No chance Frankie Gavin moves to true world class in the pro's

[brown bomber]

If he does i'll eat my hat. He's good, very good but he didn't cut the ring off, was caught time and again on the way in and doesn't seem to be evolving into the pro-style. Farnell is a fine trainer as proven by his other fighters but Gavin is just not that impressive. Nice jab, fair combinations but no concept of been able to pressure effectively.

The stoppage was farcical and his opponent was embarassingly inept and would have fallen apart if Gavin had of closed the ring down instead of trying to follow him round the ring point scoring.

All in all a poor performance. But if it was computer scoring he'd have done great.

What say you?

[onourway]

He's not a pressure fighter, so obviously he's not going to look very good doing it.

We'll see the best of Gavin when he's fighting competitively and boxing them.

[nufc16]

it was his second fight. cant really judge anything about these guys till they fight someone who comes to win.

[Dan684]

Yeah, I wanna see him fight decent boxers. Sometimes its too easy against these lads. We all know he's got the talent, It will come. He was ranked P4P no.1 am in the world appaerently. He'll make it defo :-)

[brown bomber]

Yeah, I wanna see him fight decent boxers. Sometimes its too easy against these lads. We all know he's got the talent, It will come. He was ranked P4P no.1 am in the world appaerently. He'll make it defo :-)P4P number one in the world?!! Who told you that :lol:. Is this the general or something?

[brown bomber]

it was his second fight. cant really judge anything about these guys till they fight someone who comes to win.You can judge the way he cuts off the ring, and you can judge his defence, and you can judge his generalship... Amir Khan after two figts would have sparked the french dude in seconds. Am I wrong?

[SouthpawSlayer]

gavin will struggle in the pros imo

[Dan684]

Like I said apparently dick head, I didn't think such a thing existed in the AM's but APPARENTLY it does. Like I said, it will come with him I think. He's been fighting far better fighters in the ams dont think the step down in class is helping tbh

[onourway]

Yea, but Khan would have been knocked down in the process.

[brown bomber]

Like I said apparently dick headSorry tough guy. Apparently your an idiot.

[brown bomber]

Yea, but Khan would have been knocked down in the process.:lol: Come on.

[Dan684]

No worries apology accepted, sorry for calling you a dick head :-)

[brown bomber]

gavin will struggle in the pros imoHe is struggling, its plain to see. Compare his two fights to the rest of the olympians... Then compare his performance to a young Naz, amir Khan, paul ingle, Carl Froch, David Haye, Wayne McCullough. There is a blatant gulf in class. Just because you can fence using your arms, doesn't mean you'll cut it in the pro's where the opponents are tougher and the fights are longer.

[DGLASS JAW]

not impressed with fun time frankie at all....can see him getting streacherd out.

[GPater11093]

He is struggling, its plain to see. Compare his two fights to the rest of the olympians... Then compare his performance to a young Naz, amir Khan, paul ingle, Carl Froch, David Haye, Wayne McCullough. There is a blatant gulf in class. Just because you can fence using your arms, doesn't mean you'll cut it in the pro's where the opponents are tougher and the fights are longer.

saying that compare it too Alexis Arguellos early career on Juan Manuel Marquez early on come to think of it even Jack Dempseys early career.
The early fights dont show us the full picture.

He showed he has a decent set of fundamentals, a high workrate, decent speed and works the body well. Hes what i call a proper pro. Hands high chin down type of guy. These can take you so far and this is where the intangibles come in and we dont know how much he has so this is what will show us how good he becomes.

[nulty]

You can judge the way he cuts off the ring, and you can judge his defence, and you can judge his generalship... Amir Khan after two figts would have sparked the french dude in seconds. Am I wrong?

Difference is Khan's at that stage was a reckless pressure fighter. Flurry after flurry and thats what got him ko'd.

[moorser]

Once Frankie opened up we saw the best of him the stoppage was coming , no doubt he has the talent he just needs experience

[TFFP]

The fighter wasn't tougher and the fight wasn't longer. His opponent ran around and ducked down. He was a spoiler that didn't come to fight, not the ideal opponent for a counterpuncher like Gavin.

I think Gavin is very good. It's far too early to be making calls on whether he gets to world class.

[brown bomber]

saying that compare it too Alexis Arguellos early career on Juan Manuel Marquez early on come to think of it even Jack Dempseys early career.
The early fights dont show us the full picture.

He showed he has a decent set of fundamentals, a high workrate, decent speed and works the body well. Hes what i call a proper pro. Hands high chin down type of guy. These can take you so far and this is where the intangibles come in and we dont know how much he has so this is what will show us how good he becomes.Have you seen Marquez early fights? Damn site more impressive then that.

[billy nelson]

people are being far to critical of frankie gavin,you need to remember its only his second fight nerves will still be a factor and listening to his interveiw he had a sore throat so all in all it win and thats the main thing.he.ll go back to the gym and learn more from anthony farnell and work on all aspects of his game.

[D-MAC]

He's not exactly setting the boxing world alight, but I'm not gonna write him off just yet.

Its too early to tell.

[GPater11093]

Have you seen Marquez early fights? Damn site more impressive then that.

i know taht was a bad example but i was meaning he lost his first fight.

[D-MAC]

i know taht was a bad example but i was meaning he lost his first fight.

Juan Manuel and Rafael both did.

As did Bernard.

Seems crazy looking back on it now (well not the Rafael Marquez defeat - that was shite matchmaking for a debutant).

[GPater11093]

Juan Manuel and Rafael both did.

As did Bernard.

Seems crazy looking back on it now (well not the Rafael Marquez defeat - that was shite matchmaking for a debutant).

yes it was bad matchmaking, i believe Marquez was DQd for a headbutt in his debut.

But Arguello is a good answer iuf you looked at his firs 20 fights you would have thought he was a decent fighter but never a legend he became

[David UK]

You can judge the way he cuts off the ring, and you can judge his defence, and you can judge his generalship... Amir Khan after two figts would have sparked the french dude in seconds. Am I wrong?


No you aren't wrong and Khan turned pro at 18 as well.

Even when he was performing well as an amateur I have never thought Gavin would be world class as a pro. I hope I'm wrong, but I suspect British title level will be his limit.

For me the best prospects are Fury and saunders

[robpalmer135]

spot on comment about how Haye, Froch and can looked.

Look at Tony Jeffires, George Groves and Sutherland. Look much much better

[Mandanda]

Last night proved to me that Gavin isn't comfortable fighting on front foot he is a counter puncher and doesn't seem to be at ease when pressing the opponent.

His footwork last night wasn't great and he also has a stange habit of slapping down his jab he doesn't full extneded the arm he cocks it a little.

Rarley used fients and threw punches from out of range and has that amatuer habit still of throwing then coming out in straight line and got clipped a few times last night.

I wasn't impressed with any of the olympians last night to be honest. I wouldn't like to make a prediction on there careers at this point. I would like to see them now dispand and fight on seperate shows.

Back to Gavin personally i know some people are big Farnell fans but i think Gavin would of been better going with a more experienced trainer at this point of his career. Not saying anything about Farnell's ability as a trainer but just felt he should of went with a older head.

[trotter]

Gavin's got good technique IMO, nice crisp, straight jab

Isn't quite delivering the power but when fighters come on to his punches, he'll get that much more purchase on them

I thought he had the best opponent last night

Much like Degale he may well, paradoxically, look better against better fighters

[Mandanda]

Gavin's got good technique IMO, nice crisp, straight jab

Isn't quite delivering the power but when fighters come on to his punches, he'll get that much more purchase on them

I thought he had the best opponent last night

Much like Degale he may well, paradoxically, look better against better fighters

agree on part of your post. not to sure about straight crisp jab but i agree on the opponent being better makes them fight better.
he is a counter puncher as you say he will get more purchase but the better level he fights they won't walk onto silly shots and i think his lack of power will be his downfall. he will need to enhance his skills defensively and offensively and box his way to glory.

[robpalmer135]

both his stoppages have been very very debatable so far.

[Beeston Brawler]

I think being away from the public eye would helo him.

Also a stepup in class of opposition would help. Having joke fighters doing Usian Bol impersonations isn't any good.

David Haye fought Tony Booth in his 1st fight, knowing ******'s soft matchmaking it will be 8 fights before any of the guys get in with someone like that.

Guys need to be tested properly. We aren't asking for DLH type matchmaking, but certainly better than what is being served up to date.

[johnny2sprouts]

I agree that both of his stoppages have been debatable. THe French guy hadn't really been in trouble and didn't look like getting sparked. It was like the ref had been told that he had to stop it. If you were going to stop a fight because one guy wasn't coming back with anything it could've been stopped 30 seconds in.

[TommyV]

What I've said all along. Even when he won the Worlds. Even after he won his 1st pro fight. And even after this 2nd.

[Tony Bellew]

Frankie beat Alexey Tishenko in the world championships in Chicago!!

At the time the Russian was unbeaten in 3 years in all competitions and regarded as the best Am on the planet bar none!! Frankie beat him and beat him easily in Chicago!! To win by 9 points against a Russian is a huge victory..It's like an outclassed rule over here..No ONE expected Frankie to beat Tishenko, Only those close to him like myself,Ste Smith and possibly Edwards!!

I feel if you all give Frankie Gavin time he'll show you why he was Britians ONLY world champion..The kid has everything he really does!! Speed,skill the whole package, He's punching harder everyday and is one of the most dedicated kids I have ever seen, He's boxed great in patches in both his pro fights BUT let's not forget he's had to go searching for his opponents and that's not his strongest point!!

You'll see the best of him when someone is trying nail him who is dangerous!! He's the hardest thing I've ever seen to hit!! He's unreal on his day and trust me when I say it A FUTURE WORLD CHAMPION...

[SouthpawSlayer]

frankie aint got great hand speed and his power is very average only great fighters can get to true world class when they possess neither of these in abundance

[Tony Bellew]

I ain't seen hands as fast in long time..Throws 3's and 4's at the speed fighters throw jabs..Time will tell but remember I said this kid will dominate domestically then go on to world honours!!

[Kid Lucky]

I'm not sure that looking at his offence in his 2 fights so far is that helpful to assessing.

we'll only see if he's got it to operate at world class once he's matched against fighters who will come to him and try to overpower him which will suit his style I think. Don't know what his chins like either.

[DGLASS JAW]

forget what he done in the ams ..that's shits not boxing its sword fencing ...the lad is not going nowhere .

[rhinocoote]

he doesn't look like he is having a "fun time" at this early stage of his career?
he seems a little out of depth defensively and tends to get caught with sucker punches.
i like his workrate and his persistance though and he also moves well to the side,but moves back in straight lines.quite a dangerous mix i think.
as for true world class?,perhaps he can make some necessary improvements,he is young with a good heart.or perhaps he will be a decent world fighter who takes a few- to throw a few? (froch?)
either way it is great to have the olympians on an undercard,they are being marketed well,even most of my footy-loving mates know who these lads are!
most impressed with billy-jo,he looks a great exciting fighter!

[debaser]

Of course there's a chance. You're using his performance in his first two pro bouts as the rational for prediciting the outcome of his entire career, most foolish.

There are a hundred and one things that he can improve upon but he is in the very early days of learning his trade. Wonder how many people would have predicted Bernard Hopkins would go on to be a HOF candidate after his first two pro bouts.

Give the lad a chance ffs.

[robpalmer135]

Frankie beat Alexey Tishenko in the world championships in Chicago!!

At the time the Russian was unbeaten in 3 years in all competitions and regarded as the best Am on the planet bar none!! Frankie beat him and beat him easily in Chicago!! To win by 9 points against a Russian is a huge victory..It's like an outclassed rule over here..No ONE expected Frankie to beat Tishenko, Only those close to him like myself,Ste Smith and possibly Edwards!!

I feel if you all give Frankie Gavin time he'll show you why he was Britians ONLY world champion..The kid has everything he really does!! Speed,skill the whole package, He's punching harder everyday and is one of the most dedicated kids I have ever seen, He's boxed great in patches in both his pro fights BUT let's not forget he's had to go searching for his opponents and that's not his strongest point!!

You'll see the best of him when someone is trying nail him who is dangerous!! He's the hardest thing I've ever seen to hit!! He's unreal on his day and trust me when I say it A FUTURE WORLD CHAMPION...

this guy couldnt make weight for the olympics, that tells you something about dedication. and we all know it was his own fault because we have all seen photos of him out on the piss months and weeks before the olympics. also we keep hearing stories about him getting into allot of trouble outside the ring and liking something that ryhmes with joke a bit to much, im not saying there 100% true but theres never rumours without some substance.

I also think hes major problem so far has been how easy he is to hit.

[DGLASS JAW]

this guy couldnt make weight for the olympics, that tells you something about dedication. and we all know it was his own fault because we have all seen photos of him out on the piss months and weeks before the olympics. also we keep hearing stories about him getting into allot of trouble outside the ring and liking something that ryhmes with joke a bit to much, im not saying there 100% true but theres never rumours without some substance.

I also think hes major problem so far has been how easy he is to hit.tottally agree.... very hard to hit has a am but I'm surprised how easy he is to hit in the pros.