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Slothrop
05-13-2009, 09:10 PM
Probably done four times already, but I don't venture into the classic forum too often. Who do you pick?
UpWithEvil
05-13-2009, 09:22 PM
Da Preem. History has been unkind to him, but I think he looks impressive on film, or at least a great deal more impressive than I had been lead to believe he was.
djanders
05-13-2009, 09:34 PM
I voted for "Carnera by points". :bbb
OBCboxer
05-13-2009, 09:58 PM
This is an insult to Carnera.
Slothrop
05-13-2009, 10:01 PM
This is an insult to Carnera.

Carnera was an insult to the mafia.
OBCboxer
05-13-2009, 10:03 PM
Carnera was an insult to the mafia.

Typical. Carnera was a much better fighter than Valuev. He was in a different class.
HomicideHenry
05-13-2009, 10:07 PM
Carnera. I didnt have to think twice.
kmcc505
05-13-2009, 10:07 PM
Yeah, from what I've seen I'd say Primo.
Dempsey1238
05-13-2009, 10:52 PM
Primo can at least move around the ring in grace compare to Valuev.
GPater11093
05-14-2009, 05:09 AM
i think it would be a no-contest as no one would be able to stay awake to score it
Dempsey1238
05-14-2009, 08:42 AM
i think it would be a no-contest as no one would be able to stay awake to score it
Dont say that,

Primo has this hands down, Carnera has the hand speed, foot movement, and jab to out point Valuev imo. It would be more action pack than the Holyfiled fight, mostly on the part of Carnera. I see a easy points win, 12 or 15 for Carnera.
GPater11093
05-14-2009, 08:45 AM
Dont say that,

Primo has this hands down, Carnera has the hand speed, foot movement, and jab to out point Valuev imo. It would be more action pack than the Holyfiled fight, mostly on the part of Carnera. I see a easy points win, 12 or 15 for Carnera.

yes i know Carnera would win as he is the better boxer but how boring woud it be it would be boring and 1 sided never good
mr. magoo
05-14-2009, 09:19 AM
If you had asked me this question two or three years ago, I probably would have picked Valuev. But, after seeing his horrible performances against the much smaller Chagaev, a faded John Ruiz and ancient Holyfield, I can't imagine any prime lineal champions dropping a fight to Nikolay. I'm sorry but he's simply horrible.....
PhillyPhan69
05-14-2009, 10:43 AM
If you had asked me this question two or three years ago, I probably would have picked Valuev. But, after seeing his horrible performances against the much smaller Chagaev, a faded John Ruiz and ancient Holyfield, I can't imagine any prime lineal champions dropping a fight to Nikolay. I'm sorry but he's simply horrible.....

There is no need to appologise when you are spot on!
mr. magoo
05-14-2009, 10:52 AM
There is no need to appologise when you are spot on!


I don't like to bad mouth champions, but I honestly can't understand why this guy is holding any sort of a title - alphabet or otherwise. I went to a bar where Holyfield vs Valuev was being aired live. I saw about 9 rounds of the match, and left feeling like a 45 year old Holyfield had been robbed, despite a 12 year age difference and a 1 ft, 100 Lb size deficit.
Dempsey1238
05-14-2009, 12:39 PM
There is no need to appologise when you are spot on!

Spot on??

So Valuev would beat Louis? Dempsey? Marciano? Ali? Foreman?? Lewis? ete?
Hell after Holyfiled "Lost" to Valuev, Mr Magoo, made this trend on how he saw the light on Valuev, were days before the fight, he was making a claim Valuev would crush Marciano, Louis or any old timer.
mr. magoo
05-14-2009, 12:43 PM
Spot on??

So Valuev would beat Louis? Dempsey? Marciano? Ali? Foreman?? Lewis? ete?
Hell after Holyfiled "Lost" to Valuev, Mr Magoo, made this trend on how he saw the light on Valuev, were days before the fight, he was making a claim Valuev would crush Marciano, Louis or any old timer.

First of all, I never said that Valuev would " crush " those fighters that you listed. I do confess that I always felt that his size would have made him a hard obstacle for some smaller greats to overcome. But, after viewing some of his more recent performances ( including the Holy match ), I no longer have doubts about even the smallest of great heavyweight champions having their way with him....
PhillyPhan69
05-14-2009, 12:54 PM
Spot on??

So Valuev would beat Louis? Dempsey? Marciano? Ali? Foreman?? Lewis? ete?
Hell after Holyfiled "Lost" to Valuev, Mr Magoo, made this trend on how he saw the light on Valuev, were days before the fight, he was making a claim Valuev would crush Marciano, Louis or any old timer.

I don't believe that was a comment (or even remotely similar???) to what I responded to? I agreed with magoo's assessment that Valuev is a comprably weak champion (and IMO a weak champion of a weak era)...I will leave you and magoo to debate the deeper rooted issue you speak of! peace
Dempsey1238
05-14-2009, 01:04 PM
Re look at it, spot on for the 2nd part, The I am sorry I guess was in regards of Vaulev beating the past champs, Or so I thought, and There is no need to appologise when you are spot on, I thought was spot on that Vaulev is this killer gaint.
mr. magoo
05-14-2009, 01:27 PM
In my book, this may very well be the first time in history that a world titlist does not deserve to be a top 5 heavyweight. Wlad Klitschko, Vitali Klitschko, David Haye, Ruslan Chagaev and Alexander Povetkin all deserve to be rated above Valuev in my opinion. He arguably should have lost or at the very least drew with a very shot ex-champion who is not even a top 25 anymore. The same or similar statement could be made in regards to his last meeting with John Ruiz. His first meeting with Ruiz and Larry Donald were nothing to write home about either. In a strong era such as the 90's or the 70's, Valuev would not even be a top 15 contender. I know I'm sounding a bit harsh, maybe even unfair, but that's how I see it. He really is THAT BAD. Its a shame that a man of his great size and winning record can't produce more, but that's the way it is.
amhlilhaus
05-14-2009, 02:49 PM
valuev's gotten old already, can't see why this is surprising since he's so huge. just take a look at the knee support but for a man his size he has a impressive workrate when he was younger and he'd beat carnera by pumping that jab all night long.
mr. magoo
05-14-2009, 03:05 PM
valuev's gotten old already, can't see why this is surprising since he's so huge. just take a look at the knee support but for a man his size he has a impressive workrate when he was younger and he'd beat carnera by pumping that jab all night long.

I never thought much of Primo Carnera ( and frankly still don't ), but he actually looks quite a bit quicker than Valuev on film, and sports a fair amount of respectable skills. He was also well accustomed to fighting in long range bouts, and could take a pretty good punch ( something Valuev doesn't even have. ) Also, for what its worth, he has a fair bit more height to work with that most of Valuev's opponents didn't. Therfore, the size deficit wouldn't be as much of a factor ( though Nikolay is still a fair bit taller. )