changing race

[rendog67]

I know it shouldn't especially not nowadays but if you changed the following fighters races how would they be judged would it be any different?

Rocky Marciano - coloured
Cassius Clay - white
Roy Jones - white
Floyd - white
the klitschkos - coloured


or any others?

[runnynose]

You mean would they have had the same kind or number of opportunities to shine as they did if their race was different? I tend to think their race wouldn't have made a difference. Real talent will almost always come to the surface. Perhaps what would have mattered more was their geographical or political situation. If they had lived far away from the U.S., or their government was too closed, withdrawn or ethnophobic (is that even the right word?), I doubt they would have been discovered as quickly as they were.

[rendog67]

You mean would they have had the same kind or number of opportunities to shine as they did if their race was different? I tend to think their race wouldn't have made a difference. Real talent will almost always come to the surface. Perhaps what would have mattered more was their geographical or political situation. If they had lived far away from the U.S., or their government was too closed, withdrawn or ethnophobic (is that even the right word?), I doubt they would have been discovered as quickly as they were.

That is fair enough i just think bigger white guys especially heavies back in the day would normally get KTFO so was just wondering peoples thoughts were. But that was the reply i expected

[jonesjrp4p1]

jack johnson - white
sonny liston - white

[The Whaler]

A white Jack Johnson would have been one of the most beloved men of his time.

[Thread Stealer]

Sam Langford and Ezzard Charles if they were white, would've been even greater because they would've had more opportunities.

[Stinky gloves]

Floyd Maweather - white ... he would be put in jail for being offensive moron

[WhataRock]

While we are one this topic what the hell is Fergie??

She white, black or hispanic. They seem to try and market her as all of them.

[cuchulain]

I know it shouldn't especially not nowadays but if you changed the following fighters races how would they be judged would it be any different?

Rocky Marciano - coloured
Cassius Clay - white
Roy Jones - white
Floyd - white
the klitschkos - coloured


or any others?


How would Michael Jackson's career have developed if he'd been white?

Oops.

I just remembered...

[boxbible]

Klitschko's - coloured

They woulda been beaten to death by neo-Nazis in Russia a while back...

[boxbible]

You mean would they have had the same kind or number of opportunities to shine as they did if their race was different? I tend to think their race wouldn't have made a difference. Real talent will almost always come to the surface. Perhaps what would have mattered more was their geographical or political situation. If they had lived far away from the U.S., or their government was too closed, withdrawn or ethnophobic (is that even the right word?), I doubt they would have been discovered as quickly as they were.

You need to visit the rest of the world...

In Africa alone, you get people who are deprived of opportunities simply because of their tribal affiliations. Like in Ghana, if you're not from the Ga tribe, you're not likely gonna get any opportunites in boxing unless you get out of Ghana.

I'm sure in Russia, the white, western Russians get way more opportunities than the Siberian-Oriental ones.

In the US, you got kids like Arturo Gatti, Vinnie Paz, Yuri Foreman, Dimitry Salita and other white kids get way more opportunities than blacks and hispanics. Look at Wayne McCullough and Oscar Larios, two comparable fighters talent-wise and stylewise. There is no question who had more opportunity.

Imagine if Emmanuel Augustus was white??? He'd be the next Willie Pep. If Hopkins was caucasian, it wouldn't have taken him fifteen years to make a name, or money.

To say that real talent will almost always come to the surface is being pretty naive. The human race is a xenophobic lot. It's built-in and it takes quite an effort to over-ride it.

[2smart4u]

A white Jack Johnson would have been one of the most beloved men of his time.:lol: The BLACK JACK was liked by more then you are led to beleive !

[PH|LLA]

You need to visit the rest of the world...

In Africa alone, you get people who are deprived of opportunities simply because of their tribal affiliations. Like in Ghana, if you're not from the Ga tribe, you're not likely gonna get any opportunites in boxing unless you get out of Ghana.

I'm sure in Russia, the white, western Russians get way more opportunities than the Siberian-Oriental ones.

In the US, you got kids like Arturo Gatti, Vinnie Paz, Yuri Foreman, Dimitry Salita and other white kids get way more opportunities than blacks and hispanics. Look at Wayne McCullough and Oscar Larios, two comparable fighters talent-wise and stylewise. There is no question who had more opportunity.

Imagine if Emmanuel Augustus was white??? He'd be the next Willie Pep. If Hopkins was caucasian, it wouldn't have taken him fifteen years to make a name, or money.

To say that real talent will almost always come to the surface is being pretty naive. The human race is a xenophobic lot. It's built-in and it takes quite an effort to over-ride it.
ahhahahaha this is the biggest cry baby bullshit post ive ever heard

ORCAR LARIOS??? :rofl

stop crying and moaning. Hopkins didn't get popular cause his style is not crowd pleasing and he didn't wanna sign with a big name promoter.

[Thread Stealer]

You need to visit the rest of the world...

In Africa alone, you get people who are deprived of opportunities simply because of their tribal affiliations. Like in Ghana, if you're not from the Ga tribe, you're not likely gonna get any opportunites in boxing unless you get out of Ghana.

I'm sure in Russia, the white, western Russians get way more opportunities than the Siberian-Oriental ones.

In the US, you got kids like Arturo Gatti, Vinnie Paz, Yuri Foreman, Dimitry Salita and other white kids get way more opportunities than blacks and hispanics. Look at Wayne McCullough and Oscar Larios, two comparable fighters talent-wise and stylewise. There is no question who had more opportunity.

Imagine if Emmanuel Augustus was white??? He'd be the next Willie Pep. If Hopkins was caucasian, it wouldn't have taken him fifteen years to make a name, or money.

To say that real talent will almost always come to the surface is being pretty naive. The human race is a xenophobic lot. It's built-in and it takes quite an effort to over-ride it.

:lol:

[the mean machine]

I do agree that white fighters have more occasions than fighters from other races. However we can't get carried away and say compare Augustus to Pep. Now that's blasphemy.

[DoumB]

I do agree that white fighters have more occasions than fighters from other races. However we can't get carried away and say compare Augustus to Pep. Now that's blasphemy.

This is complete BS, come in north america, ull see that black/hispanics and every colored man as as much if not more opportunities then whites

[Dorfmeister]

There is no doubt in my mind that the Klitschko brothers are highly educated and consumate Gents who seek to achive only personal goals as sportsmen but their fanbase in the US has a lot to do with the GWH psychological phenomena such as Gerry Cooney in the 80s and Tommy Morrison in the 90s... Maybe cause it became uncommon for caucasians to win HWT Championship fights there so emphatically as Vitaly and Wladimir have done, they could have gotten a legion of followers over there... I would like to state that that is a social issue and my contribution to this thread cannot be understood as racial bias or offensive cause I respect each and every fighter and fan - believe it or not, the same and exact content of my message have taken me to be banned from another known Boxing Forum which I can only qualify as unfair and outrageous. We r only 1, Peace

[BigEars]

Wayne McCullough won an Olympic Silver medal(losing to Joel Casamayor) Oscar Larios did not , I think that has a hell of a lot to do with it too .

[box03]

I dont think it matters all that much, whys holyfield so popular its because hes good and had a good fighting style. It doesnt matter what color you are, if your good you will shine black or white.