Carlos Zarate v Rafael Marquez

[D-MAC]

At Bantamweight.

Two massive hitters.

Who wins?

[Raging B(_)LL]

I think Zarate would win this more often than not due to his significant advantages in height and reach which he knew how to use very well. Also, with Rafael having those shaky whiskers of his I just don`t see him surviving too long against Zarate, as soon as he gets stunned the end won`t be far off as Carlos was a very good finisher... bad style matchup for Marquez this fight is imo.

[D-MAC]

I think Zarate would win this more often than not due to his significant advantages in height and reach which he knew how to use very well. Also, with Rafael having those shaky whiskers of his I just don`t see him surviving too long against Zarate, as soon as he gets stunned the end won`t be far off as Carlos was a very good finisher... bad style matchup for Marquez this fight is imo.

Austin had good height and reach as well, plus he could also bang plenty, but Marquez pulled it out against him. It was an older Austin, but still an unbeaten Austin.

Do you think that the version of Marquez after he won the title, when he turned towards more of a boxer-puncher style, would stand a good chance against Zarate?

[robert ungurean]

Marquez is faster,but Zarate would have found him at some point and stopped him.

[Raging B(_)LL]

[QUOTE]Austin had good height and reach as well, plus he could also bang plenty, but Marquez pulled it out against him. It was an older Austin, but still an unbeaten Austin.

Austin was three inches shorter than Zarate, had a shorter reach as well and stylewise he wasn`t similar to Zarate at all and I doubt he hit as hard as Zarate did either. So I don`t see how bringing up Austin`s name here would change my opinion on the outcome for the reasons I already stated, he is a poor example to use if your looking for a fighter to compare to Carlos imo.

Do you think that the version of Marquez after he won the title, when he turned towards more of a boxer-puncher style, would stand a good chance against Zarate?

Well, he might last a few more rounds at best, but ultimately I think he gets knocked out whatever style he were to employ. Carlos was a damaging bodypuncher and hurt you with everything he landed to the midsection, and Rafa`s way of keeping his guard up makes him open for those left hooks to the liver which Carlos was so proficient at throwing so damn accurately.

Eventually Zarate would lower the boom after softening Rafael up to the body is the way I see it, but he may well just knock him flat suddenly with a well placed shot upstairs. Either way I don`t see Marquez winning, his chin is just too damn unreliable for me to give him a chance against one of the hardest hitting and accurate punching bantams in Zarate who was also more durable a fighter than Marquez.

[My2Sense]

If Zarate still had the nerves and intensity he had before the Gomez fight, I think he could win this with his shorter, more precise punching.

Post-Gomez, Zarate looked to me like he was a bit gunshy, and perhaps the loss took something away from his chin. In that case, the fight might be a different call.

[WhataRock]

Zarate quite early I would think...different class of fighter.

[The Funny Man 7]

Marquez has, or rather, had a style that would present problems for any bantamweight, with outstanding speed, ring intelligence, guts, and devastating power. I think he would stand a good chance to beat hot and cold Ruben Olivares, and would definitely give Zarate a run for his money, if he fought a bit more defensive. Rafael would maybe take 3 out of 10 fights between the two. He would stand a chance against Eder Jofre though.

[TommyV]

Austin had good height and reach as well, plus he could also bang plenty, but Marquez pulled it out against him. It was an older Austin, but still an unbeaten Austin.

I'll copy up a summary I did of the right a while ago:

Austin was causing him problems with his speed, his reach and was doubling up on the jab, throwing the overhand left or sweeping right uppercut behind it, just generally letting his hands go and causing some problems.

The stoppage came when he'd create some distance after they were trading at mid range, and then he had his hands low and Rafa nailed him with a 1-2 combination which stunned him. He then tried to back away with his hands down and continued to get nailed with left hook straight right combinations which eventually put him down.

He got up and then Rafa went to work, pressuring him and throwing big punches. Austin went on the defensive a bit and tried to cover up and got stopped on his feet as some of Marquez's big punches got through his guard.


As you can see Austin's reach caused problems. I think Zarate would use his reach well like Raging Bull said and eventually get the stoppage.

[la-califa]

Could be strikingly simular to the Alfonso Zamora fight. Both trading massive punches, Carlos a little more faster & polished ,lands the big blow around the fifth. & once Carlos has his man hurt...

[teeto]

Could be strikingly simular to the Alfonso Zamora fight. Both trading massive punches, Carlos a little more faster & polished ,lands the big blow around the fifth. & once Carlos has his man hurt...
It's very possible. I personally rate Marquez higher than most on here it seems. But i must say Zarate here

[D-MAC]

Thanks for the replies lads.:good