Rate your top trainers in Australia?

[westside]

I'll divide this to two categories.

1. International top level trainers. Guys that train fighters to fight for world titles around the world.

2 Domestic second tier trainers. Guys that train our local guys that fight on the Fenech/Hyder/Myer etc cards.



Discuss....

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Like footy, and all other sports for that matter, the real measure of a great coach/trainer is squeezing 100% of the potential out of the cattle.

It's something that's very hard to gage unless you've trained with the trainer yourself or been in the inner circle at their gym. For that reason results are the only obvious measuring stick, and it's hard to go past Johnny Lewis in that regard.

[Watto]

Johnny Lewis...........

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Johnny Lewis...........

Is that Johnny Lewis!!! or Johnny Lewis???? Watto.

[westside]

Like footy, and all other sports for that matter, the real measure of a great coach/trainer is squeezing 100% of the potential out of the cattle.

It's something that's very hard to gage unless you've trained with the trainer yourself or been in the inner circle at their gym. For that reason results are the only obvious measuring stick, and it's hard to go past Johnny Lewis in that regard.

Yeah.. the question isnt for the pub 'i watch every mundine fight & pretend to care about boxing' punter... its more for those in the know..

[westside]

JL is the obvious pick for the first category...

[Rodin]

How would the average bloke know a good trainer?

We say Johnny Lewis or Keith Ellis or whoever, but gone are the days when fighters went their whole careers with the same trainer.

For example, do we say Skinny Hussein wasn't good enough, or it was Billy's fault?
We'll never know because down here, there is only some much talent & getting quality sparring is expensive.
Then we have the issue of the alphabet soup.
Most of the top quality have a career of their own chasing multiple options for a belt.

To me, if a kid is technically sound, has a good chin, Keeps his hands up & knows the value of a good jab, the trainer has done his bit.
The rest is in the lap of the Gods.

JMO

[westside]

ok maybe go for the second option then?... guys that some of us know & can give opinions on.

[Watto]

Is that Johnny Lewis!!! or Johnny Lewis???? Watto.

You know xactly who i mean...

[perfect jet]

Jeff Bohol. :yep

[Kegsy]

Jeff Bohol. :yep
:good:deal

[sallywinder]

Johnny Lewis...........


great fitness trainer.......not a strategist, not even nearly.

best strategist in the country, noel thornberry, EASY....

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

You know xactly who i mean...

It wasn't a question of who. It was whether you were endorsing the choice of Johnny Lewis or critisising it. And the answer is....

[Rodin]

ok maybe go for the second option then?... guys that some of us know & can give opinions on.

I'll throw a couple names in that are modern & local to my town (The 'Gong)

Bill Corbett. E.G. Shannan Taylor is a solid technical fighter because Bill was a stickler for killing bad habits. You will never see Taylor dancing around with his hands by his sides.

Vito Gaudiosi. An animal with fitness. (He's probably the fittest bloke in his gym). He's thorough in development, & excellent in the corner.

I'm not saying they are the best, but from my observations, they miss nothing.

JMO

[Phil Austin]

I'm with Sally - Noel Thornberry

[Watto]

It wasn't a question of who. It was whether you were endorsing the choice of Johnny Lewis or critisising it. And the answer is....

Im def a fan of Johnny Lewis he is no doubt australias best trainer..Domestic i would have to say Keith Ellis,not at the present but he has done alot in boxing and i hope he can get back to his past feats..Theres alot of good trainers,standout for me has to be Lewis...
Fenech was looking good till everyone left him..

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Im def a fan of Johnny Lewis he is no doubt australias best trainer..Domestic i would have to say Keith Ellis,not at the present but he has done alot in boxing and i hope he can get back to his past feats..Theres alot of good trainers,standout for me has to be Lewis...
Fenech was looking good till everyone left him..

Yeah, hard to say what went wrong with Fenech the trainer. From the outside it looks like he might've lost interest and just gradually walked away. Trouble is it appears as though he did it whilst still training Danny Green, amongst others - Danny certainly voices his disappointment in the doco he made. Someone closer might be able to shed a bit more light on all that??

[DMSBOX]

International level Based on stats ; Johnny Lewis - Dave Hedgecock .. Johnny's runs are on the board with the amount of world champions he's produced. Dave is a master strategist who steered his boxer Sam Soliman to victory abroad more times than any other Aussie boxer in the last decade. Craig Christian has had success with Chris Johns abroad also & done some great work with Kickett - Rabah & Daniel Dawson.

Active Aussie trainers - in no set order Billy Hussein - Noel Thornberry - Dino Billinghurst (trainer of Glen Kelly & Jason Delisle) - Angelo Hyder - Roy Alexander (Lovemore Ndou's first 3 or 4 USA fights & most of his local fights) - Ray Giles - Keith Ellis - Tommy Mercuri (Lenny Zappa)

While he doesnt live in Australia ****** Fortune has experienced as much as any Aussie trainer - Vazquez to two world titles - James Toney - Manny Pac and plenty of other big name boxers.

Stu Duncan

[sallywinder]

I'm with Sally - Noel Thornberry

there you go fellas......and who may i ask, is in a better position to listen to th various corners of australian boxing? NO ONE!!

not only does this bloke have more of an idea than any of you featherbrains, phil has a better idea than probably anyone in australia...period!

it goes to show how many blokes on this forum get their 'expert opinion' from uninformed-media-slut-journos, who suck the cocks of over-rated-has-been-fitness-trainers.......

johnny lewis....faaaarrrrrkkkkkk!!!!! next youse will be saying fenech is a great trainer...or at least some fuck wit tv or print journo will.....


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[LeonMcS]

Golly...someone agrees with you so they're the biggest genius on the planet (and no offence to my good mate Phil).

[westside]

there you go fellas......and who may i ask, is in a better position to listen to th various corners of australian boxing? NO ONE!!

not only does this bloke have more of an idea than any of you featherbrains, phil has a better idea than probably anyone in australia...period!

it goes to show how many blokes on this forum get their 'expert opinion' from uninformed-media-slut-journos, who suck the cocks of over-rated-has-been-fitness-trainers.......

johnny lewis....faaaarrrrrkkkkkk!!!!! next youse will be saying fenech is a great trainer...or at least some fuck wit tv or print journo will.....


.

get over yourself. think your own shit dont stink.

[rusty nails]

Like footy, and all other sports for that matter, the real measure of a great coach/trainer is squeezing 100% of the potential out of the cattle.

It's something that's very hard to gage unless you've trained with the trainer yourself or been in the inner circle at their gym. For that reason results are the only obvious measuring stick, and it's hard to go past Johnny Lewis in that regard.


i think lewis has been blessed with some of the talent hes had to work with. ive never seen anyone really IMPROVE under him.. i think he gets a bit overrated as a trainer. BUT hes a very good career guide. possibly our best.

[sallywinder]

Golly...someone agrees with you so they're the biggest genius on the planet (and no offence to my good mate Phil).

leon, nobody has to agree with me for me to be right. its just that in this case, the bloke with the greatest insight agrees......which PROVES IT!!!

westside; get over yourself. think your own shit dont stink.

:yep:-( too easy....

[ashley]

there you go fellas......and who may i ask, is in a better position to listen to th various corners of australian boxing? NO ONE!!

not only does this bloke have more of an idea than any of you featherbrains, phil has a better idea than probably anyone in australia...period!

it goes to show how many blokes on this forum get their 'expert opinion' from uninformed-media-slut-journos, who suck the cocks of over-rated-has-been-fitness-trainers.......

johnny lewis....faaaarrrrrkkkkkk!!!!! next youse will be saying fenech is a great trainer...or at least some fuck wit tv or print journo will.....


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Phil is looking at the ring card girls in-between rounds mate.....he wont hear anything :yep

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

i think lewis has been blessed with some of the talent hes had to work with. ive never seen anyone really IMPROVE under him.. i think he gets a bit overrated as a trainer. BUT hes a very good career guide. possibly our best.

Agreed he's had wonderful talent to work with, but to suggest he didn't improve them's very harsh. Do you think that handful of world champs he had were ready, straight off (as kids), to win world titles?? Agreed maybe some were destined to - Fenech for example. But hey, they needed guidance and a bit of finishing off.

[sallywinder]

Agreed he's had wonderful talent to work with, but to suggest he didn't improve them's very harsh. Do you think that handful of world champs he had were ready, straight off (as kids), to win world titles?? Agreed maybe some were destined to - Fenech for example. But hey, they needed guidance and a bit of finishing off.


yeah...like joe bugner....

[Phil Austin]

Golly...someone agrees with you so they're the biggest genius on the planet (and no offence to my good mate Phil).

Hold on Leon, let's just stick with biggest genius on the planet OK? :good:hey

[LeonMcS]

Tell your missus that and see what she says!

[Phil Austin]

Phil is looking at the ring card girls in-between rounds mate.....he wont hear anything :yep

Mate, allow me to let you in on a little secret. In between rounds I am doing a very important part of top performance in the ring. That is to cast an eye over everything happening in there; if my gaze should occasionally fall upon the girly in her skimpies it is no more than an accident :thumbsup

[Texan Joe]

Steve Deller from Brisbane & Les Wilson from the Goldie have both had a fair bit of success.

[westside]

What do you think of the former fighters training? theres a lot opening gyms & training their sons etc. I know Gavin Topp's just started on the Coast.
On the Gold Coast also, Tony Nobbs would have to be in the mix.

[nomas]

George reno one of the best boxing brains and knows how to read a fight,trained the kelly brothers, john marceta,and many others and works mundines corner as well was voted trainer of the year twice in the late ninetys ,good bloke and knows his stuff..

[Phil Austin]

Tell your missus that and see what she says!

Umm rather not.... although I have two offers to present on two different properties tonight - get them both away and she might just be on my side for once! :happy

[JOE COOL]

best trainer was tom cloerty from gold coast he train Scott Parker years ago .

[flamengo]

Mate, allow me to let you in on a little secret. In between rounds I am doing a very important part of top performance in the ring. That is to cast an eye over everything happening in there; if my gaze should occasionally fall upon the girly in her skimpies it is no more than an accident :thumbsup

Im with Phil.... Chicks in 'skimpies' are the best.

[westside]

Im with Phil.... Chicks in 'skimpies' are the best.

having dealt with them for years & years most of them are as dumb & dull as dogshit. some are a bit crazy though

[flamengo]

having dealt with them for years & years most of them are as dumb & dull as dogshit. some are a bit crazy though

I wont argue with that. I had a time 'driving' strippers for a few extra summer dollars. Looks good on the brochure....

[flamengo]

International level Based on stats ; Johnny Lewis - Dave Hedgecock .. Johnny's runs are on the board with the amount of world champions he's produced. Dave is a master strategist who steered his boxer Sam Soliman to victory abroad more times than any other Aussie boxer in the last decade. Craig Christian has had success with Chris Johns abroad also & done some great work with Kickett - Rabah & Daniel Dawson.

Active Aussie trainers - in no set order Billy Hussein - Noel Thornberry - Dino Billinghurst (trainer of Glen Kelly & Jason Delisle) - Angelo Hyder - Roy Alexander (Lovemore Ndou's first 3 or 4 USA fights & most of his local fights) - Ray Giles - Keith Ellis - Tommy Mercuri (Lenny Zappa)

While he doesnt live in Australia ****** Fortune has experienced as much as any Aussie trainer - Vazquez to two world titles - James Toney - Manny Pac and plenty of other big name boxers.

Stu Duncan


Thankfully Sammy is always a fit bloke.

Getting a phone call at a local BBQ on a Saturday, flying to the USA on a Sunday, belting his opponent for a clear win/ko on a Tuesday is a great attribute.

[Phil Austin]

Westside, just a little inside info - it's not their intellect nor conversation that interests me! ;)

[flamengo]

Westside, just a little inside info - it's not their intellect nor conversation that interests me! ;)

That would be on par with watching a porno for the story line!!

[westside]

Westside, just a little inside info - it's not their intellect nor conversation that interests me! ;)

Yes Phil, but spare a thought for us who, come fight night, have to deal with them both in intellect or conversation!

Its like reasoning with a 2 year old.

[Phil Austin]

Flame's spot on - not that I have ever watched porn :p ;)

You get to stare at their tits all night WS - you'll get no sympathy from me!

[Peterp]

Who is the best training in Perth aside from Craig Christian ?

[westside]

Flame's spot on - not that I have ever watched porn :p ;)

You get to stare at their tits all night WS - you'll get no sympathy from me!

nope not really.. you are closer than me normally, trust me.

[Phil Austin]

Oh that was ME staring at their tits then, sorry my mistake! :p

[westside]

Phil!!!

[Phil Austin]

Phil!!!

What? :huh

[Bo Morris]

I'll throw a couple names in that are modern & local to my town (The 'Gong)

Bill Corbett. E.G. Shannan Taylor is a solid technical fighter because Bill was a stickler for killing bad habits. You will never see Taylor dancing around with his hands by his sides.

Vito Gaudiosi. An animal with fitness. (He's probably the fittest bloke in his gym). He's thorough in development, & excellent in the corner.

I'm not saying they are the best, but from my observations, they miss nothing.

JMO
Interesting while in wollongong about a month ago I called into one of the local gyms to train .I notice a guy training a very large and I mean large guy maybe 160kg + I thought it would be fun to watch .This poor guy is going to struggle! Well The guy did 6 rounds on the punch mitts with head movement and a high work rate.Wiped the smile off my face. I wish I had half the skills. When I asked they said the trainer was Bill Corbett. When I inquired they said he also helps some of the other trainers with there skills but doesn't train any boxers. Anyone Know the story on this.

[westside]

Somebody being big doesnt mean theyre not fit. 12 months of training will get them ring fitness speed & skills.. but wont drop them down to 75 kilos from 160.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Somebody being big doesnt mean theyre not fit. 12 months of training will get them ring fitness speed & skills.. but wont drop them down to 75 kilos from 160.

Not disagreeing WS - but 12 months serious training will take serious lumps off a 160 kg guy. Won't be 75kg but won't be anything like 160 anymore either.

[Bo Morris]

Maybe someone from Wollongong can give us the full story ! What was his starting weight ,he seem to have too many skills to just be starting out. How much weight has he lost. an update every month. I am just interested and kicking myself foe being a mean Pr+++ when I first saw him

[westside]

Not disagreeing WS - but 12 months serious training will take serious lumps off a 160 kg guy. Won't be 75kg but won't be anything like 160 anymore either.

yeah.. but you get the drift. theres this dude at my gym. dunno how long hes been training for ... but ill tell you he looks like cartman seriously. but he is quick & fit as buggery boxingwise.

[ipswich express]

best trainer was tom cloerty from gold coast he train Scott Parker years ago .


This doozy almost slipped everyone by. :D

[ipswich express]

Who could forget a nickname as imposing as "The Fluffy Bear"... :)

[Bo Morris]

Who could forget a nickname as imposing as "The Fluffy Bear"... :)Is there any other boxing site people go for local info? There doesn't seem to be much going on in here.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Is there any other boxing site people go for local info? There doesn't seem to be much going on in here.

Here's the address to another one (see below) - not as good as this one (just in case the mods are watching!)

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

[sallywinder]

didnt know that....