Carlos Quintana

[IntentionalButt]

Can you believe it's only been nine months since Cotto blew him out? Feels like longer since Cotto's kept so active, with two fights since then and another scheduled for the fall. Still, you would imagine if Carlos is still going to compete we'd be hearing something pretty soon.

What are some matchups that could/should materialize in 08?

[Relentless]

quintana vs berto?

[Danny Ocean]

quintana vs collazo

[Danny Ocean]

I'd love to see that.

yeah makes perfect sense id go for quintana ud

[Amsterdam]

Quintana could beat Clottey, but just about every top Welter could also.

[IntentionalButt]

Quintana could beat Clottey, but just about every top Welter could also.

Margarito couldn't. :deal

[IntentionalButt]

Quintana UD Berto.

A Collazo fight would be a pick'em for me; Luis is pretty damn slick but when you think about it he's really never paired up in a big fight with another great pure boxer. :think

[DanePugilist]

Margarito couldn't. :dealWhy are you stating it as fact, when it isn't. Many boxers have been in trouble in early rounds only to turn it 180 degrees.

[PR Boxing Lore]

Here on the Island, there have been talks of Quintana vs Williams.

[IntentionalButt]

Why are you stating it as fact, when it isn't. Many boxers have been in trouble in early rounds only to turn it 180 degrees.

Well, I'm in the .00000001% minority, but I've posted and defended my scorecard here numerous times. I had Clottey winning a close decision.

[Amsterdam]

Margarito couldn't. :deal

Margarito is piss shit.

[Amsterdam]

I dunno about that. Clottey isn't the walk-in-the-park you make him out to be.

Yes, he is.

[Amsterdam]

Okay, name all the fighters you think can beat him then if he sucks so bad.

Quintana
Berto
Margarito
Cintron
Collazo
Judah
Cotto
Mosely
Estrada
Alvarez
Hlatschwayo
P Williams

There's WW. I didn't even bother mentioning Floyd.

Should I name JWW's and LMW's also?:yep

And he doesn't 'suck'. He's just a mess and became overrated to hell after the Margarito fight, because everyone assumed that Margarito was a true top class fighter. He can't deal well with movers, can't deal with effective pressure and gasses after 4-5 rounds, on top of it, he's feather fisted at WW.

He's going nowhere.

[C Money]

Here on the Island, there have been talks of Quintana vs Williams.

If that happens, you certainly cant accuse Quintana of searching for soft touches after Cotto and then Williams.

Carlos broke my heart in the Cotto loss. Although the loss isnt anything to be ashamed of, I truly believed CQ was gonna win that fight. From a stylistic standpoint? I'd absolutely love to see PBF vs Quintana!!!!!! I'd give Carlos another shot at breaking my heart:good :yep
Of course, Floyd wouldnt take him on UNLESS he beats a guy like Williams and start's getting the public's attention.

Berto or Williams would be steps in that direction.

[C Money]

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl


You seriously underrate Clottey, Amsterdam. He'd KILL a lot of those guys. The only ones I'd bet against him are P. Williams, Mosley and Cotto.

He is not featherfisted. He hasn't scored a KO in years due to serious hand issues. And, he's probably the physically strongest WW out there.

I'm not entirely sure about

Estrada
Alvarez
Hlatschwayo


But other thn those? Amsterdam's right!! Clottey is very over rated. He's does have decent power, but a well schooled and skilled fighter is gonna give him fits every time!!!

[Wilhelm]

Quintana
Berto
Margarito
Cintron
Collazo
Judah
Cotto
Mosely
Estrada
Alvarez
Hlatschwayo
P Williams

There's WW. I didn't even bother mentioning Floyd.

Should I name JWW's and LMW's also?:yep

And he doesn't 'suck'. He's just a mess and became overrated to hell after the Margarito fight, because everyone assumed that Margarito was a true top class fighter. He can't deal well with movers, can't deal with effective pressure and gasses after 4-5 rounds, on top of it, he's feather fisted at WW.

He's going nowhere.

Wow Amsterdam, you and I agree about 95% of the time (whether you know it or not) but I have to disagree with you here. Clottey has shown himself to be a very nice couterpuncher and infighter who throws nice short accurate punches and has pretty good defense. Is it that you think he's just being overrated or do you really think he's not that good? I'd take him to beat a lot if not most of those guys you listed. What is it specifically about him that you think he'd lose to all those guys?

[Amsterdam]

I'd be glad to list my reasoning. But before I do lets remember how he struggled against C level Richard Guttierez and could not put away Corrales, who was never known for his punch resistance at 130 and 135, much less jumping two weight classes. Then let's also remember his last fight and how he fights in spurts and gasses. His last opponent was KOed in 1 by Corley, Clottey couldn't even put a dent in him and landed many flush good shots early, he is feather fisted at WW and I have plenty of examples to prove it.

Anyway -



Quintana - Movement disrupts Clottey, Quintana is a well rounded enough boxer to move around Clottey and close it big down the stretch for a wide UD.

Berto - This one I am unsure of, because of Berto's chin, but Clottey has failed to put away about 4 totally glass jawed journeyman level opponents, so I'd expect Berto to win a wide decision.

Margarito - No comment, it already happened.

Cintron - Even has the right style. Straight rights down the pipe and when Clottey fades, he will get KOed in highlight reel style.

Collazo - Tricky southpaw, good fundamentals, good stamina, will out counterpunch Clottey and maybe stop him late. Collazo also has a good chin and has heart.

Judah - The speed and power ought to do it, as well as the movement*. Clottey doesn't last around like Baldomir and other pressure fighters, he fades badly and fights in spurts, that's not enough to beat Judah. You need constant pressure to beat Judah.

Cotto - Cotto by early stoppage, body work is something Clottey is vulnerable against.

Mosely - No comment.

Estrada - He'll outwork Clottey down the stretch, this kid's underrated, he's also going to KO Berto.

Alvarez - Alvarez is a good mover, coming along well, totally outclassed Cruz, who did have experience. Going by Clottey's statistics in fights, Alvarez should be able to box to a decision.

Hlatschwayo - Underrated boxer, would outbox him to a decision and Clottey lacks the power to change the course of the fight.

P Williams - Williams 120-108.:yep

[IntentionalButt]

Margarito - No comment, it already happened.


disagree.