Holyfield in Russia - How will he cope?

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Evander hasn't had a fight outside of the U.S. since '87. He's never had a heavyweight fight or a title fight outside the U.S. either. Did he avoid fighting overseas during his career, and if so what was the reason for it (or was it just money)?

[MacManJr.]

He shouldn't have a problem with the language barrier because he doesn't speak English anymore either.

[TBooze]

Evander hasn't had a fight outside of the U.S. since '87. He's never had a heavyweight fight or a title fight outside the U.S. either. Did he avoid fighting overseas during his career, and if so what was the reason for it (or was it just money)?

He will be alright, all he has to do is go to Siberia and train in isolation to this:

Two worlds collide, rival nations
It's a primitive clash, venting years of frustration
Bravely we hope against all hope, there is so much at stake
Seems our freedom's up against the ropes
Does the crowd understand?
Is it a East vs. West, or man against man
Can any nation stand alone?

In the burning heart, just about to burst
There's a quest for answers, an unquenchable thirst
In the darkest night, rising like a spire
In the burning heart, the unmistakable fire, in the burning heart

It worked for the last American Heavyweight champ who went there;)

[box03]

He shouldn't have a problem with the language barrier because he doesn't speak English anymore either. Thats funny and very true Hes been a champ for most of his career theres no reason for him to go anywhere plus the money is in states for holyfield where he is loved by most boxing fans

[Marnoff]

He will be alright, alway he has to do is go to Siberia and train in isolation to this:

Two worlds collide, rival nations
It's a primitive clash, venting years of frustration
Bravely we hope against all hope, there is so much at stake
Seems our freedom's up against the ropes
Does the crowd understand?
Is it a East vs. West, or man against man
Can any nation stand alone?

In the burning heart, just about to burst
There's a quest for answers, an unquenchable thirst
In the darkest night, rising like a spire
In the burning heart, the unmistakable fire, in the burning heart

It worked for the last American Heavyweight champ who went there;)

You got it.

[brooklyn1550]

Evander will be ready and fighting in Russia wont be a factor

[Rumsfeld]

Evander hasn't had a fight outside of the U.S. since '87. He's never had a heavyweight fight or a title fight outside the U.S. either. Did he avoid fighting overseas during his career, and if so what was the reason for it (or was it just money)?

He'll be fine.

He was supposed to fight Ruiz in China, although, I believe that bout was postponed (their first?).

It was reported that Holyfield, Ruiz, and King utterly amazed an on-looking crowd of Chinese natives as they ate massive quantities of Chinese cuisine, the likes of which the Chinamen had never before seen!

[Jennifer Love Hewitt]

He will be alright, all he has to do is go to Siberia and train in isolation to this:

Two worlds collide, rival nations
It's a primitive clash, venting years of frustration
Bravely we hope against all hope, there is so much at stake
Seems our freedom's up against the ropes
Does the crowd understand?
Is it a East vs. West, or man against man
Can any nation stand alone?

In the burning heart, just about to burst
There's a quest for answers, an unquenchable thirst
In the darkest night, rising like a spire
In the burning heart, the unmistakable fire, in the burning heart

It worked for the last American Heavyweight champ who went there;)

That fight should have been stopped after the second round. Sure Balboa scored the KO in the 15th, but the pummeling he took gave him brain damage! The ref really dropped the ball on that one.

side note* are roids really rampant in the former ussr like in the movie? if so, Field's odds of winning are rising tremendously.

[hopkinsfan07]

holyfield wont be fased by russia

[buddynabuick]

He shouldn't have a problem with the language barrier because he doesn't speak English anymore either.



:lol:I know thats right! I know holy is used to the spotlite but i think this may "get in his head" more than he realizes which could cause him to tire:tired

[dave82]

He will be alright, all he has to do is go to Siberia and train in isolation to this:

Two worlds collide, rival nations
It's a primitive clash, venting years of frustration
Bravely we hope against all hope, there is so much at stake
Seems our freedom's up against the ropes
Does the crowd understand?
Is it a East vs. West, or man against man
Can any nation stand alone?

In the burning heart, just about to burst
There's a quest for answers, an unquenchable thirst
In the darkest night, rising like a spire
In the burning heart, the unmistakable fire, in the burning heart

It worked for the last American Heavyweight champ who went there;)

No no..thats the song he needs when he gets off the plane.

When he trains he requires this:

Silent darkness creeps into your soul
and removes the light of self-control
the cave that holds you captive has no doors
burnin' with determination
to even up the score

hearts on fire
strong desire
rages deep within
hearts on fire
fever's rising high
the moment of truth draws near

:good :good

[papaspank]

I don't trust the Russians, he should be concerned. He might have to KO Iggy or dominate to get the win. If it's close and he deserves the nod, he wont get it the Russians are just as greedy as anyone, but are more willing to be dirty to get the results they want. Iggy won't cheat or his corner, but Russians with money at steak won't hesitate. Is it in their best interest to let an American come over there and take the title away from a Russian, most Russians don't care, but the ones with money invested in Iggy do!

Just look at the political situation over there, if you talk bad about Putin you either go to jail or are dead, lately it's been the later of the two.

Just my thoughts, nothing more, nothing less.

[Dempsey1238]

Holyfield did fight Ruiz in China though.

[papaspank]

Holyfield did fight Ruiz in China though.


The fight in China never happened!

[tragicliston]

Holyfield is an old pro; I doubt fighting in Russia will have any effect on him. What will have an effect on him, though, are his dimished skills, age, ring wars, and brain damage.

[Rumsfeld]

Holyfield is an old pro; I doubt fighting in Russia will have any effect on him. What will have an effect on him, though, are his dimished skills, age, ring wars, and brain damage.

Spot-on!

:good

[DamonD]

I'm with the Rocky IV theory.

He needs to grow a full beard, drag Burt Ward along on a sled through the snow, and chop up some logs. Then run up a mountain and yell "IBRAGIMOVVVVVVVVVVV!"

[pipe wrenched]

He shouldn't have a problem with the language barrier because he doesn't speak English anymore either.

Got Damn!! :lol: :lol: Not bad MacMan!!:lol:
Go Holyfield!!

[pipe wrenched]

He will be alright, all he has to do is go to Siberia and train in isolation to this:

Two worlds collide, rival nations
It's a primitive clash, venting years of frustration
Bravely we hope against all hope, there is so much at stake
Seems our freedom's up against the ropes
Does the crowd understand?
Is it a East vs. West, or man against man
Can any nation stand alone?

In the burning heart, just about to burst
There's a quest for answers, an unquenchable thirst
In the darkest night, rising like a spire
In the burning heart, the unmistakable fire, in the burning heart

It worked for the last American Heavyweight champ who went there;)

:lol: Fucking Brilliant!! Hard to look at the thread title without thinking Rocky 4.

[pipe wrenched]

Dave82 and DamonD Priceless. Good stuff fellas. I hope it's like FlabbyGut said and everyone treats him like a king (which sounds reasonable with the way he put it). And if that is so it may work opposite of what Papaspank was saying. If the crowd loves Holy over there, I don't think he would get intentionally screwed. Now it's up to Holy to fight the fight of his life.:bbb Go Holyfield!!

[pipe wrenched]

He will be alright, all he has to do is go to Siberia and train in isolation to this:

Two worlds collide, rival nations
It's a primitive clash, venting years of frustration
Bravely we hope against all hope, there is so much at stake
Seems our freedom's up against the ropes
Does the crowd understand?
Is it a East vs. West, or man against man
Can any nation stand alone?

In the burning heart, just about to burst
There's a quest for answers, an unquenchable thirst
In the darkest night, rising like a spire
In the burning heart, the unmistakable fire, in the burning heart

It worked for the last American Heavyweight champ who went there;)

Damn!!! Now I can't get that corny old song out of my head!!:lol:

[He Hate Me]

By watching rocky 4 until he gets it.:lloll

[Sakura]

He shouldn't have a problem with the language barrier because he doesn't speak English anymore either.

:rofl :rofl :patsch :deal

[Dorfmeister]

Holyfield fought twice in France as a cruiser, including against Ossie Ocasio for the IBF/WBA versions I believe. I don't believe Evander avoided fighting in Europe but if there was a reason for it, yes, it would be finantial... Remember only challenger Frank Bruno brought Tim Witherspoon to the Wembley Stadium and he had to travel to Carson City and Vegas to fight Tyson in 89. Lewis ( and Hide) were the ones to bring hwt championship boxing back to the UK as titlists, and then Shultz and the Klitschkos to Germany... This is the third time prime time hwt boxing happens in Moskow ( after Maskaev-Okhello and Povetkin-Donald) and it's pretty obvious this is as natural as fighting in London, Paris, LV or NYC, nothing like Rocky Balboa travelling to face Ivan Drago in the movies or even Tyson dragging himself to Tokyo to collapse against Douglas... Holyfield is in no position to argue but this doesn't favour him, Briggs was more fortunate/intelligent to bring it back to AC, NJ for his asthma-pneumonia-health conditions and it still didn't help him so it goes down to Sultan and Evander inside the ropes and regardless of anything else.

[T.S.]

To americans Ibraginov is considered to be a russian. In russia not necessarily so because he from Dagestan. Believe it or not - a lot of people in Moscow could concievably be rooting for Holyfield to win. The average person in russia who is not a fight fan knows three names - Ali, Tyson, Holyfield. In 2001, I was in Volograd (formerly Stalingrad) and I asked my ex-girlfriend's father Vladimir what he thought of the Klitschkos. He barely knew who they were. He said to me - "I like Holyfield. I like Mike Tyson," and gave the thumbs up sign. Of course now Povetkin and Valuev would be known too. These big russian guys in a fitness club in Volograd did not remember Igor Vitshotsky either. They were probably the same age as he was too. Holyfield will be treatly like royalty in Moscow (as he should be). He will be mobbed by fans and people will be curious to see him, touch him. He's a legend.

Ghost to the Post!
You are in with the RAIDER NATION! OH YEAH! :deal :good
Ok back to the thread...:lol:
I'm sure you're right the Russians will treat him like royalty :thumbsup

[JC2006]

I'm with the Rocky IV theory.

He needs to grow a full beard, drag Burt Ward along on a sled through the snow, and chop up some logs. Then run up a mountain and yell "IBRAGIMOVVVVVVVVVVV!"

You must be thinking of Burt Young. Burt Ward is fucking Robin. :D

[Jennifer Love Hewitt]

You must be thinking of Burt Young. Burt Ward is fucking Robin. :D

HOLY--field Batman!

[link2296]

I'm sorry guys...Oldy has no realistic chance to win this fight. I love the fighter in Holyfield...but he will get KTFO'd guaranteed within 3 rounds!!

The Sultan of Sting is very underated and Oldy is very overated at this time!!

[Sonny's jab]

I don't trust the Russians, he should be concerned. He might have to KO Iggy or dominate to get the win. If it's close and he deserves the nod, he wont get it the Russians are just as greedy as anyone, but are more willing to be dirty to get the results they want. Iggy won't cheat or his corner, but Russians with money at steak won't hesitate. Is it in their best interest to let an American come over there and take the title away from a Russian, most Russians don't care, but the ones with money invested in Iggy do!

Just look at the political situation over there, if you talk bad about Putin you either go to jail or are dead, lately it's been the later of the two.

Just my thoughts, nothing more, nothing less.

I doubt Evander Holyfield has much to say about Mr.Putin

[JC2006]

I'm sorry guys...Oldy has no realistic chance to win this fight. I love the fighter in Holyfield...but he will get KTFO'd guaranteed within 3 rounds!!

The Sultan of Sting is very underated and Oldy is very overated at this time!!

Holyfield will not be knocked out in three rounds.

[pipe wrenched]

If it was Alexander Povetkin it would be different as the Moscow crowd would be behind one of their own. Ibraginov is from Dagestan and for that reason alone many russians might be cheering for Holyfield to win.

I really like the sound of everything you've said brother. I hope you are right. Go Holyfield, one more time.:bbb

[pipe wrenched]

I doubt Evander Holyfield has much to say about Mr.Putin

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[stuistylee]

yeh come on holy...id rather he retired but if hes gnna fight im on his side...go holy

[T.S.]

Paul Zimmerman (Dr.Z) from Sports Illustrated rates Dave Casper as the greatest blocking tightend of alltime. He also says that Casper was the best he's ever seen at catching the football in a crowd. John Madden claimed that linebackers and safeties could have been arrested for felonious assault if they did on the street what they got away with doing to Casper on the football field. Go Raiders!!! Okay, I better get back to boxing. It would be cool to see Holyfield win. I like Ibraginov who seems like a good guy but Holyfield winning here would be a bigger miracle than when George Foreman kayoed Michael Moorer after losing just about every round. It would be like a real life Rocky III.

I'm posting 5 miles from the Oakland Coliseum. I saw Casper play in person many times. He was a great receiver. The Ghost to the Post play involved a difficult move twisting your body from left to right and making the catch over your right shoulder. Maybe 4 or 5 tight ends in the history of the NFL were able to do this.
Back to boxing..It seems no one is giving Holy a chance but me and you.
If fans are worried about biased judging in Russia it depends on who the judges are. They probably won't all be Russian there may be judges of other nationalities involved.
I'm rooting for Holy on this one!
Go Holyfield!

[sues2nd]

He will be alright, all he has to do is go to Siberia and train in isolation to this:

Two worlds collide, rival nations
It's a primitive clash, venting years of frustration
Bravely we hope against all hope, there is so much at stake
Seems our freedom's up against the ropes
Does the crowd understand?
Is it a East vs. West, or man against man
Can any nation stand alone?

In the burning heart, just about to burst
There's a quest for answers, an unquenchable thirst
In the darkest night, rising like a spire
In the burning heart, the unmistakable fire, in the burning heart

It worked for the last American Heavyweight champ who went there;)

:rofl :rofl :rofl

Great post....

IF I CAN CHANGE....YOU CAN CHANGE!!!!

:lol:

[The Whaler]

He will be alright, all he has to do is go to Siberia and train in isolation to this:

Two worlds collide, rival nations
It's a primitive clash, venting years of frustration
Bravely we hope against all hope, there is so much at stake
Seems our freedom's up against the ropes
Does the crowd understand?
Is it a East vs. West, or man against man
Can any nation stand alone?

In the burning heart, just about to burst
There's a quest for answers, an unquenchable thirst
In the darkest night, rising like a spire
In the burning heart, the unmistakable fire, in the burning heart

It worked for the last American Heavyweight champ who went there;)

:lol:

bXXGvIsLusE

:deal

[madpup]

Just look at the political situation over there, if you talk bad about Putin you either go to jail or are dead, lately it's been the later of the two.

Just my thoughts, nothing more, nothing less.

You have no idea, stick to talking about boxing.

[madpup]

If it was Alexander Povetkin it would be different as the Moscow crowd would be behind one of their own. Ibraginov is from Dagestan and for that reason alone many russians might be cheering for Holyfield to win.

If you go to any russian boxing forums, you will realise otherwise.

[madpup]

I expect a speach for world peace if he wins

[pipe wrenched]

Sorry no offense. Obviously I am wrong here and I apologize to you.

NO..No...no... Flabby Gut. I was feeling pretty good about it after reading your posts. Go Holyfield!!

[papaspank]

You have no idea, stick to talking about boxing.

I know reading and understanding what your reading can be difficult for some.

The point is, the people with power and money here in the US and Russia pretty much run things, except for the fact in the US the powerful fear the media/respect it (mostly). In Russia they don't fear the media or respect it. Putin was just an example of that. For example, since he's been in power of over a dozen media and political critics of his have been murdered or died for unknown reasons. If you are up to speed on current world events than you know what I'm talking about. Can you imagine in the US if a dozen of Bush's political enemies were murdered or died from unknown reasons, do you know what kind of shit would hit the fan. Listen people like Putin and other powerful and wealthy Russians don't think twice about stepping on the little guy.

It's just away of life over there. The little guy will love Holyfield, the ones with money and an interest for Iggy to win, not so much.