Billy Graham reportedly suing Hatton

[Betty Swollocks]

Trainer Billy Graham Sues Ricky Hatton For £1 million

by James Slater - More bad news for Ricky Hatton. Not only does the British boxing superstar lose by a brutal 2nd round knockout to Manny Pacquiao - very possibly suffering a career-ending loss in doing so - but now his former trainer, Billy Graham is reportedly suing "The Hitman" for a whopping £1 million! According to Mirror Sport, 53-year-old Graham, once a father figure to Hatton, is suing over payment he is still owed from both the Juan Lazcano and Floyd Mayweather Junior fights. Reportedly, Graham was paid £530,000 for the Mayweather Junior fight, but he claims that this amount is considerably less than the ten percent he should have been paid for that fight. Graham says he has not been paid anything at all for the Lazcano fight..

So far, there have been no reply comments made by Ricky, but this is indeed an issue that is likely to upset him. Graham, nicknamed "The Preacher," is the man who discovered Hatton well over a decade ago, and the two forged a deep and seemingly everlasting bond as the young fighter worked his way up the pro ranks to world title glory. Now it looks as though this friendship is gone for good. Hatton famously sacked Graham last summer, and hired the services of the extrovert Floyd Mayweather Senior as a replacement.

This move stunned Graham, but he has recently revealed that the critical verbal job Mayweather Senior did on him in public, with Hatton by his side and saying nothing in his defence, hurt a whole lot more than his being let go did. And now, further driving a wedge between the two men, is the court action Graham has/is taking.

Graham tipped his former fighter to defeat Manny Pacquiao on May 2nd, saying he felt Hatton would win in sensational style. After the fight, however, Graham said he'd made his prediction based on the old Ricky Hatton. But after the fight, Graham told Boxing News that "the real Ricky Hatton is not there any more." Graham also said he would never wish to see Ricky go anywhere near a boxing ring again.

Hatton has yet to make up his mind as to whether or not he carries on with his boxing career, but there is absolutely no chance of a re-hiring of Graham now, should he indeed choose to fight again.
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any comments on this?

[Beeston Brawler]

I am not getting into a debate here, but the guy should pay his bills.

Nothing more needs to be said.

[xoborp]

I think it is disgraceful that Billy Graham has to resort to suing Hatton, after everything that this man did for Ricky over the years, Hatton should be ashamed of himself and stop pointing the finger at Billy Graham for his loss against PBF, he should pay up immediately.

[brown bomber]

Apparently your only entitled to 10% of your fighters purse, the promoter sets the purse! Hatton partly promoted both fights and can pay himself what he wants! In other words he will be very lucky to be awarded anything .

[SouthpawSlayer]

fat greedy cunt

[punchdrunkgench]

i think ricky(man of the people) has lost touch abit ,i hate it when things like this happen as it casts a shadow over what they both achieved together,my monies on an out of court settlement for about hlf the amount mentioned

[Beeston Brawler]

I hate to stick the boot in because I am essentially a Hatton fan, but 'The Man of the People disappeared after the Castillo fight.

[DGLASS JAW]

hattons turned in to a greedy fucker...blame cockroach ray hatton.

[NO MAS]

I hate to stick the boot in because I am essentially a Hatton fan, but 'The Man of the People disappeared after the Castillo fight.

Top post.. I agree.. I went to that fight and it all exploded then.....that is when Billy Graham apparently warned Hatton off PBF at 147... cos lets have it right... Hatton aint a 147 fighter....

As with a previous post... he should pay up but HoS made a good point... if he has co-promoted the show it could leave Billy in a tricky spot... the bottom line is that if he employed him.. he should be paid :good

[Danny]

Whatever the outcome of this, Billy Graham better not ever try coming out with nonsene such as: "I really care for Ricky", or anything like that because all that talk is just complete bollocks!

If you care for someone, you do not sue them!

This just shows you money talks & bullshit walks!

[Fat Joe]

That's garbage Danny

[djoc175]

Whatever the outcome of this, Billy Graham better not ever try coming out with nonsene such as: "I really care for Ricky", or anything like that because all that talk is just complete bollocks!

If you care for someone, you do not sue them!

This just shows you money talks & bullshit walks!
If Hatton cared for long time friend Graham,he'd pay him without needing legal intervention.Business is business.Its the same as if a plumber came round to do some work for you,they'd expect to be paid wouldn't they?Why is this different?He gets off becuase they are/were friends?That makes the whole thing worse

I'm not shitting on Hatton after the loss but the man of the people is bullshit like people already said.He said himself he and Billy Graham never needed more than a handshake,no legal bullshit apparently:-(:-(

[FLINT ISLAND]

Hatton fucked off ******

Hatton fucked of Graham

Hatton still hangs around with Ray Hatton and Matthew Hatton

Hatton proved blood is thicker than Water

[Tony Bellew]

I am not getting into a debate here, but the guy should pay his bills.

Nothing more needs to be said.

Couldn't have worded that better myself!!!

[Dan684]

Hey bomber congrats on yesterday pal :-)

[Tony Bellew]

Hey bomber congrats on yesterday pal :-)


Thanks a lot pal..:good

[Dan684]

Nice one pal. When you out next ? You gonna be on the Khan card ? Really fancy going to this now !

[Betty Swollocks]

Danny - what a load of bollocks.

Hatton's true colours being shown up again here. Also note that Graham has said he's upset that Hatton just sat there as Mayweather Snr ripped Graham. What a fucking sell-out the self-proclaimed 'man of the people' is. Make no mistake people.....Hatton is out for Hatton and nobody else. Not 'me fans' and not 'me great pal Billy'.

[kel]

FFS Graham got half a million pds for the Mayweather fight, what does he think he's worth?? If he didn't get paid for the Luzcano fight that's a different story.

[radab]

I'm caught in two minds over this. I'm a huge fan of Billy, and Ricky made the biggest mistake of his life in firing him, but i can never agree with taking someone to court and trying to use the law as some way to get even for bitterness/jealousy/rage

[TheUzi]

FFS Graham got half a million pds for the Mayweather fight, what does he think he's worth?? If he didn't get paid for the Luzcano fight that's a different story.

If he's contracted to get 10 percent he's entitled to that no matter how ineffective you or I feel he is as a coach.

What would you do if you had a deal in place with your work and they went back on it?

[kel]

If he's contracted to get 10 percent he's entitled to that no matter how ineffective you or I feel he is as a coach.

What would you do if you had a deal in place with your work and they went back on it?

Actually i had a deal with my employer that i'd get anywhere between 10-15% bonus when i met my targets. Targets achieved but due to economic crisis only got 5%

I just have to suck it up. Happy just to have a job.

Graham shld be happy he got what he did.

[9Ball]

Actually i had a deal with my employer that i'd get anywhere between 10-15% bonus when i met my targets. Targets achieved but due to economic crisis only got 5%

I just have to suck it up. Happy just to have a job.

Graham shld be happy he got what he did.

That is bollocks. You should take your employer to a tribunal if they are not paying you what your contract says.

As far as Graham goes, it was mentioned that he and Ricky didn't need a contract. Does that mean they didn't have one?? I have heard 10% mentioned before as a trainers fee. Who knows what has gone on in the background. Apparently they haven't spoken since the split. Maybe Ricky has just forgot to send him the cheque :smooch

[doylexxx]

When purses are that high 10 pecent goes out the window

A trainer getting even 500 000 for a couple months camp is madness

[punchdrunkgench]

When purses are that high 10 pecent goes out the window

A trainer getting even 500 000 for a couple months camp is madness

that goes against the grain of the deall it is fair to say that the reason hatton was getting so much money was partly down to grahams hard work no one can deny he has been instrumental in helping get ricky to the top he probably used to train hatton at a loss to start with he has invested in this kids future and deserves to reap the rewards of his hard work

[dan-b]

Actually i had a deal with my employer that i'd get anywhere between 10-15% bonus when i met my targets. Targets achieved but due to economic crisis only got 5%

I just have to suck it up. Happy just to have a job.

Graham shld be happy he got what he did.

There's a massive difference between those two scenarios though. Your company's net profit probably took a hit due to the economic crisis but Hatton would have been paid in full regardless.

[Brummy1976]

Danny - what a load of bollocks.

Hatton's true colours being shown up again here. Also note that Graham has said he's upset that Hatton just sat there as Mayweather Snr ripped Graham. What a fucking sell-out the self-proclaimed 'man of the people' is. Make no mistake people.....Hatton is out for Hatton and nobody else. Not 'me fans' and not 'me great pal Billy'.I thought everytime mayweather snr was mouthin off bout graham it made hatton look like the biggest idiot going.Totally unproffesional.Hatton looked real cheap everytime mayweather opened hes pathetic trap

[scrap]

What about the previous Ten years when He was getting Fcuk All. Managers get 25% for doing Less.

[brown bomber]

Most trainers of high profile fighters work for a set wage instead of a percentage once the purses get crazy, the board has a policy for this exact scenario. The fighter and trainer are meant to agree the fee before the fight takes place! I'd imagine they have worked off a handshake for some time! I'd suggest the 500,000 figure is the agreed amount. The fight where they split, billy would have worked under the impression he would be earning that 500k- at some point they have a fall out. Billy makes a stand about their agreement and Hatton- the promoter, pays himself 500,000 billy is then entitled to 50,000. Significantly less then the 500,000 he thought he'd be getting. He doesn't accept it and then tries to excercise the 10% for the mayweather fight in protest.

[brown bomber]

This we have a non payment and a underpayment been investigated

[cockney wankers]

I very strongly suspect that this has much more to do with that greedy money grabbing Ray Hatton than Ricky Hatton.Let's face it, Ricky won't have anything to do with the administratative side of matters. Ray will

[cockney wankers]

Or I'll put it another way......


Can you inagine Ricky saying 'Don't pay that cunt what he's owed'? I can't

Can you imagine Ray saying 'Don't pay that cunt what he's owed'? YES I CAN!!

[Beeston Brawler]

Ray Hatton has proven himself to be an idiot on numerous occasions, such as after the Lazcano fight, saying 'it wouldn't be Ricky Hatton if something didn't happen' rather than admitting that the performance was lacklustre.

As Ricky's manager he should be responsible for paying bills. Graham should be suing Ray surely?

[scrap]

This smells of Dishonesty, who lives in a House like this
.

[Dibbs]

As someone said you pay your bills, look at the boxer/promoter scenario of Calzaghe/******, Calzaghe needing to enforce legal action to get what he is owed which is exactly what he should be doing. Graham still done a job for Hatton, he should have also been paid for the bouts prior to his dismissal, Hatton put business first, friendship second, and that's the way Graham should play it, loyalty doesn't come into it now, it's business.

[doylexxx]

roach got 400 000 for the de lahoya fight, the fact is that there only so much that a trainer can actually do and a vast amount of fighters large purses have more to do with the fighters level of popularity than anything else.

Also fighters and trainers traditionally dont have contracts so its all verbal, nothing can stand up.

Anybody remember when Pac fough Larios in Philipines???

****** Fortune was Freddies second back then and Roach couldnt go due to Oscar I think ,

yeah well Fortune took the cash a couple of hundred grand meant for freddie and just kept it and went home to Austrailia

Hopefully Moorer dont do the same to him lol

[doylexxx]

Why is the word J-U-S-T-I N blocked???

[trotter]

Also fighters and trainers traditionally dont have contracts so its all verbal, nothing can stand up.



Well that's the first problem isn't it

In a business like this you do NOTHING on a verbal basis if you've any sense

That said, if Graham can prove he'd always been paid 10% perhaps a court would accept that as a contractual term

And if he'd always got 10% and nothing was said to suggest otherwise before the fight, he should get his 10%, morally

[Brummy1976]

Or I'll put it another way......


Can you inagine Ricky saying 'Don't pay that cunt what he's owed'? I can't

Can you imagine Ray saying 'Don't pay that cunt what he's owed'? YES I CAN!!Ray hatton gets toooo much grief.Cant ricky over rule everyone and PAY THE MAN. Tight cunt

[Betty Swollocks]

Ray hatton gets toooo much grief.Cant ricky over rule everyone and PAY THE MAN. Tight cunt


exactly. It's also clear how he treats the guy who helped him so much, by letting his new scumbag trainer talk shite about Graham while sat next to him.
The conensus view seems to be that Graham is a stand-up guy. So who is the problem/parasite in all this? Not hard to work it out now is it.

[fatcity]

Hatton's true colors show.A man of the people-bullshit.:-(

[DGLASS JAW]

dont think billy stands a chances ...just a verbal agreement ...no contract....the hattons are greedy fuckers.

[NO MAS]

As someone said you pay your bills, look at the boxer/promoter scenario of Calzaghe/******, Calzaghe needing to enforce legal action to get what he is owed which is exactly what he should be doing. Graham still done a job for Hatton, he should have also been paid for the bouts prior to his dismissal, Hatton put business first, friendship second, and that's the way Graham should play it,
loyalty doesn't come into it now, it's business.

In the words of a well known promoter from the 70's and 80's................... If you want loyalty go and buy a dog..... :yep:yep

[safc1990]

dont think billy stands a chances ...just a verbal agreement ...no contract....the hattons are greedy fuckers.

Agreed

[doylexxx]

graham got 500 000 for the floyd fight, talk about being overpaid

[Danny]

I very strongly suspect that this has much more to do with that greedy money grabbing Ray Hatton than Ricky Hatton.Let's face it, Ricky won't have anything to do with the administratative side of matters. Ray will

I hope, but that, you do not mean Ray Hatton is any more computer literate or more admistrative minded than Ricky, because I find that very hard to believe!

[doylexxx]

I hope, but that, you do not mean Ray Hatton is any more computer literate or more admistrative minded than Ricky, because I find that very hard to believe!


Running pubs and other business probably means that he is far better actually,.

[brown bomber]

In the words of a well known promoter from the 70's and 80's................... If you want loyalty go and buy a dog..... :yep:yep:lol:

The Farnell love is almost unforgivable, but that gem may have saved you.

[Farmboxer]

oh well...........

["TKO"]

any comments on this?


Could not care less to be honest, it's a commercial dispute between two individual parties. There will either be a different story coming out of the Hatton camp (i.e. the two parties are in dispute over whether money is, in fact owed,) in which case the court will adjudicate, or else it will be an administrative cock up with the money to be paid shortly.

As for Mayweather, he is an idiot everyone knows that, but what is Hatton supposed to do, start a big open-air row with his current trainer? Surely a great way to encourage harmony in the camp. I strongly suspect words were had in private, which is the way it should be. The Hatton-Graham split has been discussed a thousand times and the bottom line is if he had reached the stage where he was physically unable to do the job anymore then there was simply no option.

You remain a boring, monotonenous, repetitive tool!

[icemax]

Good solid post TKO...I strongly agree with your final point

[TFFP]

Could not care less to be honest, it's a commercial dispute between two individual parties. There will either be a different story coming out of the Hatton camp (i.e. the two parties are in dispute over whether money is, in fact owed,) in which case the court will adjudicate, or else it will be an administrative cock up with the money to be paid shortly.

As for Mayweather, he is an idiot everyone knows that, but what is Hatton supposed to do, start a big open-air row with his current trainer? Surely a great way to encourage harmony in the camp. I strongly suspect words were had in private, which is the way it should be. The Hatton-Graham split has been discussed a thousand times and the bottom line is if he had reached the stage where he was physically unable to do the job anymore then there was simply no option.

You remain a boring, monotonenous, repetitive tool!
An administrative error?

What...hundreds of thousands of GBP? Some error that.

[Beeston Brawler]

:lol:

Did he agree to pay the money in two installments and forgot to press 'SUBMIT' on [Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) for the second payment?

:smoke

["TKO"]

An administrative error?

What...hundreds of thousands of GBP? Some error that.

Ricky Hatton has earned scores, if not hundreds, of millions in his career. A few hundred grand is not so massive in the scheme of things. I don't know how the arrangement operates between Ricky and Graham, but unpaid bills happen all the time, who knows maybe his accountants have lost the invoice or something - would not be an unusual situation in business. If the money is legitimately owed then I have no doubt it will be paid soon, however, as per my previous post there is a strong possibility that the story from the Hatton camp will be rather different.