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brown bomber
05-15-2009, 07:47 PM
Warrior. Gentleman.:deal

Blue145
05-15-2009, 07:55 PM
I disagree, he could of won that fight, boxing is a brutal sport and has no time for nice people inside the ring. Sure be nice and kind outside of it, but you don't think he was slightly stupid for doing that?

Guy
05-15-2009, 07:57 PM
I like Marty Rogan and feel sorry for him but he blew it....

SouthpawSlayer
05-15-2009, 07:58 PM
he shouldnt of been stopped

PrideOfWales
05-15-2009, 08:02 PM
It was an unsatisfactory ending... I feel like we were cheated out of the real ending. Great fight though, good clash of styles where they both had success. Would like to see it all again when Rogan's had a bit of a rest.

punchdrunkgench
05-15-2009, 08:02 PM
he shouldnt of been stopped

u cant seriously want to see fighters fighting on risking long term damage when the eye was as fuked as that

GPater11093
05-15-2009, 08:04 PM
Look Rogans eye was a mess and it was a good stoppage but it shouldnt have happened.

Sexton was badly hurt and Rogan asked the referee to stop[ the fight the fight should have been stopped before that terrible refereeing Sexton was in trouble.

Rogan my hat goes off to you as it takes balls to do that but boxings boxing and nice guys never win

Anthony Farnell
05-15-2009, 08:04 PM
All this good sportsmanship shite, he bottled it.

GazOC
05-15-2009, 08:05 PM
There were def. issues with the reffing thoughout the fight but I don't think you can criticise the actual stoppage. The eye was fucked, even if he'd had let Rogan finish the last 20 seconds of the round it still would have been stopped before the next round started.

king s
05-15-2009, 08:06 PM
You cant take nothing away from sexton thou, he fought a good fight and was dominating in the early rounds.

Dan684
05-15-2009, 08:08 PM
Gaz, I never watched it but do you not believe Rogan could have finished it in those 20 seconds ? If so then surely it was terrible reffing, why not just let him try and finish it ?

GPater11093
05-15-2009, 08:09 PM
in my eyes teh fight should have been stopped when the right hand landed that backed Sexton onto the ropes. The eye stopppage was fair but it was poor refereeing throughout actually terrible refereeing Sexton could have got hurt and i mean hurt.

I like Dave Parris as a referee but if he cant stop a fight when a fighter is in trouble hes not doing his job but hopefully this was a 1 off. I did think Parris would be the wrong ref for this fight as he is abit too strict and i think this was a fight taht should have been left to flow

The Bang Benang
05-15-2009, 08:10 PM
There were def. issues with the reffing thoughout the fight but I don't think you can criticise the actual stoppage. The eye was fucked, even if he'd had let Rogan finish the last 20 seconds of the round it still would have been stopped before the next round started.

The ref was a joke though, Dave Paris pisses me off, even in the Khan-Barrera fight he waits right 4 rounds to check with the doctor, Rogan gets swelling in the 6th i think and is almost instantly sent to the doctor, hes a prick.

But i think a rematch would be a huge domestic battle, i hope FW makes it after a few months, it would sell and this time Rogan would go for the kill without slowing down.

But WHAT A FIGHT, Martin Rogan ALWAYS gives good fights, his fight with Skelton was absolute war, miles better than the world title fights at HW, and this was too, i was on the edge of my seat. Good performance and heart by both of them.

RebelBhoy
05-15-2009, 08:10 PM
Sexton fought a great fight, but he was totally gone. He said he was still composed but I don't buy that for a second.

The stoppage was the correct decision but all the decisions leading up to that leave a lot to be desired.

Blue145
05-15-2009, 08:11 PM
Gaz, I never watched it but do you not believe Rogan could have finished it in those 20 seconds ? If so then surely it was terrible reffing, why not just let him try and finish it ?

Rogan had the chance to finish it, but he was looking at the ref to stop it without doing anything, giving Sexton time to recover.

PrideOfWales
05-15-2009, 08:12 PM
Gaz, I never watched it but do you not believe Rogan could have finished it in those 20 seconds ? If so then surely it was terrible reffing, why not just let him try and finish it ?

To me, the issue was more that Sexton was allowed far too much time to recover after being badly hurt...........

BUT it wasn't just too much time from Parris - you also had Sexton's little pro trick of spitting the gumshield out and Rogan not finishing him off.

Briggs
05-15-2009, 08:13 PM
There were def. issues with the reffing thoughout the fight but I don't think you can criticise the actual stoppage. The eye was fucked, even if he'd had let Rogan finish the last 20 seconds of the round it still would have been stopped before the next round started.

There was every chance that Rogan could've finished it in those 20 seconds. Sexton was still all over the place.

This was a Commonwealth title fight, you gotta give the fighters a chance. It's not like Sexton was punching heavily at that point, actually he was pretty much done, so Rogan didn't need protecting that much.

GazOC
05-15-2009, 08:15 PM
Gaz, I never watched it but do you not believe Rogan could have finished it in those 20 seconds ? If so then surely it was terrible reffing, why not just let him try and finish it ?


I agree, why not give it the 20 seconds, let the corner work on it for another 60 and then call the Doctor for an opinion just before the next round starts?

Having said that I don't believe that decision altered the fight at all, at the time of the stoppage Sexton had weathered the storm and Rogan looked tired, the round was just petering out TBH.

GPater11093
05-15-2009, 08:30 PM
lads you are being unfair on parris saying he should have let it continue for 20 seconds. He is not the time keeper and he shouldnt care how much time there is left in a round i think that was a spot on decision by him to take him to the doctor then but it shouldnt have happened as Sexton should have been stopped

NO MAS
05-15-2009, 10:48 PM
Rogan had the chance to finish it, but he was looking at the ref to stop it without doing anything, giving Sexton time to recover.

Agreed... Lack of savvy at the Championship level.... I am gutted for Rogie... he was unlucky but that is boxing..his eye was in a very poor state indeed..... I dont think that Sexton will be in a rush to fight Rogie again and I doubt it will be in the contracts to go again either....:think

JonOli
05-16-2009, 12:26 AM
xnYoXbLSWGg

Freedom
05-16-2009, 12:42 AM
xnYoXLSWGg
Thanks Oli.:smoke

Farmboxer
05-16-2009, 04:14 AM
Rogan was cheated.

Ilesey
05-16-2009, 05:03 AM
No, I disagree.

Sexton was winning the fight and Rogan's amateurish mistakes cost him.

People's love affair with Rogie is getting a little outta hand......

Ilesey
05-16-2009, 05:03 AM
lads you are being unfair on parris saying he should have let it continue for 20 seconds. He is not the time keeper and he shouldnt care how much time there is left in a round i think that was a spot on decision by him to take him to the doctor then but it shouldnt have happened as Sexton should have been stopped

:good

ron u.k.
05-16-2009, 05:11 AM
No, I disagree.

Sexton was winning the fight and Rogan's amateurish mistakes cost him.

People's love affair with Rogie is getting a little outta hand...... Spot on.:good People are forgetting that Sexton had boxed Rogan's head off up till that point,so because Sexton's in trouble for a few seconds they want it stopped.It's Rogan's own fault because he should have steamed in and tried to finish him but didn't.Having said that i thought a usually good referee was crap on the night.

phonk
05-16-2009, 05:19 AM
The doctor held up three fingers on one hand and covered Rogan's good eye with his other hand. He then asked him how many fingers he was holding up. Rogan replied "five". Fight over. No complaints.

itrymariti
05-16-2009, 05:30 AM
It's easy to say Rogan should have finished him; but what if Sexton's corner actually had pulled him out - as Sexton was indicating to Rogan at the time - and Rogan had gone and blown his head off? He'd be getting abused for doing a James Butler.

slapbangwhallop
05-16-2009, 05:37 AM
lads you are being unfair on parris saying he should have let it continue for 20 seconds. He is not the time keeper and he shouldnt care how much time there is left in a round i think that was a spot on decision by him to take him to the doctor then but it shouldnt have happened as Sexton should have been stopped

are you trying to tell me that Parris wasnt aware of approximately how much was left in the round. I dont accept that - he is a experienced ref and refs with that much behind have an in built timer and know how long is left.

At the time that Parris stopped the fight was Rogan in any trouble, was he coming forward and throwing, was he potentially about to win the fight?

I have never seen a fight stopped like that when he was potentially about to stop his opponent?

slapbangwhallop
05-16-2009, 05:39 AM
The doctor held up three fingers on one hand and covered Rogan's good eye with his other hand. He then asked him how many fingers he was holding up. Rogan replied "five". Fight over. No complaints.

no complaints about the doctor actually stopping it. His eye was fucked and it would have been stopped sooner or later - however at the time Parris called a halt then Rogan was in no bother at all

trotter
05-16-2009, 07:10 AM
Bizarre ending, that's for sure. Slightly strange that Parris couldn't just wait, just think to hiimself 'between rounds that gets checked'.

But once the doc says he can't see that is it.

But Rogan has only himself to blame, he knew he was vulnerable to the stoppage at any time, he got a free shot and turned it down.

trotter
05-16-2009, 07:12 AM
People are forgetting that Sexton had boxed Rogan's head off up till that point,so because Sexton's in trouble for a few seconds they want it stopped.

Sorry Ron but the first part of that doesn't matter at all.

And the second part isn't right, he was doing a mummy impression and was totally out on his feet.

GazOC
05-16-2009, 07:14 AM
It's easy to say Rogan should have finished him; but what if Sexton's corner actually had pulled him out - as Sexton was indicating to Rogan at the time - and Rogan had gone and blown his head off? He'd be getting abused for doing a James Butler.

If you look Sexton wasn't saying his corner had stopped the fight, he was pointing to his gumshield on the floor. Sure it was a buying time tactic but its Rogans fault he didn't finish Sexton.

moorser
05-16-2009, 07:15 AM
at the end of the day it was a great fight up until the bizarre ending , a rematch is a must hopefully for the vacant ebu belt , sexton is a good boxer not sure about his heart or chin

GPater11093
05-16-2009, 07:36 AM
are you trying to tell me that Parris wasnt aware of approximately how much was left in the round. I dont accept that - he is a experienced ref and refs with that much behind have an in built timer and know how long is left.



No i am not saying that Parris probably knew there wasnt long left but that is not his duty he should stop the fight when he feels he needs to no matter how long remains. For example Julio Cesar Chavez stopped Meldrick Taylor with 3 seconds to go IMO that is one of the best refereeing decisions ever. A refs priority is to protect a fighter not keep the time.



At the time that Parris stopped the fight was Rogan in any trouble, was he coming forward and throwing, was he potentially about to win the fight?



No Rogan was not i any trouble but his eye was terrible it wasnt a stoppage where Rogan was badly staggered it was because his eye was a mess and he couldnt see. And he was not about to win the fight he had missed taht boat already.


I have never seen a fight stopped like that when he was potentially about to stop his opponent?

Either have i but it happened

butler08
05-16-2009, 07:39 AM
well done marty you deserved the win champ
get sexton in a rematch quick

Robot16
05-16-2009, 10:46 AM
The ref was a joke though, Dave Paris pisses me off, even in the Khan-Barrera fight he waits right 4 rounds to check with the doctor, Rogan gets swelling in the 6th i think and is almost instantly sent to the doctor, hes a prick.

, i was on the edge of my seat. Good performance and heart by both of them.

Agreed on the comparison to the Khan fight.

Also i was on the edge of my seat too great fight, bad reffing which changed the fight

ryanm8655
05-16-2009, 12:04 PM
Did anyone else notice Rogan's eye was marked up before he even got hit? Around his eye was bruised yellow.

A shame he didn't get the stoppage, other than quick hands sexton has absolutely nothing though imo and isn't going anywhere...

Robot16
05-16-2009, 12:07 PM
Did anyone else notice Rogan's eye was marked up before he even got hit? Around his eye was bruised yellow.

A shame he didn't get the stoppage, other than quick hands sexton has absolutely nothing though imo and isn't going anywhere...

Yeah i noticed it too, i was surprised abit, i thought they would have stopped the hard work in time for him to heal.
He was sparring kevin johnson

NO MAS
05-16-2009, 12:09 PM
The doctor held up three fingers on one hand and covered Rogan's good eye with his other hand. He then asked him how many fingers he was holding up. Rogan replied "five". Fight over. No complaints.

Top post phonk :good

slapbangwhallop
05-16-2009, 12:12 PM
Top post phonk :good

whats top about it? Both quotes are incorrect?

achillesthegreat
05-16-2009, 12:14 PM
Gutted that Rogan didn't close the show. Immediate rematch needed so he can put the record straight.

ron u.k.
05-16-2009, 04:00 PM
Sorry Ron but the first part of that doesn't matter at all.

And the second part isn't right, he was doing a mummy impression and was totally out on his feet. Yes i agree he looked out of it,but Rogan still didn't move in so it's his own fault,and to be fair by the time he did Sexton still had enough of his marbles to throw a few at him.

JonOli
05-16-2009, 09:27 PM
xnYoXbLSWGg


Sexton turning his back, in the corner, like that when he was nearly out on his feet, and the ref jumping in and warning Rogan for hitting on the back of the head was a bit off...

Perhaps i'm wrong... I'm not too up on ref rules they seem to vary..

If your going down in the corner, is totally turning your back on your opponent, acceptable for the ref to jump in and give you a break?

GazOC
05-16-2009, 09:29 PM
Jon,

I see Sexton getting turned around/ spun by the punches, not really turning his back.

Just my 2p..........

JonOli
05-16-2009, 10:03 PM
Jon,

I see Sexton getting turned around/ spun by the punches, not really turning his back.

Just my 2p..........




2.20 in... yea it's harsh to say it's intentional, but the gum spitting trick makes me wonder..

It's an odd one, what is Rogan supposed to do?

The time it takes the ref to tell Rogan off for thowing punches, allows Sexton recovery time. It's not like Rogans aiming purposely at the back of his head - he just can't hit him.

A couple more punches and I think Sexton is at least down there. How can you punch a man hanging on the corner like that though... how can you have a go at Rogan for trying to hit him (something which gives Sexton time to recover).

There's not enough to call any foul play though... it's just all an odd bit of tangle up... the time taken to warn Rogan ( for hitting on the back of the head) does give time for recovery to Sexton. Had the ref let him straight back at Sexton, after a second or so, things may have been different, imho...

GazOC
05-16-2009, 10:16 PM
I think a rematch is needed but I also don't think its anywhere near the robbery that some are claiming.

icemax
05-17-2009, 04:22 AM
Jon,

I see Sexton getting turned around/ spun by the punches, not really turning his back.

Just my 2p..........

I think you and I are the only two who do see it that way...no way Sexton turned his back:deal