Kessler vs HOF's

[yesihavearm]

Lets see how Mikkel stands up to these current and future Hall of famers:

Mikkel Kessler vs

Marvin Hagler - k01
Tommy Hearns - k01
Sugar Ray Leonard - UD
Bernard Hopkins - UD
Roy Jones Jr - k01
Joe Calzaghe - UD
James Toney - k01
Nigel Benn - k01
Chris Eubank - UD

Lennox Lewis - k01
Evander Holyfield - k01
Mike Tyson - k01
Muhammed Ali - k01
Nikolai Valuev - k01

So there you have it.

If you put Kessler into these 14 fights suggested, he would be 0 - 14.

[DanePugilist]

Please continue to dig yourself a hole in the ground, while you wait for a ban.

[Fab2333]

Please continue to dig yourself a hole in the ground, while you wait for a ban.:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:yep

[China_hand_Joe]

Mikkel Kessler vs

Marvin Hagler - k01
Tommy Hearns - k01
Sugar Ray Leonard - UD
Bernard Hopkins - UD
Roy Jones Jr - k01
Joe Calzaghe - UD
James Toney - k01
Nigel Benn - k01
Chris Eubank - UD

Lennox Lewis - k01
Evander Holyfield - k01
Mike Tyson - k01
Muhammed Ali - k01
Nikolai Valuev - k01

Mike Kessler wouldn't KO Lennox in one round.

[DanePugilist]

Mike Kessler wouldn't KO Lennox in one round.:lol: :lol:

[Fab2333]

Mike Kessler wouldn't KO Lennox in one round.

CHina I think he meant it the other way around, that Lennox would KO him in 1 round:yep

[Amsterdam]

If you want my serious opinion though on these fights against Kessler peak/peak at 168, I will give them -



Marvin Hagler - Kessler UD

Thomas Hearns - Kessler by KO

Ray Leonard - Kessler by KO

Bernard Hopkins - People won't like this, but Kessler close UD. Awful style for Hopkins.

Roy Jones Jr - Roy Jones by stoppage

Joe Calzaghe - Calzaghe by stoppage

James Toney - Kessler has a great style against Toney, but Toney would get him late. Toney by stoppage.

Nigel Benn - Kessler wide decision.

Chris Eubank - I'm torn. Eubank could get a stoppage, but Kessler could also win a brutally contested decision. He had a great style for Eubank.

Kessler is CLASS!:good

[brooklyn1550]

Valuev a future HOFer - good one

[sues2nd]

Mike Kessler wouldn't KO Lennox in one round.

:rofl :rofl :rofl

Your the king CHJ!!!!

[China_hand_Joe]

Please continue to dig yourself a hole in the ground, while you wait for a ban.You are dreaming if you think he'll get a ban mate.

[DanePugilist]

CHina I think he meant it the other way around, that Lennox would KO him in 1 round:yepI think he realized that, he merely countered idiocy in a prober manner.

[brooklyn1550]

Hagler, Hopkins, Toney, Jones, Calzaghe, and Eubank all beat Kessler in my opinion.

[DanePugilist]

You are dreaming if you think he'll get a ban mate.True, but one can always hope(dream) if he keeps this up. Not that it would matter, because seemingly bans don't include ip bans..

[Amsterdam]

Hagler, Hopkins, Toney, Jones, Calzaghe, and Eubank all beat Kessler in my opinion.

The only people that defeat Kessler are those who can control the pace and dictate the fight. Toney, Hagler, Hopkins, Benn and Eubank are going to be greatly troubled, where as speed demons like Jones and Calzaghe have a clear stylistic edge in being able to bully him inside and out with speed and fight their fight.

Benn especially just gets wiped out from Kessler's commanding offense behind the jab, that would be a massive brutal beatdown.

Kessler's jab is a dictatorship for a guy like Hopkins and Toney, but Toney I feel would pull it out late with his punching power, where as Hopkins would be too tentative when it came to pulling this out. Hopkins is too romanticised at the moment, a guy like Kessler is massive trouble for him.

[China_hand_Joe]

kessler will beat calzaghe its not time to be obsessed with him now lol

Are you that chuffed fan that got to meet Joe Calzaghe I see in your avatar?

[Harry]

Lets see how Mikkel stands up to these current and future Hall of famers:

Mikkel Kessler vs

Marvin Hagler - k01
Tommy Hearns - k01
Sugar Ray Leonard - UD
Bernard Hopkins - UD
Roy Jones Jr - k01
Joe Calzaghe - UD
James Toney - k01
Nigel Benn - k01
Chris Eubank - UD

Lennox Lewis - k01
Evander Holyfield - k01
Mike Tyson - k01
Muhammed Ali - k01
Nikolai Valuev - k01

So there you have it.

If you put Kessler into these 14 fights suggested, he would be 0 - 14.

:-( newb

[brooklyn1550]

Kessler's jab is a dictatorship for a guy like Hopkins and Toney, but Toney I feel would pull it out late with his punching power, where as Hopkins would be too tentative when it came to pulling this out. Hopkins is too romanticised at the moment, a guy like Kessler is massive trouble for him.

A younger Hopkins, in my opinion, would beat Kessler in a clear decision. He is more versatile and Kessler's jab wouldn't be as effective as it normally is. Kessler is too predictable for Hopkins.

I think Hagler beats Kessler too

[Amsterdam]

A younger Hopkins, in my opinion, would beat Kessler in a close decision. He is more versatile and Kessler's jab wouldn't be as effective as it normally is.

I think Hagler beats Kessler too

A younger Hopkins would have annihilated Taylor also, but Kessler is 3 steps up from Taylor and of a similiar style.

Hagler has the pressure, but just lacks the speed and he struggled with lesser fighters than Kessler at times. My prediction is not out of the question. Greats are sometimes held on a pedastool, Kessler could very well later become an ATG.

And I can't see anyone who can't control the pace beating Kessler, it's kind of that simple. That leaves Kessler a wide variety of wins over even some great fighters.

[Faetter_BR]

Damn I hate these mytical match-ups... Nothing but hot air and crap. How can one predict a KO-loss for Kessler, when we haven't seen his chin yet - for all we know he might have a chin of granit. How can you predict that getting in close with Kessler will make Kessler loose? - we haven't seen anyone do it - hence we have little to no idea how Kessler handles that. We have far too little knowledge about Kessler's abilities to go predict crap like the first post here. Only thing we know for sure is that if a boxer has major problems with a hard stiff jab, then he'll loose to Kessler.

In boxing it's the real world that counts - and in the real world Kessler is facing Calzaghe - now that's interesting - and here you'll answer for your "prediction" :) - predicting that Ali would beat Valuev is free of charge and f*cking irrelevant!

[sues2nd]

The only people that defeat Kessler are those who can control the pace and dictate the fight. Toney, Hagler, Hopkins, Benn and Eubank are going to be greatly troubled, where as speed demons like Jones and Calzaghe have a clear stylistic edge in being able to bully him inside and out with speed and fight their fight.

Benn especially just gets wiped out from Kessler's commanding offense behind the jab, that would be a massive brutal beatdown.

Kessler's jab is a dictatorship for a guy like Hopkins and Toney, but Toney I feel would pull it out late with his punching power, where as Hopkins would be too tentative when it came to pulling this out. Hopkins is too romanticised at the moment, a guy like Kessler is massive trouble for him.

:-(

A guy who in most instances falls in love with the same combo over and over.....oh I can definately see how a fantastic counterpuncher with unreal defense would have a problem with that....

:patsch

Hopkins would time him easily. EASY, VERY EASY UD!

[DanePugilist]

If you want my serious opinion though on these fights against Kessler peak/peak at 168, I will give them -



Marvin Hagler - Kessler UD

Thomas Hearns - Kessler by KO

Ray Leonard - Kessler by KO

Bernard Hopkins - People won't like this, but Kessler close UD. Awful style for Hopkins.

Roy Jones Jr - Roy Jones by stoppage

Joe Calzaghe - Calzaghe by stoppage

James Toney - Kessler has a great style against Toney, but Toney would get him late. Toney by stoppage.

Nigel Benn - Kessler wide decision.

Chris Eubank - I'm torn. Eubank could get a stoppage, but Kessler could also win a brutally contested decision. He had a great style for Eubank.

Kessler is CLASS!:goodI not really sure if I agree with this. Guys he would definately beat makes you torn, while legends you think he would beat. I know they were smaller guys, but I don't think that Kessler would beat the 3 first mentioned, while he would definately beat Eubank, Benn and Hopkins, imho. Besides JC I agree on the rest.

[Faetter_BR]

The only people that defeat Kessler are those who can control the pace and dictate the fight. Toney, Hagler, Hopkins, Benn and Eubank are going to be greatly troubled, where as speed demons like Jones and Calzaghe have a clear stylistic edge in being able to bully him inside and out with speed and fight their fight.

Benn especially just gets wiped out from Kessler's commanding offense behind the jab, that would be a massive brutal beatdown.

Kessler's jab is a dictatorship for a guy like Hopkins and Toney, but Toney I feel would pull it out late with his punching power, where as Hopkins would be too tentative when it came to pulling this out. Hopkins is too romanticised at the moment, a guy like Kessler is massive trouble for him.

Toney carries a decent punch - but he is no powerpuncher - 43KO's in 80 fights isn't exactly "Tyson-style-power"

[China_hand_Joe]

The active, attacking Hopkins of the past could do it better than the later, 'false-prime' hopkins of the last decade.

[Harry]

Damn I hate these mytical match-ups... Nothing but hot air and crap. How can one predict a KO-loss for Kessler, when we haven't seen his chin yet - for all we know he might have a chin of granit. How can you predict that getting in close with Kessler will make Kessler loose? - we haven't seen anyone do it - hence we have little to no idea how Kessler handles that. We have far too little knowledge about Kessler's abilities to go predict crap like the first post here. Only thing we know for sure is that if a boxer has major problems with a hard stiff jab, then he'll loose to Kessler.

In boxing it's the real world that counts - and in the real world Kessler is facing Calzaghe - now that's interesting - and here you'll answer for your "prediction" :) - predicting that Ali would beat Valuev is free of charge and f*cking irrelevant!

YEA!

[El Bombasto]

Valuev a future HOFer - good one

:yep

[Faetter_BR]

:-(

A guy who in most instances falls in love with the same combo over and over.....oh I can definately see how a fantastic counterpuncher with unreal defense would have a problem with that....

:patsch

Hopkins would time him easily. EASY, VERY EASY UD!

Hopkins will be at the end of Kessler's jab - getting tagged all night - wide UD for Kessler - if Kessler beats Calzaghe HBO has a four-fight contract ready for him - including a fight with Hopkins (who after the fight of course is deamed over the top by the US-media :smoke )

[brooklyn1550]

A younger Hopkins would have annihilated Taylor also, but Kessler is 3 steps up from Taylor and of a similiar style.

Hagler has the pressure, but just lacks the speed and he struggled with lesser fighters than Kessler at times. My prediction is not out of the question. Greats are sometimes held on a pedastool, Kessler could very well later become an ATG.

And I can't see anyone who can't control the pace beating Kessler, it's kind of that simple. That leaves Kessler a wide variety of wins over even some great fighters.

A younger Hagler did have excellent speed and excellent defense. He could get inside on Kessler and really do some damage.

[brooklyn1550]

Hopkins will be at the end of Kessler's jab - getting tagged all night - wide UD for Kessler - if Kessler beats Calzaghe HBO has a four-fight contract ready for him - including a fight with Hopkins (who after the fight of course is deamed over the top by the US-media :smoke )

Tagged all night? Since when as Hopkins been "tagged all night?" Kessler would have trouble establishing his jab against Hopkins.

[Faetter_BR]

Tagged all night? Since when as Hopkins been "tagged all night?" Kessler would have trouble establishing his jab against Hopkins.

The Hopkins that just fought Wright will be a sitting duck versus Kessler - but we'll take that one when(if) it becomes relevant - for now it's just academic and even though it's called the sweet sience - it's often harder to predict than the more normal siences :rasta

[DanePugilist]

The active, attacking Hopkins of the past could do it better than the later, 'false-prime' hopkins of the last decade.:good

[sues2nd]

Hopkins will be at the end of Kessler's jab - getting tagged all night - wide UD for Kessler - if Kessler beats Calzaghe HBO has a four-fight contract ready for him - including a fight with Hopkins (who after the fight of course is deamed over the top by the US-media :smoke )

Wright and Taylor both have equal or better jabs....was he at the end of them in those fight?

Kessler is too much of a routine fighter....throwing the same combos ALL too much. Hopkins has UNBELIEVABLE TIMING and accuracy. He will counter Kessler all night.

Plus, Bernard is arguably the best defensive fighter out there (you could argue Floyd, but noone else at this point), how can ANYONE say a jab would keep him at bay?

Doesnt make much sense.

Kessler is a good fighter, but he is not on Hopkins level....or Joe's for that matter.

[DanePugilist]

Yes, of course. An old Hopkins, whose workrate is on par with an old lady can beat prime Kessler. Get real. It will work vs other way-past prime people or smaller guys.

[Faetter_BR]

Wright and Taylor both have equal or better jabs....was he at the end of them in those fight?

Kessler is too much of a routine fighter....throwing the same combos ALL too much. Hopkins has UNBELIEVABLE TIMING and accuracy. He will counter Kessler all night.

Plus, Bernard is arguably the best defensive fighter out there (you could argue Floyd, but noone else at this point), how can ANYONE say a jab would keep him at bay?

Doesnt make much sense.

Kessler is a good fighter, but he is not on Hopkins level....or Joe's for that matter.

Kessler's jab is faster, harder and more accurate than both Taylor and Wright.

Hopkins is a great defensive fighter, but he is also lazy - Kessler's workrate alone will take him far towards a victory.

But let's leave it here - until the discussion gets some relevans. As in a actual fight is made.

[Harry]

Wright and Taylor both have equal or better jabs....was he at the end of them in those fight?

Kessler is too much of a routine fighter....throwing the same combos ALL too much. Hopkins has UNBELIEVABLE TIMING and accuracy. He will counter Kessler all night.

Plus, Bernard is arguably the best defensive fighter out there (you could argue Floyd, but noone else at this point), how can ANYONE say a jab would keep him at bay?

Doesnt make much sense.

Kessler is a good fighter, but he is not on Hopkins level....or Joe's for that matter.
sometime soon your opinion will change.
how many rounds did kessler loose in 39 fights? was it 3? or 4? thats outstanding yea?. and how many clean knockouts compared to calzaghe ? search for yourself. kessler is in a league of hes own and future p4p 1 :shock:

[Amsterdam]

I not really sure if I agree with this. Guys he would definately beat makes you torn, while legends you think he would beat. I know they were smaller guys, but I don't think that Kessler would beat the 3 first mentioned, while he would definately beat Eubank, Benn and Hopkins, imho. Besides JC I agree on the rest.

I don't hold greats on a pedastool, they can all be beaten and I was judging from styles and intangibles only, which is how I always pick fights to begin with.

The first 1 in Hagler is subject to argument, but I feel Hagler vastly overrated and on the end of the jab all night. The 2nd two at 168 were too small to do a damn thing.

Eubank presents intangibles that could get him a win.

[steelem]

Lets see how Mikkel stands up to these current and future Hall of famers:

Mikkel Kessler vs

Marvin Hagler - k01
Tommy Hearns - k01
Sugar Ray Leonard - UD
Bernard Hopkins - UD
Roy Jones Jr - k01
Joe Calzaghe - UD
James Toney - k01
Nigel Benn - k01
Chris Eubank - UD

Lennox Lewis - k01
Evander Holyfield - k01
Mike Tyson - k01
Muhammed Ali - k01
Nikolai Valuev - k01

So there you have it.

If you put Kessler into these 14 fights suggested, he would be 0 - 14.


you must be very young & stupid lol

[Amsterdam]

Come on...Kessler wouldn't beat Hagler.

It's literally a fight that can go either way.

[DanePugilist]

I don't hold greats on a pedastool, they can all be beaten and I was judging from styles and intangibles only, which is how I always pick fights to begin with.

The first 1 in Hagler is subject to argument, but I feel Hagler vastly overrated and on the end of the jab all night. The 2nd two at 168 were too small to do a damn thing.

Eubank presents intangibles that could get him a win.No, of course not - nor would I want you to hold them on a pedistool.

Well can't say that Hagler is overrated, he is my all-time fave, and he is there for a reason. His first round war with Hearns was amazing, tall, lanky and dangerous as Hearns was, Hagler crept under his arms and fired bombs. If you think that JCs inside game will be too much for Kessler then Haglers definately would be.

Same with SRL just in the speed department. Young SRL hands were faster than JCs. So if it spells trouble for Kessler then SRLs would also. He could mix it up, and alter his game plan if things didn't work.

Versus Hearns, Kessler would need to brawl with him, and we don't know how well Kessler does that.

Then again, we don't know the true power of Kessler yet - we shall see in the future - which also includes past 3rd of November.

[Marnoff]

If you want my serious opinion though on these fights against Kessler peak/peak at 168, I will give them -



Marvin Hagler - Kessler UD

Thomas Hearns - Kessler by KO

Ray Leonard - Kessler by KO

Bernard Hopkins - People won't like this, but Kessler close UD. Awful style for Hopkins.

Roy Jones Jr - Roy Jones by stoppage

Joe Calzaghe - Calzaghe by stoppage

James Toney - Kessler has a great style against Toney, but Toney would get him late. Toney by stoppage.

Nigel Benn - Kessler wide decision.

Chris Eubank - I'm torn. Eubank could get a stoppage, but Kessler could also win a brutally contested decision. He had a great style for Eubank.

Kessler is CLASS!:good

Hmm, you really feel Kessler beats a prime Hopkins? He'd have trouble getting past the Hopkins that exists today. Probably would be a standoff like Hopkins - Taylor if anything. A prime Hopkins does some vicious roughing up of Kessler and ruthless body work. Kessler doesn't have much of a chance, as I see it, with his one-two style.

[Marnoff]

A younger Hopkins, in my opinion, would beat Kessler in a clear decision. He is more versatile and Kessler's jab wouldn't be as effective as it normally is. Kessler is too predictable for Hopkins.

I think Hagler beats Kessler too

I just read your post. I definitely agree that Kessler is far too predictable for Hopkins. Hopkins will see Kessler's offense coming before Kessler thinks to throw. Kessler doesn't win this one.

Hagler, however, I can see Kessler beating him, especially since it would be above Hagler's prime weight.

[brooklyn1550]

I just read your post. I definitely agree that Kessler is far too predictable for Hopkins. Hopkins will see Kessler's offense coming before Kessler thinks to throw. Kessler doesn't win this one.

Hagler, however, I can see Kessler beating him, especially since it would be above Hagler's prime weight.

We have never seen Hagler at 168, so there is no telling how he would do, but I just have a feeling that he would be able to get inside, work the body, and rough him up a little to win a decision or maybe a late TKO - depending on Kessler's chin. Who knows...Just my 2 cents though:good

[Marnoff]

Damn I hate these mytical match-ups... Nothing but hot air and crap. How can one predict a KO-loss for Kessler, when we haven't seen his chin yet - for all we know he might have a chin of granit. How can you predict that getting in close with Kessler will make Kessler loose? - we haven't seen anyone do it - hence we have little to no idea how Kessler handles that. We have far too little knowledge about Kessler's abilities to go predict crap like the first post here. Only thing we know for sure is that if a boxer has major problems with a hard stiff jab, then he'll loose to Kessler.

In boxing it's the real world that counts - and in the real world Kessler is facing Calzaghe - now that's interesting - and here you'll answer for your "prediction" :) - predicting that Ali would beat Valuev is free of charge and f*cking irrelevant!

Why come on a forum if not to debate? To agree?

If nothing else, don't respond to mythical match-up threads.

[Marnoff]

We have never seen Hagler at 168, so there is no telling how he would do, but I just have a feeling that he would be able to get inside, work the body, and rough him up a little to win a decision or maybe a late TKO - depending on Kessler's chin. Who knows...Just my 2 cents though:good

No, I see where you're coming from. I also know we haven't seen Hagler at 168lbs, but I would imagine he would be less able to bully people and push them around at higher weights. Also, his stamina, I would guess, would also be worse. Kessler is too big for a smaller Hagler to push around, and I see Hagler eating a lot of leather in this one.

[Marnoff]

Hopkins will be at the end of Kessler's jab - getting tagged all night - wide UD for Kessler - if Kessler beats Calzaghe HBO has a four-fight contract ready for him - including a fight with Hopkins (who after the fight of course is deamed over the top by the US-media :smoke )

When has Hopkins ever sat at the end of a jab and been tagged all night long? Pathetic.

[Marnoff]

The Hopkins that just fought Wright will be a sitting duck versus Kessler - but we'll take that one when(if) it becomes relevant - for now it's just academic and even though it's called the sweet sience - it's often harder to predict than the more normal siences :rasta

We're talking about a prime Hopkins, moron. The Hopkins that fought Wright was... I believe 42? Even more pathetic.

[Marnoff]

Tagged all night? Since when as Hopkins been "tagged all night?" Kessler would have trouble establishing his jab against Hopkins.

Ah, you got to it first, it seems. I should be caught up by Page 3.

[brooklyn1550]

No, I see where you're coming from. I also know we haven't seen Hagler at 168lbs, but I would imagine he would be less able to bully people and push them around at higher weights. Also, his stamina, I would guess, would also be worse. Kessler is too big for a smaller Hagler to push around, and I see Hagler eating a lot of leather in this one.

All good points as well

[Marnoff]

Wright and Taylor both have equal or better jabs....was he at the end of them in those fight?

Kessler is too much of a routine fighter....throwing the same combos ALL too much. Hopkins has UNBELIEVABLE TIMING and accuracy. He will counter Kessler all night.

Plus, Bernard is arguably the best defensive fighter out there (you could argue Floyd, but noone else at this point), how can ANYONE say a jab would keep him at bay?

Doesnt make much sense.

Kessler is a good fighter, but he is not on Hopkins level....or Joe's for that matter.

Well said.

[Marnoff]

Kessler's jab is faster, harder and more accurate than both Taylor and Wright.

Hopkins is a great defensive fighter, but he is also lazy - Kessler's workrate alone will take him far towards a victory.

But let's leave it here - until the discussion gets some relevans. As in a actual fight is made.

Hopkins is lazy? You're one of the worst posters I've encountered.

[Amsterdam]

No, I see where you're coming from. I also know we haven't seen Hagler at 168lbs, but I would imagine he would be less able to bully people and push them around at higher weights. Also, his stamina, I would guess, would also be worse. Kessler is too big for a smaller Hagler to push around, and I see Hagler eating a lot of leather in this one.

Yes, I gave what I think would happen also, I never said Kessler was a 'dead certainty' over anybody. Hagler does seem like a pretty good target for Kessler at 168, I have seen him have struggles with lesser fighters than Kessler.

In regards to Hopkins, I feel he'd be controlled by Kessler's jab and that the pace would dictate the decision. Kessler is not just a 1-2 fighter, he's got a good style to trouble Hopkins, whom is an inside fighter at his best and lacks the speed and ferocity to control this type of of stylistic pace.

[Marnoff]

I don't hold greats on a pedastool, they can all be beaten and I was judging from styles and intangibles only, which is how I always pick fights to begin with.

The first 1 in Hagler is subject to argument, but I feel Hagler vastly overrated and on the end of the jab all night. The 2nd two at 168 were too small to do a damn thing.

I'm with you on that.

[Marnoff]

In regards to Hopkins, I feel he'd be controlled by Kessler's jab and that the pace would dictate the decision. Kessler is not just a 1-2 fighter, he's got a good style to trouble Hopkins, whom is an inside fighter at his best and lacks the speed and ferocity to control this type of of stylistic pace.

Hmm... you're talking about a prime Hopkins? I don't think Kessler can control the pace against a prime Hopkins. I would see it the other way around. Despite what most believe, I had the Hopkins - Jones matchup as a close (albeit clear) fight, so I don't see any of Kessler's speed being a worry for Hopkins.

[Amsterdam]

Hmm... you're talking about a prime Hopkins? I don't think Kessler can control the pace against a prime Hopkins. I would see it the other way around. Despite what most believe, I had the Hopkins - Jones matchup as a close (albeit clear) fight, so I don't see any of Kessler's speed being a worry for Hopkins.

And Jones is a totally different style then a guy who throws nearly 80 punches a round consistently. Don't get me wrong, you CANNOT compare anybody to a peak Jones, but different styles make different fights.

A prime Hopkins could be troubled. I mean no disrespect, but ATG's get romanticised to the point where people think that only other ATG's can defeat them. Kessler could very well be a future ATG, he surely has a nasty style for Hopkins though.

And in regards to Kessler/Hopkins now. Well, look at Taylor/Hopkins, close fight. Kessler is probably 3 steps up from Taylor technically and throws a lot more punches on a more accurate level, he's also much more powerful. Wide Kessler UD. Bernard's an old man and the Winky fight has little relevance to a Kess/Hopkins showdown right now.

[Marnoff]

And Jones is a totally different style then a guy who throws nearly 80 punches a round consistently. Don't get me wrong, you CANNOT compare anybody to a peak Jones, but different styles make different fights.

A prime Hopkins could be troubled. I mean no disrespect, but ATG's get romanticised to the point where people think that only other ATG's can defeat them. Kessler could very well be a future ATG, he surely has a nasty style for Hopkins though.

And in regards to Kessler/Hopkins now. Well, look at Taylor/Hopkins, close fight. Kessler is probably 3 steps up from Taylor technically and throws a lot more punches on a more accurate level, he's also much more powerful. Wide Kessler UD. Bernard's an old man and the Winky fight has little relevance to a Kess/Hopkins showdown right now.

I'm not romanticizing Hopkins though. I just think a prime Hopkins does some serious damage to Kessler. I think we just don't agree how their styles would match up. I don't see anyone controlling a prime Hopkins with a jab.

Kessler would definitely have a much greater chance against a Hopkins of today, as I saw definite signs of aging in his fight against Wright. Just some moves he made looked a bit lumbering.

[Marnoff]

And Jones is a totally different style then a guy who throws nearly 80 punches a round consistently. Don't get me wrong, you CANNOT compare anybody to a peak Jones, but different styles make different fights.

Aye, but it was Jones' fleetfootedness that gave him the edge against Hopkins. Notice points in the fight where Hopkins was trying to hold onto Jones physically to pin him against the ropes or anywhere he could. Jones did everything he could to break free, and wasn't there sometimes when Hopkins was moving inside. Kessler doesn't have that ability, to my eyes. Hopkins would be coming forward with his deft head movement and slipping Kessler's shots. Once on the inside, Hopkins gets his work done.

[Amsterdam]

I'm not romanticizing Hopkins though. I just think a prime Hopkins does some serious damage to Kessler. I think we just don't agree how their styles would match up. I don't see anyone controlling a prime Hopkins with a jab.

Kessler would definitely have a much greater chance against a Hopkins of today, as I saw definite signs of aging in his fight against Wright. Just some moves he made looked a bit lumbering.

Yes, Hopkins being ranked top 3 P4P just for defeating Wright at 170 is absolutely ABSURD at this point. He retired as well, officially after Tarver and decided to come back, which means that Wright/Hopkins should not have been for the LHW ring belt.

Even then, for me, Hopkins is not the true LHW champ at the moment, he beat Tarver last year and retired, only to pick up against Wright. If he wants to be a real LHW, fight a real fucking LHW who is in his prime and hungry to become the top class.

[Marnoff]

Even then, for me, Hopkins is not the true LHW champ at the moment, he beat Tarver last year and retired, only to pick up against Wright. If he wants to be a real LHW, fight a real fucking LHW who is in his prime and hungry to become the top class.

I would love to see him against Dawson. That would answer any lingering questions. Still, though, he's getting an old and I wouldn't be altogether disappointed to see him retire, just since at this age he's bound to come up short, and in a big way eventually against a lesser, prime fighter.

I am glad he and Wright fought, because I knew Hopkins could beat him even at this advanced stage. I needed it to happen so people could stop saying Wright's defense is too good for Hopkins - which I knew to be completely false.

Edit: Also, yes, if he's going to be campaigning as a Light Heavyweight, let him take on Light Heavyweight challengers.

[Astola]

Amsterdam, my young friend - you're still over-rating the simplistic style against Mikkel Kessler.

What you need to remember is that Kessler is a textbook fighter, he's superb at doing it and he has some great raw attributes which assist - such as his height for the division he's in.

The problem for him against guys that were superb boxers is that all of the guys mentioned above - SRL, Calzaghe, Hagler, RJJ, Hopkins, etc etc.. maybe with the exception of Eubank - all have textbook styles that they grew off of and added a new dimension.

Kessler is not going to KO SRL at 168 - he's not going to beat Hagler at 168 and he's certainly not going to beat Hopkins at 168.

People tend to forget why Jermain Taylor went so close to Hopkins - yes, he had a powerful jab but at the core of it? He was able to eat some of Hopkin's best right hands late in the fight, Kessler, we've seen tire later in fights, I doubt he's going to eat up the right hand as easily as Taylor did it.

Hopkins would probably KO Kessler, even now - let alone prime for prime when Hopkins was just an aggressive, hard punching, dirty fighting machine.

I have Kessler potentially beating SRL and Hearns out of that list above. I think Hagler would just be too good for him and I think Eubank would stop him late, Eubank was very underrated at finding the distance against fighters and landing the one killer shot.

Benn? Kessler can't handle Benn, thats just going to be a beating.

When Kessler is exposed as having no secondary ability outside of a firm grasp of the fundamentals - people will stop rating him against ATG's - ATG's are usually guys who had the fundamentals set but like Calzaghe, have a bit of flair that sets them apart.

What sets Kessler apart so far in my view? Height and lack of real challenging opposition thus far.


Just trying too get some air out of your argumentation about the textbook style as being secondary to other styles....

Lennox Lewis was pretty textbook.
Wlad & Vitaly are both pretty textbook.
Larry Holmes was textbook.
ODLH is textbook.
ETC.

Why did these guys have a boxing career at all? Based on your argumentation they wouldnt stand a chance against an awkward fighter.:huh


Textbook fighters are just as good as awkward fighters(fighters that have grown bigger than textbook:nut ) - it all comes down too other things such as versatility, intelligence, stamina, footwork, strenght, chin etc.

[DanePugilist]

What you need to remember is that Kessler is a textbook fighter, he's superb at doing it and he has some great raw attributes which assist - such as his height for the division he's in.This is the best thing you have ever written concerning Kessler. You are definately getting better. March on....

[Astola]

Lennox Lewis carried height into almost every single fight he ever went into - he also had superb power that was proven against some of the hardest chins

Vitali and Wlad work off of a text book platform, both have savage hooks and power in both hands.

ODLH textbook? Lead left hook that's his strongest punch? Converted southpaw fighter? Sure, he had a nice snapping jab, but he was for the most part of his career a one handed fighter who did most of the damage with a powerful left.

Larry Holmes had a great jab, good size, good power and for his weightclass, good feetwork and relatively good handspeed

Like I say, each of these fighters developed something beyond their "textbook" style that set them apart.

For Lewis, his height, power and overhand right
For Wlad Klitschko, his height, power in both hands and hooking
For ODLH, his powerful left hook, crisp jab and handspeed (in lower weight classes)

Kessler doesn't have that additional THING - he does have height against most at 168 but he won't have it against Calzaghe.

He has average to above average power, it's not sensational, he's not a one puncher finisher and he's failed to finish quite a few of the "better competition" he's fought since stepping up from the first 34 bums.

His right hand is telegraphed, it works well when added up behind a double jab, but that's just textbook - most people train and train that.

I may be proven wrong, Kessler may have something I haven't seen - but in all available clips, the rare occassion he throws the hook, he leaves himself wide open, the rare occassion he throws the lead right, most of the time against Beyer it was so easily seen and countered - how Beyer managed to get caught with it and stopped is beyond me, just shows how shot Beyer is, against Andrade? Well, Andrade was just a punching bag, I could've hit him with my lead right.


I thought that style was king?

Ill rest my case. Point proven.

Kessler has a killer jab, the best 1-2 in the game, good pop in either hand and a solid left hook. Also - noone has been able to catch Kessler even if hes as pisspoor defensively as you claim.

Besides that, he is a very intelligent fighter with good quality written all over him.

[jammerdk]

I thought that style was king?

Ill rest my case. Point proven.

Kessler has a killer jab, the best 1-2 in the game, good pop in either hand and a solid left hook. Also - noone has been able to catch Kessler even if hes as pisspoor defensively as you claim.

Besides that he is a very intelligent fighter with good quality written all over him.:good

[Snorkel]

I think Benn - Kessler would be the most interesting one.

Kessler, like Lewis, doesn't seem to like getting hit for whatever reason so fights a measured, cautious kind of fight. Benn is the complete opposite to this getting straight into his opponents face and throwing bombs non stop.

If Kessler can do what he did against Andrade then he'll be ok, but Benn is better than Andrade in every respect except chin so can he do it?

My take on it would be Kessler boxing clever and winning the early rounds with his jab alone before Benn eventually catches up with him and lands his bombs. Kessler's not an inside fighter, nor has he shown he can tie his opponent up so I think once Benn gets close there's only going to be one winner. Kessler UD/TKO late is distinctly possible too though.

[Astola]

I think Benn - Kessler would be the most interesting one.

Kessler, like Lewis, doesn't seem to like getting hit for whatever reason so fights a measured, cautious kind of fight. Benn is the complete opposite to this getting straight into his opponents face and throwing bombs non stop.

If Kessler can do what he did against Andrade then he'll be ok, but Benn is better than Andrade in every respect except chin so can he do it?

My take on it would be Kessler boxing clever and winning the early rounds with his jab alone before Benn eventually catches up with him and lands his bombs. Kessler's not an inside fighter, nor has he shown he can tie his opponent up so I think once Benn gets close there's only going to be one winner. Kessler UD/TKO late is distinctly possible too though.

It hurts like hell you know...

:D

[Snorkel]

It hurts like hell you know...

:D

:D

You know what I mean!

[PH|LLA]

Lets see how Mikkel stands up to these current and future Hall of famers:

Mikkel Kessler vs

Marvin Hagler - k01
Tommy Hearns - k01
Sugar Ray Leonard - UD
Bernard Hopkins - UD
Roy Jones Jr - k01
Joe Calzaghe - UD
James Toney - k01
Nigel Benn - k01
Chris Eubank - UD

Lennox Lewis - k01
Evander Holyfield - k01
Mike Tyson - k01
Muhammed Ali - k01
Nikolai Valuev - k01

So there you have it.

If you put Kessler into these 14 fights suggested, he would be 0 - 14.

what kind of retard puts in Valuev as a future HOF'er?

[Korn_06]

what kind of retard puts in Valuev as a future HOF'er?

When talking about retarded, I wonder why you had to read that far to find it.

[cuchulain]

If you want my serious opinion though on these fights against Kessler peak/peak at 168, I will give them -



Marvin Hagler - Kessler UD

Thomas Hearns - Kessler by KO

Ray Leonard - Kessler by KO

Bernard Hopkins - People won't like this, but Kessler close UD. Awful style for Hopkins.

Roy Jones Jr - Roy Jones by stoppage

Joe Calzaghe - Calzaghe by stoppage

James Toney - Kessler has a great style against Toney, but Toney would get him late. Toney by stoppage.

Nigel Benn - Kessler wide decision.

Chris Eubank - I'm torn. Eubank could get a stoppage, but Kessler could also win a brutally contested decision. He had a great style for Eubank.

Kessler is CLASS!:good

Spot on !

100% correct (assuming you agree that he PROBABLY loses to Eubank)

[Axe]

My picks at 168 lbs:

Marvin Hagler - L KO 12

Marvin comes on late and gets the come-from-behind stoppage win. Mentally, none were as strong as Hagler.

Tommy Hearns - L UD 12

Hearns was pure class, his power was felt as high as 175 lbs, and he was an all-round better boxer than Kessler. Let's not forget how he won a close decision against fellow HOFer Virgil Hill at 175 lbs, Hill being an orthodox fighter very similar to Kessler with far better foot movement and a superior jab.

Sugar Ray Leonard - W UD 12

Kessler simply too large for SRL, a natural welterweight.

Bernard Hopkins - L SD 12

I disagree with Amsterdam, Hopkins knows Kessler's style well, he was able to track conventional boxers down rather easily and bring the pain, see the Keith Holmes fight, where an older BHop does his thing.

Roy Jones Jr - L TKO 5

Prime RJJ does whatever he wants to Kessler and gets the TKO stoppage as the ref can watch no more.

Joe Calzaghe - L SD 12

Kessler's right gives Joe trouble but on neutral ground Calzaghe's speed and southpaw stance earn him a close decision.

James Toney - L KO 10

Toney simply too good for Kessler. With his amazing chin he would be unfazed even when Mikkel would land clean, which would be rare against the defensive master. Kessler attempts some of his power combos while James is on the ropes in the later rounds...not a good idea. Brutal finish here.

Nigel Benn - W TKO 11

Benn was always troubled by a good jab, it's how his first loss as a pro was set up. He has the chance to catch Kessler at any point in the fight, but Mikkel has solid defence and would avoid Benn's looping bombs. Kessler stays on the outside and wins on swelling/cuts while leading on the cards.

Chris Eubank - L SD 12

Eubank was a class above Kessler in terms of boxing skill. Early he would get the better of Kessler, and the Dane would probably hit the canvas. Eubank's biggest weakness was his stamina though, which would allow Kessler back into the fight in the championship rounds, but it would be too little too late.

I got Mikkel at 2-7 after these nine fights.

[Thread Stealer]

Leonard and Hearns weren't all that good at 168.

There wasn't a SMW division when Hagler fought (maybe at the very end), and he made 160 during the same day weigh-ins and would be smaller.

Kessler would have decent chances against all 3 of these greats.

[Thread Stealer]

Hagler has the pressure, but just lacks the speed and he struggled with lesser fighters than Kessler at times. My prediction is not out of the question. Greats are sometimes held on a pedastool, Kessler could very well later become an ATG..

Hagler was not slow, especially in his younger days. He was versatile, tough, and skilled, but a question in how he handles the size disadvantage. Kessler is a super middleweight under today's rules, with different weigh-in procedures.

Guys can overcome the size disadvantage through skills, talent, and style, but there's a point where the size is too much. Kessler is no bum, he's got skills and abilities himself.

[BITCH ASS]

I thought that style was king?

Ill rest my case. Point proven.

Kessler has a killer jab, the best 1-2 in the game, good pop in either hand and a solid left hook. Also - noone has been able to catch Kessler even if hes as pisspoor defensively as you claim.

Besides that, he is a very intelligent fighter with good quality written all over him.

The best 1-2 in the game?

Don't think so.

Wlad has the best 1-2 in the game. Shit Pavlik's 1-2 is better than Kesslers.

[Alo2006]

CHina I think he meant it the other way around, that Lennox would KO him in 1 round:yep

The wheels on the bus goes round and round...round and round :rofl

[Astola]

The best 1-2 in the game?

Don't think so.

Wlad has the best 1-2 in the game. Shit Pavlik's 1-2 is better than Kesslers.


Well I wont be a pussy and say that its fact that Kessler has the best one. But its up there in the top 5 or so. I rate his 1-2 higher than Pavlik's...

[Astola]

Kessler's one-two is quite good against a fighter who sits in the pocket, because Kessler lacks in lateral movement, he's not finding angles with which to slip the jab and then have an overhand right coming through the top.

Have a look at the difference between Kessler's one-two combination and Lennox Lewis' combination - Lewis wasn't that great with his feet work, but he still pivoted to the side, pushed the jab to hurry the defense and then came over the top from a different angle with his right hand.

Kessler doesn't do that - as such, as quick and tight as he makes his one-two, it's not going to impact guys who know how to deal with the jab.


Have too agree with this when comparing to LL.

MK can throw an overhand right though - but its not anywhere close to LL.

[Astola]

Kessler used his overhand right against Andrade quite a few times, the reason I wasn't impressed by it was two fold..

He wasn't catching Andrade flush, despite Andrade having minimal defense and no head movement, most of his shots seemed hurried and untimed, that is largely because he struggles with throwing from angles.

Also... with as much opportunity as he had, he wasn't landing those overhand rights where he should land them - Lennox landed them on the side of the jaw, pushing down - Kessler was landing them higher, on the cheekbone or some occassions the head.

Kessler's right has to be a factor in the Calzaghe fight because his left is going to be so negated by what Calzaghe does - do you believe with his right hand alone, without the jab to set it up, that it is going to be a winning punch?

That's what it comes down to, for me..

How good is Kessler's right hand - my wager is it isn't good enough through the evidence I've seen.

Well, this is simply not true. I have just seen the entire fight once again. MK hits Andrade FLUSH on the chin six times in the fight...with the overhand right alone!


And yes - I beleive that Kessler's right will be a major factor in this fight, but I still disagree that Kessler's jab will be non existant. Left hook, jab, overhand right are key punches for Kessler.

The left hook because Joe wont be expecting it at all.

This fight is going to be very different to the Lacy fight.

[Astola]

You don't throw a left hook against a left hooker who has faster handspeed..

It's just a thing you don't do - almost like trying to formulate a strategy beating a southpaw with the jab... another thing you don't do.


Joe isnt flash gordon and Kessler is no turtle.

We simply dont agree on how the fight will progress...

And I strongly disagree with your argument that there are some things you just dont do. You do whatever necessary to win.

If this includes preparing to the other fighters gameplan - then you certainly do so.

Styles makes fights - but as we concluded earlier there are more to styles than just the stance.

[Astola]

Joe IS Flash Gordon - at the moment, you would have to say with Mosely and Mayweather dropping back to 147, he has the fastest hands from 154 up.

Kessler isn't a power puncher, he throws snapping jabs and the occassional power right, so his punching speed is decent but his footwork, triggering and combination punching is near non existent when compared to Calzaghe.

Why do you think Southpaws have been feared for such a long time? Because they do things wrong and change up the fight - textbook fighters have ALWAYS struggled against Southpaw fighters for this very fact.

I hope Kessler does attempt to left hook Calzaghe, this fight will be over in 2 if he tries it.

Answer these five questions

1. Does Kessler have better combinations than Calzaghe?
2. Is Kessler a better inside fighter than Calzaghe?
3. Does Kessler have the variation of angles that Calzaghe has?
4. Does Kessler possess the same level of footwork as Calzaghe has?
5. Has Kessler had experience against anyone similar to Calzaghe before?

The answers are easy.
No
No
No
No
No


But dude - youre a journalist. U should always check the quality of your questions - You have to see it from both sides in order to be respected.

I can ask you 5 and more spun questions as well. Not my style.

All I know is that this fight is close. Both are extremely good at what they do, and Calzaghe will face a fighter who is better than he is - on the oustide! If Kessler can keep Joe on the outside it will be close.

This makes the fight as different as can be, compared to the Lacy fight.

[Astola]

OK... the reason those questions ARE quality.

Kessler doesn't have the footwork, nor angles of Calzaghe - therefore, how is he going to keep Calzaghe away from the inside?

Kessler doesn't have better combinations or inside game against Calzaghe, therefore, how is he going to compete against Calzaghe when he gets there?

If Calzaghe has the faster hands, faster feet, better angles and better punching arsenal - why do you think he won't make it to the inside?

The fight itself is different to the Lacy fight - the situation the fight has come from is not that different at all - young, new champion going against the older dog who due to lack of big names, has always had a question mark hanging over his head.

5 more questions

First of all, Kessler is intelligent and come fightnight he will have a good gameplan.

Second. Kessler is one of the fighters in my time who has impressed the most regarding judging distance. Its truly insane too watch and one of the reasons he hasnt lost more than app. 10 rounds in his career.

Third. Kessler is extremely accurate. His punches will hit the chin. Nothin remotely wild about Kessler.

Fourth. Kessler is bringing the same height into the ring as Joe.
Joe wont be able to dominate with his height/reach advantage.

Fifth. Kessler is the strongest fighter Joe has ever faced. While Joe is insane on the inside, you have too admit that hes fighting very dirty in there, grabbing people by the neck is a solid example. My bet is that he wont be able to do this against Kessler, because Kessler will move and push himself out of there....

I can just as easily as your predictions see Kessler catch Joe on the distance (while Joe is trying to get in to setup something.)

[Astola]

1. Has Calzaghe faced a guy with similar style to Kessler?
2. Is Kessler good enough to keep Calzaghe away from the inside?
3. Can Kessler hope to land consistently with his jab throughout the fight?
4. Is Kessler capable of sustaining the workrate that Calzaghe can sustain?
5. Can Kessler knock Calzaghe out with one shot?


Oh Jesus. You continue the spin dude.

#1, #2 and #4 are allright questions though, so Ill answer these.

#1. Yes he has faced an orthodox fighter before, although I doubt he has face an ambidextrous, orthodox fighter before with the height, reach and strenghts of Kessler.
But stylewise from a stance point of view. Yes. Considering Kesslers style. No.

#2. Yes I believe he might be just the one to defeat Joe.

#4. Yes I believe so and here is why. Kessler will be hitting Joe more frequently and cleanly than any other opponent ever did. This is one of the reasons. Another one is that MK has very good workrate and stamina. Kessler might need a break in the 9th round but otherwise they are pretty close. Watch 11/12 of the Andrade fight (and dont say Andrade was pure shit.).

[Astola]

Lacy, Eubank, Bika, Mitchell were all probably "stronger" than Kessler. Lacy and Eubank especially

I think you're over-rating Kessler, not by a wee bit, but by a lot.

You all but admit his style is wrong for Calzaghe, you expect he will be able to throw left hooks which is a mistake but you won't admit that Calzaghe should win this one, pretty easily?

Mitchel lis the only one i would say is stronger than Kessler. A prime Eubank is as well. But not the one Joe faced. Bika is not near Kessler strenghtwise. Bika is just dirty.

Im bringing up the left hook as the perfect example on how I think Kessler will go into this fight; Stay outside as if your life was at stake - and throw combinations whenever you have the chance. This includes the left hook...

[DanePugilist]

When talking about retarded, I wonder why you had to read that far to find it.:lol: :lol: :lol: Spot on.

[DanePugilist]

Blocky, as I see it you are overrating every aspect of Joe's assets.

1) South paw stance. While its true that it more difficult facing south paws than not, these are not amateurs. They have trained and faced many such fighter in both amateurs and to some extent in pros.

2) Speed. While JC does have fast feet and hands, they are not out of this world, nor so much faster than Kesslers. As seen from evidence, JC carries very little power in his hands, and needs accumulation to make an impact. This will go well versus much slower opponents, and people willing to trade with him.

What JC does have that would bring more problems for Kessler is his all angled attacks that has incredible precision, and it is difficult for anyone to defend against.

[Astola]

Counter points

#1 - Mario Veit, 6'4, stiff jabber with tremendous reach advantages over Kessler, beat Brahmer who was touted as a very good opponent before their fight

#2 - What will Kessler use to keep Joe from the outside? If you say Jab or Left hook, I lose respect immediately.

#4 - What makes you think Kessler is going to have the same ability to land clean on Calzaghe - can you name a single fighter that Kessler has faced that has good head movement as well as capable footwork?

Andrade was shit, sorry mate - but watch the fight, a guy that never changes his gameplan? Andrade looked as shitty as David Tua did against Lennox Lewis.


#1. U dont prove any point at all comparing Veit to Kessler. Its like comparing Calzaghe to Soliman.

#2. Well go ahead and loose your respect. The jab will work as distraction because its as good/precise as it is. But he will clearly use his right alot on the night. I sum up to "combos" because it will be all sorts of punches from the outside.

#4. I cant name a fighter Kessler has faced with the same qualities as Joe. So no. But I can say that if Joe got hit by other poorer opponents he will be hit more by Kessler.

Andrade kept coming for full 12 rounds. You NEED very good workrate to constantly land combinations on the titanium head untill the final bell.

[DanePugilist]

#1. U dont prove any point at all comparing Veit to Kessler. Its like comparing Calzaghe to Soliman.

#2. Well go ahead and loose your respect. The jab will work as distraction because its as good/precise as it is. But he will clearly use his right alot on the night. I sum up to "combos" because it will be all sorts of punches from the outside.

#4. I cant name a fighter Kessler has faced with the same qualities as Joe. So no. But I can say that if Joe got hit by other poorer opponents he will be hit more by Kessler.

Andrade kept coming for full 12 rounds. You NEED very good workrate to constantly land combinations on the titanium head untill the final bell.Nuff said really.

[DanePugilist]

I really can't be arsed with you.

If Joe has little power, what does Kessler have? Joe has 21 title fights against opponents that although were not all world class, were at least Top 15 opponents of the day - he has practically the same stoppage percentage as Kessler does - whats more, his fights get stopped on average in earlier rounds than Kesslers.

What are you basing your idiocy off?? The fact that Calzaghe LOOKS like his punches don't hurt? Ask Lacy if he feels Calzaghe has no power.I am somewhat glad you can't be arsed with me, because your reading comprehension is similar to a cock-eyed rhino.

[DanePugilist]

you forgot.. a cock-eyed rhino, with chisselled shoulders and wide jaw:deal:lol: . Don't forget the vast evidence of Kesslers skills coming from clips, and Calzaghes skills through eyes of distortion.

[DanePugilist]

oh yes.. but the thought occured to me, that while im humping my miss´es, my fantasy shots down, the cold hard and real facts.. everything just seems so much better:yep

can we really, as responsible and intelligent danes, dismiss the fact, that while blocky is humping the joe, his fantasy shots down, the cold hard and real facts ??..:deal:lol: :lol: - That must be it. I guess that JC doesn't whisper the truth into Blockys ears: "Kessler is a class act, and I have to be at my very best to beat him".

[Korn_06]

oh yes.. but the thought occured to me, that while im humping my miss´es, my fantasy shots down, the cold hard and real facts.. everything just seems so much better:yep

can we really, as responsible and intelligent danes, dismiss the fact, that while blocky is humping the joe, his fantasy shots down, the cold hard and real facts ??..:deal

:lol: :lol: :lol: Post of the year!:deal

[Dantes]

Lets see how Mikkel stands up to these current and future Hall of famers:

Mikkel Kessler vs

Marvin Hagler - k01
Tommy Hearns - k01
Sugar Ray Leonard - UD
Bernard Hopkins - UD
Roy Jones Jr - k01
Joe Calzaghe - UD
James Toney - k01
Nigel Benn - k01
Chris Eubank - UD

Lennox Lewis - k01
Evander Holyfield - k01
Mike Tyson - k01
Muhammed Ali - k01
Nikolai Valuev - k01

So there you have it.

If you put Kessler into these 14 fights suggested, he would be 0 - 14.

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