Who did Tszyu beat?

[MacManJr.]

I'm not trying to talk down on KT or anything like that. I actually like KT. I seriously never saw any of his fighst before Zab though. Who else did he beat that had a good resume?

[MacManJr.]

Somebody help me out or is the answer nobody? lol

[sues2nd]

Judah, Leija, Gonzales, Hurtado, Old Chavez, Old Mayweather, Mitchell, etc.

Does he have a GREAT resume...not really. A good one tho.

Still he WAS a great fighter (tho not as great as some of the Aussie posters make him out to be).

[MacManJr.]

Thank you for replying. I did see him demolish Sharmba. By Old Mayweather do you mean Roger?

[MacManJr.]

- Beat someone of LaPorte's experience in his 4th fight.
- Whooped Bramble in his 10th.
- Outboxed tough, tricky Lopez who was ranked in the top 10.
- Beat 40-1 Angel Hernandez who had only been beaten by Chavez
- Stopped Rodriguez for the title.
- Dominated Mayweather over 12.
- Lost to Phillips.
- Dominated Ruelas.
- Stopped Hurtado, who had given Whitaker a life-and-death experience before hand, flooring him twice.
- Stopped Gonzales, who had gone 12 with DLH.
- Stopped Chavez.
- Stopped Judah to unify the Jr. Welterweight titles.
- Crushed Mitchell in rematch.

These are the most notable of his career. I'd sayOnce again thanks. I like KT. I just need to find some of his old fights and watch them.

[Drew101]

- Beat someone of LaPorte's experience in his 4th fight.
- Whooped Bramble in his 10th.
- Outboxed tough, tricky Lopez who was ranked in the top 10.
- Beat 40-1 Angel Hernandez who had only been beaten by Chavez
- Stopped Rodriguez for the title.
- Dominated Mayweather over 12.
- Lost to Phillips.
- Dominated Ruelas.
- Stopped Hurtado, who had given Whitaker a life-and-death experience before hand, flooring him twice.
- Stopped Gonzales, who had gone 12 with DLH.
- Stopped Chavez.
- Stopped Judah to unify the Jr. Welterweight titles.
- Crushed Mitchell in rematch.

These are the most notable of his career. I'd say

It's fair to say that Chavez was done like dinner at that point, having lost in his previous fight to Willy Wise. To be fair, Tackie was in very good form, and it was one of his best performances. Probably better to put that win in place of JCC.

[Nico]

Once again thanks. I like KT. I just need to find some of his old fights and watch them.


If you're looking for some of his better performances, you should check out his fights against Rodriguez, Ruelas, Gonzalez, Hurtado, and Mitchell II. Maybe some wouldn't put Hurtado in there, since KT was down twice in the first round. But he recovered after that and gave Diobelys an ass whooping and a half. There were some brutal body punches in there, I still love watching this one from time to time.

And I might put the Tackie fight in there too. Even though Tackie never ended up accomplishing all that much in his career, Kostya completely and utterly outboxes him and it's fun to watch some of the different combinations he uses, as well as how he only slightly moves his head to make Tackie miss most of his punches.

[MacManJr.]

If you're looking for some of his better performances, you should check out his fights against Rodriguez, Ruelas, Gonzalez, Hurtado, and Mitchell II. Maybe some wouldn't put Hurtado in there, since KT was down twice in the first round. But he recovered after that and gave Diobelys an ass whooping and a half. There were some brutal body punches in there, I still love watching this one from time to time.

And I might put the Tackie fight in there too. Even though Tackie never ended up accomplishing all that much in his career, Kostya completely and utterly outboxes him and it's fun to watch some of the different combinations he uses, as well as how he only slightly moves his head to make Tackie miss most of his punches.I was waiting for him to do that and drill Hatton with 1 of those signature straight rights.

[maciek4]

HE beat Mitchell twice but also take into concideration that Mitchell was in his prime at that time and was the #1 guy at the time and a champion. When we look at Mitchell now, those wins dont look that good, but at that time they were spectacular. Same with Zab Judah, he was in his physical prime at the time Tszue beat him, right now Judah is past his prime.

[BigEars]

I truly thought that Zab Judah was going to beat KT. That first round Zab came out strong and was destroing KT. The next round was slow and then it happened. 20/20 hindsight shows that Zab would alway's have trouble with the elite. But as far as they hype this was his biggest victory.

Tszyu often sized opponents up in the 1st and used it as a feeling out round .
While many often say Zab was destroying Tszyu , Tszyu was just finding his range and getting everything set up . Tszyu was winning the second round till he caught Zab with that right .

[dave82]

I thought his fight against Jan Piet Bergman was a good one too. Jan was 32-0 going into this fight, and it was one brutal knockout!

[Relentless]

his resume is good not great but i dont understand why fans make him out to be some kind of all time great, i mean i once tried making an example with tszyu and cotto and his fans were like 'dont compare cotto to someone like tszyu'

[dave82]

his resume is good not great but i dont understand why fans make him out to be some kind of all time great, i mean i once tried making an example with tszyu and cotto and his fans were like 'dont compare cotto to someone like tszyu'

He is without doubt one of the great jnr welterweights of our time.

[Relentless]

for doing what? the best fighters he beat are judah and sharmba.

[dave82]

for doing what? the best fighters he beat are judah and sharmba.

I'm not going to bother, If you have seen his resume/achievements as an amatuer and professional and aren't convinced, then theres nothing much i can say or do. IMO he is one of the great jnr welterweights of our time.:hi:

[MSTR]

Judah, Leija, Gonzales, Hurtado, Old Chavez, Old Mayweather, Mitchell, etc.

Does he have a GREAT resume...not really. A good one tho.

Still he WAS a great fighter (tho not as great as some of the Aussie posters make him out to be).
Throwing stones inside your glass house I see. You guys are always complaining about people making generalizations about US posters, but here you are doing the exact same thing. KT had a lot of talent, better IMO then his resume actually shows. From discussions I have had in the aussie forum regarding KT most people simply think he was a great exciting fighter. I have yet to see anyone who thinks he is a top ATG based on resume or even ability for that matter.

[dave82]

Throwing stones inside your glass house I see. You guys are always complaining about people making generalizations about US posters, but here you are doing the exact same thing. KT had a lot of talent, better IMO then his resume actually shows. From discussions I have had in the aussie forum regarding KT most people simply think he was a great exciting fighter. I have yet to see anyone who thinks he is a top ATG based on resume or even ability for that matter.

I agree with your post, maybe he is not an ATG, however I do believe he was a great jnr welterweight

[Shake]

You guys can sort out the details regarding Tszyu. Whenever I read his name, I can only think about one thing.

What a straight right hand.

[sues2nd]

Throwing stones inside your glass house I see. You guys are always complaining about people making generalizations about US posters, but here you are doing the exact same thing. KT had a lot of talent, better IMO then his resume actually shows. From discussions I have had in the aussie forum regarding KT most people simply think he was a great exciting fighter. I have yet to see anyone who thinks he is a top ATG based on resume or even ability for that matter.

WHOA!!!!

If you look in some of the post about KT....there have been some Aussie posters who have KT as a top 10 ATG....YES, TOP TEN OF ALL TIME (the old Whitaker vs KT thread immediately jumps to mind...the one before the server crash...)!!!

You are a great poster MSTR, so hense why I said SOME (and YES, some Aussie posters SEVERELY OVERRATE HIM)!

If you took offense bro, know that it was not aimed at you....my apologies bro!!!

:D

And Skake is right....that straight right was a thing of beauty.

[doublesuited]

Tszyu sucks. Quit against Phillips and quit against Hatton.

Pea would've boxed circles around him.

[dave82]

Tszyu sucks. Quit against Phillips and quit against Hatton. :patsch

Pea would've boxed circles around him. Pea would have boxed circles around most boxers :patsch

[MSTR]

WHOA!!!!

If you look in some of the post about KT....there have been some Aussie posters who have KT as a top 10 ATG....YES, TOP TEN OF ALL TIME (the old Whitaker vs KT thread immediately jumps to mind...the one before the server crash...)!!!

You are a great poster MSTR, so hense why I said SOME (and YES, some Aussie posters SEVERELY OVERRATE HIM)!

If you took offense bro, know that it was not aimed at you.

And Skake is right....that straight right was a thing of beauty.
Fair enough mate. That thread was ridiculous. Boppa from memory got really riled up and starting making some ridiculous claims about KT having a better right hand then Hearns, and being a better ATG then Whitaker. To his defence, he is actually a better poster then that and knows that is wrong, but started clutching at straws in an attempt to build an arguement. If Aussie posters have been making statements like the ones you listed then I fully agree with you. We have discussed this is in recent times however only in the Aus forum and people were much more objective about it.

[Relentless]

I'm not going to bother, If you have seen his resume/achievements as an amatuer and professional and aren't convinced, then theres nothing much i can say or do. IMO he is one of the great jnr welterweights of our time.:hi:

as an amateur marvis frazier was a super star.

[dave82]

as an amateur marvis frazier was a super star.

Yeah, thats just soooo fantastic :good

[sues2nd]

Fair enough mate. That thread was ridiculous. Boppa from memory got really riled up and starting making some ridiculous claims about KT having a better right hand then Hearns, and being a better ATG then Whitaker. To his defence, he is actually a better poster then that and knows that is wrong, but started clutching at straws in an attempt to build an arguement. If Aussie posters have been making statements like the ones you listed then I fully agree with you. We have discussed this is in recent times however only in the Aus forum and people were much more objective about it.

:good

And I know Boppa is better than he let on in that thread....but that day....he was sayin some outlandish shit....:lol:

[DanePugilist]

I think KT was better than made out to be. His precision was out of this world.

I guess it happens alot. If a guy ends his career with loses, seemingly those deterioate peoples impressions of him. There was a time, when people thought he was unbeatable.

The same things seems to be going for RJJ, and without romantic figures like myself, people would probably say that he was overrated throughout his career.

[DanePugilist]

so true how quickly people forget how good he was, and the fear he envoked in the boxing world. dude was a monster.Yeah its rather sad, when such things happen. Boxing fans are unforgiving:lol:

[Nico]

Yeah its rather sad, when such things happen. Boxing fans are unforgiving:lol:


I think the Hatton loss gets blown out of proportion by so many people. I mean, every now and then, I hear some nimrod say "of course Fighter X would have beat Tszyu, he's a quitter" and/or "he got KO'd by Vince Phillips!" The dude quit in the last fight of his career after going undefeated for a decade and unifying the division, and suddenly that's the consensus for what would happen if he was in a tough fight?

I feel like the same thing happened to Roy Jones Jr. after Jones-Tarver II. You have a bunch of tools rushing into any argument when his name comes up, saying that Jones has a glass chin. What nonsense! You would think that we would have found out a lot sooner than when he was 35 years old, towards the end of his career, coming back down from f***ing heavyweight after being utterly dominant his entire career. But I digress.....:yep

[Toopretty]

Average-good resume at best. He was not that active as a fighter. To claim he was ducked is sheer and utter nonsense b/c he pulled out of a few fights b/c of injuries. He is overrated b/c though he was skilled and a real technician in there, he never really accomplished that much. Beating Sharmba twice and for a guy to say Sharmba was in his prime the second fight is utter nonsense..Hell no...Sharmba was never a top fighter but just a good fighter. The zab win was his best win and that was his best win. He got knocked out by Vince Phillips which no other fighter that is top p4p would be forgiven for in his prime. That is like if Corley knocked out Floyd at 140. Same effect. His fanbase really has no ammunition. He beat some regular solid contenders.. But guess what..every other fighter on that level does the same thing against the same caliber of fighter.

[KO Boxing]

Average-good resume at best. He was not that active as a fighter. To claim he was ducked is sheer and utter nonsense b/c he pulled out of a few fights b/c of injuries. He is overrated b/c though he was skilled and a real technician in there, he never really accomplished that much. Beating Sharmba twice and for a guy to say Sharmba was in his prime the second fight is utter nonsense..Hell no...Sharmba was never a top fighter but just a good fighter. The zab win was his best win and that was his best win. He got knocked out by Vince Phillips which no other fighter that is top p4p would be forgiven for in his prime. That is like if Corley knocked out Floyd at 140. Same effect. His fanbase really has no ammunition. He beat some regular solid contenders.. But guess what..every other fighter on that level does the same thing against the same caliber of fighter.
:patsch

Well... I never read a thing from you again.

[DanePugilist]

Average-good resume at best. He was not that active as a fighter. To claim he was ducked is sheer and utter nonsense b/c he pulled out of a few fights b/c of injuries. He is overrated b/c though he was skilled and a real technician in there, he never really accomplished that much. Beating Sharmba twice and for a guy to say Sharmba was in his prime the second fight is utter nonsense..Hell no...Sharmba was never a top fighter but just a good fighter. The zab win was his best win and that was his best win. He got knocked out by Vince Phillips which no other fighter that is top p4p would be forgiven for in his prime. That is like if Corley knocked out Floyd at 140. Same effect. His fanbase really has no ammunition. He beat some regular solid contenders.. But guess what..every other fighter on that level does the same thing against the same caliber of fighter.Haven't you learned anything from watching boxing? So in lieu with what you are saying; Ali was in reality just overrated because he got beaten by Leon Spinks?

Another tip. Walls of text makes garbage even more intolerable.

[dave82]

Average-good resume at best. He was not that active as a fighter. To claim he was ducked is sheer and utter nonsense b/c he pulled out of a few fights b/c of injuries. He is overrated b/c though he was skilled and a real technician in there, he never really accomplished that much. Beating Sharmba twice and for a guy to say Sharmba was in his prime the second fight is utter nonsense..Hell no...Sharmba was never a top fighter but just a good fighter. The zab win was his best win and that was his best win. He got knocked out by Vince Phillips which no other fighter that is top p4p would be forgiven for in his prime. That is like if Corley knocked out Floyd at 140. Same effect. His fanbase really has no ammunition. He beat some regular solid contenders.. But guess what..every other fighter on that level does the same thing against the same caliber of fighter.

I rather a rabbit did a shit in my ear than have to read one of your posts again :patsch

[DanePugilist]

I think the Hatton loss gets blown out of proportion by so many people. I mean, every now and then, I hear some nimrod say "of course Fighter X would have beat Tszyu, he's a quitter" and/or "he got KO'd by Vince Phillips!" The dude quit in the last fight of his career after going undefeated for a decade and unifying the division, and suddenly that's the consensus for what would happen if he was in a tough fight?

I feel like the same thing happened to Roy Jones Jr. after Jones-Tarver II. You have a bunch of tools rushing into any argument when his name comes up, saying that Jones has a glass chin. What nonsense! You would think that we would have found out a lot sooner than when he was 35 years old, towards the end of his career, coming back down from f***ing heavyweight after being utterly dominant his entire career. But I digress.....:yep:good :good - I see we are on the same page.

[PACZ]

Ya, He Did Smoke A Tall Lanky Vernon Forrest For The Gold Medal. He Ruined Sharmba. He Was At The Top Of A Very Deep Division.

[PACZ]

He Also Fought Ring Magazines #1 Contenders. He Didn't Pick His Fights.

EVEN THE EGO BOASTING FLOYD MAYWEATHER GAVE HIM PROPS! THATS GOT TO SAY ALOT!

[Asterion]

His competition is better than Pryor's comp. :smoke

[DanePugilist]

His competition is better than Pryor's comp. :smokeMust be Richard rather than Aaron:lol:

[MSTR]

I think the Hatton loss gets blown out of proportion by so many people. I mean, every now and then, I hear some nimrod say "of course Fighter X would have beat Tszyu, he's a quitter" and/or "he got KO'd by Vince Phillips!" The dude quit in the last fight of his career after going undefeated for a decade and unifying the division, and suddenly that's the consensus for what would happen if he was in a tough fight?

I feel like the same thing happened to Roy Jones Jr. after Jones-Tarver II. You have a bunch of tools rushing into any argument when his name comes up, saying that Jones has a glass chin. What nonsense! You would think that we would have found out a lot sooner than when he was 35 years old, towards the end of his career, coming back down from f***ing heavyweight after being utterly dominant his entire career. But I digress.....:yep
Good Post.

[sues2nd]

I think the Hatton loss gets blown out of proportion by so many people. I mean, every now and then, I hear some nimrod say "of course Fighter X would have beat Tszyu, he's a quitter" and/or "he got KO'd by Vince Phillips!" The dude quit in the last fight of his career after going undefeated for a decade and unifying the division, and suddenly that's the consensus for what would happen if he was in a tough fight?

I feel like the same thing happened to Roy Jones Jr. after Jones-Tarver II. You have a bunch of tools rushing into any argument when his name comes up, saying that Jones has a glass chin. What nonsense! You would think that we would have found out a lot sooner than when he was 35 years old, towards the end of his career, coming back down from f***ing heavyweight after being utterly dominant his entire career. But I digress.....:yep

:happy :happy :happy

Fantastic post!!!

[BoppaZoo]

:good

And I know Boppa is better than he let on in that thread....but that day....he was sayin some outlandish shit....:lol:i did most of that to get the USA fight fans riled up and it worked a treat.

If i was asked were do i rate Tszyu all time such and such

this is my response.

I have Tszyu just inside my Top 50 fighters all time.
I rate Tszyu as the second best 140 ever to put the gloves on.

His reign of having a belt from and being the number 1 140 from 1999 to 2005 is a great feat.
Some have Tszyu lower than that on the 140 all time list but Tszyu gets extra points for me for being the longest title reign holder in boxing history at 140 and for being the only man to Unify that division.

Im happy for him to get appluaded but what i hate is fans that never watched him much and say shit like he quit against a crack taker like Phillips and he quit against Hatton at the other end of 35 years of age after fighting only 3 Pro rounds in the last 2 and half years.

He was avioded more than anyone i can remember because he was great risk little reward.
Who knows what would have happened against Dela Hoya or Mosely or even Cotto or PBF but i say Tszyu would give them hell i know that much.
I know were Tszyu stands for me a Great Champ in and especially out of the Ring always a Gentlemen in a sport where most care about money he cared more about the sport itself not getting a bad name.

When he lost to Hatton he was gracious in defeat and said Hatton was clearly beating him even said to Hatton if he ever needs any help with anything dont hesitate to call him.

Great Champ in my books and i will be a happy man to see him in th HOF.

[runnynose]

I think the Hatton loss gets blown out of proportion by so many people. I mean, every now and then, I hear some nimrod say "of course Fighter X would have beat Tszyu, he's a quitter" and/or "he got KO'd by Vince Phillips!" The dude quit in the last fight of his career after going undefeated for a decade and unifying the division, and suddenly that's the consensus for what would happen if he was in a tough fight?
Agreeing to the unusual (in the UK) fight time he wasn't used to (to suit U.S. TV skeds) probably contributed to Kostya's undoing. Though many times boxers fighting in various foreign time zones have no trouble with a body clock getting out of whack, KT's team was quoted pre-fight as having voiced their concern about this. They probbly knew something we don't.

[silvy_chris]

check out boxrec.com
tells u who has fought who
surprised u havnt herd of it

[grayggr]

Agreeing to the unusual (in the UK) fight time he wasn't used to (to suit U.S. TV skeds) probably contributed to Kostya's undoing. Though many times boxers fighting in various foreign time zones have no trouble with a body clock getting out of whack, KT's team was quoted pre-fight as having voiced their concern about this. They probbly knew something we don't.

It was 2am for Hatton aswell????

[MSTR]

i did most of that to get the USA fight fans riled up and it worked a treat.

If i was asked were do i rate Tszyu all time such and such

this is my response.

I have Tszyu just inside my Top 50 fighters all time.
I rate Tszyu as the second best 140 ever to put the gloves on.

His reign of having a belt from and being the number 1 140 from 1999 to 2005 is a great feat.
Some have Tszyu lower than that on the 140 all time list but Tszyu gets extra points for me for being the longest title reign holder in boxing history at 140 and for being the only man to Unify that division.

Im happy for him to get appluaded but what i hate is fans that never watched him much and say shit like he quit against a crack taker like Phillips and he quit against Hatton at the other end of 35 years of age after fighting only 3 Pro rounds in the last 2 and half years.

He was avioded more than anyone i can remember because he was great risk little reward.
Who knows what would have happened against Dela Hoya or Mosely or even Cotto or PBF but i say Tszyu would give them hell i know that much.
I know were Tszyu stands for me a Great Champ in and especially out of the Ring always a Gentlemen in a sport where most care about money he cared more about the sport itself not getting a bad name.

When he lost to Hatton he was gracious in defeat and said Hatton was clearly beating him even said to Hatton if he ever needs any help with anything dont hesitate to call him.

Great Champ in my books and i will be a happy man to see him in th HOF.

:good

Great post Boppa. He was an awesome champion and a terrific ambassador for the sport.

:bbb

[brownshell]

Now if you consider Kosta a great fighter. Compare his resume to that of PBF's...


Oscar De La Hoya ([Only registered and activated users can see links])- Bigger than any KT opponent.

Carlos Manuel Baldomir ([Only registered and activated users can see links])- Lots thought he would wear Floyd out.

Zab Judah ([Only registered and activated users can see links])- Beat Zab at his own game.

Sharmba Mitchell ([Only registered and activated users can see links])- Everyone has an old skilled veteran.

Arturo Gatti ([Only registered and activated users can see links])- Nuthuggers beleived Gatti would hand PBF his head.

DeMarcus Corley ([Only registered and activated users can see links])- Quality

Phillip N'dou ([Only registered and activated users can see links])- Feared at the time.

Jose Luis Castillo ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) (Twice) enough said.

Jesus Chavez ([Only registered and activated users can see links])- Tough

Diego Corrales ([Only registered and activated users can see links])- Dominated

Emanuel Augustus ([Only registered and activated users can see links])- Tough

****** Juuko ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

Angel Manfredy ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

Genaro Hernandez ([Only registered and activated users can see links])


Floyd has fought tough opponemts in all weight classes. I'm sick and tired of haters hating because of his style, opponenets etc....

[MacManJr.]

check out boxrec.com
tells u who has fought who
surprised u havnt herd of itI heard of it but I always forget to visit it. It's better to hear opinions anyway but I will use that resource in the future.

[PowerPuncher]

i did most of that to get the USA fight fans riled up and it worked a treat.

If i was asked were do i rate Tszyu all time such and such

this is my response.

I have Tszyu just inside my Top 50 fighters all time.
I rate Tszyu as the second best 140 ever to put the gloves on.

His reign of having a belt from and being the number 1 140 from 1999 to 2005 is a great feat.
Some have Tszyu lower than that on the 140 all time list but Tszyu gets extra points for me for being the longest title reign holder in boxing history at 140 and for being the only man to Unify that division.

Im happy for him to get appluaded but what i hate is fans that never watched him much and say shit like he quit against a crack taker like Phillips and he quit against Hatton at the other end of 35 years of age after fighting only 3 Pro rounds in the last 2 and half years.

He was avioded more than anyone i can remember because he was great risk little reward.
Who knows what would have happened against Dela Hoya or Mosely or even Cotto or PBF but i say Tszyu would give them hell i know that much.
I know were Tszyu stands for me a Great Champ in and especially out of the Ring always a Gentlemen in a sport where most care about money he cared more about the sport itself not getting a bad name.

When he lost to Hatton he was gracious in defeat and said Hatton was clearly beating him even said to Hatton if he ever needs any help with anything dont hesitate to call him.

Great Champ in my books and i will be a happy man to see him in th HOF.

You probably havent compiled a list of the top50 fighters of all time to know whether hes in your top50 list or not :lol:

Tyszu isn't good enough to be top50 of all time. I'm not even sure if he makes top20 in the last 20years, lets see:

Whitaker
Roy Jones
Mayweather
Lennox Lewis
Holyfield
James Toney
Tyson
B Hopkins
Chavez
Delahoya
Mike MCCALLUM
Mosley
Calazage
Barrera
Trinidad
Julian Jackson
Ricardo Lopez
Hamed
Pacman
Morales
Eubank
Nunn
Benn
Winky Wright
Terry Norris
JM Marquez

You can make a case for all those 26 fighters being better than Tyszu and thats just over 20 years - not the 120years boxings been around. No way Tyszu makes the top50

[Relentless]

hatton has a better resume than tszyu, tszyu is better than anyone on his resume, hatton also has castillo who is also better than anybody on tszyus resume.

[PowerPuncher]

As for top2 to fight at 140 - not close. People forget the following fighters all fought at 140:

Sugar Ray Robinson
Wilfredo Benitez
Henry Armstrong
Barney Ross
Pernell Whitaker
Floyd Mayweather
Delahoya
Aaron Pryor
Chavez
Arguello
Hector Camacho

Mosley and Duran at 135/147 showed they are just as good at 140 if they had bothered to stop instead of taking on the bigger foes

[MacManJr.]

As for top2 to fight at 140 - not close. People forget the following fighters all fought at 140:

Sugar Ray Robinson
Wilfredo Benitez
Henry Armstrong
Barney Ross
Pernell Whitaker
Floyd Mayweather
Delahoya
Aaron Pryor
Chavez
Arguello
Hector Camacho

Mosley and Duran at 135/147 showed they are just as good at 140 if they had bothered to stop instead of taking on the bigger foesGood post!

[PowerPuncher]

Good post!

I probably come accross as hating Tyszu. The fact is he is an elite fighter that is a danger for anyone but he has a few glaring weaknesses. His defense is poor, he usually eats 2 punches to land a punch. His workrate lets him down against pressure fighters - Hatton/Phillips as does his inside work.

Tyszu in terms of achievement unified a division but he didn't unify or fight great fighters.

He never cleaned out the division either otherwise he would have faced Delahoya, Mayweather, Gatti, Cotto, Harris, Witter but he didn't. He also should have rematched Vince Phillips before 2003.

He did fight the best at 140 from 1998-2001 when he went on a very impressive run of top opponents. If you look at his competition outside of this period it is pretty poor and he shouldn't be hailed as fighting the best from 1995-2005 because he certainly did not

[Drew101]

I'm not sure if he warrants some of the extreme praise that he's gotten, and I've gone on record in the past as saying that I think he's slightly overrated, but, let's be fair...

At his best, KT was a wonderful fighter who had the ability to take a fighter out with one punch, and combined that footwork with solid fundamentals. I doubt that he would have been an easy fight for any of the great jr. welterweights, given what he brought to the table.

He'll almost certainly make the HOF on the first ballot. Deservedly so.

I've got him around #7 or #8 on my all-time 140lb. list, and he's got a shot at making the lower reaches of my Top 100, all-time...if I ever get around to compiling one. That may seem kind of low to some, but that has more to do with the fact that there were some great, great fighters whose accomplishments were more impressive than KT.

Still, he was a hell of a fighter in his day. Most of us can agree on that.

[MacManJr.]

I probably come accross as hating Tyszu. The fact is he is an elite fighter that is a danger for anyone but he has a few glaring weaknesses. His defense is poor, he usually eats 2 punches to land a punch. His workrate lets him down against pressure fighters - Hatton/Phillips as does his inside work.

Tyszu in terms of achievement unified a division but he didn't unify or fight great fighters.

He never cleaned out the division either otherwise he would have faced Delahoya, Mayweather, Gatti, Cotto, Harris, Witter but he didn't. He also should have rematched Vince Phillips before 2003.

He did fight the best at 140 from 1998-2001 when he went on a very impressive run of top opponents. If you look at his competition outside of this period it is pretty poor and he shouldn't be hailed as fighting the best from 1995-2005 because he certainly did notAnother good post but no you didn't come across as a hater to me.

[Pimp C]

Good fighter but way overrated by his fans his two best victories Mitchell and Zab aren't that great.

[sonny73]

for doing what? the best fighters he beat are judah and sharmba.
To put it into context it would be like Cotto coming over to England and KOing both Hatton and Witter at 140.Not gonna happen is it.

[sonny73]

Good fighter but way overrated by his fans his two best victories Mitchell and Zab aren't that great. Why couldn't Mayweather KO Judah when he was past his prime if he was so rubbish?

[PACZ]

He Unified After No One Did It For 30 Years At 140. Shane And Oscar Both Jumped 140. Hmmmmmm.....

[Relentless]

To put it into context it would be like Cotto coming over to England and KOing both Hatton and Witter at 140.Not gonna happen is it.

no not really, hatton and witter are a few classes above sharmba but probably same as zab,

and if cotto beats mosley it would be a be better than anything kostya tszyu has ever done.

[Relentless]

He Unified After No One Did It For 30 Years At 140. Shane And Oscar Both Jumped 140. Hmmmmmm.....

yeh oscar jumped a weight to run from tszyu and fight the legendary tito trinidad, shane mosley skipped 140 to fight the man at 147.

[Nico]

He Unified After No One Did It For 30 Years At 140. Shane And Oscar Both Jumped 140. Hmmmmmm.....


Shoot, I just posted a response to this and it isn't there!

Anyway, I don't think the great fighters around that weight class- De La Hoya, Mosley, and Mayweather, ducked KT outright. I think it is more of a case of the risk/reward for a fight against him not being favorable. Tszyu has been my favorite fighter for over a decade, but even I have to admit that he was not a huge star/box office draw in the U.S. Mainstream fans never really knew how good he was. The three fighters I mentioned could make more money fighting someone else, and a loss against Tszyu would look bad to people other than knowledgeable fans who know just how good he is.

To be fair, if a fight against any of them ever happened, all of them would be the favorite against KT. Although you never know what could have happened.....

[sonny73]

Put it this way when Tszyu Hatton Cotto and Mayweather were the top guys at LW it was TSZYU who was number 1 and the guy everyone feared like it or not.

[Relentless]

Put it this way when Tszyu Hatton Cotto and Mayweather were the top guys at LW it was TSZYU who was number 1 and the guy everyone feared like it or not.

until he got beaten by hatton.

[BoppaZoo]

All these last few posts from poeple on here have been haters thats why i dont go into KT threads as much anymore.

Why he still gets no respect from any of these fight fans.

Some of the things that have been said is just plan rubbish.
For such an ambassator towards a sport that has turned slowly into a circus Tszyu was great for it and still he is not getting any love.

Fans think Champs are only made by what they do in the Ring by who they have taken on be it a former HOF.

But me im smarter than that a Champ and a true all time Great isnt about who he beat but how he beat them aswell as what he did for the sport aswell.
No Tszyu didnt get the best opponents but can the fans really blame Tszyu for that or the Chicken fighters that avioded him.

Tszyu changed Judah's career he not only beat the undefeated highly rated up and coming Zab he blow him away.
Cotto in his Prime took 11 rounds and a couple of shaky moments when i thought he was going to get KO'd by Zab.
PBF lost the first 4 rounds to Judah before taking over in the fight.

But because Tszyu never faced Cotto or PBF he gets the flack its Tszyu's fault according to you lot. THIS IS BULL SHIT.
Tszyu changed Judah's career and PBF and Cotto just got by him. Tszyu is the only man to stop Miguel Gonzalez and Zoo although never really facing another great champ what he did to the fighters he did fight was frightning.

I always have to caome to a fighters defence like Tszyu as i do when people diss Lennox Lewis or Joe Calzaghe.
Our fighters will never get respect of these people because they beleive they have superior fighters in game thats theres.
And When we sucseed at it the USA guys are there to say oh but he isnt as good Tommie Hearns or Ray Robinson or PBF.

So Fucking What there our stars our great boxers who gives two shits what you guys think not me anymore because the only fighters i see the USA producing these days are the boring ones.
Winky,PBF,Spinks,Taylor,Dawson the days of Dela Hoya and Hearns and Hagler are coming to and end and us the Internationals are slowly taking over.

[BoppaZoo]

until he got beaten by hatton.yeah he was just so crap against Hatton wasnt he i mean for a 35 10 months year old fighting an unbeaten Champ in his hoetown at 2am in the Morning against a Prime Hatton yep a really shit effort by Tszyu.
Plus getting a number of fouls and low blows all night.:patsch

And no matter what argument you make Relentless your boy Cotto wouldnt last 7 rounds with Tszyu.
His chin isnt no where good enough to face someone like Tszyu i mean he gets rocked everytime he gets in the Ring imagine what a 34 year old Tszyu would have done to him when he was at 140.
So Shut T F UP

[BoppaZoo]

Good fighter but way overrated by his fans his two best victories Mitchell and Zab aren't that great.Just like your boy taking all 12 rounds to win the fight.
Aswell as losing the first 4 rounds before doing anything against a already beaten Zab.
Thats what 10 rounds more than the Tszyu vs Judah fight went on.:good

[BoppaZoo]

You probably havent compiled a list of the top50 fighters of all time to know whether hes in your top50 list or not :lol:

Tyszu isn't good enough to be top50 of all time. I'm not even sure if he makes top20 in the last 20years, lets see:

Whitaker
Roy Jones
Mayweather
Lennox Lewis
Holyfield
James Toney
Tyson
B Hopkins
Chavez
Delahoya
Mike MCCALLUM
Mosley
Calazage
Barrera
Trinidad
Julian Jackson
Ricardo Lopez
Hamed
Pacman
Morales
Eubank
Nunn
Benn
Winky Wright
Terry Norris
JM Marquez

You can make a case for all those 26 fighters being better than Tyszu and thats just over 20 years - not the 120years boxings been around. No way Tyszu makes the top50
Well my list doesnt go on just who they beat because thats fair to guys that didnt get avioded. in Tszyu's case you have to mark him on his achievements because do we blame Tszyu for not fighting Dela Hoya,Mosely,Cotto or PBF or should the blame go to someone else because i know Tszyu would fight any of them anytime any where.
So when you look at his achievements what do you get ill tell you what you get.

You get an Ambassotor for this sport in a time when the Boxing Hip Hop culture and circus acts are more than most can bear.
You get a guys that Unified a division that
Julio C Chavez couldnt
Dela Hoya couldnt
Pryor Couldnt
Cervantes Couldnt
Now there not small names.
He also holds the record for the longest title reign at 140 aswell as being unbeaten from 1997 until 2005.
Now to me that more than Pryor done alot more yet Tszyu doesnt get credit because he didnt fight a Great but thats wrong he did in Chavez and Killed him. I know Chavez was old but when you talk names no one did to Chavez as was Tszyu did to him.
No One had even stopped Gonzalez and Miguel was KO'd by Tszyu.

Yet we still give him shit because he didnt face a Mosely or someone like that. ask Sugar Shane next time you see him why he jumped the 140 division. Dont ask Tszyu.

[BoppaZoo]

Thats it im done with talking Tszyu. Never again Never again. The real fans would rather watch PBF spin shit how he's going to knock someone out and talk about there kids or families or him just talk about himself.

Tszyu the last of the real gentlemen in our sport.

Thats it done.

[Toopretty]

E.

[Gsand]

HE beat Mitchell twice but also take into concideration that Mitchell was in his prime at that time and was the #1 guy at the time and a champion. When we look at Mitchell now, those wins dont look that good, but at that time they were spectacular. Same with Zab Judah, he was in his physical prime at the time Tszue beat him, right now Judah is past his prime.

my thoughts exactly

[PowerPuncher]

Well my list doesnt go on just who they beat because thats fair to guys that didnt get avioded. in Tszyu's case you have to mark him on his achievements because do we blame Tszyu for not fighting Dela Hoya,Mosely,Cotto or PBF or should the blame go to someone else because i know Tszyu would fight any of them anytime any where.
So when you look at his achievements what do you get ill tell you what you get.

You get an Ambassotor for this sport in a time when the Boxing Hip Hop culture and circus acts are more than most can bear.
You get a guys that Unified a division that
Julio C Chavez couldnt
Dela Hoya couldnt
Pryor Couldnt
Cervantes Couldnt
Now there not small names.
He also holds the record for the longest title reign at 140 aswell as being unbeaten from 1997 until 2005.
Now to me that more than Pryor done alot more yet Tszyu doesnt get credit because he didnt fight a Great but thats wrong he did in Chavez and Killed him. I know Chavez was old but when you talk names no one did to Chavez as was Tszyu did to him.
No One had even stopped Gonzalez and Miguel was KO'd by Tszyu.

Yet we still give him shit because he didnt face a Mosely or someone like that. ask Sugar Shane next time you see him why he jumped the 140 division. Dont ask Tszyu.

Tyszus very good, borderline great, but he is 1 of many excellent fighters, and a notch below the absolute best. I like Tyszu and was cheering for against Hatton.

Unifying a division isn't that amazing if the other 2 belt holders aren't particularly great fighters. He was only undefeated from 1997-2005 because he fought very poor fighters after Judah and he never took on an elite fighter in this period. His 1998-2001 run was excellent, 2002-2005 his competition was pretty much pitifull. During this time he should have been facing Mayweather, Cotto, Hatton, Harris, Gatti, Witter.

Tyszu never fought a great, otherwise journeyman Willie Wise is also an ATG, because he beat the same Chavez Tyszu beat

Was Tyszu avoided though or did he just never try to make the big fights? I've never heard Tyszu call out the big names so its hard to say. Lets see why the big names didn't fight Tyszu:

Delahoya - was talked about prior to Tyszu getting ko'd by Phillips, Tyszu wasn't an established name prior to Phillips KO in fairness

Mayweather - did try to get Tyszu in the ring but Tyszu fought Mitchell and Hatton instead. I wish Tyszu beat Hatton because we would have had Mayweather-Tyszu as the next fight. Hatton refused to face Mayweather until now.

Mosley - huge money against Delahoya

As a Tyszu fan I'd expect you to be aware Tyszu was pretty much looking for his last payday after Judah and all his injurys. This is why he fought poor competition and then sold himself to the highest bidder in Hatton.

Tyszu would never have been able to beat Delahoya, Mosley or Mayweather. They would have all outboxed him and if Hatton and Phillips could stop him Delahoya and Mosley would have done him late too. All had stelar chins. 1 thing I will give you though is that Tyszu may have beaten Vernon Forrest - this isn't a certainty as Vernon was much better in the Pros.

[Toopretty]

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[Toopretty]

my thoughts exactly
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[ozziebattler]

Now if you consider Kosta a great fighter. Compare his resume to that of PBF's...


Oscar De La Hoya ([Only registered and activated users can see links])- Bigger than any KT opponent.

Carlos Manuel Baldomir ([Only registered and activated users can see links])- Lots thought he would wear Floyd out.

Zab Judah ([Only registered and activated users can see links])- Beat Zab at his own game.

Sharmba Mitchell ([Only registered and activated users can see links])- Everyone has an old skilled veteran.

Arturo Gatti ([Only registered and activated users can see links])- Nuthuggers beleived Gatti would hand PBF his head.

DeMarcus Corley ([Only registered and activated users can see links])- Quality

Phillip N'dou ([Only registered and activated users can see links])- Feared at the time.

Jose Luis Castillo ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) (Twice) enough said.

Jesus Chavez ([Only registered and activated users can see links])- Tough

Diego Corrales ([Only registered and activated users can see links])- Dominated

Emanuel Augustus ([Only registered and activated users can see links])- Tough

****** Juuko ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

Angel Manfredy ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

Genaro Hernandez ([Only registered and activated users can see links])


Floyd has fought tough opponemts in all weight classes. I'm sick and tired of haters hating because of his style, opponenets etc....


Look mate we are talking about Kostya here not floyd..Why are you bringing floyd up for??

Kostya was a great fighter and will go down as one of the best in his division ever.Not a all time p4p great but still a great boxer in both the amateur and pro ranks.

No one(with brains)would suggest mayweather aint a great fighter who has faced some class opponents.He will end his career as one of the true greats of the fight game.Win against hatton will seal this.

Now nomore floyd talk as we are in a kostya thread..

[Toopretty]

Well my list doesnt go on just who they beat because thats fair to guys that didnt get avioded. in Tszyu's case you have to mark him on his achievements because do we blame Tszyu for not fighting Dela Hoya,Mosely,Cotto or PBF or should the blame go to someone else because i know Tszyu would fight any of them anytime any where.
So when you look at his achievements what do you get ill tell you what you get.

You get an Ambassotor for this sport in a time when the Boxing Hip Hop culture and circus acts are more than most can bear.
You get a guys that Unified a division that
Julio C Chavez couldnt
Dela Hoya couldnt
Pryor Couldnt
Cervantes Couldnt
Now there not small names.
He also holds the record for the longest title reign at 140 aswell as being unbeaten from 1997 until 2005.
Now to me that more than Pryor done alot more yet Tszyu doesnt get credit because he didnt fight a Great but thats wrong he did in Chavez and Killed him. I know Chavez was old but when you talk names no one did to Chavez as was Tszyu did to him.
No One had even stopped Gonzalez and Miguel was KO'd by Tszyu.

Yet we still give him shit because he didnt face a Mosely or someone like that. ask Sugar Shane next time you see him why he jumped the 140 division. Dont ask Tszyu.


Ok BOZO...FUCKING PROVE....THAT ANYBODY AVOIDED TSYU...LOL PROVE IT..NAME NAMES.... TSYU WAS AVOIDED MY ASS...I GUESS JUDAH AVOIDED A REMATCH.."oh no that was TSYU..lol" Yeah Tsyu was ducked now...that is classic

[PACZ]

No One Around That Weight Could Do What Tszyu Did To Zab And Sharmba.

[Pimp C]

Why couldn't Mayweather KO Judah when he was past his prime if he was so rubbish?
Different type of fighters Zoo was a KO artist PBF is a pure boxer.:deal

[Pimp C]

Just like your boy taking all 12 rounds to win the fight.
Aswell as losing the first 4 rounds before doing anything against a already beaten Zab.
Thats what 10 rounds more than the Tszyu vs Judah fight went on.:good
Another myth PBF didn't lose the first 4 rounds in that fight Zab won two rounds at best...learn how to score a fight.:good

[BoppaZoo]

Another myth PBF didn't lose the first 4 rounds in that fight Zab won two rounds at best...learn how to score a fight.:goodDont get me wrong Pimp C i had Zab winning the first 4 rounds Yes i did but then i had PBF winning the next 8 so he won easy but if we are being honest i have PBF beating Hatton easy but against a Prime Tszyu its a different fight goes Tszyu can handle slick fighters.

I give credit were credit is due im not hating on PBF or Dela Hoya or even Mosely i just hate how people think a bloke like Tszyu is overated because he only beat and flogged fighters like Prime Zab before he lost or Prime Sharmba when he had belts and was winning or Prime Hurtados when they had never been stopped and the same goes for Gonzalez.

I give credit for PBF fighting Zab and Dela Hoya at 154 and winning but noone gives credit to Tszyu for demolishing a unbeaten Zab in 2 rounds.

[Pimp C]

Dont get me wrong Pimp C i had Zab winning the first 4 rounds Yes i did but then i had PBF winning the next 8 so he won easy but if we are being honest i have PBF beating Hatton easy but against a Prime Tszyu its a different fight goes Tszyu can handle slick fighters.

I give credit were credit is due im not hating on PBF or Dela Hoya or even Mosely i just hate how people think a bloke like Tszyu is overated because he only beat and flogged fighters like Prime Zab before he lost or Prime Sharmba when he had belts and was winning or Prime Hurtados when they had never been stopped and the same goes for Gonzalez.

I give credit for PBF fighting Zab and Dela Hoya at 154 and winning but noone gives credit to Tszyu for demolishing a unbeaten Zab in 2 rounds.
Fair enough.:good