F*** Jermain Taylor.

[Amsterdam]

Come on everyone, just admit that this guy is ripe for the picking, going downhill fast and has done nothing worthy of P4P rankings except for recieving 2 gift wins over Hopkins and 1 gift draw over Wright, then a sloppy win over an overrated 154 pound light hitting swarmer and a legitimate, but "barely" winning effort against an average sized LMW whom any P4P MIDDLE would have DECIMATED. The hilarious thing is that fanboys predicted he'd be an "ATG" before the Wright fight happened......;)

Fuck Jermain Taylor, the joker is going down soon and will be brutally KTFO, cementing him in the soon to be remade 2007 Chin Checklist as checked off cracked.

Bye bye Jermain.:hi:

You won't be missed when it comes.:yep

[Thor]

Come on everyone, just admit that this guy is ripe for the picking, going downhill fast and has done nothing worthy of P4P rankings except for recieving 2 gift wins over Hopkins and 1 gift draw over Wright, then a sloppy win over an overrated 154 pound light hitting swarmer and a legitimate, but "barely" winning effort against an average sized LMW whom any P4P MIDDLE would have DECIMATED.

Fuck Jermain Taylor, the joker is going down soon and will be brutally KTFO, cementing him in the soon to be remade 2007 Chin Checklist as checked off cracked.

Bye bye Jermain.:hi:

You won't be missed when it comes.:yep

You could be right, BUT, if you're not, I will remind you and people of your Taylor hating ilk how wrong you were.

[Lance_Uppercut]

If he's so bad what does that say about Hopkins and Winky.....

[Amsterdam]

I've been saying this exact same thing since the Hopkins fights. This guy is nothing but HBO hyped, overrated trash. He'll be exposed soon for the complete fraud he is.

But as far as his chin goes I think it's decent. At the very least it's average. His downfall will be more due to his bad defense rather than his chin.

Well, just going off of how Hopkins never being a monsterous puncher, especially in the later years where he utilised tactics over anything, and had him stumbling across the ring...

What's a real MW hitter or SMW hitter going to do then? Put him away.

[Amsterdam]

If he's so bad what does that say about Hopkins and Winky.....

Hopkins won the their fights, especially impressive considering that it was Taylor's PEAK seemingly and that Hopkins was having trouble with the weight and was 41 years old.

Winky also won, 8-4 I may add, impressive since he lacks any MW punching power at all, but had him scrambling to the ropes often and even buzzed him a few times.

Expect Miranda, Pavlik or Abraham to all remove Taylor by KO if they every get a chance, then if Taylor jumps to SMW, expect any of the top 10 to remove him by KO.

[China_hand_Joe]

If he's so bad what does that say about Hopkins and Winky.....And from that, what does it say about the entire American boxing scene. It tells us that it is built up on lies.

[sues2nd]

Last 5 opponents.

Joppy.
Hopkins twice.
Winky.
Ouma.
Spinks.

Not a bum in the lot. Of course he hasnt looked as unbeatable as he did against the scrubs he fought leading up to these fights...he is fighting very good to GREAT fighters.

And the arguement that he lost a few of those fights doesnt matter. He fought the best and stayed competative in every fight. Just for the fact that he fights the best fighters out there, rather than going the easy route and taking on the ABC belts mandatories speaks LARGE volumes to what kind of fighter he is!!!

He is unarguably top ten p4p.

(BTW, I feel he lost once to Hop...I was ok with the draw to Winky...and he beat Spinks)

[Napoleon]

Come on everyone, just admit that this guy is ripe for the picking, going downhill fast and has done nothing worthy of P4P rankings except for recieving 2 gift wins over Hopkins and 1 gift draw over Wright, then a sloppy win over an overrated 154 pound light hitting swarmer and a legitimate, but "barely" winning effort against an average sized LMW whom any P4P MIDDLE would have DECIMATED. The hilarious thing is that fanboys predicted he'd be an "ATG" before the Wright fight happened......;)

Fuck Jermain Taylor, the joker is going down soon and will be brutally KTFO, cementing him in the soon to be remade 2007 Chin Checklist as checked off cracked.

Bye bye Jermain.:hi:

You won't be missed when it comes.:yep

I agree with everything.

[Lance_Uppercut]

And from that, what does it say about the entire American boxing scene. It tells us that it is built up on lies.

Yes...that means the ENTIRE American boxing scene was built on lies...because of Taylor.:roll:

[Decebal]

And from that, what does it say about the entire American boxing scene. It tells us that it is built up on lies.

:lol:...classic China Joe!

[Lance_Uppercut]

Another Eurosnob circle jerk this turned into. :lol:

[Decebal]

Another Eurosnob circle jerk this turned into. :lol:

no...it's just a bit of harmless fun!:p

[Lance_Uppercut]

no...it's just a bit of harmless fun!:p
:good

I guess it's fair since there are usually dumb Americans bashing your fighters in threads.

[C Money]

I'm sorry but I picked against Taylor twice with b-hop and with Wright but I clearly saw two wins and a draw.


Everyone has their bias and opinions and are entitled to such, but I cannot give Taylor as much shit as so many. What you have is a Champion who has been willing to fight and take on the best. It's a damn shame a lot of other Champ's dont have that same mentality:good

At least taylor will make/take the fights that will someday perhaps give his detractors what they seek:yep

[Decebal]

:good

I guess it's fair since there are usually dumb Americans bashing your fighters in threads.

Not really...many American posters who take an interest in European fighters/fighters of European extraction usually have something apposite to add...and when they write them off humurously, I am the first to laugh with them!:good

[Zakman]

I've been saying this exact same thing since the Hopkins fights. This guy is nothing but HBO hyped, overrated trash. He'll be exposed soon for the complete fraud he is.

But as far as his chin goes I think it's decent. At the very least it's average. His downfall will be more due to his bad defense rather than his chin.

Agree with you totally that Taylor is an over-hyped HBO fraud who has gotten multiple gift decisions in fights he lost. But, ask yourself WHY, ever since Hopkins rocked him, he's been taking on nothing but light-hitters coming up from lower weight divisions??

I smell a high-grade Fraudley here - just WAITING to get KTFO! :nod :yep

[The Italarican]

Here's how I scored Taylor's fights with Hopkins and Wright:

Hopkins 1: 114-114
Hopkins 2: 114-114
Wright: 114-114

There are people on both sides of the fence that say Jermain won 1, 2, or all of those fights, and there are some who say he lost 1, 2, or all of those fights.

For me, no matter what way you slice it, Taylor has proven to be trouble for the cream of the crop. Hopkins had a decade of dominance before Taylor and immediately looked dominant again in his return at 175. You can argue he lost any of those fights, but that doesn't change the fact that he's shown he can hang with the elite guys in the sport and give them trouble, even if he doesn't overwhelm us in the process.

I can easily call out any undefeated fighter right now waiting for his inevitable loss and then claim I told all of you that he was overhyped. If Jermain ends up beating Pavlik, there will still be people saying "Big deal, Jermain beat a guy who only got his hype by beating an overrated, weight-drained Miranda. Jermain will get schooled, you'll see."

Wow, it's really reaching out on a limb when you predict that a guy who's had close and controversial decisions and continues to fight top names is going to lose a fight.

[DanePugilist]

Come on everyone, just admit that this guy is ripe for the picking, going downhill fast and has done nothing worthy of P4P rankings except for recieving 2 gift wins over Hopkins and 1 gift draw over Wright, then a sloppy win over an overrated 154 pound light hitting swarmer and a legitimate, but "barely" winning effort against an average sized LMW whom any P4P MIDDLE would have DECIMATED. The hilarious thing is that fanboys predicted he'd be an "ATG" before the Wright fight happened......;)

Fuck Jermain Taylor, the joker is going down soon and will be brutally KTFO, cementing him in the soon to be remade 2007 Chin Checklist as checked off cracked.

Bye bye Jermain.:hi:

You won't be missed when it comes.:yepI totally agree with you, and you know I do.

Unfortunately at this point your thread could be interpreted as bandwagoneering, when in reality you have said this for such a long time.

When someone said what you say now before the Spinks match, alot of people would lynch you or mark you insane. Right now, things have changed in one match only.

Still I give this post my mark of approval.:good

[RAMPAGE0017]

Pavlik will have to knock Taylor out. Even if he outpoints him, it's 60-40 in Taylor's favor as to whether or not Pavlik will actually get the nod.

Anyway, he hung in pretty tight with Hopkins two times, and Wright, so he deserves some form of credit, I suppose. But yeah.. as time has gone on, he's shown no will to being a true champion. Hopkins may have been 90% money motivated since beating Trinidad, but atleast he still went in and fought like he was still the champ. At this point and time, Taylor's more than happy to just hold his title way up over his head, rather than actually defending it. He even vaguely admitted so after his fight with Spinks, when he said something to the effect of " I'm the champ, if he wants to be the champ he has to TAKE it ".. which pretty much translates into Taylor believing he can just coast through a fight without having to put any real effort into it.

[KillerInstinct]

What's better, wiping out opponents who are not on your skill level or having close fights with the best of the division?

Enough of this crap, I see a lot of people saying "Man! I wish fighters would take more risks and fight better opposition!" Jermain Taylor does this, and of course if you fight that sort of talent, it's not going to be a cakewalk. And now cause he is doing what people want, he gets critized for having such close fights by the SAME PEOPLE! Screw you guys!

It's sad, even if JT takes the fight with Pavlik, all these Taylor haters are going to be excited thinking about Pavlik KOing Taylor (I think it's a 50/50 fight and no way Pavlik would 'destroy' Taylor), I wouldn't be suprised if Taylor got no respect for taking the fight in the first place.

Well, I guess all I can do is sit back, and watch all these idiots who say that "Taylor will eventually lose". Yes, eventually he will..I am pretty sure every fighter will eventually lose unless the retire early.

[C Money]

What's better, wiping out opponents who are not on your skill level or having close fights with the best of the division?

Enough of this crap, I see a lot of people saying "Man! I wish fighters would take more risks and fight better opposition!" Jermain Taylor does this, and of course if you fight that sort of talent, it's not going to be a cakewalk. And now cause he is doing what people want, he gets critized for having such close fights by the SAME PEOPLE! Screw you guys!

It's sad, even if JT takes the fight with Pavlik, all these Taylor haters are going to be excited thinking about Pavlik KOing Taylor (I think it's a 50/50 fight and no way Pavlik would 'destroy' Taylor), I wouldn't be suprised if Taylor got no respect for taking the fight in the first place.

Well, I guess all I can do is sit back, and watch all these idiots who say that "Taylor will eventually lose". Yes, eventually he will..I am pretty sure every fighter will eventually lose unless the retire early.

Taylor beat Pavlik in amateurs and they have proved out to be the top 2 160's in the world. Taylor IS WILLING TO FIGHT/FACE the best. People can dislike him or his style if they choose, but SHOULD respect at least that much:good

[jazzboy]

Here's how I scored Taylor's fights with Hopkins and Wright:

Hopkins 1: 114-114
Hopkins 2: 114-114
Wright: 114-114

There are people on both sides of the fence that say Jermain won 1, 2, or all of those fights, and there are some who say he lost 1, 2, or all of those fights.

For me, no matter what way you slice it, Taylor has proven to be trouble for the cream of the crop. Hopkins had a decade of dominance before Taylor and immediately looked dominant again in his return at 175. You can argue he lost any of those fights, but that doesn't change the fact that he's shown he can hang with the elite guys in the sport and give them trouble, even if he doesn't overwhelm us in the process.

I can easily call out any undefeated fighter right now waiting for his inevitable loss and then claim I told all of you that he was overhyped. If Jermain ends up beating Pavlik, there will still be people saying "Big deal, Jermain beat a guy who only got his hype by beating an overrated, weight-drained Miranda. Jermain will get schooled, you'll see."

Wow, it's really reaching out on a limb when you predict that a guy who's had close and controversial decisions and continues to fight top names is going to lose a fight.

Thank you this was very well put:amen

[sean]

hard fight next up for jermain , if he comes through it he will have proved all his doubters wrong.

i thought taylor beat wright .

hopkins simply fought absolutley stupid 2 fights with taylor.

i dont care who you fight if you do not let your hands go for 12 out of 24 rounds you are 12 rounds down v anybody .

5 punches a round just does not cut it.

[audio101]

I've been saying this exact same thing since the Hopkins fights. This guy is nothing but HBO hyped, overrated trash. He'll be exposed soon for the complete fraud he is.

But as far as his chin goes I think it's decent. At the very least it's average. His downfall will be more due to his bad defense rather than his chin.

Trash, then how come Hopkins or Winky couldn't out box him? :huh

[compukiller]

Come on everyone, just admit that this guy is ripe for the picking, going downhill fast and has done nothing worthy of P4P rankings except for recieving 2 gift wins over Hopkins and 1 gift draw over Wright, then a sloppy win over an overrated 154 pound light hitting swarmer and a legitimate, but "barely" winning effort against an average sized LMW whom any P4P MIDDLE would have DECIMATED. The hilarious thing is that fanboys predicted he'd be an "ATG" before the Wright fight happened......;)

Fuck Jermain Taylor, the joker is going down soon and will be brutally KTFO, cementing him in the soon to be remade 2007 Chin Checklist as checked off cracked.

Bye bye Jermain.:hi:

You won't be missed when it comes.:yep

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Bhop exposed him as limited, Winky spanked him, Little Ouma pushed him around, and Spinks Outclassed him.

Pavlik will end him once and for all.:yep :good

[El Bombasto]

If he's so bad what does that say about Hopkins and Winky.....

:yep :yep

If Taylor sucks, Hopkins most definitely swallows

[Zakman]

:happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy

Bhop exposed him as limited, Winky spanked him, Little Ouma pushed him around, and Spinks Outclassed him.

Pavlik will end him once and for all.:yep :good

Indeed he will. Pavlik is gonna destroy this fraud. Early too. :yep

[Lance_Uppercut]

Here's how I scored Taylor's fights with Hopkins and Wright:

Hopkins 1: 114-114
Hopkins 2: 114-114
Wright: 114-114

There are people on both sides of the fence that say Jermain won 1, 2, or all of those fights, and there are some who say he lost 1, 2, or all of those fights.

For me, no matter what way you slice it, Taylor has proven to be trouble for the cream of the crop. Hopkins had a decade of dominance before Taylor and immediately looked dominant again in his return at 175. You can argue he lost any of those fights, but that doesn't change the fact that he's shown he can hang with the elite guys in the sport and give them trouble, even if he doesn't overwhelm us in the process.

I can easily call out any undefeated fighter right now waiting for his inevitable loss and then claim I told all of you that he was overhyped. If Jermain ends up beating Pavlik, there will still be people saying "Big deal, Jermain beat a guy who only got his hype by beating an overrated, weight-drained Miranda. Jermain will get schooled, you'll see."

Wow, it's really reaching out on a limb when you predict that a guy who's had close and controversial decisions and continues to fight top names is going to lose a fight.

Thank you for introducing some common sense. :thumbsup

[compukiller]

Indeed he will. Pavlik is gonna destroy this fraud. Early too. :yep

It won't go six.:deal

[KillerInstinct]

Again, I have no idea how people can say Taylor sucks when both B-Hop and Wright couldn't beat him convincingly. All the people who scored the fight for B-Hop and Wright act as if it was a 120-108 shutout. Guarantee that their scorecards were 115-114 or something like that..but nope, Winky "spanked" Taylor. Hell, after the Winky-Taylor fight, most people thought Taylor won.

Jermain Taylor has a lot to work on, he has not improved the last 2 years and has not won convincingy in a while, but the hypocritical analysis of Taylor is getting old. The guy is a good fighter, he held his own vs P4P talent.

[ThePlugInBabies]

if anyone is going to get exposed it's gonna be the new hype job pavlik. taylor hung with hopkins and wright, yet pavlik is gonna come in and rape taylor, then move up and smash calzaghe and kessler out of the ring, apparently.

[compukiller]

Again, I have no idea how people can say Taylor sucks when both B-Hop and Wright couldn't beat him convincingly. All the people who scored the fight for B-Hop and Wright act as if it was a 120-108 shutout. Guarantee that their scorecards were 115-114 or something like that..but nope, Winky "spanked" Taylor. Hell, after the Winky-Taylor fight, most people thought Taylor won.

Jermain Taylor has a lot to work on, he has not improved the last 2 years and has not won convincingy in a while, but the hypocritical analysis of Taylor is getting old. The guy is a good fighter, he held his own vs P4P talent.

He once had potential, but it is clear these fights with p4p talent have taken thier toll, irrefutable after his dismal performance against litgh hitting Spinks.

HBO has done a near masterful job of hyping this guy to the public as the next great 160 pounder, but he is not, no matter how many gifts decisions he gets.

The hype has ruined Jermaine Taylor, and it will be complete very soon. Maybe then, he can go back to the drawing board and make some desperately needed improvemnts and become the fighter everyone says he is, but everyone knows he's not.

[KillerInstinct]

He survived against Winky and Hops simply because of his talent and the fact that both guys are elite, but very complacent fighters who were a little too intimidated of Taylor's talent to fully exploit all his shortcomings. Taylor would get raped by a more aggressive elite fighter like Calzaghe for example.

So it's Taylor's fault for the way Wright and Hopkins fought? What happened to the Hopkins who always executed his game plan perfectly? So you're telling me that Taylor is an overrated bum because he gave Wright and Hopkins problems? Re-explain your theory to me, because it doesn't make sense.

I agree with you in a Calzaghe vs Taylor fight. Calzaghe, I think, is a fighter who would beat up Taylor. He would easily out-work Taylor with his speed combinations and he is strong enough to not get bullied around by Taylor natural physical abilities.

[compukiller]

if anyone is going to get exposed it's gonna be the new hype job pavlik. taylor hung with hopkins and wright, yet pavlik is gonna come in and rape taylor, then move up and smash calzaghe and kessler out of the ring, apparently.

If he comes in to fight Pavlik in the same mode as the Spinks fight, he will be humiliated.

[RAMPAGE0017]

Again, I have no idea how people can say Taylor sucks when both B-Hop and Wright couldn't beat him convincingly. All the people who scored the fight for B-Hop and Wright act as if it was a 120-108 shutout. Guarantee that their scorecards were 115-114 or something like that..but nope, Winky "spanked" Taylor. Hell, after the Winky-Taylor fight, most people thought Taylor won.

Jermain Taylor has a lot to work on, he has not improved the last 2 years and has not won convincingy in a while, but the hypocritical analysis of Taylor is getting old. The guy is a good fighter, he held his own vs P4P talent.


I gave him the benefit of a doubt in his fights with BHop and Winky, but not Ouma and Spinks. I thought for absolute sure he would've starched Spinks, he had so many advantages to take charge of that fight, but he just chose not to. And I think that's why the majority of people are giving him shit.. he's merely doing just enough to survive, and as long as he feels the judges will always give him the nod when fights cut closely, he will continue to do so.

[RAMPAGE0017]

People are underestimating Pavlik again, which is laughable. Not only was he taking flush shots from one of the best punchers in the division, but he also spotted a weakness that nobody else Miranda has ever fought was able to spot. He spotted the fact that Miranda wasn't good at fighting backwards and he was RIGHT. Anybody who thinks Pavlik is just gonna let Taylor play this fight as safely as possible is thoroughly mistaking. He's gonna take Taylor to deep waters.

[Zakman]

HBO has done a near masterful job of hyping this guy to the public as the next great 160 pounder, but he is not, no matter how many gifts decisions he gets.

Yup. HBO ripped off Hopkins and Wright and tried to pump up this fraud as the next big thing, but the boxing public knows better now. You can't turn water into wine, even if you are the most powerful network into the sport!! :yep

[IntentionalButt]

If he's so bad what does that say about Hopkins and Winky.....

that they got hornswaggled?


i'm going to be as happy as anyone when this guy finally gets his come-uppance, but i have a feeling the huggers won't be going away when it does. he's one of those guys that will still have some ardent supporters no matter what, like tarver.

[KillerInstinct]

I didn't say he was a bum I said he's overhyped and not what anyone would consider a true dominant champion.

But how does my theory not make sense? It's clear that both Wright and Hopkins had clear technical and skill advantages over Jermain but because they're partially cautious fighters they failed to take full advantage of Taylor's vulnerabilities.

How is the guy overhyped is practically 75 percent of boxing fans here think he sucks ass? If you're talking about simply HBO, sure he is overhyped. But overall, with the entire media and boxing fans included, this guy is not overhyped by any means.

Your theory doesn't make sense to me because you are playing the "what could of happened" card. B-Hop had a chance in the rematch to fight more aggresively, why didn't he?? Whether people like it or not, Taylor competes with the best fighters. You're right, Taylor hasn't been a dominant champion and I am probably just fuming at my overall anger at some hypocrite fans here but I read that most people want to see fighters fight the best. JT has done this and people want to see dominant wins. The only fight that JT should of dominated in his recent performances was Spinks..and wasn't Spinks the ring #1 Light Middleweight (I could very well be wrong here). He clearly did beat the other former 154 fighter, Kassim Ouma.

Overall, it just ticks me off to see some boxing fans say that they wish fighters would fight better opponents and not care about being undefeated. Then they tell someone who does what they want that they aren't being dominant enough. Idiotic to say the least.

[Zakman]

Overall, it just ticks me off to see some boxing fans say that they wish fighters would fight better opponents and not care about being undefeated. Then they tell someone who does what they want that they aren't being dominant enough. Idiotic to say the least.

You don't get it man, it's the GIFT DECISIONS. Taylor was "competitive," sure - but he should have LOST three fights in a row, and he WOULD have if it wasn't for the power of HBO, and most boxing fans know it!! That's what the fans are pissed about, and they SHOULD be!:fire

[The Italarican]

What I don't understand is who is overhyping him RIGHT NOW? People on this board hate him, and the others are frustrated with his recent performances. Then, you have HBO, who initially was giddy that Taylor stepped up to Hopkins, but have you really heard much hype from them through the Ouma and Spinks broadcasts? They seemed concerned about him too.

You know who's overhyping? The people who want to see Taylor lose. They all know it'll happen and need there to be a group against them saying he's the bestest so they can say "Told you so!" A year ago, sure, there was a lot of praise, but the only hype job now is from the Anti-Taylor bandwagon. They need him to be up so they can take him down when he loses.

[Zakman]

You know who's overhyping? The people who want to see Taylor lose. They all know it'll happen and need there to be a group against them saying he's the bestest so they can say "Told you so!" A year ago, sure, there was a lot of praise, but the only hype job now is from the Anti-Taylor bandwagon. They need him to be up so they can take him down when he loses.

Don't look at me, man - I've been saying the same thing about Taylor since DAY ONE, when he got his first gift-wrapped HBO decision. There were only a few of us back then who said this guy was over-hyped, shouldn't be on the P4P list, etc. And Taylor has done NOTHING but prove us right ever since. And he WILL get starched by Pavlik. I might add I was saying THAT before the Miranda fight, too. :yep

[Amsterdam]

Come on everyone, just admit that this guy is ripe for the picking, going downhill fast and has done nothing worthy of P4P rankings except for recieving 2 gift wins over Hopkins and 1 gift draw over Wright, then a sloppy win over an overrated 154 pound light hitting swarmer and a legitimate, but "barely" winning effort against an average sized LMW whom any P4P MIDDLE would have DECIMATED. The hilarious thing is that fanboys predicted he'd be an "ATG" before the Wright fight happened......;)

Fuck Jermain Taylor, the joker is going down soon and will be brutally KTFO, cementing him in the soon to be remade 2007 Chin Checklist as checked off cracked.

Bye bye Jermain.:hi:

You won't be missed when it comes.:yep

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

They damn well did! Too bad about the extensive checklist being lost, but we'll have a place for this joke in the pound for pound chinless rankings.

[Boinko]

Its so hard to look good against Spinks no matter who you are, and the first Hopkins fight shouldve been a draw (I had 6 rounds a piece) and the Winky fight should've went to Taylor.

Well, on your scoreboard, sure. But in very close fights like those three, it's natural that not everyone is going to score the same.
The problem on this board is that everyone expects that in close fights the judges scorecards should match their scorecard exactly. If that doesn't happen it's labelled as "robbery" or "a gift wrapped decisions."
Sure, there are definitely bad decisions in boxing, but Jermain's three very close fights were not bad decisions.
You just have many bitter revisionists who can't handle the idea that Jermain was even competitive against Hopkins and Wright, let alone victorious.

[BigReg]

I'm sorry but I picked against Taylor twice with b-hop and with Wright but I clearly saw two wins and a draw.


Everyone has their bias and opinions and are entitled to such, but I cannot give Taylor as much shit as so many. What you have is a Champion who has been willing to fight and take on the best. It's a damn shame a lot of other Champ's dont have that same mentality:good

At least taylor will make/take the fights that will someday perhaps give his detractors what they seek:yep

Good post. I'm a huge Hopkins fan, and I thought Hopkins lost both those fights. I have no idea how someone could call those gift decisions, same goes for the fight with Winky. Go watch Whitaker/Chavez or Lewis/Holyfield I if you want to see a gift decision. Here's another thing, Jermain Taylor is not judging the fights. There's no reason to hate him because the judges felt that he won the fight. Taylor fears no one and always gives it his all out there, and tries to please the fans. He tried to give Winky a rematch, it was obvious he was desparately seeking a KO when he fought Ouma so that he could please the fans. He tried to make fights with Mora, Abraham, Castilliejo,and Strum and they all said no. And now he's fighting a guy who everyone says is the biggest threat to him at MW. I certainly don't think that Jermain has displayed elite talent in his last few fights, but he's fighting the best out there, which is what a true champion is supposed to do. It's not like he's some guy defending a paper championship on his home turf against bums before finally deciding to fight legitimate challengers at the age of 34. It's not like he won one big fight and then tried to live off that one victory for almost 2 years while defending his title against past and future fighters from the contender and backing out against a tough challenger one weight class higher because of "injury".

[brooklyn1550]

He was competitive twice against Bernard Hopkins (won 'em both) and drew with Winky Wright...he's a good fighter, just not quite what people were expecting when he was coming up through the ranks.

[marauder1999]

And from that, what does it say about the entire American boxing scene. It tells us that it is built up on lies.

Why do you have to say ---"american boxing scene?" Another Brit thinking that you are oh so godly is it??

[Zakman]

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

They damn well did! Too bad about the extensive checklist being lost, but we'll have a place for this joke in the pound for pound chinless rankings.

That we will. HBO won't be able to get Taylor another gift decision when he's out cold on the canvas. :yep

[sues2nd]

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

They damn well did! Too bad about the extensive checklist being lost, but we'll have a place for this joke in the pound for pound chinless rankings.

Did you just QUOTE YOURSELF???

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Lacyace]

Did you just QUOTE YOURSELF???

:lol: :lol: :lol:

:lol:

Maybe this guy has more than one username....:think

[nezy37]

the JT hate here is ridiculus. WTF do you people want. Who isn't an overhyped fraud. The guy fights the best of the best and at the very least is in fights that could have gone either way. When he beats Pavlik will you give him some cred or just make more excuses?

[sues2nd]

the JT hate here is ridiculus. WTF do you people want. Who isn't an overhyped fraud. The guy fights the best of the best and at the very least is in fights that could have gone either way. When he beats Pavlik will you give him some cred or just make more excuses?

Ive been trying to tell them that.

They think because he got the nod in 3 close fights (I had him 0-1-2 in them) vs 2 of the best fighters of this generation and because he then fought two former champions (and very good fighters btw) who were naturally smaller men that he is a hype job.

When he beats Pavlik (which I feel is inevitable), they will say that Kelly is a hypejob and not give Taylor credit for that one. Its lose/lose.

[Amsterdam]

Did you just QUOTE YOURSELF???

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Yes, that was on purpose for the effect of reviving this thread.:yep

[sues2nd]

Yes, that was on purpose for the effect of reviving this thread.:yep

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[Amsterdam]

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Not quite, but I was looking through my threads to find the 'p4p worst chins' thread so I could update, but I also saw one entitled 'fuck jermain taylor' and found it fitting for a glorious return.

...For collective enjoyment, not just my own.:yep

[klion22]

Just a little more than a month away. I can't wait to see the JT haters eat their own words. And there are a lot of them for some reason.

[sues2nd]

Not quite, but I was looking through my threads to find the 'p4p worst chins' thread so I could update, but I also saw one entitled 'fuck jermain taylor' and found it fitting for a glorious return.

...For collective enjoyment, not just my own.:yep

:lol:

[JETSKI]

I'm not Anti-Taylor...I'm just Pro-Pavlik. I like everything I see in Kelly. And people that say he's "sloppy" are using that as an excuse to belittle his skills. His "sloppiness" is his workrate. You can't load up on absolutely every punch. So he keeps his hands moving & when he's picks his spot, he'll load up. Thats why he always manages to catch his opponent. And once caught, the end is always near. Taylor will be no different. Kelly will smother him & keep him on his back foot like he did against Edison.

This fight is getting closer...:cool:

5+ weeks.

[Napuis]

He survived against Winky and Hops simply because of his talent and the fact that both guys are elite, but very complacent fighters who were a little too intimidated of Taylor's talent to fully exploit all his shortcomings. Taylor would get raped by a more aggressive elite fighter like Calzaghe for example.

Whas, a world champion of over ten years at a higher division than his own natural weight you mean?

[TroubleLurks]

I just can't understand how some people call the draw with winky a "gift". That fight was the perfect definition of a draw. Taylor is going to redeem himself after that terrible outing against Spinks. I can see this fight being exciting in spots but mainly a onesided beatdown in favor of Taylor.:deal

[JETSKI]

I just can't understand how some people call the draw with winky a "gift". That fight was the perfect definition of a draw. Taylor is going to redeem himself after that terrible outing against Spinks. I can see this fight being exciting in spots but mainly a onesided beatdown in favor of Taylor.:deal

...onesided beatdown?

I doubt it.

[Fab2333]

...onesided beatdown?

I doubt it.
yup, I think Taylor is going to outbox pavilik, he is way 2 hyped 4 me. while pavilik has good power in both hands, he is very easy to hit. He doesnt move much, and looks sloppy at times. This will b JT first fight with an orthodox fighter since B-Hop. I think JT is locked in 4 this fight, all the flack he ahs been catchin, he is going to unleash on Pavilik. JT is going to woop him

[Axe]

Come on everyone, just admit that this guy is ripe for the picking, going downhill fast and has done nothing worthy of P4P rankings except for recieving 2 gift wins over Hopkins and 1 gift draw over Wright, then a sloppy win over an overrated 154 pound light hitting swarmer and a legitimate, but "barely" winning effort against an average sized LMW whom any P4P MIDDLE would have DECIMATED. The hilarious thing is that fanboys predicted he'd be an "ATG" before the Wright fight happened......;)

Fuck Jermain Taylor, the joker is going down soon and will be brutally KTFO, cementing him in the soon to be remade 2007 Chin Checklist as checked off cracked.

Bye bye Jermain.:hi:

You won't be missed when it comes.:yep

The only thing stranger than your hate for Taylor is the Pavlik hype that has crept into this forum. Does it stem from the fact that he's rated higher than Calzaghe P4P? :yep

[Axe]

yup, I think Taylor is going to outbox pavilik, he is way 2 hyped 4 me. while pavilik has good power in both hands, he is very easy to hit. He doesnt move much, and looks sloppy at times. This will b JT first fight with an orthodox fighter since B-Hop. I think JT is locked in 4 this fight, all the flack he ahs been catchin, he is going to unleash on Pavilik. JT is going to woop him

The Pavlik hype is a bit over the top on this forum. Kelly is still very unproven to this point, though that doesn't mean he can't win against Taylor.

[psychopath]

Come on everyone, just admit that this guy is ripe for the picking, going downhill fast and has done nothing worthy of P4P rankings except for recieving 2 gift wins over Hopkins and 1 gift draw over Wright, then a sloppy win over an overrated 154 pound light hitting swarmer and a legitimate, but "barely" winning effort against an average sized LMW whom any P4P MIDDLE would have DECIMATED. The hilarious thing is that fanboys predicted he'd be an "ATG" before the Wright fight happened......;)

Fuck Jermain Taylor, the joker is going down soon and will be brutally KTFO, cementing him in the soon to be remade 2007 Chin Checklist as checked off cracked.

Bye bye Jermain.:hi:

You won't be missed when it comes.:yep

F@ck Taylor?

What buddy getting more desperate?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Relax . . . fightime is just around the corner. :D

:good

[JETSKI]

The Pavlik hype is a bit over the top on this forum. Kelly is still very unproven to this point, though that doesn't mean he can't win against Taylor.

Your last sentence is so true. Maybe thats why I'm nervous (but confident) about this fight. And I hope I'm not considered in the catagory of "hypers" around here. I respect Taylor for what he's accomplished. Kellys worked extremely long & hard to get to this point. I've been following his career a few years & these are very exciting times for Pavlik fans. Its gonna be crazy come fight week!

[Axe]

Your last sentence is so true. Maybe thats why I'm nervous (but confident) about this fight. And I hope I'm not considered in the catagory of "hypers" around here. I respect Taylor for what he's accomplished. Kellys worked extremely long & hard to get to this point. I've been following his career a few years & these are very exciting times for Pavlik fans. Its gonna be crazy come fight week!


No, you're just a Pavlik fan Jetski. Unless I start seeing you proclaiming a Pavlik domination. :good

[Marnoff]

Well Hops has never been a huge banger but I think he has decent pop at middle. I mean just look at some of B-Hops most recent fights and you'll see that in almost all of them he's been able to either hurt, or drop his opponents with just a single right hand. So the fact that Taylor was just hurt and didn't go down from that right in the 10th, maybe says more good things about Taylor's chin rather than bad. Hops himself said taylor had a very good chin. I wouldn't go that far but it seems okay to me.

Well, the prime ferocious Hopkins likely knocks Taylor out with a combination of ruthless body work, tremendous infighting, and just constantly outslicking him and making Taylor miss his bombs.

[Marnoff]

Getting KO'd by Kelly Pavlik hardly means you have a glass jaw.

Ah, another Miranda sympathizer.