So who's going to be the one to pop the Povetkin hype bubble?

[RAMPAGE0017]

Who's going to be the wrong guy to face eventually?

[Maxime]

I don't think Povetkin is hyped.

He's done an excellent job since the beginning of his career and the comments he's getting are just a reflexion of that.

The guy was a world class amateur. He won the gold medal at the olympics. Not to mention he had better opposition in the first 2 years of his career then most heavyweight with +30 fights. And he dominated every single one of them.

How's that hype? It's just plain facts.

[mykolakozak]

Either of the Klitschko brothers will kill Povetkin, but Povetking will play a major role 5 years from now.

[RAMPAGE0017]

I don't think Povetkin is hyped.

He's done an excellent job since the beginning of his career and the comments he's getting are just a reflexion of that.

The guy was a world class amateur. He won the gold medal at the olympics. Not to mention he had better opposition in the first 2 years of his career then most heavyweight with +30 fights. And he dominated every single one of them.

How's that hype? It's just plain facts.


Audley Harrison won a gold medal as well. And anyhow, I'm speaking of this " future king of the HW division " nonsense. The only good opposition he's fought was a faded Larry Donald, every other fighter on his record are just the usual fighters which any boxer will face when trying to build himself up. There's nothing " special " about this guy's record so far.

[huki]

Povetkin is underhyped if anything on this board. If he was a white American, boxing forums on the internet would be hyping him up INSANELY at this point. You would hear things about how he would kill Klitschko, own the division, and become an ATG daily.

[sues2nd]

It will not be Chris byrd or the winner of Brock/Chambers.

I dont know.

Povetkin is good, there is no doubt about that...but he is also still young and has to work on quite a few things.

I would give Brock or Byrd a good chance vs him.

I do think he will be a champ one day tho....

[RAMPAGE0017]

Povetkin is underhyped if anything on this board. If he was a white American, boxing forums on the internet would be hyping him up INSANELY at this point. You would hear things about how he would kill Klitschko, own the division, and become an ATG daily.


Underhyped? Povetkin threads show up on this board weekly. I'd hardly say he was " underhyped ". And that race card is BS, I'm already hearing about how this guy is going to supposedly own the division.

[sues2nd]

Povetkin is underhyped if anything on this board. If he was a white American, boxing forums on the internet would be hyping him up INSANELY at this point. You would hear things about how he would kill Klitschko, own the division, and become an ATG daily.

:patsch

More anti american bullshit.

Mesi (a WHITE AMERICAN HW) has beaten better fighters and done more than Alexander so far, and NOONE has said anything about him beating the Klits, owning the division or becoming an ATG.

BRING THAT BULLSHIT SOMEWHERE ELSE!!!

[RAMPAGE0017]

What I'm wondering is.. is anybody truly considering what they're seeing of this guy in the pro ranks, or is everybody just mesmerized by his glossy amateur background? Because to me he doesn't look any better than Ibragimov.

[huki]

:patsch

More anti american bullshit.

Mesi (a WHITE AMERICAN HW) has beaten better fighters and done more than Alexander so far, and NOONE has said anything about him beating the Klits, owning the division or becoming an ATG.

BRING THAT BULLSHIT SOMEWHERE ELSE!!!
I live in America and saying that American bias doesn't exist is just a straight lie. Joe Mesi is a fucking joke and a bad example. He never had real impressive skills or abilities and he fought bums for a bunch of years before even taking small steps up. Don't compare a joke like Mesi to a young impressive talent with a great amateur background that has the confidence to take huge steps up in competition very quickly. If Povetkin was an American (especially white), he would have 50 times more popularity on these forums.

Audley Harrison won a gold medal as well. And anyhow, I'm speaking of this " future king of the HW division " nonsense. The only good opposition he's fought was a faded Larry Donald, every other fighter on his record are just the usual fighters which any boxer will face when trying to build himself up. There's nothing " special " about this guy's record so far.
If you knew something about world amateur competitions, you would know that Povetkin did more than just win the gold medal. Yes, the only good opposition he has fought is Larry Donald. But after only 13 fights, he has took risky, big steps up like nobody in recent times and still hasn't lost 1 round in his pro career. He has shown excellent skills and improvement after every match and you can't say that his confidence in taking these risks, looking very comfortable in the ring, and handling his opponents with ease in any challenge isn't very impressive. He's taking on top HW's in his next two matches after just 13 fights and he will be the favorite going into them. There's a reason for that.

[RAMPAGE0017]

If you knew something about world amateur competitions, you would know that Povetkin did more than just win the gold medal. Yes, the only good opposition he has fought is Larry Donald. But after only 13 fights, he has took risky, big steps up like nobody in recent times and still hasn't lost 1 round in his pro career. He has shown excellent skills and improvement after every match and you can't say that his confidence in taking these risks, looking very comfortable in the ring, and handling his opponents with ease in any challenge isn't very impressive. He's taking on top HW's in his next two matches after just 13 fights and he will be the favorite going into them. There's a reason for that.


I didn't say anything about his confidence, I'm judging what I'm seeing of him in the ring so far, and so far he doesn't look any better than what we currently have at the top of the division. What's so impressive about what this guy's done to the opposition he's faced so far? Like I said.. they're the usual fighters which many.. many boxers fight in order to build their resume. And if he's a gold medalist, I think it's safe to say that his career thus far is being managed carefully.

[sues2nd]

I live in America and saying that American bias doesn't exist is just a straight lie. Joe Mesi is a fucking joke and a bad example. He never had real impressive skills or abilities and he fought bums for a bunch of years before even taking small steps up. Don't compare a joke like Mesi to a young impressive talent with a great amateur background that has the confidence to take huge steps up in competition very quickly. If Povetkin was an American (especially white), he would have 50 times more popularity on these forums.

I DONT CARE WHERE YOU LIVE....the anti american bs is gettin old on here...and I aint the only one sick of reading it.

YOU YOURSELF STATED THAT IF POVETKIN WAS WHITE AND AMERICAN BLAH BLAH BLAH....

I pointed out that Mesi (who I 100% agree with you BTW, wouldnt last 5 rounds with Povetkin) has fought better comp...is undefeated AND AS YOU SAID WHITE AND AMERICAN!!! Yet NOONE has staked that bs shit you put out there.

Is there an american media bias...YES!

Does it exist in EVERY FUCKIN INSTANCE???? FUCK NO!

Do ALOT of the non-american posters on this forum think it does??? HELL YES!!!

Its a joke now. Everytime an american poster picks an american fighter over a non-american fighter....SOME JACKASS comes in and plays the anti-american bs card.

Povetkin is a nice fighter. I like the guy. BUT as of right now, he hasnt done squat (when your biggest win is Larry Donald....your not a world beater YET!!!). I do think he will be a champ one day...but the key is ONE DAY!

He is overrated by some (YOURSELF) and underrated by loads more. This has nothing to do with him being Russian instead of American...it has to do with his best win being vs LARRY FUCKING DONALD!!

Again...get that anti american BS the fuck outta here.

(sorry for the rant everyone...but you all know how much that shit pisses me off. If its ******ted, then I will back it...if not I will attack it!)

[Bobby]

i dont think hes all hype, the only guys i see beating him clearly are klitsckos and sam peter, prob oleg maskaev , but that says alot for a guy with not many fights

[H .]

I DONT CARE WHERE YOU LIVE....the anti american bs is gettin old on here...and I aint the only one sick of reading it.

YOU YOURSELF STATED THAT IF POVETKIN WAS WHITE AND AMERICAN BLAH BLAH BLAH....

I pointed out that Mesi (who I 100% agree with you BTW, wouldnt last 5 rounds with Povetkin) has fought better comp...is undefeated AND AS YOU SAID WHITE AND AMERICAN!!! Yet NOONE has staked that bs shit you put out there.

Is there an american media bias...YES!

Does it exist in EVERY FUCKIN INSTANCE???? FUCK NO!

Do ALOT of the non-american posters on this forum think it does??? HELL YES!!!

Its a joke now. Everytime an american poster picks an american fighter over a non-american fighter....SOME JACKASS comes in and plays the anti-american bs card.

Povetkin is a nice fighter. I like the guy. BUT as of right now, he hasnt done squat (when your biggest win is Larry Donald....your not a world beater YET!!!). I do think he will be a champ one day...but the key is ONE DAY!

He is overrated by some (YOURSELF) and underrated by loads more. This has nothing to do with him being Russian instead of American...it has to do with his best win being vs LARRY FUCKING DONALD!!

Again...get that anti american BS the fuck outta here.

(sorry for the rant everyone...but you all know how much that shit pisses me off. If its ******ted, then I will back it...if not I will attack it!)

:good, ....:smoke

[Decker]

sues2nd, relax, I think you and huki made some valid points. But there is just as much, if not more, a pro US bias as an anti US bias. And considering what AP has accomplished so far, he is not "hyped". Anyway in this sport, most fighters with a good amatuer background that go 10-0, 15-0, etc. start getting played up one way or the other. Sure AP may not be so special when he fights top comp, but you can say that about most any top prospect.

Most fans bring national, ethnic, and other biases to their boxing views. What's your real problem with Povetkin?

[sues2nd]

sues2nd, relax, I think you and huki made some valid points. But there is just as much, if not more, a pro US bias as an anti US bias. And considering what AP has accomplished so far, he is not "hyped". Anyway in this sport, most fighters with a good amatuer background that go 10-0, 15-0, etc. start getting played up one way or the other. Sure AP may not be so special when he fights top comp, but you can say that about most any top prospect.

Most fans bring national, ethnic, and other biases to their boxing views. What's your real problem with Povetkin?

FIRST, I like Povetkin, you should really go back and read my posts.

I never said he was hype. NOT AT ALL! In fact, I said the exact opposite....I feel he will be champ one day, but the key words being ONE DAY!

Now as for the national, ethnic and other biases....

I will be the first to back someone claiming an american bias when its ******ted. I KNOW it exists...but on this forum, EVERY SINGLE TIME (seriously, EVERY TIME), that someone claims an american fighter can beat non-american fighter...some jackass comes in claiming that they are doing it because they are american. ITS GETTING OLD!

Go read Huki's post...he said that if Povetkin were white (which he is????) and american, people would be saying that he "would kill Klitschko, own the division, and become an ATG daily"...and THAT my friend is bullshit.

The only criteria he laid out was him being white and american. To which I pointed out that Mesi is white and american....AND HAS ACCOMPLISHED MUCH MORE than Alexander and noone has EVER said anything as crazy as that above statement (would kill Klitschko, own the division, and become an ATG daily).

Again, it was a bullshit statement...and if you know me, NOTHING gets me more pissed off then statements like this.

Like I said in my post, if its ******ted I will back it. Back before Calzaghe beat Lacy, noone talked about him in the american media (he is still kinda slept on), but I had been a fan of the guy since the Eubank fight....I was one of the few americans who picked him over Lacy...and at that time even I PLAYED THE AMERICAN MEDIA CARD! Because it was ******ted. Here it was not.

The only negative thing I said about Alexander was that he was overrated by some (Huki) and even qualified that statement by saying that he was underrated by many more.

But, to this point, as I said, he hasnt accomplished anything worthwhile (YET!!!)....and this has zero to do with him being Russian, and everything to do with him NOT ACCOMPISHING ANYTHING WORTHWHILE YET!!!

(again, when Larry Donald is your biggest win....your NOT a world beater yet.....)

I think you should go reread my posts if that is what you got out of it.

[Decker]

I did read some of your posts, that's why I said both of you made good points. I've been reading (more on than off) ESB for over 3 years before officially joining. But I'm not an expert on too many peoples post history - I do have other hobbies :D I understand your points, but think you were a bit harsh to huki. For all I know maybe you guys have a "history" of heated debates in threads I've never read?

I never said he was hype. NOT AT ALL! In fact, I said the exact opposite....I feel he will be champ one day, but the key words being ONE DAY!
Then we generally agree.

Go read Huki's post...he said that if Povetkin were white (which he is????) and american, people would be saying that he "would kill Klitschko, own the division, and become an ATG daily"...and THAT my friend is bullshit. :shock: Well have to agree to that as I don't think he would "kill" either K bro right now or necessarily own the division. If some are writing posts like that about AP, then that's going over the top. But is that kind of exaggeration unusual on sports forums? If you've read some of my posts, you'll see that one of my main gripes is fans that make wild exaggertions to "make" their points.

Like I said in my post, if its ******ted I will back it. Back before Calzaghe beat Lacy, noone talked about him in the american media (he is still kinda slept on), but I had been a fan of the guy since the Eubank fight....I was one of the few americans who picked him over Lacy...and at that time even I PLAYED THE AMERICAN MEDIA CARD! Because it was ******ted. Here it was not. Kudos to your pick... but you partly make my point that even you, as you say, "played" the American media card since you thought it was ******ted. That's what I mean, it is ******ted, and often. I may be taking a position between yours and huki's. That's all.

All in all, seems we agree more than disagree. :good

[huki]

Go read Huki's post...he said that if Povetkin were white (which he is????) and american, people would be saying that he "would kill Klitschko, own the division, and become an ATG daily"...and THAT my friend is bullshit.

The only criteria he laid out was him being white and american. To which I pointed out that Mesi is white and american....AND HAS ACCOMPLISHED MUCH MORE than Alexander and noone has EVER said anything as crazy as that above statement (would kill Klitschko, own the division, and become an ATG daily).

The only negative thing I said about Alexander was that he was overrated by some (Huki) and even qualified that statement by saying that he was underrated by many more.


Once again, the Joe Mesi example is a terrible one because Povetkin is a gold medalist who started his pro career very impressively, while Mesi started up by beating nobodies for over 5 years. He wasn't hyped because he had no excellent abilities that stood out, no noteworthy amateur accomplishments, and he wasn't interested in taking risks / making an impact on the division.

You're taking what I said too far and getting pissed off because of a personal issue you have with anti-american bias. ALL I SAID was that if Povetkin was an American, the hype for him would be much much greater and very annoying on forums like this. That's all I said. How can you disagree with that?

Imagine if a very dominant amateur American heavyweight won the gold medal, turned pro, and in just two years took the fights that Povetkin did and dominated his opposition easily. He took a step up in just his 11th fight and knocked out a fighter that lasted 10 rounds with America's last top prospect (Calvin Brock) in 2 and shut out a very solid fighter who arguably beat a titleholder in his last fight in his 13th fight. Imagine he was ready to take on two top heavyweights that year and have the confidence to face the recognized #1 HW the next year. Imagine he had the noticable skills and abilities that Povetkin has. Imagine that his last 5 fights were on ESPN main events and HBO undercards! You don't think (especially during this HW era) that this fighter wouldn't be hyped up INSANELY on the internet and in general by American fans/boxing media? Come on.. the hype would be absolutely nuts.

My choice of words when saying that "Povetkin is underhyped if anything" was just something to say before I made my point about what would be happening now if he was American. I don't think he needs to be hyped more. I never said that people should all be saying that he is going to kill klitschko and be an ATG in the future. I said that's the kind of hype that would generate by tons of regular U.S. boxing fans on the internet if he was American. Take a look at my last paragraph and try to argue that it's not the truth.

Calm down. I don't have any bias for or against American fighters.

[sues2nd]

Once again, the Joe Mesi example is a terrible one because Povetkin is a gold medalist who started his pro career very impressively, while Mesi started up by beating nobodies for over 5 years. He wasn't hyped because he had no excellent abilities that stood out, no noteworthy amateur accomplishments, and he wasn't interested in taking risks / making an impact on the division.

You're taking what I said too far and getting pissed off because of a personal issue you have with anti-american bias. ALL I SAID was that if Povetkin was an American, the hype for him would be much much greater and very annoying on forums like this. That's all I said. How can you disagree with that?

Imagine if a very dominant amateur American heavyweight won the gold medal, turned pro, and in just two years took the fights that Povetkin did and dominated his opposition easily. He took a step up in just his 11th fight and knocked out a fighter that lasted 10 rounds with America's last top prospect (Calvin Brock) in 2 and shut out a very solid fighter who arguably beat a titleholder in his last fight in his 13th fight. Imagine he was ready to take on two top heavyweights that year and have the confidence to face the recognized #1 HW the next year. Imagine he had the noticable skills and abilities that Povetkin has. Imagine that his last 5 fights were on ESPN main events and HBO undercards! You don't think (especially during this HW era) that this fighter wouldn't be hyped up INSANELY on the internet and in general by American fans/boxing media? Come on.. the hype would be absolutely nuts.

My choice of words when saying that "Povetkin is underhyped if anything" was just something to say before I made my point about what would be happening now if he was American. I don't think he needs to be hyped more. I never said that people should all be saying that he is going to kill klitschko and be an ATG in the future. I said that's the kind of hype that would generate by tons of regular U.S. boxing fans on the internet if he was American. Take a look at my last paragraph and try to argue that it's not the truth.

Calm down. I don't have any bias for or against American fighters.

And again, you didnt mention ANYTHING about skills, potential or anything else. You said if he was white and american, blah blah blah.

That was a ridiculous generalization....which I showed was wrongly used. Seeing as how there ARE WHITE AMERICAN fighters that have accomplished more than Povetkin and they arent hyped in this manner.

And Decker...I think you misunderstood what I was saying....I didnt mean look at all of my posts...I meant all of my posts in this particular thread.

As for me using the american media bias card...I agree 100% that it exists, but its disheartening to an unbiased fan, such as myself to get that card played EVERYTIME I pick an american fighter over a non-american one. As I said, I will back it, if its ******ted....but BLAST IT, if it not.

[Guru_Too_You]

And again, you didnt mention ANYTHING about skills, potential or anything else. You said if he was white and american, blah blah blah.

That was a ridiculous generalization....which I showed was wrongly used. Seeing as how there ARE WHITE AMERICAN fighters that have accomplished more than Povetkin and they arent hyped in this manner.

And Decker...I think you misunderstood what I was saying....I didnt mean look at all of my posts...I meant all of my posts in this particular thread.

As for me using the american media bias card...I agree 100% that it exists, but its disheartening to an unbiased fan, such as myself to get that card played EVERYTIME I pick an american fighter over a non-american one. As I said, I will back it, if its ******ted....but BLAST IT, if it not.
Dude you need to relax. Mesi, although I completely love and support him as an individual born in upstate New York, was so grossly overhyped it was ridiculous. He hand some power, and was unleashing it on overmatched foes in Buffalo. He really lucked out when he caught DaVarryl cold, because that bout truly started the hype train. To be dropped and battered by Monte Barrett, who is a top fifteen gatekeeper and then get pummeled by a former cruiser in Jirov, of whom was stopped by an ancient Moorer after) proved how weak of a prospect Mesi was. And this is coming from some one who has traveled to Buffalo to watch him fight.

Now, Povetkin on the other hand, is a very well polished amateur with great technical skills. Not just the right color from the right country to get people following him. If he were to be featured on HBO, a bunch of people would like him, but not nearly as many as liked Mesi. Its just the way it is dog.

Oh yeah, reppin Boston eh? You born and raised? I'm downtown as we speak.

[sues2nd]

Dude you need to relax. Mesi, although I completely love and support him as an individual born in upstate New York, was so grossly overhyped it was ridiculous. He hand some power, and was unleashing it on overmatched foes in Buffalo. He really lucked out when he caught DaVarryl cold, because that bout truly started the hype train. To be dropped and battered by Monte Barrett, who is a top fifteen gatekeeper and then get pummeled by a former cruiser in Jirov, of whom was stopped by an ancient Moorer after) proved how weak of a prospect Mesi was. And this is coming from some one who has traveled to Buffalo to watch him fight.

Now, Povetkin on the other hand, is a very well polished amateur with great technical skills. Not just the right color from the right country to get people following him. If he were to be featured on HBO, a bunch of people would like him, but not nearly as many as liked Mesi. Its just the way it is dog.

Oh yeah, reppin Boston eh? You born and raised? I'm downtown as we speak.

I agree Mesi isnt anything special...just saying that the whole White and American comment was offbase and ridiculous (and that it is overused here...NOTHING gets me more pissed off than reading that in EVERY POST...its getting old).

And I like Povetkin alot. I think he has the tools to be special. I wasnt comparing the fighters in any way, just showing that being white and american doesnt nessessarily equate into unbearable hype (cleaning out the division, beating the Klits and such...).

As for Boston, yeah, born and raised. I now live just outside in Everett (suburn south of there...not sure how long youve been here or how well you know the area...:D )

[Rakim]

Who's going to be the wrong guy to face eventually?




I can't believe you're taking the piss out of a professional boxer when you worry about having split-ends.

[Guru_Too_You]

I agree Mesi isnt anything special...just saying that the whole White and American comment was offbase and ridiculous (and that it is overused here...NOTHING gets me more pissed off than reading that in EVERY POST...its getting old).

And I like Povetkin alot. I think he has the tools to be special. I wasnt comparing the fighters in any way, just showing that being white and american doesnt nessessarily equate into unbearable hype (cleaning out the division, beating the Klits and such...).

As for Boston, yeah, born and raised. I now live just outside in Everett (suburn south of there...not sure how long youve been here or how well you know the area...:D )

7 years and counting. Live out in Chestnut Hill and work downtown.

The american thing comes up a lot, in my opinion, because it is true to a certain extent. Now, every white american heavyweight isnt propelled to the levels of Cooney, but some do get hyped beyond their capabilities or what they've displayed. And it just doesnt happen to white heavyweights either. It happens with fighters like Lacy as well. What cant be refuted is that regardless of how many champions are from the USA at any given time, it is still the mecca and center of the boxing world. That being said, obviously the fighter who fight here will be recognized first. The further you stray away, the longer it takes to get recognized.

[sues2nd]

7 years and counting. Live out in Chestnut Hill and work downtown.

The american thing comes up a lot, in my opinion, because it is true to a certain extent. Now, every white american heavyweight isnt propelled to the levels of Cooney, but some do get hyped beyond their capabilities or what they've displayed. And it just doesnt happen to white heavyweights either. It happens with fighters like Lacy as well. What cant be refuted is that regardless of how many champions are from the USA at any given time, it is still the mecca and center of the boxing world. That being said, obviously the fighter who fight here will be recognized first. The further you stray away, the longer it takes to get recognized.

:good

Totally agree that there is an american bias...and I am fine with people bringing it up, IF ******TED! But lets be serious, it is overplayed on this site...as american fans, we CANNOT pick a fighter from here without AT LEAST a few people pointing out that we do it because we are american.

[Guru_Too_You]

:good

Totally agree that there is an american bias...and I am fine with people bringing it up, IF ******TED! But lets be serious, it is overplayed on this site...as american fans, we CANNOT pick a fighter from here without AT LEAST a few people pointing out that we do it because we are american.

LOL. Very true. Nice to meet in the middle my man.

[Orang-Utan Jim]

Povetkin is a good, very solid guy. But I cannot see him ruling the division as long as the Klitschkos are around. So I think Povetkuin will establish himself as the clear #3 in the division below both Klits (I think Vitaly will comeback in good fashion), but clearly above Peter, Ibragimov chagaev etc.....

[Sputnik44]

Wlad
Vitali

Both whoop his ass ...I hope he has a long and succesful career but if he rushes in to fight these guys he's gonna end up on his back

[Guru_Too_You]

Wlad and Vitali are the only ones gaining any support.

So I think its safe to say that there is no bubble. There is just an extremely talented fighter tearing through the division on a course to fight anyone and everyone.

[sues2nd]

LOL. Very true. Nice to meet in the middle my man.

:good

[huki]

And again, you didnt mention ANYTHING about skills, potential or anything else. You said if he was white and american, blah blah blah.
Again, I said if Povetkin was white and American. If POVETKIN WAS. That's implying that the fighter DOES have skills and potential, because I'm talking about a fighter that accomplished everything he has and has the same skills as him, but he's American. And once again, the point I made is that the hype for this fighter would be absolutely crazy. Can you argue with that?

[sues2nd]

Again, I said if Povetkin was white and American. If POVETKIN WAS. That's implying that the fighter DOES have skills and potential, because I'm talking about a fighter that accomplished everything he has and has the same skills as him, but he's American. And once again, the point I made is that the hype for this fighter would be absolutely crazy. Can you argue with that?

:lol:

But there are instances where white and american fighters, who have accomplished more than him have not recieved the hype you are talking about.

Again, what you said was broad, generalized and off base. Its what most people do on this site....whether you meant it that way, who knows...maybe ya did, maybe not (my guess now after reading your replies is not, so for that I apologize), but the point is, it WAS worded that way.

And judging by the pms I got after making the reply, I was NOT the only one who took it in that context. Like I said, I am not the only one sick of reading it in every post.

[huki]

:lol:

But there are instances where white and american fighters, who have accomplished more than him have not recieved the hype you are talking about.

Again, what you said was broad, generalized and off base. Its what most people do on this site....whether you meant it that way, who knows...maybe ya did, maybe not (my guess now after reading your replies is not, so for that I apologize), but the point is, it WAS worded that way.

And judging by the pms I got after making the reply, I was NOT the only one who took it in that context. Like I said, I am not the only one sick of reading it in every post.
Give me a recent case (in the last 15 years even) where a white American rising HW accomplished what Povetkin did in the amateurs and in just 2 years as a pro. There are none. And if there was, the hype would be ridiculous. That's all. I agree that the way I said it might have sounded wrong at first, so that's why we started arguing.