Serious question regarding Oscar and Shane

[MacManJr.]

Why does it seem like so many people feel Oscar is washed up but Shane isn't? They're the same age or close to it and have had almost the same number of fights. I'm not looking up the exact specifics. Point is when Floyd beat Oscar (even though I will admit Oscar is not in his prime) all the Floyd haters made it seem like nothing but a lot of the same people think it'll be Cotto's greatest victory if he beats Shane.

Somebody please explain.

For the record I don't think Shane is in his prime either but neither he or Oscar is washed up. I think both of them can beat Cotto.

I am not a Cotto hater or a Shane or Oscar nuthugger either. I actually like all 3 of them but Shane is my favorite of the 3.

[Oscar de la Roa]

mosley would beat cotto, oscar would murder him

[DanePugilist]

Almost reasons people thinks that RJJ is, and Hopkins isn't. Furthermore, Mosley was countered out, but came back - Oscar needs more wins. If Mosley gets destroyed by Cotto - you will probably hear the same things here - unfortunately.

[Lampley]

Why does it seem like so many people feel Oscar is washed up but Shane isn't? They're the same age or close to it and have had almost the same number of fights. I'm not looking up the exact specifics. Point is when Floyd beat Oscar (even though I will admit Oscar is not in his prime) all the Floyd haters made it seem like nothing but a lot of the same people think it'll be Cotto's greatest victory if he beats Shane.

Somebody please explain.

For the record I don't think Shane is in his prime either but neither he or Oscar is washed up. I think both of them can beat Cotto.

I am not a Cotto hater or a Shane or Oscar nuthugger either. I actually like all 3 of them but Shane is my favorite of the 3.

Prior to Floyd, Oscar had looked out of shape and awful against Sturm, and overmatched against Hopkins. Fair or not, wrong class or not, and even with the Mayo TKO, people view him as a declined fighter. He certainly looks declined to me in terms of footspeed and agility.

Mosley, on the other hand, outfight Vargas in a tough fight, then waxed him in the rematch. And then my personal opinion is that Collazo made him look like he has more left than he really does, and for that reason I'm picking Cotto. But the perception is that he is in very good form.

[MacManJr.]

Prior to Floyd, Oscar had looked out of shape and awful against Sturm, and overmatched against Hopkins. Fair or not, wrong class or not, and even with the Mayo TKO, people view him as a declined fighter. He certainly looks declined to me in terms of footspeed and agility.

Mosley, on the other hand, outfight Vargas in a tough fight, then waxed him in the rematch. And then my personal opinion is that Collazo made him look like he has more left than he really does, and for that reason I'm picking Cotto. But the perception is that he is in very good form.Yeah but a ton of people said Shane was done after the 2nd loss to Winky.

[Lampley]

Yeah but a ton of people said Shane was done after the 2nd loss to Winky.

Right, and that was a terrible matchup for him. I still think he's past his prime and can be worn down now in a way he couldn't be five years ago. Just a hunch, though. I'm rooting for him.

[MacManJr.]

Yeah both of them are past their prime but I think a win over either one of them is a big deal. Only way I can say their washed up is if they just get destroyed by somebody by early KO or stoppage or just completely dominated for 12 rounds.

[BITCH ASS]

I don't think Mosley is going to be able to take it to the boyd.

Cotto is gonna get him.

[Marnoff]

People are only saying Oscar is finished because he lost to Floyd... and they hate Floyd as much as they like Oscar. He's definitely not in his prime, but I believe he still may have a lot left. Enough to beat any B class fighters and some A class, especially if they're not on their games. The time Oscar takes off between fights lets him recuperate, and he trains hard at training camp.

[MacManJr.]

People are only saying Oscar is finished because he lost to Floyd... and they hate Floyd as much as they like Oscar. He's definitely not in his prime, but I believe he still may have a lot left. Enough to beat any B class fighters and some A class, especially if they're not on their games. The time Oscar takes off between fights lets him recuperate, and he trains hard at training camp.That's exactly my point and I agree 100%

[the_what]

There aint anything serious about the question.

[Dorfmeister]

Ring Magazine Extra edition October 2006, article "De La Hoya - Mayweather The Ring Answers the Vital Questions about Boxing's Biggest Fight" by William Dettloff - "...The personification of De La Hoya's Acilles heel is Mosley, whose combination of exceptional hand speed, physical strength, and endurance beat him twice. Too fast for De La Hoya to outbox, too strong for him to outpunch, and too well-conditioned to outlast. Mayweather has two of these characteristics." - I hope this quote, with due apologies/appreciation to W. Dettloff and ESB, answers the questions raised in this thread.

[TroubleLurks]

A prime Mosley puts Cotto's head into the third row. This version puts it in the first row, that's all.

[BigReg]

With all the hype people failed to realise that Oscar looked great aganist Floyd.

No he didn't, his defense was pretty good but that's about it. For a good portion of the fight he just stood in the middle of the ring and did nothing. Most of his offense consisted of him pinning Mayweather against the ropes and throwing flailing arm punches that were blocked or barely landed. Not to mention he seemed to get tired and frustrated and never really untilized his jab.

[BigReg]

He's defense was good, he was more committed to the body than he ever was, if he could remember to throw his jab he'd give hell to any fighter because when he jabbed Mayweather had no answer for it and it snapped his head back. Plus Oscar was in great shape I don't think he faded in the later rounds its just Mayweather turned it up.

And of course he'd get frustrated he was getting beat by a guy who was talking shit to him for 6 months and couldn't land a flush punch.

Not only did he rarely land any good jabs, he rarely threw any. There was one stretch in one round where he was controlling Floyd with that jab. I have no doubt that Oscar can compete and look good against a smaller guy who will just stand in front of him and take punches. However, against Floyd he did not look good, nobody looks against Floyd. Not even Castillo looked good against Mayweather in their first fight, and that was closest anyone has ever come to beating Floyd.

[DoumB]

oscar murder cotto?!!! you really must be smoking crack!!! chicken de la hoya is scared of cotto thats why he put the excuse that millie doesnt want him to fight against another PR!!!! COTTO TKO mosley in 10!!!! COTTO ko DE LA HOYA IN 5!!!!

another PR I suppose?

[DoumB]

A prime Mosley puts Cotto's head into the third row. This version puts it in the first row, that's all.

:lol: :good

[PR Boxing Lore]

another PR I suppose?
Your name suits you very well,DUMB BO:lol: Your psychic powers of deduction are amazing.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

I don't think that is the case, and I think that most people even feel that Oscar really beat Shane in their last fight. However, Shane stays more active than Oscar, even as far as staying in shape goes... while Oscar lets his body go during his off time, and spends more time promoting than he does training, or fighting himself.

I don't think that either of them are washed up. However, both of them are not what they were nearly 10 years ago.

[Dorfmeister]

Shane is 1 year older than Hoya and started professionally later to win his lightweight title only in 1997, 3 years after Oscar won the WBO Super-Feather Title and was competing with JCC at light welter when Shane beat Phillip Holyday... I have had amateur and a lil bit of pro experience and what transpires to me is that a fighter is physically as well as mentally mature and thus at a personal peak when he reaches the 30 years old of age mark ( Mayweather, Wlad Klitschko, Pacquiao) but there are guys who have so much discipline, physical health and mental focus that they can reach 35, 36 and still be at a very high level ( not on a steep descending curve) such as is the case of Shane, MAB and Winky... Hoya is more weary due to inactivity and lack of a training discipline due to his promotional tasks, I don't think Oscar can get up to a big fight again but he is all of merits for the excellent shape he got himself into for May the 5th... Shane just like Bernard, has all the conditions to take the younger man and make people wonder who actually looks older inside the ring.

[Illmatic]

Oscar is inactive, Mosley is not

[maciek4]

I dont think anybody actually thought Oscar was washed up, simply not in his prime anymore, same with Mosley.