green against Ali. He never bothered with a defence, his defence was hit you first. Great against a slow starting fraser. Ron Lyle highlighted Foreman's problems big time. Lennox Lewis boxes better and hits harder than Lyle and is 2 inches taller and 15-20 pounds heavier. He also has a massive reach advantage which he used often instead of trading as Lyle did.

A young foreman would get hit far to often and more importantly miss with his punches see the Young fight. I think it is a comfortable win for lewis. If you could give foreman the mental focus he had on his return he might have finished his boxing education. Losing it after Ali tells me he would not get back on the fair ride. Mentally Foreman failed when he had the tools.

If say he learnt from Ali and then lost to lewis. I think he had the ability in the 1970's to come back and beat them both or at least run them close.

[combatesdeboxeo]

foreman has two great fighters on his resume, a fat, unmotivated frazier and ken norton.
obviously you know absolutely shit about boxing, frazier was 29 years old , undefeated, and 214 pounds of pure muscle when he faced foreman.

[combatesdeboxeo]

HE WAS DEPRESSED WHEN HE FACED JIMMY YOUNG AND RON LYLE. LEWIS MIGHT NOT WIN THE BELT IN HIS 40s even in this weak era.

[janitor]

A strong case can be made either way to be honest.

Their resumes have such different strengths and weakneses, that it is not an easy comparison to make.