The most mediocre fighter ever

[cross_trainer]

This is NOT a thread about the worst fighter. I'm looking for fighters who simply didn't stand out from the crowd. They had no glaring weaknesses, no major strengths. Their careers were neither particularly good nor particularly bad. They were not really interesting, and their fighting style wasn't markedly different or entertaining.

I'm looking for the Boxer in the Gray Flannel Suit. Who is he?

[McGrain]

This thread is boring.

[McGrain]

Howard Eastman's brother.

[cross_trainer]

This thread is boring.

It's in the same noble tradition as "greatest journeyman ever".

[McGrain]

It's in the same noble tradition as "greatest journeyman ever".

Do you think that a journeyman can do great things or not? Or do you belive that as soon as he does great things he ceases to be a journeyman?

Anyway, I think the answer is "Howard Eastman's brother", Gilbert.

[cross_trainer]

Do you think that a journeyman can do great things or not? Or do you belive that as soon as he does great things he ceases to be a journeyman?
The latter.


Anyway, I think the answer is "Howard Eastman's brother", Gilbert.
Possibly. Was he ranked in a mediocre place (say, top 30-50 or so)?

[Holmes' Jab]

Tony Tucker. :dead

[mr. magoo]

This is NOT a thread about the worst fighter. I'm looking for fighters who simply didn't stand out from the crowd. They had no glaring weaknesses, no major strengths. Their careers were neither particularly good nor particularly bad. They were not really interesting, and their fighting style wasn't markedly different or entertaining.

I'm looking for the Boxer in the Gray Flannel Suit. Who is he?

The type of fighter you're describing sounds an aweful lot like Michael Nunn. Although Nunn was a great fighter, he was often tedious or unimpressive to watch. If you don't believe me, watch his fight against Marlon Starling, 1991. If sleeping pills won't knock you out, then that fight sure as hell will.

[McGrain]

Possibly. Was he ranked in a mediocre place (say, top 30-50 or so)?

Probably. I don't think he had quite thirty fights though. I couldn't even say for sure if he's still active since Lockett battered him. Bottom line is he lost to the guys with winning records and beat the guys with losing records. Which is the kind of thing you're after?

He does have a contender brother though, which might DQ him...

[Danny Ocean]

william joppy

[Sizzle]

This is NOT a thread about the worst fighter. I'm looking for fighters who simply didn't stand out from the crowd. They had no glaring weaknesses, no major strengths. Their careers were neither particularly good nor particularly bad. They were not really interesting, and their fighting style wasn't markedly different or entertaining.

I'm looking for the Boxer in the Gray Flannel Suit. Who is he?

Ray Robinson is the first name that comes to mind

[Manassa]

Michael Sprott.

[Richel Hersisia]

Richel Hersisia

[redrooster]

John Thomas :lol:

[PowerPuncher]

WInky Wright

[bladerunner]

Saul Mamby.

[Addie]

This is NOT a thread about the worst fighter. I'm looking for fighters who simply didn't stand out from the crowd. They had no glaring weaknesses, no major strengths. Their careers were neither particularly good nor particularly bad. They were not really interesting, and their fighting style wasn't markedly different or entertaining.

I'm looking for the Boxer in the Gray Flannel Suit. Who is he?

I could be wrong because I've only seen the fighter fight once against Jermain Taylor, but Cory Spinks strikes me as a fighter who has so shining qualities about him. I've heard a lot of fight fans say the same thing.

Does Cory qualify?

[Lostmykeys]

I could be wrong because I've only seen the fighter fight once against Jermain Taylor, but Cory Spinks strikes me as a fighter who has so shining qualities about him. I've heard a lot of fight fans say the same thing.

Does Cory qualify?

Hell no.

[Addie]

Hell no.

What's special about Cory Spinks?

[young griffo]

Former Welterweight contender Wilfredo Rivera fits this bill perfectly.
He wasn't flashy,he was a steady uncomplicated toiler who was always in shape and came to fight.
But he didn't excel at anything and always fell short when he came up against the elite as losses to De La Hoya,Vargas,Moseley and Whitaker shows.

[Duodenum]

Saul Mamby.I think Saoul might have been a lttle too successful to qualify, at least at his best.

Heavyweights Bob Stallings, Leroy Caldwell, Ted Lowry and George Chaplin are some who might or might not fit the criteria requested here

Bruce Curry. Even when he won his WBC light welterweight title, he wasn't particularly impressive doing it.

Rafael Rodriguez, Randy Shields, Arturo Leon. No matter how good his opponent was, Leon almost always made him work until the time limit expired. The only title challenger of Arguello's to last the 15 round distance.

Allentown PA's Willie "Fireball" Rodriguez. Knocked SRL silly in Ray's second pro bout (the only one to do that until Duran in Montreal). While Fireball did hold the USBA and NABF light welterweight titles simultaneously, he really did represent a dividing line between genuine contenders and boxers who might be inadequate challengers for a world title shot themselves. Allentown can be very proud of Fireball's ten year career. A rugged consistent customer.

[Lostmykeys]

What's special about Cory Spinks?
It's not that there is anything special about him per se but we are looking for mediocraty and there is no way Spinks is that.

He beat Zab Judah.

He beat Mayorga.

He was able to be compettitive with MW champ Jermain Taylor and he was a world champion in multiple weight classes.

[Addie]

It's not that there is anything special about him per se but we are looking for mediocraty and there is no way Spinks is that.

He beat Zab Judah.

He beat Mayorga.

He was able to be compettitive with MW champ Jermain Taylor and he was a world champion in multiple weight classes.

Points taken. :good

[TIGEREDGE]

This is too hard to determine. junior witter really makes me sleep

A better thread would of been most mediocre title challeneger or champion

[hopkinsfan07]

Carlos Baldomir

WInky Wright
winky wright is not Mediocre idiot hes nearly an all time great

[heerko koois]

Johnny Bumphus.....

[heerko koois]

Richel Hersisia

:shock:

[Lostmykeys]

winky wright is not Mediocre idiot hes nearly an all time great

I consider Wright to be overrated and not close to ATG status.

[Vantage_West]

I could be wrong because I've only seen the fighter fight once against Jermain Taylor, but Cory Spinks strikes me as a fighter who has so shining qualities about him. I've heard a lot of fight fans say the same thing.

Does Cory qualify?:patsch mediocre not a 2 wieght titleist and undisputed welterwieght champ. a great tactician learns how to fight his opponant before the fight. has an excellent jab ,great footwork and amazing speed

nah im not buy ing at all

[Vantage_West]

I consider Wright to be overrated and not close to ATG status.like i care about you :D

sorry but he is a great fighter one of the most concistent junior middlewieghts and has fought anyone who pulse in his division

[Muchmoore]

I would say Baldomir but he has a great chin so that doesn't make him ordinary. Plus he was Welterweight Champion for a short time so that kind of disqualifies him. He was boring to watch and every fight showed the same things, had average power, average speed, average skills.

[Mike T]

Sven Ottke, I know he was undefeated but some were very questionable.

[john garfield]

Joey Archer's brother, Jimmy.

[Luigi1985]

Sven Ottke, I know he was undefeated but some were very questionable.


How can an unbeaten world champion, who defended his title multiple times be mediocre? I saw most of his fights, and he should have 4 or 5 L´s in his record, but although, he won some fights fair against decent opposition, so your comment is ridiculous...

[hopkinsfan07]

Ottke was beat twice by robin reid

[Luigi1985]

Ottke was beat twice by robin reid


I know... :D


Not only by him, like I wrote, Brewer beat him, Larsen, Mitchell, etc., but that doesn´t change the fact, that he was a world class fighter, who beat some decent opponents...

[Hitman]

WInky Wright


Agreed!

[The Whaler]

I think some people are failing to understand what this thread is about. It isn't about who bores you, or who is a mediocre champion, it is about who is a mediocre fighter. Someone who has nothing distinguishing about him.

This automatically eliminates Winky Wright and Cory Spinks from the list. Both were champions who have good victories.

[Robbi]

Sven Ottke

[CASH_718]

The type of fighter you're describing sounds an aweful lot like Michael Nunn. Although Nunn was a great fighter, he was often tedious or unimpressive to watch. If you don't believe me, watch his fight against Marlon Starling, 1991. If sleeping pills won't knock you out, then that fight sure as hell will.But Nunn stood out from the crowd. That's why he was P4P before Toney KO'd him.

[cross_trainer]

I think some people are failing to understand what this thread is about. It isn't about who bores you, or who is a mediocre champion, it is about who is a mediocre fighter. Someone who has nothing distinguishing about him.

This automatically eliminates Winky Wright and Cory Spinks from the list. Both were champions who have good victories.

:good

[The Whaler]

To put it in simpler terms: imagine a line with Eric Crumble ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) on one end and Sugar Ray Robinson on the other. Who falls smack dab in the middle?

:good
:happy

[JohnThomas1]

John Thomas :lol:

I'm not much chop but if you're ever passing thru town feel free to drop in and don the 10 ouncers fore the title of most mediocre ever

:D

[young griffo]

I'm not much chop but if you're ever passing thru town feel free to drop in and don the 10 ouncers fore the title of most mediocre ever

:D
Rooster would never do it John.
You're dictating the terms by asking for it in your home town and picking the size of the gloves.
You're just like your hero Leonard who only fought on his terms as well.:D

[JohnThomas1]

Rooster would never do it John.
You're dictating the terms by asking for it in your home town and picking the size of the gloves.
You're just like your hero Leonard who only fought on his terms as well.:D

:rofl

[redrooster]

Rooster would never do it John.
You're dictating the terms by asking for it in your home town and picking the size of the gloves.
You're just like your hero Leonard who only fought on his terms as well.:D

he's too old anyhow (have you seen what John looks like?) and those are fights I just don't take. i'm sure leonard would take it though.

[Nemesis]

seeing as John Garfield didnt mention it I will, Tommy Hurricane Jackson

[Titan1]

I think Saoul might have been a lttle too successful to qualify, at least at his best.

Heavyweights Bob Stallings, Leroy Caldwell, Ted Lowry and George Chaplin are some who might or might not fit the criteria requested here

Bruce Curry. Even when he won his WBC light welterweight title, he wasn't particularly impressive doing it.

Rafael Rodriguez, Randy Shields, Arturo Leon. No matter how good his opponent was, Leon almost always made him work until the time limit expired. The only title challenger of Arguello's to last the 15 round distance.

Allentown PA's Willie "Fireball" Rodriguez. Knocked SRL silly in Ray's second pro bout (the only one to do that until Duran in Montreal). While Fireball did hold the USBA and NABF light welterweight titles simultaneously, he really did represent a dividing line between genuine contenders and boxers who might be inadequate challengers for a world title shot themselves. Allentown can be very proud of Fireball's ten year career. A rugged consistent customer.

Chaplin is up there, but maybe not the most. James Broad is too.

[john garfield]

seeing as John Garfield didnt mention it I will, Tommy Hurricane Jackson


I don't think mediocre quite captures Jackson, N. He defies description.

[Sweet Science]

I'd say John Ruiz but I'm not sure if he qualifies, so I'm going with
Peter "I rocked Tyson" McNeeley. The man even has his own website, 'Hurricane Watch':
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[He Hate Me]

john ruiz.

[ChrisPontius]

Axel Schulz. He did rise above mediocrity when he handed an aging Foreman his ass, but the judges saw it otherwise and resume-wise he couldn't get past mediocrity. He was a solid boxer with an excellent chin.