View Full Version : Carl Froch - Biggest reward lowest risk?
Dubstep
05-08-2009, 01:23 AM
Fighting Bernard Hopkins - Big Fight Big Risk - No title but massive name. But could get schooled a la Pavlik.
Fighting Mikkel Kessler - Big Fight Big Risk - Gets a title and another step closer to Calzaghe, but could lose.
Fighting Lucien Bute - Big Fight Lowest Risk? Gets a title, beats a respected fighter. Less likely to lose.
Make standard defenses - Smaller fight but less risk.
Watto
05-08-2009, 01:47 AM
Def Bute to grab the title then step it up a cog in his next fight
Maxime
05-08-2009, 02:24 AM
Bute is the easiest fight compare to Kessler and Hopkins but it's far from a sure win for Froch.
Farmboxer
05-08-2009, 03:01 AM
Froch is better than most believe.
robpalmer135
05-08-2009, 04:45 AM
If Hopkins wants it he should have to come down to 168lbs.
Carl should fight guys like Bika, Andrade and build up his hard man image. The US are desperate for a new Arturo Gatti and Froch could be it. Bika and Andrada are well known in the states along with Allan Green.
At some point next year Pavlik will move up to 168lbs and thats a very winnable fight for Froch in my opinion. This would be HBO, and if Froch wins a war it moves him into the big leages. He can then get huge money for unifying against Kessler and Bute.
Anyone notice Froch say "unify the 3 belts" as he doesnt count the ****** Boxing Organisation
dwilson
05-08-2009, 04:48 AM
Carl should fight a few decent nkown names like Miranda, Bika and Andrade. I commend him if he takes on Hopkins because I really can not see him winning that fight and I doubt B-Hop will get shitted on if it goes the distance again.
Bute would be a nice little earner against a poor champion but I doubt Bute has the bottle to step out of his comfort zone.
I dont think Hopkins is a good idea. It took him ages to get his belt, im not sure Mick will want him to lose it so quickly.
Bute would be a good fight but he would have to travel again, i think that is his main aim. Abraham is also a good fight to keep an eye on.
You guys are comedians the way you talk about Bute as an easy fight.
Buggo
05-08-2009, 07:26 AM
I'm fairly sure that Froch will need to take another mandatory before he can attempt to unify. If Miranda can beat Ward next week, then I expect he will be given the mandatory slot. Miranda will be prepared to come to the UK for the fight. I believe that this is a winnable fight for Froch but very tough. It would make great viewing for the fans as I would predict a slugfest. However if Ward were to beat Miranda, I'm not convinced that Ward would want to fight Froch just yet.
mckay_89
05-08-2009, 07:42 AM
Miranda-Froch would be a war while it lasted, in the end Froch would be much to durable for the Colombian but it would be worth the money to go and watch it live.
Broxi
05-08-2009, 07:55 AM
Bute ... I think Froch wins that one.
I like the idea of a Froch v Pavlik at SMW, that would be huge. Kessler would be a damn hard fight for him and I don't think he can win against Hopkins at this point.
ConcretePete
05-08-2009, 08:01 AM
I don't see any of these fights being low risk, Froch was far from convincing against Taylor. Granted he has a good beard, but Taylor on cue faded down the stretch. Pavlik or Bute would probably be the best options but not guarenteed wins by any stretch. If Froch wants to hold onto that belt, I would give Manfredo and Lockett a call.
Cobbler
05-08-2009, 08:09 AM
Fighting Bernard Hopkins - Big Fight Big Risk - No title but massive name. But could get schooled a la Pavlik.
Fighting Mikkel Kessler - Big Fight Big Risk - Gets a title and another step closer to Calzaghe, but could lose.
Fighting Lucien Bute - Big Fight Lowest Risk? Gets a title, beats a respected fighter. Less likely to lose.
Make standard defenses - Smaller fight but less risk.
Bute may be marginally the 'lowest risk' (in terms of seeing a possibility for Froch to win) but it ain't as big a fight as either Kessler or Hopkins especially.
Right now Miranda beating Ward and fighting Froch as his second mandatory is far and away the best risk/reward scenario for Froch IMO.
Carnage
05-08-2009, 09:58 AM
All fights will be tough fights, he comes across as a "nothing-to-lose" fighter, so he will go for only big fights. If he wins his next fight against any of them (especially B-Hop), he will get the praise he deserves, if he loses he'll come back and fight and make his way back up the ladder again, I'm sure of it!
Kid Lucky
05-08-2009, 01:26 PM
Froch could fill Nottingham Arena against pretty much anyone now I think, but from an unselfish point of view I'm hoping he takes a risk and fights over in the US. Can't see them letting a British fighter take on some no mark, so either someone whose been on the Contender (names already out there) or a known name or a fellow titlist.
I'd like to see him v Kessler but probably more likely Andrade then a bigger fight v Hopkins or Pavlik perhaps.
cityofgod
05-08-2009, 02:32 PM
Taylor faded down the stretch
Taylor faded down the stretch
Taylor faded down the stretch
Taylor faded down the stretch
Taylor faded down the stretch
Taylor faded down the stretch
Taylor faded down the stretch
Taylor faded down the stretch
If you say it enough it becomes folklore.
The reality is he won round 11 on 2 of the 3 scorecards and came out firing in round 12 and forget about Froch carrying his power til the end of every fight.
He got knocked down then stopped on shaky legs despite firing on all cylinders from the opener.
Froch went abroad and got the knockout win under hostile conditions and on enemy territory.
I cant see Bute coming to the UK and knocking Froch out on his soil.
Absolutely no friggin chance.
But i can see the reverse definitely.
JonOli
05-09-2009, 12:21 AM
Bute out boxed Andrade and it's only because of the drama at the end people see Froch in with an easy chance.
Froch's getting on, he keeps getting involved in total wars (how many can he take?), he's not going to be able to keep it up for long - bring on Kessler I say.:D
Flea Man
05-09-2009, 04:03 AM
Allan Green.
totally average, ge's so underrated, but would give Froch a good scrap.
Personally I think Frochy should find the winner of Ward vs. Miranda.
Beeston Brawler
05-09-2009, 04:07 AM
I don't see the point in taking on Miranda.
He has been completely and utterly owned by Pavlik and Abraham... both potential future foes of Froch - granted he is decent enough to watch but he is better known for his big mouth and inability to take a punch.
Kessler seems tied up, Bute has Andrade to come soon..... Ballsy won't fight anyone decent....
It will either be WBC mandos or someone from 160 or 175. I'd try and get Pavlik into the ring - so overrated it is untrue.
Flea Man
05-09-2009, 04:32 AM
I don't see the point in taking on Miranda.
He has been completely and utterly owned by Pavlik and Abraham... both potential future foes of Froch - granted he is decent enough to watch but he is better known for his big mouth and inability to take a punch.
Kessler seems tied up, Bute has Andrade to come soon..... Ballsy won't fight anyone decent....
It will either be WBC mandos or someone from 160 or 175. I'd try and get Pavlik into the ring - so overrated it is untrue.
well, mainly because I think Ward will win but is overrated! So I would like Frochy to have his 'Lacy' fight if you know what I mean :good
Flea Man
05-09-2009, 04:34 AM
I don't see the point in taking on Miranda.
He has been completely and utterly owned by Pavlik and Abraham... both potential future foes of Froch - granted he is decent enough to watch but he is better known for his big mouth and inability to take a punch.
Kessler seems tied up, Bute has Andrade to come soon..... Ballsy won't fight anyone decent....
It will either be WBC mandos or someone from 160 or 175. I'd try and get Pavlik into the ring - so overrated it is untrue.
Man, RedRooster and Hermit are hanging off of his nuts you can't say one bad word about him!!!
Pavlik-Froch would be a good scrap while it lasts, but I really don't rate Pavlik's chin, and his power seems nonexistent anywhere above 160.
Froch would deal with him, late stoppage.
Beeston Brawler
05-09-2009, 04:39 AM
I don't know much about Ward, so will have to take your word for it!
In terms of Pavlik.... I did a thread on the General Forum saying that Hopkins would embarrass him and was laughed off.... should have bumped it!
Probably the worst middleweight champion since Oscar De La Hoya..... in terms of linear ones my memory doesn't go that far, but can't think of a worse one.
Flea Man
05-09-2009, 04:52 AM
I don't know much about Ward, so will have to take your word for it!
In terms of Pavlik.... I did a thread on the General Forum saying that Hopkins would embarrass him and was laughed off.... should have bumped it!
Probably the worst middleweight champion since Oscar De La Hoya..... in terms of linear ones my memory doesn't go that far, but can't think of a worse one.
Yeah, but then Oscar was gifted the title with that win over Sturm.
Ward is very, very good.....just taking it slow and if Miranda doesn't spark him it will only be because Miranda really isn't that good anyway.
Thing is, what if Frochy got lucky against Taylor??? I'm a massive fan now but it's in the back of my mind that he will be easy to 'school', as he has a great chin that will keep him in there but a fast boxer with good stamina will beat him to the punch and avoid Froch's heavy hands in return.
Still, you have to have belief in the guy, he's a true Warrior, and as British a fighter as you could find! Coming back from the brink with pure heart and will, I love it:good
rothwell
05-09-2009, 05:49 AM
Froch should keep well away from Andrade, the guy has a fantastic chin and would throw far more punches than Froch.
With Froch's leaky defence he could be outworked for a UD.
He should be looking at Bika or Miranda as a relatively easy, but popularity building fight whilst Bute/Kessler sort themselves out. Once this has been done then he can challenge one of these guys into a 'Superfight'.
He should keep well, well, well, well away from Hopkins. B-Hop's style would give him fits.
NO MAS
05-09-2009, 01:59 PM
There are no easy fights out there for him if he wants to get the $$$$$$$ and recognition to go with it... speculate to accumulate...the higher the risk the higher the gain IMO.....:think:think
HeavyT
05-09-2009, 06:53 PM
All pose a great risk, I think he should have fight his mandatory or 2 then fight Bute.
David UK
05-10-2009, 04:04 PM
He should go for Bute if possible. Very winnable.
Ok, so for the first half of the Taylor fight Froch didn't perform that well, but he was clearly very anxious/nervous and people don't give enough credit to Taylor for how good a fighter he is, especially in the first half of a fight. Carl will have learnt a great deal from the Taylor fight and will be more rounded when he fights in world class again,particulary if it's on foreign soil.
I hope he's also learnt two lessons
1) That at the highest level his workrate must be higher
2) That at the highest level you can't always take someone out with one punch or a 'one-two', He must target the body more and punch in combinations
Axl_Nose
05-10-2009, 05:14 PM
If i was Froch i'd go after the Kessler fight. People in this country know who Kessler is so it could generate some good money .. Considering that Froch has beaten better fighters than Kessler has beaten, i think its a good option. He should stay away from Hopkins at all costs. Theres no money for a Bute fight and i dont think Pavlik's people are the easiest to deal with. For me its Kessler all the way, Froch has a great chance of winning and its the fight he'd make the most money off.
Axl_Nose
05-10-2009, 05:21 PM
All pose a great risk, I think he should have fight his mandatory or 2 then fight Bute.
At this stage in Froch's career he needs big fights .. He's not like Hatton or Calzaghe, they had big fan bases so they could make plenty of money from mandatorys, Froch doesnt have that so he needs big fights to make his money and now is the time .... The only guy i would stay well away from is Hopkins .. Froch is a decent fighter who can look bad but he can beat Kessler and Bute .. Im not sure how i rate Pavlik, it's difficult after the Hopkins demolition
Bute is the worst risk/reward of any of them.
If he wins he gets an IBF belt and probably less money/glory. If he loses he loses to the perceived worst of all his options and is back to square one. At least there would be a way back from a loss to Hopkins and maybe Kessler.
And thats a big possibility he loses to Bute.
hoagy
05-10-2009, 05:47 PM
Carl did one hell of a job to come back against Taylor but a fight against Kessler and the still dangerous Roy Jones Jnr should be avoided like the plague especially as his hands were down and defences need improving.
Carl deserves a BIG pay day but a fight against Calzaghe is not going to happen
Gneus7
05-11-2009, 10:53 AM
He should fight Hopkins.
fenian 67
05-11-2009, 11:28 AM
id say bute but isnt he going to give andrade a rematch? i say stay away from hopkins and aim for the winner of ward miranda which i cant call as ive never seen ward fight
pathmanc1986
05-11-2009, 12:41 PM
carl froch is entitled to a 'home' defence imo
two super hard 12 round fights one away from home has earned him this right
then in late 2009-2010 fights with abraham, kessler, bute, pavlik, hopkins should be made to have a unified champ
LiamE
05-11-2009, 01:28 PM
You guys are comedians the way you talk about Bute as an easy fight.
I wouldnt say Bute was easy but he's an easier night than Hopkins or Kessler in my book.
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