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JonOli
05-04-2009, 06:23 PM
Hopkins-Froch on the cards
Golden Boy chief executive Richard Schaefer says that Bernard Hopkins is interested in relieving Carl Froch of his WBC super-middleweight title.
Hopkins, who recovered from losing his light-heavyweight Ring crown to the now-retired Joe Calzaghe just over a year ago by beating Kelly Pavlik on points, is keen on Froch’s crown. And Schaefer says that London could be the venue for a bout that ‘The Cobra’ is also eager to get involved in.
"Hopkins is interested in fighting Froch,” Schaefer was quoted as saying by The Sun.
"We've spoken to Froch's promoter Mick Hennessy and they are interested. They only want big fights now and Hopkins is a big fight.
"Hopkins told me he would do it at super-middleweight so I'm going to try to make it.
"We could possibly do it at the O2 Arena in London - it would be big."
Froch, 31, downed Jermain Taylor last month and with no chance of a fight against Calzaghe, a clash with Hopkins could be the next logical move.
He said on the possibility: "Would I consider fighting a guy like that? Yeah, I would look at that.
"If he's talking about it, we would definitely look at it if it could be done.
"He's very experienced and he's very big and strong - but it's something I would be keen to do."
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Primadonna Kool
05-04-2009, 06:25 PM
Hopkins..Hopkins..!
Damn Hopkins picks his fights well. Can't blame him at his age. It's still a remarkable achievement after all to be fighting at this level, but a guy like Froch is not a threat.
toffeejack
05-04-2009, 06:28 PM
Please let this happen.
Seeing Carl Froch get a boxing lesson and get completely embarrassed over 12 rounds would be too good to miss.
BremnerBomber
05-04-2009, 06:30 PM
I know B-Hop will probably win..... But you never know, and it would be fantastic to see Carl fight B-Hop.
Although it is pretty high risk for Froch... If he wins he has beaten a 44 year old man... and if he loses he has lost to a 44 year old man
And I would love to see an ATG in the flesh if it is held in the U.K
GalangK
05-04-2009, 06:30 PM
Why is Froch even considering this when he can get fights with guys like Bute? Hopkins will make anyone he fights look ugly win or lose.
I know B-Hop will probably win..... But you never know, and it would be fantastic to see Carl fight B-Hop.
Although it is pretty high risk for Froch... If he wins he has beaten a 44 year old man... and if he loses he has lost to a 44 year old man
And I would love to see an ATG in the flesh if it is held in the U.K
Yep. Sadly a lot of people won't realise how great of a win this would be for Froch. People still don't recognise it for Calzaghe, so how is Froch going to get credit for beating him at this point?
It's a no win situation for Froch, but he'll probably see it as a way to get Calzaghe in the ring once more.
kosaros
05-04-2009, 06:38 PM
Froch's hope:
1. Hopkins finally starts showing his age.
2. Hopkins is weight drained from making super-middleweight.
Both unlikely
If he's still going strong at 44 what hope is there of another few months making a difference :lol:
He made 170lbs against Pavlik. Another 2lbs for a dedicated guy like Hopkins that is never more than 5lbs over the weight? ;)
Poor Carl.
kosaros
05-04-2009, 06:52 PM
Both unlikely
If he's still going strong at 44 what hope is there of another few months making a difference :lol:
He made 170lbs against Pavlik. Another 2lbs for a dedicated guy like Hopkins that is never more than 5lbs over the weight? ;)
Poor Carl.
I know, but I was just trying to find some sort of hope for Carl because I like him :yep
ninebar
05-04-2009, 06:56 PM
There on different networks in the States.
Hopkins is HBO and Showtime have options on Froch's next fight so Froch may have to fight somebody else first.
Yep. Sadly a lot of people won't realise how great of a win this would be for Froch. People still don't recognise it for Calzaghe, so how is Froch going to get credit for beating him at this point?
Most people with a knowledge of boxing thought B Hop beat Calzaghe...
BremnerBomber
05-04-2009, 07:11 PM
But will Froch take another smaller cut just after putting it all on the line for $500-700k to fight Taylor.
Hopkins will be looking for excess of a Million
P4PNo.1
05-04-2009, 07:31 PM
Carl's only chance would be that Hopkins age suddenly catchs up with him.
GazOC
05-04-2009, 07:46 PM
You can see based on the Hopkins-Pavlik and Froch-Pascal/ Taylor fights why Hops would really fancy his chances.
Carnage
05-04-2009, 07:51 PM
Come on The Cobra!
JonOli
05-04-2009, 08:13 PM
I was wondering why Bernard would be so keen to get down to 168. Hopkins has never won a belt at Super Middle has he? Perhaps he sees it as a pretty winnable fight for him, along with whatever Froch now brings to the table in terms of venue etc... I remember him saying one of the reasons he wanted to go to Cruiser was for the multi weight accolade. Just an idear...
Farmboxer
05-05-2009, 12:49 AM
Let's get it on.
Kid Lucky
05-05-2009, 02:23 AM
Taking this fight for the Cobra depends entirely on Froch's teams ability to get another big fight that is more winnable for slighly less money.
At his age, even without miles on the clock 'easy' WBU or Zsolt Erdei type defences are not what's called for so I wouldn't be suprised to see this fight made.
Couldn't see any other outcome than a Hopkins win though. That wouldn't be a disgrace, Pavlik isn't being talked about as the next big thing after his schooling but his career isn't over because he was handed one loss by an ATG.
And if he won......
Bodysnatcher
05-05-2009, 03:05 AM
Carl would be an idiot to take this fight.
He probably gets made to look as bad as Pavlik was, even worse, but if he wins, it'll be "oh B-Hop was ancient, who cares?"
However I think Froch might come around to that eventually and focus on other options.
Anyway, B-Hop will likely sniff at the financial rewards and walk long before Froch does.
Most people with a knowledge of boxing thought B Hop beat Calzaghe...
So only 25% of this forum have a knowledge of boxing?
Hehe...people are bitter.
El Cepillo
05-05-2009, 05:23 AM
Career suicide for Froch.
janitor
05-05-2009, 05:35 AM
If Froch is smart he will take a fight that offers higher rewards and less of a stylistic nightmare.
He dodged a bullet against Taylor and should pick his next fight carefully.
David UK
05-05-2009, 06:10 AM
Why is Froch even considering this when he can get fights with guys like Bute? Hopkins will make anyone he fights look ugly win or lose.
I agree. Hopkins is a bad fight for anyone. Carl should target Bute,Abraham or Kessler, and if he does fight Hopkins is has to be at 168
David UK
05-05-2009, 06:12 AM
Taking this fight for the Cobra depends entirely on Froch's teams ability to get another big fight that is more winnable for slighly less money.
At his age, even without miles on the clock 'easy' WBU or Zsolt Erdei type defences are not what's called for so I wouldn't be suprised to see this fight made.
Couldn't see any other outcome than a Hopkins win though. That wouldn't be a disgrace, Pavlik isn't being talked about as the next big thing after his schooling but his career isn't over because he was handed one loss by an ATG.
And if he won......
If he won, people would say that Hopkins grew old overnight or that Hopkins really won, like they did when Calzaghe outpointed him. It's a no win fight for Froch in my opinion
achillesthegreat
05-05-2009, 07:44 AM
It isn't a good fight for Froch. Froch fights like Hopkins but Hopkins is actually very good at it and doesn't rely on strength, power and durability.
rhinocoote
05-05-2009, 07:57 AM
Career suicide for Froch.
i wouldn't be too sure about career suicide for froch,,surely his biggest payday wouldn't be suicidal?
then again ,keeping your hands that low is already suicidal?
or so i thought,,
Don't Damn Me
05-05-2009, 02:50 PM
Eventually, B-Hop will get old, have one fight too many, and someone will retire him.
I'm not saying that man is Froch, but someone is going to be in the right place at the right time eventually.
It's not a terrible fight to take, the money would be great, and no-one will really care if he gets his ears boxed off by an ATG. And you never know, he might just luck out.
There on different networks in the States.
Hopkins is HBO and Showtime have options on Froch's next fight so Froch may have to fight somebody else first.
spot on. the WBC also said the winner of the vacant belt would have to then make 2 mandatory defenses, so Froch will be in against the winner of Ward-Miranda next. after that maybe they could do it.
TheUzi
05-05-2009, 03:35 PM
If Froch somehow beat Hopkins,I dont think anyone could discredit the victory.
JC's win was but after Hopkins schooled Pavlik,people realised how big a win it actually was.
Is Froch a big enough name at the mo to sell out the O2???
I wouldn't think so.
I have to give Foch his dues.....as a Calzaghe fan,I really disliked him but if he stops calling out Joe and carries on in the manner he is,well,fair play to him-he deserves Britains backing.
draw99
05-05-2009, 04:09 PM
Is Froch a big enough name at the mo to sell out the O2???
I dont think Froch would have too many probs selling out the 02 against Hopkins. Frochs last two fights have been classics - you know you would good value out of him.
And Hopkins would be a fairly big draw as hes reasonably well known in the UK by virtue of the Calzaghe fight.
The only thing counting against filling up the 02 would be stupid ticket prices (eg Haye Barrett wher they had to offer two for ones at the end as they had hadnt sold well due to extortionate prices)
Cobbler
05-05-2009, 04:25 PM
The only thing counting against filling up the 02 would be stupid ticket prices (eg Haye Barrett wher they had to offer two for ones at the end as they had hadnt sold well due to extortionate prices)
That and, as people found out after Haye v Maccarinelli, the place is a bloody nightmare to get away from at 2am which would presumably be the kind of time window a Froch v Hopkins fight would take place in.
cityofgod
05-05-2009, 04:39 PM
pav was terrible against hopkins.... he was rumoured to be ill and jumping up in weight.
Hopkins did beat joe though. He never even had a cut lip at the presser after.
DDA365
05-05-2009, 04:47 PM
I dont think this would be a good idea for froch
I dont agree with those who say he gets no credit if he wins, because if he wins its likely in all reality gonna be from tiring b-hop out and KO'ing him. Knocking out bernard hopkins would be huge and Froch would be the man that finally put him away.
I dont think itd be a good fight for froch because I think theres hardly any chance of that happening, itd be Hopkins Vs Pavlik again but worse.
John18
05-05-2009, 04:50 PM
pav was terrible against hopkins.... he was rumoured to be ill and jumping up in weight.
Hopkins did beat joe though. He never even had a cut lip at the presser after.
Hatton drew with Pacman as well. After all there wasn't a mark on either of them.
:patsch
Grievesy
05-05-2009, 04:53 PM
I really can't see Froch winning this should it be made. Hopkins would out-box him in a similar fashion to what he did to Pavlik.
However I do think that Froch would get the credit should he somehow pull it out of the bag. It would be a great win for him. Sadly can't see it happening. He would probably be better off going for Bute or Andrade. Bit more winnable.
Hopkins said“Froch is a tough fighter, can take a punch and he has balls. It would be a hell of a fight and he got recognition for the way he knocked Taylor out. He deserves it. What better commercial can you get than by fighting me? He introduced himself by beating Taylor and he can seal the deal by becoming a superstar if he fights me,”
He REALLY fancies this one.....
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