Doesn't seem to be a qhole lot going on in the MMA world lately.

[thebrodstar]

Anybody hear of anything.:lol:

Its like a fucking ghost town in here. The only new thread was a clip of a boxing trainer what the hell is going on?:lol:

[Tuffnutz]

Boxing is going on!

I'm enjoying more boxing at the mo tbh. :good

[tri-pod]

Month of May goes to boxing for sure as all we have to look forward to in MMA is the snooze fest that will be Machida vs. Rashad. But that fight is necessary to shape the rest of the year so all is well in MMA just quiet at the moment. Well i guess you can consider Serra vs. Hughes a good fight so I will enjoy that fight because of the heat between the two.

[thebrodstar]

Yeah I am definitely at the edge of my seat with boxing right now!!!!

[boxingcar]

Back in the "pride fc" era... i used to give 90% attention to mma & 10% to boxing...

right now...it's 50/50.... (thanks for the presence of japanese mma , affliction & other orgs & K1 in general )....

You know , i don't hate the fighters...it's not their fault...
But i really...Really fucking hate what dana white has done so far...

YES , i know...he's also responsible for the "good" things... he did a lot for the sport too and i'm not denying it. The problem is that there's more negative than positive things about mma right now...

And there's a guy on the internet who sums it up.... or at least , speaks about certain problems... Which i personaly think dana white is also partly responsible for.

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

[2FastByFar]

Stuff will get moving at the end of the month and stay strong for the rest of the year.

May 23 - UFC 98: Evans vs. Machida
May 26 - DREAM 9
Jun 06 - Strikeforce: Lawler vs. Shields
Jun 07 - WEC 41: Brown vs. Faber II
Jun 13 - UFC 99: Franklin vs. Silva
Jun 20 - Ultimate Fighter Finale
Jul 11 - UFC 100:Lesnar vs. Mir & St. Pierre vs. Alves
Jul 20 - DREAM 10: Hansen vs. Aoki
Aug 08 - UFC 101: Penn vs. Florian & Silva vs. Griffin
Aug 16 - WEC 42: Torres vs. Bowles
Aug 29 - UFC 102:Couture vs. Nogueira

[Grievesy]

Back in the "pride fc" era... i used to give 90% attention to mma & 10% to boxing...

right now...it's 50/50.... (thanks for the presence of japanese mma , affliction & other orgs & K1 in general )....

You know , i don't hate the fighters...it's not their fault...
But i really...Really fucking hate what dana white has done so far...

YES , i know...he's also responsible for the "good" things... he did a lot for the sport too and i'm not denying it. The problem is that there's more negative than positive things about mma right now...

And there's a guy on the internet who sums it up.... or at least , speaks about certain problems... Which i personaly think dana white is also partly responsible for.

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

Not sure 'sums it up' is quite the phrase.:lol: 20 minute rant.:scaredas:

But seriously the man makes some very good points. The part that particularly gets on my nerves is the booing. Dumb cunts.

[scurlaruntings]

Back in the "pride fc" era... i used to give 90% attention to mma & 10% to boxing...

right now...it's 50/50.... (thanks for the presence of japanese mma , affliction & other orgs & K1 in general )....

You know , i don't hate the fighters...it's not their fault...
But i really...Really fucking hate what dana white has done so far...

YES , i know...he's also responsible for the "good" things... he did a lot for the sport too and i'm not denying it. The problem is that there's more negative than positive things about mma right now...

And there's a guy on the internet who sums it up.... or at least , speaks about certain problems... Which i personaly think dana white is also partly responsible for.

[Only registered and activated users can see links] agree. Everyone knows i was a big big PRIDE fan. But MMA has lost its way for me. Im not optimistic and i dont see a light on the horizon for Martial Arts fans. The UFC has created a unique genre that in my opinion simply isnt good for the overall growth of MMA or good enough for MA.

When PRIDE was around and even Hero's there was always some mouth watering stacked card every so many months that you couldnt wait for. Now we get the usual UFC format that just bores me to tears with the same recycled fighters. To be honest i only skimmed through the last UFC just to see Shogun KO Liddell and Silva mucking around. Other than that i had no interest. The fans suck, the whole event is like a meat market and i just hate the entire brand and product. PRIDE was like fine Caviar. The UFC is like a cold pot noodle.

[jimmie]

Just wait till June gets hear we got some sick fights with UFC 99,WEC,Strikeforce and TUF Finale.

[scurlaruntings]

Just wait till June gets hear we got some sick fights with UFC 99,WEC,Strikeforce and TUF Finale.The WEC really doesnt interest me at all...

[Wilhelm]

Month of May goes to boxing for sure as all we have to look forward to in MMA is the snooze fest that will be Machida vs. Rashad. But that fight is necessary to shape the rest of the year so all is well in MMA just quiet at the moment. Well i guess you can consider Serra vs. Hughes a good fight so I will enjoy that fight because of the heat between the two.


Sherk vs. Edgar?

[chimba]

Well , to be fair Boxing has always been the better sport. Theres just not been many stars and rivalries lately to carry the sport but its definitely getting back into that Marquee status.

MMA is still young, even if the UFC folds in the next few years it will be a legit sport just like Kickboxing is.

As far as popularity, the jury is still out. I feel that MMA has peaked in terms of popularity. The main problem is that even though its a sport with very diverse skillset involved, it seems to be redundant at the same time, it never can reach that moment of a Pac/Hatton , SRL/Duran.

The lack of great fighters and fights also hurts because frankly I still see people watching it and going "what the fuck is this??" Case in point Silva vs. Leites.. Thats arguably the best p4p fighter and it produced a horrible fight.

[boxingcar]

The lack of great fighters and fights also hurts because frankly I still see people watching it and going "what the fuck is this??" Case in point Silva vs. Leites.. Thats arguably the best p4p fighter and it produced a horrible fight.

No that's really not the problem in this sport. The "quality' fighters are there. They exist already and there's some truely amazing ones which unfortunately will NEVER have their chance in the ufc.

and that's the real problem. (which Dana is partly responsible for too)

When people talk about mma , they'll generally think of the UFC. sometimes they'll say "mma this , mma that" (when speaking of the ufc) , they can't even make the difference between the two.

And this shit already reflects ufc's quasi- total monopoly of the sport.
It's almost like a trojan horse. On one side , dana is one hell of a promoter , on the other...He only gives a shit about the ufc and wants to annihilate the competition. (he's a business man aferall so it's a normal reaction)..

Problem is...it's not any good for the sport. MMA isn't just the UFC... Back when pride fc was reigning , there was a fair "balance"... You had the big three , Pride , ufc & heros...

UFC's monopoly is not good because:
1 - it fucks fighters over...( if they complain or lose..they're fucked)
2 - they're paid like shit (for the most part , hell even Affliction which has less PPV numbers pays them way better)

3 - Dana & co can say whatever the fuck they want to the public..
( "this guy is P4P best ever".. or "fedor sucks" etc...)

The whole situation is ridiculous...

[québecwarrior]

yeah, the more ridiculous thing about the UFC was when Jardine was paid 14 000 to being knocked out badly.

[2FastByFar]

The WEC really doesnt interest me at all...

The WEC consistently produces the most entertaining MMA in the sport.

[achillesthegreat]

MMA is boring me massively. In boxing there is news every day. In MMA, it is hard to find much exciting information. UFC do a bill a month at best, sometimes they go longer so you lose interest. With MMA, I'm trying to stay fufilled by reading about shit like Lashley v Sapp!!!

Boxing has me hyped at the moment. Now I'm looking forward to Haye v Wlad and Khan v Kotelnik and those are only for the British fighters I support.

[achillesthegreat]

Also, boxing advertises Pac as the P4P king. UFC advertise Silva as the P4P king. Compare the performances. UFC got me excited about Silva wanting to right the wrong of his last performance and then he bores us. Pacman put us in awe.

I think UFC 100 should be good. Henderson, Lesnar, GSP etc These guys entertain me.

[scurlaruntings]

Also, boxing advertises Pac as the P4P king. UFC advertise Silva as the P4P king. Compare the performances. UFC got me excited about Silva wanting to right the wrong of his last performance and then he bores us. Pacman put us in awe.

I think UFC 100 should be good. Henderson, Lesnar, GSP etc These guys entertain me.Its not just the peformance its the fans. By and large boxing fans are VERY supportive and know whats going on. UFC fans havent got a clue and are just a bunch of frat boys eager to see blood. The problem is the UFC has a monopoly on MMA. Its seen as the face of MMA and frankly in my opinion it doesnt do a good job.

[AJAX]

Its not just the peformance its the fans. By and large boxing fans are VERY supportive and know whats going on. UFC fans havent got a clue and are just a bunch of frat boys eager to see blood. The problem is the UFC has a monopoly on MMA. Its seen as the face of MMA and frankly in my opinion it doesnt do a good job.

Frankly it's a good thing your opinion doesn't mean much....and frat boys??? I thought it was only rednecks??

[scurlaruntings]

Frankly it's a good thing your opinion doesn't mean much....and frat boys??? I thought it was only rednecks??O i know what this is! The law according to Ajax!

One minute.....


GSP GSP GSP!

We cool now? :good

[AJAX]

Yeah We cool......I miss Pride...:yep

[scurlaruntings]

Yeah We cool......I miss Pride...:yep:good

[Nuke]

I'm just suprised the poster doesn't have blood splatter and gladiator pictures on it.

[achillesthegreat]

Its not just the peformance its the fans. By and large boxing fans are VERY supportive and know whats going on. UFC fans havent got a clue and are just a bunch of frat boys eager to see blood. The problem is the UFC has a monopoly on MMA. Its seen as the face of MMA and frankly in my opinion it doesnt do a good job.

I'd agree with that.

Boxing fans will love up Hopkins v Pavlik. I'm not so sure if MMA/UFC fans would love up a technical decision win.

[achillesthegreat]

I'm just suprised the poster doesn't have blood splatter and gladiator pictures on it.

The blood irritates me. Boxing could never get away with that. UFC can put blood wherever they like.

[J_Roth]

I've been watching MMA sine UFC 1. Right now I just don't have a huge amount of interest in the UFC. Ever since Pride folded it has gone down hill. The other faction added drama and made people compare and debate superiority. Dana has accomplished what was considered impossible at one time but at what cost?. I don't know what the future of MMA holds but it may need a reboot.

[scurlaruntings]

I've been watching MMA sine UFC 1. Right now I just don't have a huge amount of interest in the UFC. Ever since Pride folded it has gone down hill. The other faction added drama and made people compare and debate superiority. Dana has accomplished what was considered impossible at one time but at what cost?. I don't know what the future of MMA holds but it may need a reboot.When the UFC bought PRIDE everyone raved and said "well get the big matches we want to see". Very little has come of that as the UFC took the best fighters and tossed the rest to the wind. They simply didnt care. I would have preferred if they kept both franchises seperate and marketed them against each other. Competition is ALWAYS good for ANY industry.

PRIDE simply had a very diffrent and more traditional approach to Martial Arts that i guess was more for the connoisseurs fans of MMA. There was a time when all i wanted to do was watch MMA and wait for thg big shows. Now i have very little interest and the UFC events just dont interest me at all. I said from the beginning UFC buying PRIDE wasnt good for the sport and i still think im right.

[J_Roth]

When the UFC bought PRIDE everyone raved and said "well get the big matches we want to see". Very little has come of that as the UFC took the best fighters and tossed the rest to the wind. They simply didnt care. I would have preferred if they kept both franchises seperate and marketed them against each other. Competition is ALWAYS good for ANY industry.

PRIDE simply had a very diffrent and more traditional approach to Martial Arts that i guess was more for the connoisseurs fans of MMA. There was a time when all i wanted to do was watch MMA and wait for thg big shows. Now i have very little interest and the UFC events just dont interest me at all. I said from the beginning UFC buying PRIDE wasnt good for the sport and i still think im right.I think you are right as well. I thought we would have some big time matches but the UFC Pride bit fizzled out. I think the biggest black eye has to be Fedore not in the UFC and the way Dana handles the situation. His true dictator colors came out from this.

[scurlaruntings]

I think you are right as well. I thought we would have some big time matches but the UFC Pride bit fizzled out. I think the biggest black eye has to be Fedore not in the UFC and the way Dana handles the situation. His true dictator colors came out from this.Dana does what is BEST for the UFC. Not whats good for MMA. He's not interested in cross promotions. He's not interested in working with any other orgs. He wants ALL options on a fighter when they fight for the UFC. And as a whole i think his product is crap. UFC fans have as much depth as a bird bath. All they want to see is blood and there simply not interested in Martial Arts or the finer points of this sport hence all the boo'ing as soon as there not entertained.

He brings in guys like Lesnar who are well known for there brash arrogance. So when we see guys like Silva and Franklin who show so much respect to each other it seems almost odd to behold. In PRIDE the fighters had so much respect for each other and the fans and would bow and the traditional MA way. There just doesnt seem to be that camaraderie in the UFC espcially in TUF. Hardly surprising when there all fighting for peanuts.

[J_Roth]

Just like the audition of Junie Browning's little bro. They bring people on who will garner the most attention not based on skills but personality. There really isn't a match-up at the moment that would really pull me back either.

On the other hand boxing is booming. I had so many people discuss the Pac/Hatton fight. It was really nice to see Boxing back on the casual fan's brain.

I am a fan of both sports but MMA is not drawing me in like Boxing.

[scurlaruntings]

Just like the audition of Junie Browning's little bro. They bring people on who will garner the most attention not based on skills but personality. There really isn't a match-up at the moment that would really pull me back either.

On the other hand boxing is booming. I had so many people discuss the Pac/Hatton fight. It was really nice to see Boxing back on the casual fan's brain.

I am a fan of both sports but MMA is not drawing me in like Boxing.
Im a big MMA fan but boxing is my first love. As long as the sweet science is doing fine im good. The facts remain MMA will never draw the numbers the salaries nor have the prestige of a sport that has history going back 150 years. Pac Hatton was VERY good for boxing.

[J_Roth]

Im a big MMA fan but boxing is my first love. As long as the sweet science is doing fine im good. The facts remain MMA will never draw the numbers the salaries nor have the prestige of a sport that has history going back 150 years. Pac Hatton was VERY good for boxing.
Exactly. My roots with boxing go back to early childhood thanks to my da d. I am a long term more than casual MMA fan but a hard core Boxing fan.

[chimba]

I'll admit, turn back the clock 2-3 years ago, I was a bigger MMA fan. Theres so much potential, it evolved from the Matt Hughes to the GSP and Silvas of the world.

But 3 years later, I feel that the quality of MMA, its fighters and fights have regressed. I think alot of holes and flaws that has not been exposed before has been exposed now, like techniques, drugs, shitty rules..etc etc

And now that Boxing has shown what a beautiful sport it truly is the last couple of years, MMA just all of a sudden pales in comparison as far as quality, excitement and pureness of the sport is concerned.

[scurlaruntings]

I'll admit, turn back the clock 2-3 years ago, I was a bigger MMA fan. Theres so much potential, it evolved from the Matt Hughes to the GSP and Silvas of the world.

But 3 years later, I feel that the quality of MMA, its fighters and fights have regressed. I think alot of holes and flaws that has not been exposed before has been exposed now, like techniques, drugs, shitty rules..etc etc

And now that Boxing has shown what a beautiful sport it truly is the last couple of years, MMA just all of a sudden pales in comparison as far as quality, excitement and pureness of the sport is concerned.You know why? Because back then we knew what a fighters strength was. We knew Matt Hughes was a wrestler. We new Randy Couture was a Greco Roman guy. We knew CC was a kickboxer. We knew Big Nog was BJJ.

Now we got a bunch of of guys who are average at everything but not great at one thing. That has diluted the sport in my eyes espcially in the UFC. The guys who have done well in this sport are/were the ones who knew what there bread and butter was and complimented that with other assets of MMA. Guys like GSP are a rare breed but even GSP couldnt go up against a Muay Thai guy in a pure striking match and nor could he go up against a BJJ guy in ADCC despite his fabled wrestling ability.

[Ubersteve]

When the UFC bought PRIDE everyone raved and said "well get the big matches we want to see". Very little has come of that as the UFC took the best fighters and tossed the rest to the wind. They simply didnt care. I would have preferred if they kept both franchises seperate and marketed them against each other. Competition is ALWAYS good for ANY industry.

PRIDE simply had a very diffrent and more traditional approach to Martial Arts that i guess was more for the connoisseurs fans of MMA. There was a time when all i wanted to do was watch MMA and wait for thg big shows. Now i have very little interest and the UFC events just dont interest me at all. I said from the beginning UFC buying PRIDE wasnt good for the sport and i still think im right.

Yeah, turned out retarded. I could never figure out why they didn't just run PRIDE as UFC Japan or whatever. Have Fedor, Cro Cop, Shogun, Wandy, Arona, Soukodjou, Ninja, Hansen, Gomi, JZ, Aoki, Overeem, Kharetinov, Barnett, Minowa, Azaredo, Bustamante, Sakurai, Henderson etc etc as ticket sellers, and then run cross promotional dream matches every now and again.

[scurlaruntings]

Yeah, turned out retarded. I could never figure out why they didn't just run PRIDE as UFC Japan or whatever. Have Fedor, Cro Cop, Shogun, Wandy, Arona, Soukodjou, Ninja, Hansen, Gomi, JZ, Aoki, Overeem, Kharetinov, Barnett, Minowa, Azaredo, Bustamante, Sakurai, Henderson etc etc as ticket sellers, and then run cross promotional dream matches every now and again.Id said this from the very beginning they should have just left them where they were and marketed the two against each other under the umbreall of Zuffa. It would have been better for the sport as a whole and would have got a UFC presence in Japan. Now the UFC still isnt in Japan will never be big in Japan as it simply doesnt appeal to the Japanese fan base. Its a whole diffrent sport over there.

CC hated it here in the UFC, he couldnt wait to get back to Japan.Guys like Sokodjou have been dashed from the UFC. Arona hasnt fought in 2 years and is nowhere to be seen. And the ones who arent in the UFC like Monson Sylvia Fujita etc are scrambling around in minor orgs just trying to make a living. Its a fucking travesty.

[2FastByFar]

Id said this from the very beginning they should have just left them where they were and marketed the two against each other under the umbreall of Zuffa. It would have been better for the sport as a whole and would have got a UFC presence in Japan. Now the UFC still isnt in Japan will never be big in Japan as it simply doesnt appeal to the Japanese fan base. Its a whole diffrent sport over there.

CC hated it here in the UFC, he couldnt wait to get back to Japan.Guys like Sokodjou have been dashed from the UFC. Arona hasnt fought in 2 years and is nowhere to be seen. And the ones who arent in the UFC like Monson Sylvia Fujita etc are scrambling around in minor orgs just trying to make a living. Its a fucking travesty.


It's not that simple, after the purchase of pride it became clear that the station that had aired Pride still owned some of the Video rights. It also became clear that most of the fighter contracts where non transferable/enforceable.

There was a reason Pride had failed in the first place. They lost there TV deal after a mob scandal was revealed by the Japanese press. Zuffa was unable to get a new deal with any of the major channels in Japan both because the Pride name was radioactive and because Japan is a very insular country when it comes to allowing foreign businesses to operate there.

Finally Japan is very boom & bust and right now MMA is dead there. Both Dream and Sengoku are struggling mightily to stay afloat.

As for the fighters you listed... Cro-cop did not hate the UFC he just failed to perform and based on what they where paying him there was no way for him to stick around if he wasn't tearing up the division. He has stated his desire to eventually return to the UFC but I personally think he's done as a top heavy weight.

Sokodjou was a guy with natural talent who was brought along way to fast after lightning struck twice and his people tried to get rich quick. Like Cro-cop they were paying him large #'s and there was no way he would be kept around if he wasn't performing. Unlike Cro-cop I think he might fight his way back to the UFC assuming his management has learned its lesson and gets him fights that foster his development.

Arona last I heard had held out for unrealistic #'s but recently expressed an interest in returning to MMA, only time will if anything becomes of it.

Monson is doing just fine for himself and I wouldn't be surprised if he eventually ended up back in the UFC some day. Recently I heard a rumor that if Fedor vs. Barnett can't be made it will be Fedor vs. Monson.

Sylvia left willingly, he requested to be let go by the UFC so he could get payed to fight Fedor, his 36 seconds of work netted him quite the pay day. His next fight is a ridiculous boxing match with Ray Mercer.

Fujita is nearly 40 nuff said, Zuffa has no responsibility to employ fighters who are past there prime any more than NFL would to employ old footballers or boxing has... to book washed up boxers on big cards. That's what house cards are for both in boxing and MMA.

[scurlaruntings]

It's not that simple, after the purchase of pride it became clear that the station that had aired Pride still owned some of the Video rights. It also became clear that most of the fighter contracts where non transferable/enforceable.

There was a reason Pride had failed in the first place. They lost there TV deal after a mob scandal was revealed by the Japanese press. Zuffa was unable to get a new deal with any of the major channels in Japan both because the Pride name was radioactive and because Japan is a very insular country when it comes to allowing foreign businesses to operate there.

Finally Japan is very boom & bust and right now MMA is dead there. Both Dream and Sengoku are struggling mightily to stay afloat.

As for the fighters you listed... Cro-cop did not hate the UFC he just failed to perform and based on what they where paying him there was no way for him to stick around if he wasn't tearing up the division. He has stated his desire to eventually return to the UFC but I personally think he's done as a top heavy weight.

Sokodjou was a guy with natural talent who was brought along way to fast after lightning struck twice and his people tried to get rich quick. Like Cro-cop they were paying him large #'s and there was no way he would be kept around if he wasn't performing. Unlike Cro-cop I think he might fight his way back to the UFC assuming his management has learned its lesson and gets him fights that foster his development.

Arona last I heard had held out for unrealistic #'s but recently expressed an interest in returning to MMA, only time will if anything becomes of it.

Monson is doing just fine for himself and I wouldn't be surprised if he eventually ended up back in the UFC some day. Recently I heard a rumor that if Fedor vs. Barnett can't be made it will be Fedor vs. Monson.

Sylvia left willingly, he requested to be let go by the UFC so he could get payed to fight Fedor, his 36 seconds of work netted him quite the pay day. His next fight is a ridiculous boxing match with Ray Mercer.

Fujita is nearly 40 nuff said, Zuffa has no responsibility to employ fighters who are past there prime any more than NFL would to employ old footballers or boxing has... to book washed up boxers on big cards. That's what house cards are for both in boxing and MMA.

Randy Couture at his ripe old age is still fighting in the UFC. If age was a concern he wouldnt be there. The bottom line is the UFC does what is economically best for itself NOT whats good for the sport hence why they made Lesnar vs Couture.

Im well aware of the politics in Japan and the scandal that ensued but the facts remain Dana said he wanted to take his product global. He is yet to conquer Japan or even get close with his brand. DREAM and Sengoku are struggling because of financial reasons. The bottom line is in MMA if you havent got the money and your a fledgling startup this business is a tough one. Zuffa inherited an organisation that was on its last legs and banned in quite a few states. Times have changed and the organsiation has moved on immensely. Providing DREAM etc can also get financial backing theres no reason to presume there doomed to fail.

The reason why i mentioned those fighters was to highlight how quick Dana is to drop talented fighters when he cant make money from them. Thats not good for this sport nor fare on the fighters. As for CC he ALWAYS preferred the lifestyle in Japan and said so himself. He even came out to the PRIDE theme tune in his first fight in the UFC. CC has certainly seen better days but he's an ATG. Wether he's continually performing to a high standard is immaterial in my eyes. He's paid his dues in this sport and as an ATG deserves respect. I doubt well ever see him back in the UFC.

[2FastByFar]

Randy Couture at his ripe old age is still fighting in the UFC. If age was a concern he wouldnt be there. The bottom line is the UFC does what is economically best for itself NOT whats good for the sport hence why they made Lesnar vs Couture.
Not everyone is Randy Couture and it's not about concern for his health it's about ability to stay relevant by winning fights. Fujita hasn't beat a fighter who matters since 2000 and virtually every other win he has is over a guy's with 0-2, 0-4, etc. records. He's not a UFC caliber fighter.

As for the UFC doing what's economically best for itself, of coarse it does it's a business, as to Lesnar vs Couture that was brought about by special circumstances Couture tried to leave over a money dispute and so the UFC was forced to name an interim champ (hence Sylvia vs. Nogueira), as part of the deal to get Randy back the UFC had to give him an immediate fight as he had been on the shelf so long and Randy made clear he would only except a big money fight. As Nogueira vs. Mir was already booked it was Lesnar vs Couture that got made.
Im well aware of the politics in Japan and the scandal that ensued but the facts remain Dana said he wanted to take his product global. He is yet to conquer Japan or even get close with his brand. DREAM and Sengoku are struggling because of financial reasons. The bottom line is in MMA if you havent got the money and your a fledgling startup this business is a tough one. Zuffa inherited an organisation that was on its last legs and banned in quite a few states. Times have changed and the organsiation has moved on immensely. Providing DREAM etc can also get financial backing theres no reason to presume there doomed to fail.
They have taken the UFC global they've been to the UK, Ireland, Canada, there headed to Germany @ UFC 99, they've said there headed to France and made clear they have big expansion plans.

They aren't going to Japan because as I said MMA is dead there right now it would not make financial sense, they will go to South Korea first where they have a much better TV deal and where the UFC brand is as a result better known. As for Dream there is a reason there next show is a David vs. Goliath style freak show, they are desperate to secure ratings. Funding Isn't really the problem either as Sengoku already has a huge corporate sponsor who backs them because he loves MMA. The problem is turning a profit and the only way to do that in Japan is to get on and stay on a major television network as the PPV thing has never taken off there. Unfortunately neither company has drawn major #'s and in less that starts improving they will eventually lose there TV deals and go kaput.

The reason why i mentioned those fighters was to highlight how quick Dana is to drop talented fighters when he cant make money from them. Thats not good for this sport nor fare on the fighters. As for CC he ALWAYS preferred the lifestyle in Japan and said so himself. He even came out to the PRIDE theme tune in his first fight in the UFC. CC has certainly seen better days but he's an ATG. Wether he's continually performing to a high standard is immaterial in my eyes. He's paid his dues in this sport and as an ATG deserves respect. I doubt well ever see him back in the UFC. Fighters get dropped when they lose a couple fights to make way for other fighters, Zuffa can't have 1000's of guys under contract they only put on so many fights a year. Getting dropped from the UFC is not the end of the world any more than getting sent to the minor league's in baseball is, a fighter can sign with a smaller company and start putting wins together and working there way back to UFC. In many cases it benefits the fighter as it does him no good to rack up losses on his record against guys he's not ready for and so a period of retooling against easier competition outside the UFC proofs beneficial. In other cases it's just a case of the fighter not having what it takes to be a winning fighter in the UFC, and again it doesn't have to be the end of said fighters career as fighting in small shows just being able to say you were are a UFC veteran will get you payed more $.

[cdnboxing]

Back in the "pride fc" era... i used to give 90% attention to mma & 10% to boxing...

right now...it's 50/50.... (thanks for the presence of japanese mma , affliction & other orgs & K1 in general )....

You know , i don't hate the fighters...it's not their fault...
But i really...Really fucking hate what dana white has done so far...

YES , i know...he's also responsible for the "good" things... he did a lot for the sport too and i'm not denying it. The problem is that there's more negative than positive things about mma right now...

And there's a guy on the internet who sums it up.... or at least , speaks about certain problems... Which i personaly think dana white is also partly responsible for.

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

Why do people always say "big ass gloves" "pillows." I literally could not watch the rest of it because when he said that I knew that guy is a huge idiot.

Hatton/Pacquiao used 8oz gloves. And gloves were not designed to protect the fighters. They are designed to protect the boxers hands.

[cdnboxing]

I'd agree with that.

Boxing fans will love up Hopkins v Pavlik. I'm not so sure if MMA/UFC fans would love up a technical decision win.

Remember UFC 95 in England?

6 first round KO's. Everybody, EVERYBODY loved it.

To me it just represents a complete lack of skill, complete inability to anticipate punches and complete mismatches.

Say what you want about Hatton, but this guy went down against the P4P best in Pacquiao. Whereas, the UFC guys are doing by Dan Hardy and Paulo Thiago.

[codeman99998]

Guys like GSP are a rare breed but even GSP couldnt go up against a Muay Thai guy in a pure striking match and nor could he go up against a BJJ guy in ADCC despite his fabled wrestling ability.

But... he can beat Muy Thai or BJJ guys in an MMA fight and he is an MMA fighter, not a grappler or a kickboxer.

The reason you are finding more and more well rounded guys is because it takes well-rounded skills to be good in MMA now. All of the #1s are very well-rounded. BJ Penn has very very good standup for a lightweight, and he wins fights with his standup. GSP can do everything. Anderson Silva is a blackbelt under Nog. Fedor can do everything... MMA fighters have to be well-rounded to make it to the top nowadays.

[cdnboxing]

But... he can beat Muy Thai or BJJ guys in an MMA fight and he is an MMA fighter, not a grappler or a kickboxer.

The reason you are finding more and more well rounded guys is because it takes well-rounded skills to be good in MMA now. All of the #1s are very well-rounded. BJ Penn has very very good standup for a lightweight, and he wins fights with his standup. GSP can do everything. Anderson Silva is a blackbelt under Nog. Fedor can do everything... MMA fighters have to be well-rounded to make it to the top nowadays.

NO IT DOESNT.

Its been proven time and time again that you dont have to be well-rounded.

And I actually disagree, I dont think alot of top MMA'ers are well rounded. I think most of them are at best decent at everything.

Only exceptions being GSP, Penn, Silva and Fedor who are fairly good at everything. Silva is not a great wrestler though.

Under Nog. Keyword Big Nog. Alot of black belts given out in MMA are not legitimate. They are given out to legitimize the MMA fighter or the MMA gym that they train out. There are far too many black belts floating around for underserving fighters, with most of whom have never proven their skills at an international level in BJJ.

[TKDfighterJoe]

Why do people always say "big ass gloves" "pillows." I literally could not watch the rest of it because when he said that I knew that guy is a huge idiot.

Hatton/Pacquiao used 8oz gloves. And gloves were not designed to protect the fighters. They are designed to protect the boxers hands.If you gave boxers the gloves they used in ufc first round KO's would go up 500%, people would all be bleeding profusley by the 2nd round, and people would be dieng by the third.

boxers wear gloves so it's not pugilism.

MMA fighters for the most part have at best mediocre boxing skills.

Remember UFC 95 in England?

6 first round KO's. Everybody, EVERYBODY loved it.

To me it just represents a complete lack of skill, complete inability to anticipate punches and complete mismatches.

Say what you want about Hatton, but this guy went down against the P4P best in Pacquiao. Whereas, the UFC guys are doing by Dan Hardy and Paulo Thiago.and nonexistant head movement

[AJAX]

NO IT DOESNT.

Its been proven time and time again that you dont have to be well-rounded.

And I actually disagree, I dont think alot of top MMA'ers are well rounded. I think most of them are at best decent at everything.

Only exceptions being GSP, Penn, Silva and Fedor who are fairly good at everything. Silva is not a great wrestler though.

Under Nog. Keyword Big Nog. Alot of black belts given out in MMA are not legitimate. They are given out to legitimize the MMA fighter or the MMA gym that they train out. There are far too many black belts floating around for underserving fighters, with most of whom have never proven their skills at an international level in BJJ.

I can agree with that, it seems everybody has a black belt these days but guys like Maia are at a different level.

[scurlaruntings]

I can agree with that, it seems everybody has a black belt these days but guys like Maia are at a different level.Il get back to that other post later.

Silva's blackbelt is almost a joke. Although he isnt a beetle on his back he certainly isnt a black belt calibre BJJ. Silva knows what his bread and butter is and sticks to it.

[demzor]

You can make fun of silva's blackbelt.. but he submitted Henderson and Lutter.

So really.. the joke is on you.

His bjj sure seems to work well in mma...

[scurlaruntings]

You can make fun of silva's blackbelt.. but he submitted Henderson and Lutter.

So really.. the joke is on you.

His bjj sure seems to work well in mma...:roll: Has anyone here disputed that? The comparison was with his black belt vs some of the best BJJ guys in the world. Wether he submitted Henderson and Lutter is a bit immaterial. That doesnt make him ADCC material. No one here is denying his credentials in MMA just his black belt in relation to guys like Penn Big Nog etc.

[chimba]

Silvas BJJ Blackbelt is fine. As long as he can prevent submissions, and no one has even come close(even Leites) Its great enough for me. His sub defense now is world class. As good as anyone. A mundial competitor like Leites didnt even get to smell a single chance at going for a submission. Thats says alot

its brings the fight back up where it can be more exciting and not some useless manouvers on the ground for a good 3 minutes

[codeman99998]

NO IT DOESNT.

Its been proven time and time again that you dont have to be well-rounded.

And I actually disagree, I dont think alot of top MMA'ers are well rounded. I think most of them are at best decent at everything.

Only exceptions being GSP, Penn, Silva and Fedor who are fairly good at everything. Silva is not a great wrestler though.

Under Nog. Keyword Big Nog. Alot of black belts given out in MMA are not legitimate. They are given out to legitimize the MMA fighter or the MMA gym that they train out. There are far too many black belts floating around for underserving fighters, with most of whom have never proven their skills at an international level in BJJ.

So, basically, ALL of the top guys are well rounded yet you don't have to be to be on top? Rashad has good striking and good wrestling. Matt Hughes was a very good wrestler, but he also had great submission skills. It is absolutely necessary to cross-train to be successful in MMA. If you have the world's best standup but can't wrestle well enough to keep the fight standing you lose. If you have amazing Jujitsu but can't bring the fight to the ground you lose (See Silva-Leites).

MMA has evolved.

[codeman99998]

:roll: Has anyone here disputed that? The comparison was with his black belt vs some of the best BJJ guys in the world. Wether he submitted Henderson and Lutter is a bit immaterial. That doesnt make him ADCC material. No one here is denying his credentials in MMA just his black belt in relation to guys like Penn Big Nog etc.

Can you honestly not tell the difference between having a black belt in a martial art and being one of the very very very best on a world level in that martial art?

There are judo blackbelts that don't compete in the olympics. What, I guess only like, 30 or 40 guys should EVER have a black belt in BJJ?

[codeman99998]

[quote=TKDfighterJoe;4014807]If you gave boxers the gloves they used in ufc first round KO's would go up 500%, people would all be bleeding profusley by the 2nd round, and people would be dieng by the third./quote]

It's true. Boxers are super heroes and with smaller gloves they would KO everyone in the first round!