Are fight fans completely stupid?

[Addie]

These past weeks after the Barrera vs Pacman 2 fight was confirmed, the general consenus is that Barrera will get blown away. In fact, nobody seems to give Barrera a chance in hell, despite history telling us that in the fight game, anything is possible.

Muhammad Ali shocked everybody twice during his career, Pac Man shocked us all with his domination over Barrera, and a lot of people felt Naz would be too much for the baby faced assassin. They were wrong. The list goes on and on; The G man lost to Benn (regardless of the circumstances) and most people didn't expect it to happen. It happened.

I think it's fair to say that anybody who claims to know even the slightest bit about Boxing, will have to admit to the fact that Barrera has a chance. Anything can happen in Boxing.

Just had to get that off my chest. ;)

[brooklyn1550]

Yes, I have been saying that Barrera has a real chance. With everything considered, you've got to give him a chance. I don't agree with people who say there is no way Pac will lose this fight.

[Thread Stealer]

To answer your question, yes. The majority of fight fans, or at least boxing fans who frequent this board as well as b-scene, are stupid, and also whiners.

[tragicliston]

OK, fine, but history also tells us that when fighter A gets blown away by fighter B, engages in several more tough ring wars, and years later, near the end of his career decides to take on the same fighter who gave him arguagbly the worst beating of his life, his chances are slim.

[andyZOR]

To answer your question, yes. The majority of fight fans, or at least boxing fans who frequent this board as well as b-scene, are stupid, and also whiners.

Indeed.

[El Bombasto]

sure barrera has a chance, but anyone who knows "the slightest bit about boxing" would expect him to get stopped again.

[hopkinsfan07]

Pacmans totally off his game he thinks its gonna be easy and a friend of mine who is a member of press has been saying that pacman aint training well and roach is getting pissed off

mab UD

[Addie]

OK, fine, but history also tells us that when fighter A gets blown away by fighter B, engages in several more tough ring wars, and years later, near the end of his career decides to take on the same fighter who gave him arguagbly the worst beating of his life, his chances are slim.

But we aren't talking about any fighter, we're talking about Marco Antonio Barrera, who has continued to prove his critics wrong. The guy has done it on countless occassions, so for some fans to say the Barrera has no chance in hell seems ridiclious to me.

The sad thing is, if Marco does beat Pac Man, he won't get any credit. Blame will be placed on Pac man not being focused or something ridiclious regarding his socks.

[tragicliston]

But we aren't talking about any fighter, we're talking about Marco Antonio Barrera, who has continued to prove his critics wrong. The guy has done it on countless occassions, so for some fans to say the Barrera has no chance in hell seems ridiclious to me.

The sad thing is, if Marco does beat Pac Man, he won't get any credit. Blame will be placed on Pac man not being focused or something ridiclious regarding his socks.

I'm not going to say he has no chance-of course he a chance, he's a proven great fighter. But do I think he'll win? Based on the first fight, his age & ring wear, no. I'd say chances are the fight will look like the first fight, only worse for Marco. I'd love to see MAB prove everybody wrong, but the odds are clearly in Pacman's favor.

[Marnoff]

These past weeks after the Barrera vs Pacman 2 fight was confirmed, the general consenus is that Barrera will get blown away. In fact, nobody seems to give Barrera a chance in hell, despite history telling us that in the fight game, anything is possible.

Muhammad Ali shocked everybody twice during his career, Pac Man shocked us all with his domination over Barrera, and a lot of people felt Naz would be too much for the baby faced assassin. They were wrong. The list goes on and on; The G man lost to Benn (regardless of the circumstances) and most people didn't expect it to happen. It happened.

I think it's fair to say that anybody who claims to know even the slightest bit about Boxing, will have to admit to the fact that Barrera has a chance. Anything can happen in Boxing.

Just had to get that off my chest. ;)

A history lesson, nice. I have one for you. Foreman vs. Frazier I, then when they fought again and Frazier was older and picked a new game plan. He lasted a few more rounds before getting decimated.

I'm not making a pick on Barrera - Pacquaio, but I'm showing you how arbitrary your example is.

[Marnoff]

But we aren't talking about any fighter, we're talking about Marco Antonio Barrera, who has continued to prove his critics wrong. The guy has done it on countless occassions, so for some fans to say the Barrera has no chance in hell seems ridiclious to me.

The sad thing is, if Marco does beat Pac Man, he won't get any credit. Blame will be placed on Pac man not being focused or something ridiclious regarding his socks.

For the first part. No, Frazier isn't "just any fighter" either.

For the second, why in hell would he get no credit? Obviously he would. Dry your tears please, the fight hasn't even happened yet.

[Lampley]

I've seen plenty of people giving MAB a chance (myself included), especially with Pac's recent distractions. Pac is due for a stoppage defeat; whether MAB can be the one to provide it is to be determined.

And I don't think fight fans are any more or less stupid than all other people.

[Addie]

A history lesson, nice. I have one for you. Foreman vs. Frazier I, then when they fought against and Frazier was older and picked a new game plan. He lasted a few more rounds before getting decimated.

I'm not making a pick on Barrera - Pacquaio, but I'm showing you how arbitrary your example is.

Don't know why arbitrary means.

I wasn't criticising people for picking against Barrera, I was criticising those who refused to believe there was any chance at all that Barrera could win.

What's arbirtrary mean?

[Addie]

For the first part. No, Frazier isn't "just any fighter" either.

For the second, why in hell would he get no credit? Obviously he would. Dry your tears please, the fight hasn't even happened yet.

My tears have been dried.

Thanks for the advice. :good

[Lampley]

I wasn't criticising people for picking against Barrera, I was criticising those who refused to believe there was any chance at all that Barrera could win.



I understand what you're saying, but I don't think many people are saying MAB has no chance at all. Technically, Davey Moore would have had a chance against Duran in an immediate rematch, but Duran obviously would have been a heavy, heavy favorite.

Same thing here, although not to the same degree, and in the past couple weeks the fight seems to have become somewhat more evenly matched in the eyes of fans. We'll see.

[Fab2333]

To answer your question, yes. The majority of fight fans, or at least boxing fans who frequent this board as well as b-scene, are stupid, and also whiners.

and very double standard minded as well.

[Addie]

I understand what you're saying, but I don't think many people are saying MAB has no chance at all. Technically, Davey Moore would have had a chance against Duran in an immediate rematch, but Duran obviously would have been a heavy, heavy favorite.

Same thing here, although not to the same degree, and in the past couple weeks the fight seems to have become somewhat more evenly matched in the eyes of fans. We'll see.

Well this thread was aimed at the individuals who don't give Barrera any chance. Why make the same mistake twice?

[Mind Reader]

I give Barrera a chance, he is one of my favorites, I hope he wins... If I was a betting man though I would go with Pacman. Barrera always has a chance though, he is too good to count out. I guarentee it will be alot better than the first fight.

[Marnoff]

Don't know why arbitrary means.

I wasn't criticising people for picking against Barrera, I was criticising those who refused to believe there was any chance at all that Barrera could win.

What's arbirtrary mean?

Right, but one of the main issues with this is that no one is giving Barrera a 0% chance. Obviously anyone has a chance, so if that is your point, it's dead in the water.

[johnco]

lol....

i remember the days when mab fought an unknown pac. evrytime i log in here, mab dick riders laugh there hearts out at the pac fans. damn, speaking of completely stupid, those mab fans are the real stupido.:patsch pac fans do have the bragging rights nowadays based on pac dismantling mab. it is wrong to say mab has no chance, but if we have to compare the pac fans of today who got the bragging rights vs the mab fans before the first fight, then i must say the mab fans are being pointed out by the topic thread. pac fans just have a better arguments here based on pac's performance against mab and that is not stupid if you have something to talk about!! :good

[Wige247]

Yeah and I've got a chance against Wladimir Klitschko. But that doesn't stop anyone who thinks that I'd actually win from being an idiot.

[Addie]

Right, but one of the main issues with this is that no one is giving Barrera a 0% chance. Obviously anyone has a chance, so if that is your point, it's dead in the water.

That isn't true. There are people out there not giving Barrera any chance, because I've heard them talking about it. I was making the point it's irresponsible as a fight fan to do so.

and that is all

[istmeno]

pac is all wrong for mab. he couldn't beat him when he was younger, i will be shocked if he beats him now.

[2smart4u]

:yep YES !

[dave82]

Sure Mab has a chance of winning this fight and i'll be rooting for him, however I just can't see it happening. Pac man stops him within 8.

[MSTR]

OK, fine, but history also tells us that when fighter A gets blown away by fighter B, engages in several more tough ring wars, and years later, near the end of his career decides to take on the same fighter who gave him arguagbly the worst beating of his life, his chances are slim.
Exactly. This thread is idiotic. The examples mentioned also weren't in cases where the fighter had previously been totally dominated by the same fighter previously. Its not like Barerra is getting any younger here.

[the_what]

Did you not see the first fight? MAB was dominated in every round. I dont see how the rematch will be any different. And this is coming from a big MAB fan.

[psychopath]

These past weeks after the Barrera vs Pacman 2 fight was confirmed, the general consenus is that Barrera will get blown away. In fact, nobody seems to give Barrera a chance in hell, despite history telling us that in the fight game, anything is possible.

Muhammad Ali shocked everybody twice during his career, Pac Man shocked us all with his domination over Barrera, and a lot of people felt Naz would be too much for the baby faced assassin. They were wrong. The list goes on and on; The G man lost to Benn (regardless of the circumstances) and most people didn't expect it to happen. It happened.

I think it's fair to say that anybody who claims to know even the slightest bit about Boxing, will have to admit to the fact that Barrera has a chance. Anything can happen in Boxing.

Just had to get that off my chest. ;)

Completely stupid? Nah nah nah you're getting it wrong. It's just that there are more people who thinks MAB will lose, anyway these are all just opinions.

Every breathing fighter always has a chance . . . if you're talking of chances. In this case MAB has lesser chance, 40/60 in favor of Pacquaio.

:hey :good

[istmeno]

Completely stupid? Nah nah nah you're getting it wrong. It's just that there are more people who thinks MAB will lose, anyway these are all just opinions.

Every breathing fighter always has a chance . . . if you're talking of chances. In this case MAB has lesser chance, 40/60 in favor of Pacquaio.

:hey :good

you are generous. the first fight wasn't 60/40. pac was stylistically a nightmare for mab back then. it was not a fight that mab's people were in a hurry to make.

[ravtrav]

Pac By Ko. It's Not Stupidity, Its Perfection!

Pac 2 - Mab 0

[ripcity]

Personaly I'm picking Barrera but I understand the logic behind picking Pacquiao. He did win their last fight. and has done very well sense than.
I think Barrera will make the adjustments needed to deffete Pacquiao.

[Addie]

Exactly. This thread is idiotic. The examples mentioned also weren't in cases where the fighter had previously been totally dominated by the same fighter previously. Its not like Barerra is getting any younger here.

But that's my point. This isn't just any case where a fighter is rematching someone who beat him when he was younger. This is a fighter who has proved everybody wrong time and time again, and on that basis, you have to give barrera a chance, that is all I'm saying.

[Boom_Boom]

These past weeks after the Barrera vs Pacman 2 fight was confirmed, the general consenus is that Barrera will get blown away. In fact, nobody seems to give Barrera a chance in hell, despite history telling us that in the fight game, anything is possible.

Muhammad Ali shocked everybody twice during his career, Pac Man shocked us all with his domination over Barrera, and a lot of people felt Naz would be too much for the baby faced assassin. They were wrong. The list goes on and on; The G man lost to Benn (regardless of the circumstances) and most people didn't expect it to happen. It happened.

I think it's fair to say that anybody who claims to know even the slightest bit about Boxing, will have to admit to the fact that Barrera has a chance. Anything can happen in Boxing.

Just had to get that off my chest. ;)

Since you are so smart in boxing then

Name one fight where the fighter got destroyed and was losing badly in practically every round(8rounds minimum) then came back to win the rematch

[Grabonator]

OK, fine, but history also tells us that when fighter A gets blown away by fighter B, engages in several more tough ring wars, and years later, near the end of his career decides to take on the same fighter who gave him arguagbly the worst beating of his life, his chances are slim.

Good post. Of course Barrera is a good fighter and he can win but it would really suprise me if he does. In boxing there are often suprises though.

[boxbox]

Pacmans totally off his game he thinks its gonna be easy and a friend of mine who is a member of press has been saying that pacman aint training well and roach is getting pissed off

mab UD


and if Pac wins? despite the rumors...im sure MAB is training his ass off...that would be exemplary would it?:bbb

[MrSmall]

You're all talking about Barrera, but forgetting Pacquaio's shit habits.

[koko of phil]

Barrera also has a chance to win, I agree to say that, cos nobody knows what will occur on the fight night though. But it's just logical for anyone to pick Pac to win on this aside looking from their first encounter but should also look on their performances after that as well, with that Pac has an edge. But Barrera is still Barrera, this fighter is capable to adjust and box differently in the ring. I'm sure Pac wil face a different opposition on MAB unlike the first time.

[knockout]

Barrera is gettin destoryed "END OFF STORY" :yep :smoke

[stillafan]

I agree with this thread, there are some very knowlegable fans on this site...and very stupid ones too.....and yes whiners...

Every knowlegable fan knows that in boxing anything can happen, from luck, to a big upset.....Tyson/Douglas etc etc..

I think Barrera has a chance, my moneys probably on Pac...but to say he has no chance is very untrue....with all that experience and skills, u cant count barrera out....

[Addie]

I agree with this thread, there are some very knowlegable fans on this site...and very stupid ones too.....and yes whiners...

Every knowlegable fan knows that in boxing anything can happen, from luck, to a big upset.....Tyson/Douglas etc etc..

I think Barrera has a chance, my moneys probably on Pac...but to say he has no chance is very untrue....with all that experience and skills, u cant count barrera out....

That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying it's illogical to pick Pacman, and neither am I saying it's wrong for Pac to be the favourite. I'm just criticisng those people who say "Barrera doesn't have a chance". Not just because this is Boxing and anything can happen, but this Marco Antonio Barrera, and people are still saying he has no chance despite overcoming Naz and Morales. I thought everyone learnt their lesson by now.

And whether you like it or not, there are so called boxing fans who don't give Barrera any chance, and they're the people I'm talking about. Not neccesarily you guys.

I have people responding to the thread with things like, "well if your so smart about boxing then" or "this thread is idiotic". First of all, where did I say or imply that I knew a lot about boxing. Is this whole forum thing a competition, you're only allowed to post a thread as long as you know everything about boxing? Lastly, if you think the thread is idiotic, go to a more intelligent thread and be productive.

:huh :huh :huh

[Addie]

i think it should be you who's stupid. if only you focus on the fighters themselves and not on the lowly fans, you'll be safe not to make a fool of yourself.

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

This is a forum, you're supposed to bring up topics that are bothering you. I've heard from boxing fans that Barrera has no chance at all, so I'm bringing it up on a boxing forum, and seeing how everyone else views it.

Why do people have to be so personal? It's stupid.

If you want to criticise a thread then how about the one's regarding Ali vs Louis: who wins? We get them everyday, and everyone is divided.

[Addie]

Since you are so smart in boxing then

Name one fight where the fighter got destroyed and was losing badly in practically every round(8rounds minimum) then came back to win the rematch

I said barrera has a slim chance, not that he will win or should win! :patsch

[ravtrav]

Pac By Ko