calderon not in the ring's new top 10 p4p

[Illmatic]

1. Mayweather
2. Pac
3. JMM
4. Hopkins
5. Vazquez
6. Wright
7. Marquez
8. Calzaghe
9. Hatton
10. Cotto


a couple things:

1. When was the last time Wright won a fight? Soliman?

2. Should Cotto be in there despite never winning a championship? (championship, not titles)

[jecxbox]

wright should not be on the p4p list...I guess beating a smaller Mosley and the ghost of Felix Trinidad will keep a fighter in the lb 4 lb rankings for all of eternity.:patsch

[BlueApollo]

wright should not be on the p4p list...I guess beating a smaller Mosley and the ghost of Felix Trinidad will keep a fighter in the lb 4 lb rankings for all of eternity.:patsch

JMM at #3 over Hopkins is a joke. Cotto at #10 doesn't seem all that wrong to me. He should lose that spot though if either Pavlik or Taylor looks particularly impressive this fall, or if he loses to Shane.

[Spitfire7]

JMM at #3 over Hopkins is a joke. Cotto at #10 doesn't seem all that wrong to me. He should lose that spot though if either Pavlik or Taylor looks particularly impressive this fall, or if he loses to Shane.

:good Jmm at 3 is way too much, given that his last wins were hardly dominating. He was beaten by John (robbery or not, record books will say its an L) even knocked down by MAB in a close fight, and (lo and behold) Philippino journeyman Jaca. He's top 10 material alright, but at most he should be 6-8. Ivan should be with the top 12 at the least with this win against Hugo.

[jecxbox]

definitely

[BlueApollo]

:good Jmm at 3 is way too much, given that his last wins were hardly dominating. He was beaten by John (robbery or not, record books will say its an L) even knocked down by MAB in a close fight, and (lo and behold) Philippino journeyman Jaca. He's top 10 material alright, but at most he should be 6-8. Ivan should be with the top 12 at the least with this win against Hugo.

God, I'd forgotten that Jaca dropped him. What round was it?

[kg0208]

Calderon should be top 10 over Cotto IMO. Achieved more.

[Guru_Too_You]

He was never dropped by Jaca. JMM being over Hopkins is okay in my book as long as it deals with boxing.

If it were the top ten P4P for holding, headbutting, using your elbows, and boring the fans to sleep with your style of fighting than ol' Hopkins is definitely in the top three. Although he is ranked number one P4P for the boxer with the most gaps between his teeth. :yep

See whats funny is that nobody could figure out how to beat Winky, but Bernard did. Now you can criticize the way that he did it, but the fact remains that he beat Winky in a competitive but clear decision. Everyone with a brain knew that this wasnt going to be an exciting affair going into the bout, so to criticize it now is meaningless.

[kg0208]

See whats funny is that nobody could figure out how to beat Winky, but Bernard did. Now you can criticize the way that he did it, but the fact remains that he beat Winky in a competitive but clear decision. Everyone with a brain knew that this wasnt going to be an exciting affair going into the bout, so to criticize it now is meaningless.

Well, I stuck to my guns on this. I critcized the fight BEFORE it happened. Wright jumped 2 weight classes for this. Hopkins should have fought a LHW champion IMO .

[Guru_Too_You]

Well, I stuck to my guns on this. I critcized the fight BEFORE it happened. Wright jumped 2 weight classes for this. Hopkins should have fought a LHW champion IMO .

It was a bout that should have happened years ago, but Winky never had the balls to step up to the plate. I also felt it was not the best bout to be made, both from a historical and fan's standpoint, but it is what it is.

Personally, I would love to see Bernard fight Dawson. Truly the old versus the new. I think that Bernard was hurting himself staying at middleweight near the end of his run but he had the record books in his mind. He looked to be in tremendous shape in his last few bouts, and I actually think that he can endure a much higher workrate if it was necessary at 175 than he could at 160. That and Dawson isnt the biggest hitter, so this one could get interesting.

[kg0208]

It was a bout that should have happened years ago, but Winky never had the balls to step up to the plate. I also felt it was not the best bout to be made, both from a historical and fan's standpoint, but it is what it is.

Personally, I would love to see Bernard fight Dawson. Truly the old versus the new. I think that Bernard was hurting himself staying at middleweight near the end of his run but he had the record books in his mind. He looked to be in tremendous shape in his last few bouts, and I actually think that he can endure a much higher workrate if it was necessary at 175 than he could at 160. That and Dawson isnt the biggest hitter, so this one could get interesting.

I think Dawson is too quick for him and well enough schooled to not get into the games that Hops likes to play. But you never know....

[Guru_Too_You]

I think Dawson is too quick for him and well enough schooled to not get into the games that Hops likes to play. But you never know....

Thats what I'm saying. Hopkins has an uncanny ability to make you fight his fight, and I'm not sure that Dawson could avoid it.

That and I think that Hopkins might put him to sleep with his right hand.

I have a weird feeling about Hopkins-Dawson.

[Relentless]

wright should not be on the p4p list...I guess beating a smaller Mosley and the ghost of Felix Trinidad will keep a fighter in the lb 4 lb rankings for all of eternity.:patsch

agrred, he has done shit since and he is still top ten p4p.

[Guru_Too_You]

What are you talking about? Taylor beat him. Yes, a lot of people argue that Wright should have gotten the nod, but the fact is he didn't. I actually thought it was a very competitive fight, considering both aren't considered to be straight-ahead, aggressive fighters. For Wright to pull a DLH and not fight the 12th hurt him terribly. A novice mistake committed by a veteran fighter who should have known to, "try to never leave it in the judges hands."

Both Taylor bouts were extremely close and controversial. Just as much if not moreso than Hopkins-Wright.

And if you read my post carefully you would notice that I said Hopkins was HURTING himself by staying at 160, which would deal DIRECTLY with the Taylor bouts.

[PowerPuncher]

1. Mayweather
2. Pac
3. JMM
4. Hopkins
5. Vazquez
6. Wright
7. Marquez
8. Calzaghe
9. Hatton
10. Cotto


a couple things:

1. When was the last time Wright won a fight? Soliman?

2. Should Cotto be in there despite never winning a championship? (championship, not titles)

Taylors crap but he should be above Wright and Hopkins

Calazage should be higher.

Mosley should be on the list, so should Delahoya for getting an SD against Mayweather and giving him a close run for his money.

Chris John must be making a case to be top 15 right now

Dawson hasn't earnt it yet but he probably should be up there soon. He'd beat BHOPs NOW!!!

Marquez and Vasquez are good but top10 P4P? I don't think their good enough and if Pac, Barrera, Hamed, Morales (from 12-7years ago) were at those weights they'd be getting beat handily. 21yo Linares would beat both of them right now.

1. Quartey - good win
2. NO NO NO, Cotto should be below

[Sweet Pea Pacquiao]

1. Mayweather
2. Pac
3. JMM
4. Hopkins
5. Vazquez
6. Wright
7. Marquez
8. Calzaghe
9. Hatton
10. Cotto


a couple things:

1. When was the last time Wright won a fight? Soliman?

2. Should Cotto be in there despite never winning a championship? (championship, not titles)

JMM has never won a real championship either, only belts.

[Sweet Pea Pacquiao]

He was never dropped by Jaca. JMM being over Hopkins is okay in my book as long as it deals with boxing.

If it were the top ten P4P for holding, headbutting, using your elbows, and boring the fans to sleep with your style of fighting than ol' Hopkins is definitely in the top three. Although he is ranked number one P4P for the boxer with the most gaps between his teeth. :yep

That's just hating at its finest degree.

[Spitfire7]

[quote=ThunderPower]He was never dropped by Jaca.[quote]

JMM had his gloves on the canvas on the 7th(? or was it 8th?) and that's tantamount to a KD.

[thewoo]

2. Should Cotto be in there despite never winning a championship? (championship, not titles)

I got no problem with Cotto being rated over Calderon. I got a question for you though. In your opinion why do Calderon's 2 WBO titles have more weight than Cotto's titles. as far as I am concerned they are not any different. his mimimum weight title was vacant when he won it so it's not like he beat the man who beat the man (not to mention he won it against a guy that was 18-5-1 and it's the most meaningless of all the titles). His light flyweight title is also very disputable as just like with the minimum wieght title there are still 3 other guys that claim to be champs of his division all with belts that historically have been held at a higher regard than his.

[Illmatic]

JMM has never won a real championship either, only belts.

true...and he really loves those belts

[Marnoff]

See whats funny is that nobody could figure out how to beat Winky, but Bernard did. Now you can criticize the way that he did it, but the fact remains that he beat Winky in a competitive but clear decision. Everyone with a brain knew that this wasnt going to be an exciting affair going into the bout, so to criticize it now is meaningless.

Exactly. People act like Bernard should have found a way to box circles around Wright, knocking him down twice for the crowd... as if it is easy to take him out.

Before Hopkins beat him, people would have put Wright at least even with damn near anyone around his weight.

[Marnoff]

Thats what I'm saying. Hopkins has an uncanny ability to make you fight his fight, and I'm not sure that Dawson could avoid it.

That and I think that Hopkins might put him to sleep with his right hand.

I have a weird feeling about Hopkins-Dawson.

That, and the fact that Hopkins feeds on southpaws.

[sues2nd]

Maybe Im crazy, but I still have Calderon on the outside of the top ten looking in.

[Marnoff]

boxrecs pfp list

1 Bernard Hopkins light heavyweight
2 Floyd Mayweather Jr light middleweight
3 Israel Vazquez super bantamweight
4 Ricky Hatton light welterweight
5 Chris John featherweight
6 Jermain Taylor middleweight
7 Joe Calzaghe super middleweight
8 Cristian Mijares super flyweight
9 Shane Mosley welterweight
10 Miguel Angel Cotto welterweight

What a fucked up list.

[Marnoff]

Yeah and they make a big deal out of Wright backing him up but coming forward aint really the way to fight Winky because if you back up you can find the angles you need to break his turtle defense.

Yep, Bernard had the right plan and it worked. Surprise surprise? Hopkins is a master at finding the right plan.

[thewoo]

What a fucked up list.

I think that we all know better than to pay attention to boxrec's list.

[Marnoff]

I think that we all know better than to pay attention to boxrec's list.

Agreed.

[unclepaulie]

JMM and vazquez are rated way too high, bernard should be number 2, or at least 3 behind pac

[Amsterdam]

What a joke.

Hopkins should be lower top 10, JMM 5-7 and Calderon deserves Cotto's spot. Wright and Rafa need to be edged out of it.

[the_what]

Marquez is way to high on the list.