Does Floyd's ability as a trainer take a hit?

[Rebel-INS]

After last nights "performance" by Hatton, do you think that Mayweather's ability as a trainer will take some of the flak, or do you believe Hatton was simply too pig-headed to listen to anything Floyd said?

Personally I never really understood why Mayweather Sr had such a massive rep in the first place.

[Lewisbell]

No, Hatton cant follow instructions

[AceNguyen]

Mayweather Sr. showed him the film of the right hook, told him to move his head, told him to feint, told him to keep his hands up.

It was all there for Ricky, he can't expect Floyd to get in the ring with him and control him like a marionette.

[TFFP]

:patsch

People were expecting miracles. Hatton boxed one way for his whole career and Mayweather has him for a few weeks and you REALLY expect to see a worthwhile difference?

The fruits of Roach's labour have developed year on year with Pacquiao, very gradually.

Mayweather Sr is a fantastic trainer, his son is living proof.

[maka]

well beard got left to deal with the press after the show, so i think floyd sr has washed his hands with him already

[P4PNo.1]

The fight showed Hatton wont change. No matter who his trainer was he was going to lose.

[Anthony Farnell]

Mayweather himself admitted when he started with Ricky he wouldn't be able to change Hatton but just tweak things.
Hatton didn't even listen to those things though for this fight :lol:
It's pretty obvious they had problems behind the scenes.

Not making excuses as he would have lost anyway, only later imo.

[gooners!!]

Yes and no.

Mayweather cannot fight the fight for Hatton, so what ever game plan he comes up with its down to his fighter to execute that game plan. Ricky would not listen his instructions. That is not Mayweather's fault.

However he did try to change his style to radically, and that can be held against him.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

I don't and have never rated Floyd Mayweather Snr as a trainer. I don't blame him for Hatton losing to Pacman as Hatton would always have lost.

4 Mayweathers fought and 2 were champions Uncle Roger Mayweather "the Mexican Killer/Black Mamba" and PBF. I have always rated Uncle Roger Mayweather highly who also has Freddie Roach's number

[TFFP]

What has Roger done that is so great?

As far as I can see he's mainly reaping the rewards of what his brother has done for his nephew.

[El Cepillo]

Hatton is too stubborn to take on new things at this stage in his career. He probably thought he knew best, and didn't listen to a word Sr. had to say.

[Rebel-INS]

:patsch

People were expecting miracles. Hatton boxed one way for his whole career and Mayweather has him for a few weeks and you REALLY expect to see a worthwhile difference?

The fruits of Roach's labour have developed year on year with Pacquiao, very gradually.

Mayweather Sr is a fantastic trainer, his son is living proof.

I didn't say that he'd work miracles and I've never rated Hatton, but do you not think he will take some of the flak?

[GazOC]

You can't really blame Mayweather for Hatton not boxing to the gameplan. If Hatton had of boxed to plan and lost then maybe you could point at Mayweather a little but that just didn't happen last night.

[Rebel-INS]

You can't really blame Mayweather for Hatton not boxing to the gameplan. If Hatton had of boxed to plan and lost then maybe you could point at Mayweather a little but that just didn't happen last night.

Correct, especially when you listen to what Floyd was saying between rounds.

[achillesthegreat]

Floyd can improve you technically but not improve your technique. He'll tell you about range, timing, using the jab, combos and defence. He won't teach you how to do each move in a text book fashion.

Yet again, Hatton was caught lunging in with a left hand, only to be met with a devastating counter.

Hatton always did jump around leaving himself off balance and out of position. He never was one for pinning his hands to his cheeks.

I was hoping his flaws could be overcome by durability, strength and power. Unfortunately, Pac went one step further in showing what sort of physical specimen (or should I say monster) he is.

[AceNguyen]

Floyd turned his son into the most fundamentally sound boxer of his generation, you can't say that he doesn't know what to teach. He just never had enough time with Hatton and got with him too late in his career.

[TFFP]

I didn't say that he'd work miracles and I've never rated Hatton, but do you not think he will take some of the flak?
Probably, but not rightly.

His ability is certainly not hit. He's not become a worse trainer because Ricky Hatton is untrainable. His pride and reputation maybe, for some people, but if you take a look at the circumstances I'd say no.

[D_XZ]

I think Floyd is an adequate, not great, trainer but it's not fair to judge him on this one as Hatton abandoned everything he was taught.

Didn't some jounalists comment on how they'd seen Ricky work on several things when training for the Floyd junior fight that he just didn't do in the fight?

I doubt Hatton would be any different even if Roach took him under his wing.

[Rebel-INS]

Probably, but not rightly.

His ability is certainly not hit. He's not become a worse trainer because Ricky Hatton is untrainable. His pride and reputation maybe, for some people, but if you take a look at the circumstances I'd say no.

Pretty much what I was getting at :good

[Dagger]

A trainer should be judged not just by what goes on in the fight, but also in the entire traning camp and build up. A great trainer is not just a great tactician (which Floyd may or may not be), but is also someone who tries to build a good relationship with his fighter. By those criteria Floyd's reputation took a huge hit (and for good reason). He was late to training sessions, critical in interviews, and to top it off disgracefully washed his hands of ricky the moment the fight ended.
Even if his (disputed) tactical brilliance were on a par with Freddie Roach, his glaring weaknesses in other areas leave him light years behind Roach trainer-wise.

[JonOli]

“We studied tapes — it’s right in front of you, all you do is watch,” said Freddie Roach, Pacquiao’s trainer, whose prediction of a win for his man inside three rounds had been widely scoffed at. “Every time Hatton throws, he pulls back. A guy like Pacquiao can deliver a short hook inside.
“He never saw it coming. He was caught by the same punch over and over again because he couldn’t make the adjustment — he’s been doing it for 50 fights and nobody has taught him not to do it. It has taken Manny eight years with me to get to this point. What can Floyd [Mayweather Sr, Hatton's trainer] do in two fights?”

[9Ball]

When Hatton comfortably beat Maliggnagi it looked like Floyd had started to make a real difference to Hatton but as soon as he got in the ring (and maybe even well before then) with Manny he knew that he was out of his depth again as he was with Little Floyd, so he inexplicably went back to his bad old ways. If he'd have tried to box clever as he did with Maliggnagi he could have taken the fight to the later rounds when he would have stood a much better chance of making an impact.
In my opinion Hatton is the only one to blame for this crushing defeat.
Nothing to do with the trainer.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

What has Roger done that is so great?

As far as I can see he's mainly reaping the rewards of what his brother has done for his nephew.

He is a better trainer than Freddie Roach that is for sure and Roach knows it also. Big Floyd never made Little Floyd that is just the crap he tries to potray. Uncle Roger Mayweather has always had the ability to train fighters. Even when he was fighting you would see him helping out the likes of that great trainer Miguel Diaz when he was training my late friend Kid Akeem Anifowoshe and the like. He made Floyd the complete fighter that he is today.