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Stinky gloves
08-28-2007, 05:27 PM
Who was closer to be called the best HW at a time: Vitaly before his retirement or Wlad right now?
Good question. Vitali was pretty dangerous and could take a punch, but Wlad looks so damn good lately.
lefthook31
08-28-2007, 08:03 PM
Vitali has proven nothing to me, other than he can take a good beating against the best of what was out there at the time.
Wlad is the one who is showing improvement, and he will be better than his brother will ever be because of Manny Steward. Sdunek is a weak trainer in my opinion.
The division is weak, and Wlad should have no problems with anyone for a long time, but you will see Vitali's comeback will be short lived.
The division is weak, and Wlad should have no problems with anyone for a long time, but you will see Vitali's comeback will be short lived.
Mmm Not too sure about this one. I don't think anyone can CLEARLY beat him in the division right now except Wlad who he won't fight and Peter who he will duck if he calls him out. He will go for Sultan or Chagaev or maybe even Holyfield, lol and theres none of these who can stop him IMO.
Oh and to anwser the question, i think Wlad did more then Vitaly and will continue to prove that hes the best in the family.
lefthook31
08-28-2007, 08:10 PM
Mmm Not too sure about this one. I don't think anyone can CLEARLY beat him in the division right now except Wlad who he won't fight and Peter who he will duck if he calls him out. He will go for Sultan or Chagaev or maybe even Holyfield, lol and theres none of these who can stop him IMO.
Well I certainly dont think Jameel Mcline will be the one, but they will have to be very careful how they match this guy.
Stinky gloves
08-29-2007, 02:48 AM
Vitaly definitely may get next title shot.
brooklyn1550
08-29-2007, 02:58 AM
I voted for Wladimir
Looking at resumes, he has a string of wins over Samuel Peter, Chris Byrd, Calvin Brock, and Lamon Brewster which exceeds Vitali's wins over Corrie Sanders and Danny Williams in my opinion.
Vitali is tougher and has a better chin than his younger brother, but Wladimir is more skilled. He is a sharper puncher than Vitali. His jab is better and his right hand is like a torpedo. I also think he is better defensively and is more coordinated. In his last few fights, Wladimir has displayed his many offensive weapons. Against Brewster, it was the jab. Against Byrd, it was the right hand that did quite a bit of damage. Against Brock, it was also the right hand. And against Austin, it was the left hook.
Overall, I think he is the more talented fighter between the two and has the better overall resume.
hopkinsfan07
08-29-2007, 03:05 AM
wlad IS the better fighter he has also beat better fighters and i think he looks near unbeatable at the moment
but i also think Vitali would win if they were to fight
but the queston at the top says who is da man which is Vitail becuse he can take a punch and dosent take a step back
Secern
08-29-2007, 04:54 AM
Wlad said once, when asked which one of them were best, that when training his older brother would usually kick his ass. I wonder if it is still like that.
Burundanga
08-29-2007, 05:00 AM
To answer the actual question directly...
Vitali was not the "man" during his tenure as it clearly is the case that Lennox was the "man"
Wlad however is the "man" at present
Mind Reader
08-29-2007, 07:02 AM
Vitali for sure in my book.
Wlad. He's clearly a notch above any other Heavyweights right now.
barneyrub
08-29-2007, 07:37 AM
Good question. Vitali was pretty dangerous and could take a punch, but Wlad looks so damn good lately.against ray austin and a one eyed brewster!
barneyrub
08-29-2007, 07:38 AM
To answer the actual question directly...
Vitali was not the "man" during his tenure as it clearly is the case that Lennox was the "man"
Wlad however is the "man" at presentnot until he claims back the lineage of victory that Ibragamov holds over him.
paulfv
08-29-2007, 07:49 AM
Head-to-head, Vitali would destroy Wlad, so I have to say he's #1.
Vitali has proven nothing to me, other than he can take a good beating against the best of what was out there at the time.
Wlad is the one who is showing improvement, and he will be better than his brother will ever be because of Manny Steward. Sdunek is a weak trainer in my opinion.
The division is weak, and Wlad should have no problems with anyone for a long time, but you will see Vitali's comeback will be short lived.
Haha!
"other than he can take a good beating"
As far as I can remember he was the one who was ahead on points against Lewis up to the time when the fight was stopped.And didnt Lewis take a good beating that night,too?
"Sdunek a weak trainer?"
Why the hell is Vitaly still with him ? With a weak coach who has trained DM,Dimitrenko,Erdei,Boytsov,Ullrich,Veit,Gevor,Balzsay,Zbik,and dozens of other known names?
And why on earth is he still Wlad's fitness coach?
Why does he still write all fitness plans for Wlad?
Your comment on Sdunek just showed your ignorance about our beloved sport!
"The division is weak"
Well,this is your opinion.Your entitled to your opinion.I for my part think that most of the present heavies are head and shoulders above those fighters who fought at Holmes' era.
1-Ton
08-29-2007, 08:45 AM
Vitali had come pretty close to being "the man" beacause he caught the attention of the US boxing media. After the Lewis fight, he had fights in the US against Sanders and Williams. If he never got hurt and had been fighting all this time, he would easily be considered the best HW right now.
Wlad is the one who is showing improvement, and he will be better than his brother will ever be because of Manny Steward. Sdunek is a weak trainer in my opinion.
:good
Rudolph
08-29-2007, 10:39 AM
I really don't get all the hype around Vitali, especially when it comes to brother vs brother comparisons...
Wlad has the better wins on his resume. Wlad is a two-time champ WITH legitimate defences. Wlad has overcome adversity and he has avenged a loss. Wlad is technically superior to his brother and packs better one-punch KO power in either hand. The only thing his brother has an advantage over him is the chin thing. So fcking what?
Rudolph
08-29-2007, 10:41 AM
"Sdunek a weak trainer?"
Why the hell is Vitaly still with him ?
And why on earth is he still Wlad's fitness coach?
Why does he still write all fitness plans for Wlad?
Wow, where has that come from? Sdunek hasn't been anywhere near Wlad ever since the first Brewster fight.
lefthook31
08-29-2007, 10:58 AM
Haha!
"other than he can take a good beating"
As far as I can remember he was the one who was ahead on points against Lewis up to the time when the fight was stopped.And didnt Lewis take a good beating that night,too?
"Sdunek a weak trainer?"
Why the hell is Vitaly still with him ? With a weak coach who has trained DM,Dimitrenko,Erdei,Boytsov,Ullrich,Veit,Gevor,Balzsay,Zbik,and dozens of other known names?
And why on earth is he still Wlad's fitness coach?
Why does he still write all fitness plans for Wlad?
Your comment on Sdunek just showed your ignorance about our beloved sport!
"The division is weak"
Well,this is your opinion.Your entitled to your opinion.I for my part think that most of the present heavies are head and shoulders above those fighters who fought at Holmes' era.
Who cares what known names hes with? Pat Burns has worked with a lot of known names, and I think hes a weak trainer as well. So has Don Turner, and I feel the same way about him. You want me to name some more?
I think you are answering your own question. Hes a good fitness trainer perhaps. But as far as preparing his fighters to face all styles, especially the american style of more infighting and "fighting" rather than outside boxing, he comes up short. It takes more of a strategist to be a great trainer to devise gameplans to exploit the opponents weaknesses. Im sure Sdunek will have Vitali in great shape to absorb more punishment in his future fights though. :good
The only strategy he was good at was advising his fighters like DM which fights to avoid which would exploit his weaknesses as a trainer =)
mrbassie
08-29-2007, 11:35 AM
Who was closer to be called the best HW at a time: Vitaly before his retirement or Wlad right now?
Neither of them were or are even remotely close
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