Kessler - Most unwarranted bandwagon

[yesihavearm]

Seriously, where has this Mikkel Kessler bandwagon come from ? How on earth does anyone in their right mind think that this hype-job is going to beat Calzaghe.

Oh..wait a minute..

I've been told that people think this because of his wins over a severely average Mundine, a totally shot Beyer, and Andrade the human punching bag.

Kessler would get beaten by:

Calzaghe
Hopkins
Wright
Dawson
Taylor
Pavlik

I'd even favour Jeff Lacy over him. So when Kessler loses to Calzaghe in Nov, maybe he shouldnt! go looking for the Lacy fight, as people have suggested.

[sues2nd]

Seriously, where has this Mikkel Kessler bandwagon come from ? How on earth does anyone in their right mind think that this hype-job is going to beat Calzaghe.

Oh..wait a minute..

I've been told that people think this because of his wins over a severely average Mundine, a totally shot Beyer, and Andrade the human punching bag.

Kessler would get beaten by:

Calzaghe
Hopkins
Wright
Dawson
Taylor
Pavlik

I'd even favour Jeff Lacy over him. So when Kessler loses to Calzaghe in Nov, maybe he shouldnt! go looking for the Lacy fight, as people have suggested.

I too think that he is overrated (some people even have gone as far as to put him in the top 10 P4P???)...and really hasnt beaten anyone of much worth yet. BUT, he is skilled and strong fundamentally...plus he has good pop.

That said, Calzaghe is going to SCHOOL HIM BADLY!!!

The biggest problem I see with this bandwagon is, all of the Calzaghe nuthuggers (AND YES!!! I AM A CALZAGHE FAN....but there are some bad ones on here) are going claim his throne as the greatest in the sport after he beats him.

Joe is going to cruise to a WIDE UD...then lose to Bernard.

:good

[DanePugilist]

Me: (pointing at Blocky): This is pot.
Me: (pointing at Ihavearm): Meet kettle.

[Harry]

Seriously, where has this Mikkel Kessler bandwagon come from ? How on earth does anyone in their right mind think that this hype-job is going to beat Calzaghe.

Oh..wait a minute..

I've been told that people think this because of his wins over a severely average Mundine, a totally shot Beyer, and Andrade the human punching bag.

Kessler would get beaten by:

Calzaghe
Hopkins
Wright
Dawson
Taylor
Pavlik

I'd even favour Jeff Lacy over him. So when Kessler loses to Calzaghe in Nov, maybe he shouldnt! go looking for the Lacy fight, as people have suggested.

:-(newb. kessler is the future p4p 1:shock:

[sues2nd]

:-(newb. kessler is the future p4p 1:shock:

:lol:

Lets not go toooooo far there buddy...Kessler is a good fighter, but come on.

[brooklyn1550]

:-(newb. kessler is the future p4p 1:shock:

No, he's not

[DanePugilist]

No, he's notWhy not? Because sports writers like Floyd so much that he is not removable?

[hopkinsfan07]

lacy would def beat him kessler has no head movement

calzaghe will make him look foolish

[Marnoff]

Based on styles alone, I believe Kessler is too straight up to get to Calzaghe.

[cuchulain]

Seriously, where has this Mikkel Kessler bandwagon come from ? How on earth does anyone in their right mind think that this hype-job is going to beat Calzaghe.

Oh..wait a minute..

I've been told that people think this because of his wins over a severely average Mundine, a totally shot Beyer, and Andrade the human punching bag.

Kessler would get beaten by:

Calzaghe
Hopkins
Wright
Dawson
Taylor
Pavlik

I'd even favour Jeff Lacy over him. So when Kessler loses to Calzaghe in Nov, maybe he shouldnt! go looking for the Lacy fight, as people have suggested.

Of your list, I would pick Calzaghe and maybe Dawson to take Kessler. The others would lose, some devastatingly.

[BigReg]

Seriously, where has this Mikkel Kessler bandwagon come from ? How on earth does anyone in their right mind think that this hype-job is going to beat Calzaghe.

Oh..wait a minute..

I've been told that people think this because of his wins over a severely average Mundine, a totally shot Beyer, and Andrade the human punching bag.

Kessler would get beaten by:

Calzaghe
Hopkins
Wright
Dawson
Taylor
Pavlik

I'd even favour Jeff Lacy over him. So when Kessler loses to Calzaghe in Nov, maybe he shouldnt! go looking for the Lacy fight, as people have suggested.

What are you trying to say, that Calzaghe is going after another hype job instead of challenging himself, and that he shouldn't be given much credit if he wins?

[BigReg]

Why not? Because sports writers like Floyd so much that he is not removable?

I like Kessler, but he's not as good as Mayweather. The only way Floyd looses the top spot is if he looses or retires(for real this time)

[Drew101]

I too think that he is overrated (some people even have gone as far as to put him in the top 10 P4P???)...and really hasnt beaten anyone of much worth yet. BUT, he is skilled and strong fundamentally...plus he has good pop.

That said, Calzaghe is going to SCHOOL HIM BADLY!!!

The biggest problem I see with this bandwagon is, all of the Calzaghe nuthuggers (AND YES!!! I AM A CALZAGHE FAN....but there are some bad ones on here) are going claim his throne as the greatest in the sport after he beats him.

Joe is going to cruise to a WIDE UD...then lose to Bernard.

:good

Kessler may not have fought anyone special, but, really, the same could be said for Calzaghe as well. JC's got the edge in terms of handspeed, but I think Kessler's solid fundamentals and power will offset that advantage, and that he'll be able to pund out a wide UD (which will likely be closer on the scorecards).

Anyway, in either case, the nthugging on this board will be absolutely unbearable for the subsequent week. :D

[Amsterdam]

I too think that he is overrated (some people even have gone as far as to put him in the top 10 P4P???)...and really hasnt beaten anyone of much worth yet. BUT, he is skilled and strong fundamentally...plus he has good pop.

That said, Calzaghe is going to SCHOOL HIM BADLY!!!

The biggest problem I see with this bandwagon is, all of the Calzaghe nuthuggers (AND YES!!! I AM A CALZAGHE FAN....but there are some bad ones on here) are going claim his throne as the greatest in the sport after he beats him.

Joe is going to cruise to a WIDE UD...then lose to Bernard.

:good

:rofl

[pecks]

I think Kessler will get to at least 3rd in the p4p rankings.

I see him beating everyone around him except Dawson. Though if Kessler is to beat Dawson it'd have to be fairly soon as I believe Dawson will excell more than Kessler will later down the track.

[Amsterdam]

Of your list, I would pick Calzaghe and maybe Dawson to take Kessler. The others would lose, some devastatingly.

Exactly. Hell, I am at the point where I think Kessler/Dawson is as 50/50 as it gets.

Wright would flat out get massacred, as would Taylor.

[THN]

Yesihavearm but Youhavenobrain

[Machine]

I think a lot of buzz surrounding Kessler stems from the fact that it could be argued that the guy hasn't lost a round of boxing in 39 fights. Its not so much who he's beaten but how fkn easily he's beaten them. While Calzaghe has excelled against the top tier fighters he's often looked mediocre and even beatable against lesser opponants.

[Dekkers]

Seriously, where has this Mikkel Kessler bandwagon come from ? How on earth does anyone in their right mind think that this hype-job is going to beat Calzaghe.

Oh..wait a minute..

I've been told that people think this because of his wins over a severely average Mundine, a totally shot Beyer, and Andrade the human punching bag.

Kessler would get beaten by:

Calzaghe
Hopkins
Wright
Dawson
Taylor
Pavlik

I'd even favour Jeff Lacy over him. So when Kessler loses to Calzaghe in Nov, maybe he shouldnt! go looking for the Lacy fight, as people have suggested.
LOL, Pavlik (let's see how he does against Taylor first) , Hopkins (maybe 4-5 years ago, workrate's to low now), Wright (unlikely, he'll only be 2 pounds lighter that the Hopks fight if that anything to go by), Taylor :rofl:rofl:rofl (Kessler does virtually everything better than Taylor, if Taylor had bothered improving one iota in the last few years this would've been different).

[Dekkers]

Exactly. Hell, I am at the point where I think Kessler/Dawson is as 50/50 as it gets.

Wright would flat out get massacred, as would Taylor.

Feel exactly the same way, actually lean towards Dawson slightly :good

[Quik]

Lol since he outclassed Lacy, ppl think Calzaghe is the greatest of all times. Lacy wasnt a good fighter at all and since Calzaghe beated a way overated Lacy, he has become overated too. I don't say Calzaghe is not a good fighter but saying like yesihavearm that Kessler would get beated by everybody is not fair at all. I really think Kessler is going to pull an upset, he boxes well and hits hard. I wouldnt put my money on this one but stop saying Kessler is sh*t when you didnt even saw him fight.

Kessler by TKO or wide UD.

[Quik]

I think Kessler will get to at least 3rd in the p4p rankings.

I see him beating everyone around him except Dawson. Though if Kessler is to beat Dawson it'd have to be fairly soon as I believe Dawson will excell more than Kessler will later down the track.

And btw Diaconu his gonna beat Dawson...

[Dekkers]

Lol since he outclassed Lacy, ppl think Calzaghe is the greatest of all times. Lacy wasnt a good fighter at all and since Calzaghe beated a way overated Lacy, he has become overated too. I don't say Calzaghe is not a good fighter but saying like yesihavearm that Kessler would get beated by everybody is not fair at all. I really think Kessler is going to pull an upset, he boxes well and hits hard. I wouldnt put my money on this one but stop saying Kessler is sh*t when you didnt even saw him fight.

Kessler by TKO or wide UD.

Don't judge Calzaghe on just one good night or several bad ones, he's always risen to the occasion in the past when good opponents have been put in front of him, expect the best Calzaghe, it'll be a very difficult fight for Kessler regardless of the outcome.

[yesihavearm]

Lol since he outclassed Lacy, ppl think Calzaghe is the greatest of all times. Lacy wasnt a good fighter at all and since Calzaghe beated a way overated Lacy, he has become overated too. I don't say Calzaghe is not a good fighter but saying like yesihavearm that Kessler would get beated by everybody is not fair at all. I really think Kessler is going to pull an upset, he boxes well and hits hard. I wouldnt put my money on this one but stop saying Kessler is sh*t when you didnt even saw him fight.

Kessler by TKO or wide UD.

Says it all

[DanePugilist]

LOL, Pavlik (let's see how he does against Taylor first) , Hopkins (maybe 4-5 years ago, workrate's to low now), Wright (unlikely, he'll only be 2 pounds lighter that the Hopks fight if that anything to go by), Taylor :rofl:rofl:rofl (Kessler does virtually everything better than Taylor, if Taylor had bothered improving one iota in the last few years this would've been different).Good post.

[Quik]

Don't judge Calzaghe on just one good night or several bad ones, he's always risen to the occasion in the past when good opponents have been put in front of him, expect the best Calzaghe, it'll be a very difficult fight for Kessler regardless of the outcome.

I don't judge Calzaghe on what he have done againts Lacy since Lacy is a joke. Im a fan of Calzaghe and it will be the toughest fight in Kessler's career, no doubt about that. What i hate is ppl like yesihavearm who don't know about kessler start hating on him without any reason. I really think kessler will win this one but as i said i wont put my money on that.

[DanePugilist]

I don't judge Calzaghe on what he have done againts Lacy since Lacy is a joke. Im a fan of Calzaghe and it will be the toughest fight in Kessler's career, no doubt about that. What i hate is ppl like yesihavearm who don't know about kessler start hating on him without any reason. I really think kessler will win this one but as i said i wont put my money on that.Don't mind him - he is just a guy who is pissed off at a fighter that wants to fight anyone. Maybe he even hates JC, since he obviously thinks that JC only fight hypejobs.

[jecxbox]

Calzaghe beats Taylor/Winky and maybe Hopkins. Not sure about Pav/Calzaghe. I'll be rooting for Calzaghe when they fight though.

[yesihavearm]

Look, just read some of my other threads of Calzaghe vs Kessler, too much time typing stuff out to you guys sometimes.

[jecxbox]

I don't judge Calzaghe on what he have done againts Lacy since Lacy is a joke.
Really hes a joke? You should spar with em then..See if you could even handle a jab to your chin from that man. Calzaghe put on a masterful performance against Jeff Lacy a serious puncher so don't take that away from Joe. I assume if Calzaghe blows Kessler out of the water you're going to be here saying the same shit that kessler is a joke. People like you give me headaches.

[DanePugilist]

Look, just read some of my other threads of Calzaghe vs Kessler, too much time typing stuff out to you guys sometimes.:lol: :lol: - first thread I checked - another guy accuses you of the same.:smoke .

Nonetheless - If you indeed are interested in boxing, and are indeed intelligent enough to goto university, then why do you post like a clueless hater?

If you like Calzaghe, why are you trying to put down his opposition to a level where it's unjustifying? - haven't he suffered enough of that in the past?

Why are you creating three threads in a row with no content other than utter meaningless shit. I always appreciate a Kessler thread, but surely you can do better... it works better if things are above sandbox level.

[Half-Dane]

Come nov 3rd i predict around 22 threads of the winning side kicking the loosings side's asses within 30 mins of the result

[DanePugilist]

I just found it funny that you accused Kessler supporters of being Boxrec kiddies when most of your assessment is grapped from boxrec.

[DoumB]

wait till u seem him defeat calzage, after that we will talk.

[sonny73]

Well Kessler was and still is regarded as Calzaghe biggest threat in and around that weight.Far more dangerous than Hopkins Wright and Taylor,not sure how good Dawson really is yet,forget about Pavlik he's just this weeks hype job.So it doesn't say much for all those guys if Kessler is crap,lol

[PH|LLA]

all i know is kessler is at worst even odds in his fight agains JC but the bookies have him as a 2 to 1 underdog and im gonna bet a shitload of money on him

[DanePugilist]

The key to beating Kessler is getting on the inside - what do you need to get on the inside against a good jabber? Either a strong counter left, good guard defense or shoulder rolls/evasion defence.
Not to mention you need a better footwork than Kessler and more speed. Then you need to rumble him.

Winky is just going to take Kesslers shots on his gloves, Kessler doesn't vary his punches enough to get past that defence, Winky has quicker hands and even with his slow as fuck footspeed, he's going to stay in the pocket against Kessler, like he did Taylor
How can he stay in the pocket, when his footspeed is slow? Kessler doesn't stand still, nor is he flatfooted. Punching speed will only help, if he is a great counterpuncher, since footspeed doesn't support him.

Taylor can throw to the body, hooks well from either side, has a tough chin and a jab that I feel matches Kesslers, I also think at 168, he could quite possibly have more power.
How did he fail to KO boxers at MW when fighting LMW'ers? Taylor doesn't fight smart, else he would have managed to get Wright to the ropes like he should have.

Hopkins is just going to walk through Kessler, using the shoulder rolls, land that right hand from time to time.
Walk through with his low workrate? He comes in bursts. He would have to knock out Kessler to win, because he would fail to win on points. He isn't stronger either. Kessler is likewise a good counterpuncher. Sorry he is too old for a prime fighter, whom is at his natural weight, while he isn't.

Calzaghe? Well, if Kessler lands more than 20% of his jabs against Calzaghe, I'm going to be utterly shocked - without the jab, what is Kessler reduced too? A telegraphed right hand, awkward feet movement and an upright style that leaves his chin open for a multitiude of angle punches.I don't wanna comment more on this just yet. We have been through this before - and I think there are too many unknown questions that needs to be answered on the 3rd of November to satisfy us all.

Have to say that Kessler would need more than a jab to win vs JC, just like JC needs to do more than pitty-pat Kessler, because it won't confuse him, like it did ie Lacy.

[DanePugilist]

all i know is kessler is at worst even odds in his fight agains JC but the bookies have him as a 2 to 1 underdog and im gonna bet a shitload of money on himThis is a good sign - I know you walk on water concerning this:lol: :lol:

[Maxime]

I've been told that people think this because of his wins over a severely average Mundine

I stopped reading after that.

[DanePugilist]

I stopped reading after that.You have done yourself a favour. I am stupid so I have tormented myself with this rubbish.

[sues2nd]

:rofl

You like that one Amsterdam....I put that in there for you bro!!!

:good :lol:

[sues2nd]

Kessler would lose to Hopkins, Taylor, Dawson and possibly Wright.

He should beat Pavlik, mostly because Pavlik doesn't really have anything special outside of punching power which with Kesslers defence shouldn't be too much of an issue.

Kessler does have an unwarranted bandwagon, largely because most of his fans are the typical Boxrec kiddies who point out titles - not reputation, not style, not technique.

Styles make matches - quite frankly, Kessler doesn't have a style that competes against Pinnacle fighters.

The closest to Pinnacle he came was Anthony Mundine and on the rare occassions that Mundine wasn't timid to shit, he was beating Kessler to the punch

This is the same Mundine that lost to Siaca, the same Mundine that got KO'ed by a feather fisted Sven Ottke.

The key to beating Kessler is getting on the inside - what do you need to get on the inside against a good jabber? Either a strong counter left, good guard defense or shoulder rolls/evasion defence.

Winky is just going to take Kesslers shots on his gloves, Kessler doesn't vary his punches enough to get past that defence, Winky has quicker hands and even with his slow as fuck footspeed, he's going to stay in the pocket against Kessler, like he did Taylor

Taylor can throw to the body, hooks well from either side, has a tough chin and a jab that I feel matches Kesslers, I also think at 168, he could quite possibly have more power.

Hopkins is just going to walk through Kessler, using the shoulder rolls, land that right hand from time to time.

Calzaghe? Well, if Kessler lands more than 20% of his jabs against Calzaghe, I'm going to be utterly shocked - without the jab, what is Kessler reduced too? A telegraphed right hand, awkward feet movement and an upright style that leaves his chin open for a multitiude of angle punches.

Wow Blocky...youve been steppin up your game lately bro!!!

Solid post!

:good

[Dantes]

Kessler UD.

Possibly Knockout.:thumbsup

[Dantes]

I do love how no one is even willing to touch my post - funny when fact is brought up about Kessler that can't be refuted by Boxrec, none of you have anything.

You have an arrogant, condescending tone to your posts. Fact is you write off Kessler like he's a nobody- he's beaten everybody put in front of him in convincing fashion. What more can he do? JC's a great fighter, but I honestly think kessler's going to beat him. Save your breath though- we'll find out the answer soon enough.

[madpup]

I am flabbergasted that Calzaghe's fans can dismiss Kessler's opposition. Calzaghe's last two fights were against Bika and Manfredo for fuck's sake.

[THN]

You will all see 3. november, why people who knows about boxing is hyping Kessler.
:yep :good

[paulfv]

I think the Kessler bandwagon will be getting a good bit lighter after MK steps in the ring with JC.

[Decebal]

Me: (pointing at Blocky): This is pot.
Me: (pointing at Ihavearm): Meet kettle.

:lol:

[PowerPuncher]

Both Calazage and Kessler would beat Hopkins, Taylor, Winky Wright and Pavlik. It may have been a different story in Hopkins prime but he still have lost to either.

Both are excellent fighters and as boxing fans this is fascinating and history. We have never had no1 and no2 at 168lbs unify before

Who'll win? I'm undecided

[THN]

I think the Kessler bandwagon will be getting a good bit lighter after MK steps in the ring with JC.
personaly I wouldn't mind losing 40 pounds :yep :yep

[cuchulain]

Both Calazage and Kessler would beat Hopkins, Taylor, Winky Wright and Pavlik. It may have been a different story in Hopkins prime but he still have lost to either.

Both are excellent fighters and as boxing fans this is fascinating and history. We have never had no1 and no2 at 168lbs unify before

Who'll win? I'm undecided

On the money.

I can't believe who deluded some posters are on this topic. Blocky (and others) have Winky beating Kessler!
That would be a brutal , early round KO.

[IntentionalButt]

Kessler would get beaten by:

Hopkins
Wright
Taylor
Pavlik

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[IntentionalButt]

You have SEEN Winky's chin, right? You saw him take Hopkins best shots at 170, right?


Dude, I'd take a punch from Hopkins without a wince, and so would my grandmother, hell even you would barely shed more than six, seven tears. :good

[IntentionalButt]

Funny that Tarver, a guy with a relatively tough chin and a natural LHW got sat down by Hopkins then, isn't it..?

grandma > tarver.

[Max Molyneux]

Even Calzaghe knows Kessler Is nothing more than an orthodox Euro fighter.

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I think the guy who said Kessler has no head movement Is right.

So why Is he hyped so much other than winning two belts? Calzaghe won 2 belts Including the ring and he's still questioned.

[IntentionalButt]

Even Calzaghe knows Kessler Is nothing more than an orthodox Euro fighter.

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I think the guy who said Kessler has no head movement Is right.

So why Is he hyped so much other than winning two belts? Calzaghe won 2 belts Including the ring and he's still questioned.

Neither is questioned, except by some of my dumber and less informed fellow Americans. They are the two best super middles in the world right now, bar none. Calzaghe #1, Kessler #2. Until proven otherwise. Anybody who doesn't see it that way is deluded.

[Max Molyneux]

I just don't see how Kessler's a threat to Joe though?

I see Kessler beating the rest but Supermiddles not hard to win a belt In.

[Guru_Too_You]

Neither is questioned, except by some of my dumber and less informed fellow Americans. They are the two best super middles in the world right now, bar none. Calzaghe #1, Kessler #2. Until proven otherwise. Anybody who doesn't see it that way is deluded.

:good

The same could not be said with nearly as much confidence with Calzaghe-Lacy.

[Astola]

:good

The same could not be said with nearly as much confidence with Calzaghe-Lacy.

Not at all in fact.

Lacy was the #3 fighter at the time of the fight according to the Ring....

Kessler was #2.

I believe this to be some kind of truth at that specific point in time.

[MacManJr.]

The Kessler Bandwagon is nothing compared to the Golota Express. It is out of control and full speed ahead! lol

[Guru_Too_You]

Lacy was the most dominant fighter in the division and the young blood that was about to become Ring Champion

Remember the Ring decided to forgo its ruling of the Ring Belt only being available to the #1 and #2 contenders because of how good they thought Lacy was.

So don't bring the "Lacy was #3" - at the time of the fight, Lacy was most definitely seen as #2 by the majority of boxing scribes - in fact, he was probably seen as #1.

There was a vast Kessler support group at that time as well, as Ring clearly depicted by having him at number two.

Its not rocket science.

Or and ab contest.

[Ramshall1]

Kessler was way ahead on the scorecards in the Andrade fight, yet in the last round he still kept "fighting: and going for the finish. . . thats the way fighters are supposed to fight. He deserves all the respect he's gotten, and he deserved his shot at the top SMW, props to Cal for stepping up to the plate.

[Astola]

Lacy was the most dominant fighter in the division and the young blood that was about to become Ring Champion

Remember the Ring decided to forgo its ruling of the Ring Belt only being available to the #1 and #2 contenders because of how good they thought Lacy was.

So don't bring the "Lacy was #3" - at the time of the fight, Lacy was most definitely seen as #2 by the majority of boxing scribes - in fact, he was probably seen as #1.

Well, I never thought Lacy was that good! He has always been a fighter living off of his power and inside game against mediocre opposition.

You know - if Tyson hasnt been around, Lacy wouldnt have been regarded the way he was.

Stupid fuckin journalists, huh?

[IntentionalButt]

I just don't see how Kessler's a threat to Joe though?

I see Kessler beating the rest but Supermiddles not hard to win a belt In.
Mikkel's obviously and quite clearly the underdog, Calzaghe represents an astronomical stylistic challenge for him, even his most ardent fans know that deep down. But he's got a shot, anything can happen, that's what makes this sport (sometimes) exciting.

If Joe didn't exist, or existed at a different weight, MK would be the undisputed, unified, invincible SMW champion %completehalt%

[Ramshall1]

Not hard to "go for the finish" when your opponent is Andrade,who landed 10% of his total punches and never once adapted his gameplan of charging forward like a bull, swinging shots.

Andrade is a hard puncher and one shot right on the point the chin mighta changed things. . . just look at Cosme vs Berto.

He could have easily taken the punks way out, ran the last couple rounds and got a UD by wide margin.

[IntentionalButt]

Style wise, like it or not - Lacy posed more problems and that remains true TO THIS DAY.
Even if this point were true, and I'm certainly not willing to concede that it is - styles aren't everything. Skills and talent can offset styles. Kessler brings more skill and talent to the table on his worst day than Lacy on his best, that remains true TO RAGNAROK.

[Ramshall1]

What I find entirely ironic is the fact that many discredit Lacy as a bum yet they're all so eager to point out Andrades strengths.

Andrade hadn't beat anyone near the quality of Lacy's top 4 wins, so please - Andrade is an unknown fighter who feasted on a poor division, got hyped up and got smacked over by a better boxer on the night.

That he didn't get KO'ed could say as much for Kessler's power as it does for Andrade's chin.

you got me confused with someone else. . . Lacy was the top challenger at the time. Cal won props to him.

Kessler is the top challenger now and props to Cal for taking the challenge. Andrade was a tough customer and Kessler could have easily coasted the last couple rounds but he didnt, he put on a show. Props to him for that.

The only complaint I have is that Cal sometimes holds too much on the inside, but overall he's a good fighter and hes giving the fight fans the best possible fight at SMW.

[Astola]

It's funny you say the exact line "fighter living off his power and inside game against mediocre opposition" because my thoughts of Kessler is as "a fighter living off his jab, reach and defense against mediocre opposition"

I felt like a lone light at the time of the Lacy fight, I predicted UD12 but said that I would not be at all surprised if Calzaghe stopped him within 9 - which in view of the fight, was probably about the round the fight should have been stopped.

Lacy had a better style to combat Calzaghe in my eyes, Calzaghe has superb handspeed, footwork and angles - he can beat (and has beat) opponents from the outside but has such an advantage on the inside that he loves to get in and brawl.

The problem for Calzaghe in that, was that Lacy had superb one punch power, a left hook that had found some very educated chins and enough muscle that he should've been able to bully Calzaghe about whenever he came on the inside.

Calzaghe made this a non-event because he was so good at measuring the distance, coming in, firing a combination and getting back out before Lacy could land..

Even so, Lacy did land a few punches in the early stages that didn't rattle Calzaghe.

Kessler on the other hand, is going to try to beat a guy who you have to admit, has more handspeed, more punching options, better angles and more head movement - from the outside, with a jab.

This isn't even mentioning that the guy in question is a southpaw, with a very quick counter left and a reputation for being absolutely hard to hit with the jab.

Style wise, like it or not - Lacy posed more problems and that remains true TO THIS DAY.

Bollocks. I hate to say it but thats what it is.

Lacy tried all night to get on the inside with Calzaghe, who was superior on the outside and on the inside as well.

What I dont understand about this fight is that noone in Lacys camp apparently had seen any of Calzaghes fights....

Calzaghe is the man on the inside and he throws people around like they are fuckin amateurs. Just watch the Byron Mitchell fight...

If Lacy had the ability he should have tried too stay out of infight all night, and land the bombs from there.

The way too beat Calzaghe is by fighting intelligent from the outside. You need a hell of a punch arsenal + right hand pop to do this imho.
Every time Calzaghe tries to get in, Kessler needs to punish him.

The roles are totally different when we compare to the Lacy fight.

[PeterNielsen70]

It's funny you say the exact line "fighter living off his power and inside game against mediocre opposition" because my thoughts of Kessler is as "a fighter living off his jab, reach and defense against mediocre opposition"

I felt like a lone light at the time of the Lacy fight, I predicted UD12 but said that I would not be at all surprised if Calzaghe stopped him within 9 - which in view of the fight, was probably about the round the fight should have been stopped.

Lacy had a better style to combat Calzaghe in my eyes, Calzaghe has superb handspeed, footwork and angles - he can beat (and has beat) opponents from the outside but has such an advantage on the inside that he loves to get in and brawl.

The problem for Calzaghe in that, was that Lacy had superb one punch power, a left hook that had found some very educated chins and enough muscle that he should've been able to bully Calzaghe about whenever he came on the inside.

Calzaghe made this a non-event because he was so good at measuring the distance, coming in, firing a combination and getting back out before Lacy could land..

Even so, Lacy did land a few punches in the early stages that didn't rattle Calzaghe.

Kessler on the other hand, is going to try to beat a guy who you have to admit, has more handspeed, more punching options, better angles and more head movement - from the outside, with a jab.

This isn't even mentioning that the guy in question is a southpaw, with a very quick counter left and a reputation for being absolutely hard to hit with the jab.

Style wise, like it or not - Lacy posed more problems and that remains true TO THIS DAY.

Oh god Blocky – but hats off to Joe for fighting a smart fight against Lacy the turtle. But Lacy did nothing in that fight besides coming slowly flatfooted forward with imprecise hooks. Kessler has never been in the slightest trouble in any fights – and the 35 year old Welshman is not going to alter this fact. Kessler by stoppage in round 9 or UD. Kessler will school Joe in a hard fight - he just have to watch out for Joe's tight quick left hook and his uppercuts - but else he will be home free...

[boxfan99]

Lacy didn't adjust his gameplan? That's fucking funny cause I swear I saw Lacy start to feint more after the third and fourth round - I swear I saw Lacy start pressing back and to the side, rather than coming towards Calzaghe.. I swear I saw Lacy try to load up and hit when Calzaghe came in.

Did you even fucking watch the fight?

Andrade - lumbering dope that kept coming in time and time again, swinging the same punches and missing

Lacy - tried to pressure fight Calzaghe for the first two rounds, trying to just swarm, push him back and land the money punch... when this didn't work, he switched to feinting and attempting to time his punches as Calzaghe came in, when this didn't work, he tried to slip away from Calzaghe and land loaded shots when Calzaghe tried to close the distance.

Lacy even tried at one point to jab against Calzaghe - around about the forth round - that's when both of his eyes got cut cause Calzaghe was countering over the top of his jab.

Put Lacy in with Andrade, if Andrade survives six, I'll be shocked.

And we all know that if Andrade should win (I'm not saying he would), then you would claim it was because Calzaghe already destroyed Lacy.:roll:

Btw, when do you expect Manfredo to become a worldchamp or was it Bika?:-(

[Astola]

Note, I said Lacy had a style that created more problems - I didn't say that he himself would create more problems.

Kessler could very well have more intellect, a better gameplan and more ability to put it into play than Lacy - we'll find out on the night

You don't beat a quicker fighter, with higher workrate, better headmovement and more lateral footwork from the outside - you just don't.

Kessler's style is SO wrong for Calzaghe that I'm just shocked that people seem to think it's right for the win.

Calzaghes inside fight game was under-estimated by Lacy's team but the point is, Calzaghe doesn't just sit in the pocket - it's his ability to fire shots from the outside, get his opponent backing up and then swarm in that makes them look like amateurs

Most of the time when you think of an inside fighter, you think of a guy like Clottey, who sits in the pocket repeatedly and just trys to fight.

Calzaghe doesn't do that - Calzaghe works his way in behind his fast hands, good movement and punching angles, then swarms his opponent with a series of punches before exiting to the side..

This is why Lacy couldn't catch him - this is also why Kessler is going to HAVE to get used to fighting on the inside because his footwork isn't good enough to stop it.

Let me reiterate

Keys for Calzaghe
Follow his natural gameplan
Use his punching angles
Work his way into the inside
Watch for the predictable right hand

Keys for Kessler
Try keep Calzaghe on the outside
Make the right count
Use the jab as a distraction, not the money punch
- in effect, break up his natural gameplan

Now, none of you like me to mention it - but Calzaghe has destroyed Kessler's style of fighter time and time and time again.

Come Nov 3rd, it's going to happen again.


Funny thing is - this is almost excactly how I see it. I just add that Kessler will be throwing all sorts of punches on the night. Left hook is one of them.

Kessler will try to counter Joe and Joe will try to get on the inside to make the swarming count (living up to the promised 2000 punches...)

I say its close too 50/50.

[DanePugilist]

I don't think Lacy is destroyed, he's still young and despite being thrashed - he didn't really have bombs landed on him.

If Andrade beats Lacy, he's got something more up his sleeve than he showed against Kessler - Andrade is a crude puncher, Lacy, despite having enormous inside power, was quite an educated puncher.

Bika and Manfredo will likely both become WCs as soon as Calzaghe, Lacy and Kessler leave the division.Kessler made Andrade look worse than he is, just like JC did to Lacy. The pace was just too high for Andrade, and the classdiffence was just too high - just like Lacy vs JC.


JC knows this is his toughest fight ever. Enzo knows this as well. Most knows this. Why can't you just accept that what Kessler does, he does at elite level. Just like JC.

[DanePugilist]

How can I be fanatical when my eyes are wide open? You are the one that continues to look only at one side of the coin. You are cocooning JCs skills based on one fight, where everything went perfect.

Calzaghe don't wanna fight anymore Manfredos - only the best - and thats what Kessler is at 168. Nuff said - the future will tell, and I am done with you.

[IntentionalButt]

Blocky's basically just setting up straw men and masturbating himself into a frenzy here. I would strongly recommend that nobody indulge him by engaging any longer.

[DanePugilist]

Blocky's basically just setting up straw men and masturbating himself into a frenzy here. I would strongly recommend that nobody indulge him by engaging any longer.I concur. It's like a broken pencil; pointless.

[thesandman]

You have SEEN Winky's chin, right? You saw him take Hopkins best shots at 170, right?

Where do you get this idea that Kessler is some miracle fighter? That's beyond me.

Winky has a defense that has frustrated some of the very best punchers in the sport, let alone a jabber that doesn't work well with the hook, doesn't come in from angles and doesn't have much in the way of lateral movement (Kessler moves straight back)

Winky's guard defense is going to make it tough all night for Kessler, Winky's jab is very accomplished at finding the right hander's jaw and without question, he still has faster hands than Kessler does.

He's not going to be afraid of Kessler, he's been in with Hopkins, Taylor and Trinidad - all three have as much, if not more power than Kessler with a tonne more punching opportunities.

He's been in with Sugar Shane, one of the best offensive combo punchers in the game and his defense won out

Show some fucking respect to a guy that has fought some of the best in the last 5 years of his career and done very well for himself - meanwhile Kessler's best win is Mundine?

Where in the fuck do you get off believing Kessler is going to do shit to Wright?

I'm not even half way through this thread, and you've proven you're a fucking arse.

Going on your boxrec arguments alone, you are aware that Winky didn't exactly flatter himself against Sam Soliman right?

The same Soliman that Mundine (the extremely average Mundine wasn't it???), completely fucking hammered recently? Knocking him down and stopping him for the first time I think?

Wright lost to Hopkins recently, and if I may say so, looked like shit. Hopkins barely throws any punches these days, and made Winkys guard look very average indeed.

And how would you know how to beat Kessler? Based on what - the fights he's lost so far? Or your extensive boxrec knowledge?

[DanePugilist]

I'm not even half way through this thread, and you've proven you're a fucking arse.

Going on your boxrec arguments alone, you are aware that Winky didn't exactly flatter himself against Sam Soliman right?

The same Soliman that Mundine (the extremely average Mundine wasn't it???), completely fucking hammered recently? Knocking him down and stopping him for the first time I think?

Wright lost to Hopkins recently, and if I may say so, looked like shit. Hopkins barely throws any punches these days, and made Winkys guard look very average indeed.

And how would you know how to beat Kessler? Based on what - the fights he's lost so far? Or your extensive boxrec knowledge?Class post.:good , but most will go on deaf ears(eyes) from Blocky. He has a master degree in selective reading, and/or short and long term memory loss.

[thesandman]

I'm not even going to go into the fact that Taylor was bamboozled by the relatively lightweight Cory Spinks.

Imagine if he faced the "extremely average Mundine", who is naturally about 15-20 pounds heavier than Spinks, and probably just as fast.

(I am not a Mundine fan BTW, I think he's an asshat. But he is a good fighter without doubt).

[DanePugilist]

I'm not even going to go into the fact that Taylor was bamboozled by the relatively lightweight Cory Spinks.

Imagine if he faced the "extremely average Mundine", who is naturally about 15-20 pounds heavier than Spinks, and probably just as fast.

(I am not a Mundine fan BTW, I think he's an asshat. But he is a good fighter without doubt).Another good point, and another point that has been presented to him before - but somehow it slips from his memory. All he remembers concerning Mundine is that Ottke KO'd him and Kessler beat him coz he was timid.

[DanePugilist]

In side the next 3 years we all know better, because then Kessler has taken on every one off them? (except Wright i guess):rastaI dont hope Kessler meets Hopkins - I don't want him to be known as one that batters old men.

[PrideOfWales]

I think Denmarkish people always look for new heros. Maybe when Kelssel is beat they will say that Kasper Schmeichel is the best goalkeeper in the world. Either way, they'll always be a nation of Jon Dahl Tomasson's and Brian Nielsens. huh

[DanePugilist]

I think Denmarkish people always look for new heros. Maybe when Kelssel is beat they will say that Kasper Schmeichel is the best goalkeeper in the world. Either way, they'll always be a nation of Jon Dahl Tomasson's and Brian Nielsens. huhAs opposed to what the Walesians do. Being from a small country yourself, you outta concur with these things. Are you teary eyed, because Giggs' Utd couldn't score on Schmeichel?

[DanePugilist]

You need to get your head out of your ass Euro-fag ! You come off like a real penis ...:goodYou just managed to own yourself - well done.

[Decebal]

You need to get your head out of your ass Euro-fag ! You come off like a real penis ...:good

:patsch :-(

[thesandman]

Sam Soliman - a volume puncher who threw punches all freaking night against Winky Wright and made it difficult for Wright to do much himself, Wright still managed to win a decision

Styles make fights, Soliman got schooled by Mundine a few fights later - that doesn't mean Mundine would School Winky.

See, Boxrec knowledge is when you refer to a win and not to the context behind it..

You know, like "Winky looked like shit against Hopkins" - no he didn't, many felt he was poorly judged on the scorecards, was attempting to press the action but was cautious of Hopkins power at 170.

Perhaps you should go back and view the fight, shitwit?

I've seen the fight. And if Wright thinks Hopkins has power at 170, I shudder to think how he would fare against a younger, legit LHW.

And not referring to the context behind a fight? You disparage Mundine on the basis of getting KO'd by Ottke, right?

Yet, you don't acknowledge the fact it was something like his 11th pro fight, with no amateur background? You don't give him any allowance for learning on the job?

Look at who other guys were fighting in their 11th pro fight. Most weren't fighting for a world title in another guys back yard.

but of course, you only look at context when it suits your argument, right?