"Duran vs. Kirkland Laing" from '82...

[MRBILL]

Folks,

I just finished up with "Duran-Laing" from '82..... Duran was 155 pounds, while Laing was a slim 149 pounds......... Duran did NOT look grossly outta shape, but he was sluggish after round 3...... I suppose Laing deserved the win over 10 rds......... Duran was more so surprised in Laing's spryness and ability, rather than his power....
:patsch:|:twisted::shock:
Just two months later, on the "Walk-Out" card of "Pryor-Arguello 1" down in Florida, Roberto Duran won a decision over Jimmy Batten, to set-up a 1983 bout with Pipino Cuevas in Los Angeles....... This was the true beginning of the 'Duran' comeback................ Peace......
:deal:bbb:rasta:admin:tong:yep:D

SR.BILLARDO:hat

[My2Sense]

Duran was 155 pounds, while Laing was a slim 149 pounds.........

Interesting point.

Contrary to what you'd expect, Duran was actually the bigger guy in that fight.

[Bill Butcher]

I was disappointed Duran lost to Benitez, that would have been a real good fight pre `no mas.`

I know this is a Duran/Laing thread but no doubt Duran is better than Laing & he lost to another elite in Benitez around the same time, it just reminded me of that Benitez fight.

[Caponecartels]

I was disappointed Duran lost to Benitez, that would have been a real good fight pre `no mas.`

I know this is a Duran/Laing thread but no doubt Duran is better than Laing & he lost to another elite in Benitez around the same time, it just reminded me of that Benitez fight.

never seen the Duran V. Benitez fight. got a link?

[smitty_son408]

never seen the Duran V. Benitez fight. got a link?

the fight in it's entirety doesn't exist, though their is a video with highlights and the verdict:

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

[Shake]

It does exist. I have it.

[Caponecartels]

It does exist. I have it.

Could you post it then?

[Addie]

Folks,

I just finished up with "Duran-Laing" from '82..... Duran was 155 pounds, while Laing was a slim 149 pounds......... Duran did NOT look grossly outta shape, but he was sluggish after round 3...... I suppose Laing deserved the win over 10 rds......... Duran was more so surprised in Laing's spryness and ability, rather than his power....
:patsch:|:twisted::shock:
Just two months later, on the "Walk-Out" card of "Pryor-Arguello 1" down in Florida, Roberto Duran won a decision over Jimmy Batten, to set-up a 1983 bout with Pipino Cuevas in Los Angeles....... This was the true beginning of the 'Duran' comeback................ Peace......
:deal:bbb:rasta:admin:tong:yep:D

SR.BILLARDO:hat

Every time Duran lost, their seems to be some kind of excuse.

[CottoDaBodykill]

seems that way selfkill

[Shake]

I have it in a file on my computer. I have never uploaded to Youtube. If someone could help me, I will gladly provide it unless it involves chopping up a long match into 8 pieces.

[Caponecartels]

I have it in a file on my computer. I have never uploaded to Youtube. If someone could help me, I will gladly provide it unless it involves chopping up a long match into 8 pieces.

can anyone help this guy to do it?

[Robbi]

Never seen Duran-Laing.

[MRBILL]

Interesting point.

Contrary to what you'd expect, Duran was actually the bigger guy in that fight.

In terms of weight, yes, but in the physical attribute department, Duran was naturally smaller than Laing......... Laing appeared to be bigger than Duran in the ring...... Duran just had some added steaks and beers in his girth and thigh zone.......... Laing was in-shape........

MR.BILL:deal:bbb:thumbsup

[MRBILL]

I was disappointed Duran lost to Benitez, that would have been a real good fight pre `no mas.`

I know this is a Duran/Laing thread but no doubt Duran is better than Laing & he lost to another elite in Benitez around the same time, it just reminded me of that Benitez fight.

Well, Duran had a bad 1982..... he lost to "Benitez & Laing," but he beat James Batten in a slobbish encounter to close out the year.........
:bbb:admin:shock:

MR.BILL

[MRBILL]

never seen the Duran V. Benitez fight. got a link?

I get SO PISSED when I review the facts / hoopla surrounding that '82 fight on HBO........... Duran had to lose 38 pounds in order to make weight against Wilfred Benitez.... Duran was strong and game for 5 or 6 rds, but then he tired and fell behind on the scores... Wilfred Benitez was bigger and more solid at 154 in 1982 than Duran was........ Ironically, that was Benitez' last great fight......... Poor Benitez went straight to hell after beating Duran on a decision over 15 rds on HBO.............
:deal
Contrary to many reports, Duran was NOT embarrassed by Benitez in 1982.... It was a good fight that was tactical...... Benitez won by a few points / rds, but Duran was game....... Cheers.....:bbb

MR.BILL:yep

[MRBILL]

It does exist. I have it.

I got a decent copy of it...... My bud recorded it off HBO back in 1982...... Barry Tompkins, Larry Merchant & Ray Leonard called the fight for HBO....
:rasta:hi:

MR.BILL

[MRBILL]

Never seen Duran-Laing.

It is scary when I think back, but ESPN has been on the air since 1979 for Christ Sake......... "Duran-Laing" was shown by ESPN in Sept. of '82.... Al Bernstein called the action.........

My folks and I first scored cable TV in late 1982........ I've been recording fights off HBO & Showtime eversince Michael Dokes stopped Mike Weaver on HBO in ONE round in Dec. of 1982...... The asshole ref was Joey Curtis...... Bedlam..........
:twisted::patsch:shock:

MR.BILL:bbb

[Caponecartels]

I got a decent copy of it...... My bud recorded it off HBO back in 1982...... Barry Tompkins, Larry Merchant & Ray Leonard called the fight for HBO....
:rasta:hi:

MR.BILL

Could you somehow upload it to youtube?

[MRBILL]

Could you somehow upload it to youtube?


I haven't the slightest how to do that..... My bud had a copy from VHS which he burned to disc for me a few yrs ago..... That's all I got.......

Again, I saw the fight on HBO back in 1982 when I was in High School....

Michael Dokes KO'd some dude named Lynn Ball in ONE round on the undercard........
:bbb

SR.BILL:good

[teeto]

It does exist. I have it.
Yea i got it as well, on a dvd in a career set

[Caponecartels]

Yea i got it as well, on a dvd in a career set

Please tell me you can upload it to youtube

[teeto]

Please tell me you can upload it to youtube
Really i haven't got a clue sorry. I don't think it would be too hard to get a hold of though, i actually borrowed it off a friend and i've just had it for ages.

Sorry mate

[My dinner with Conteh]

can anyone help this guy to do it?


Are you a Duran fan? If so, you're best avoiding the Benitez fight...and Laing. They both make a show of him.

[Robbi]

Are you a Duran fan? If so, you're best avoiding the Benitez fight.

That avatar :lol: TEETO!

[teeto]

That avatar :lol: TEETO!
Haha, let's not have this again!

[Caponecartels]

Are you a Duran fan? If so, you're best avoiding the Benitez fight...and Laing. They both make a show of him.


I've just heard alot about that fight, so
I just wanted to finally see it.

[MRBILL]

Are you a Duran fan? If so, you're best avoiding the Benitez fight.

They don't make fighters / fights like they used to for me.......... During my heyday in the early to middle 1980s, I used to get all worked-up over some of the big fights that were made back then.... WHY? Because all my favorite fighters were still active and kickin' ass............. Dudes like: "Holmes, Leonard, Duran, Spinks, Hagler, Pryor, Arguello, Camacho, Chacon, Sanchez, Curry, Foreman, McCallum, Hearns, Mancini & Haugen" were my guys I liked seeing fight.....:yep

Today, we do have some good guys out there, but they don't motivate me like my original home boys did......... Modern dudes like: "DLH, Toney, K Bros., Pacquiao, Hops, Marquez, Barrera, Morales, Kelley, Dawson, Pavlik, Froch & Tarver" are kool, but it ain't the same as 25 yrs ago........... NOPE! Not even close......
:-(

MR.BILL:rasta:admin

[GPater11093]

MR BILL i bet you i will say the same in 20 years as well

i liked guys like Mayweather, De la Hoya, Pacquaio, Marquez, Calderon, Hopkins, Barrera, Morales, Dawson, Kessler

and dont like the new guys

[My dinner with Conteh]

Yeah, Duran was still capable of greatness in the 1980s, but 82 was a year he'd want to forget.

[My dinner with Conteh]

MR BILL i bet you i will say the same in 20 years as well

i liked guys like Mayweather, De la Hoya, Pacquaio, Marquez, Calderon, Hopkins, Barrera, Morales, Dawson, Kessler

and dont like the new guys


I doubt it. An era where ever Tom, Dick and Pudwill gets a title shot will never be looked back on overly fondly. Packed stadiums with a crackling atmosphere watching British title fights when they meant something will always be more memorable than your average Interim WBO light-middleweight fight.

[MRBILL]

MR BILL i bet you i will say the same in 20 years as well

i liked guys like Mayweather, De la Hoya, Pacquaio, Marquez, Calderon, Hopkins, Barrera, Morales, Dawson, Kessler

and dont like the new guys

I despise Mayweather, Jr..... I liked Uncle Roger instead......:D

NO! Myself, like many before me, have gone into a sorta' slump and depression after my main guys all retired / vanished from the scene....
:patsch
I'm also preparing for the new "Voices" of boxing as well......... It is already in the works.... The networks are slowly but surely shit-canning all the legendary old fart announcers....... Guys like" Clancy, Tim Ryan, Alex Wallau, Ferdie Pacheco & Steve Albert" have already stepped down.... Larry Merchant is on his way out the door......... And Al Albert and Sean O'Grady have drifted off to Palookaville....... I am concerned about the boxing future........
:deal:admin:rasta

MR.BILL:bbb

[MRBILL]

I doubt it. An era where ever Tom, Dick and Pudwill gets a title shot will never be looked back on overly fondly. Packed stadiums with a crackling atmosphere watching British title fights when they meant something will always be more memorable than your average Interim WBO light-middleweight fight.

EXACTLY!!! I dealt with the WBC and WBA..... I even dealt with the addition of the IBF in '84........

But this shit like the WAA, IBC, IBO WBU, WBF, WBO, is just too much.....

I also am no longer thrilled about 12 rds. being the limit..... I support the comeback of 15 rounders in MAJOR title fights........

Boxing is NOT a dying sport..... It'll never die....... People love action / violence........ Boxing will survive........... However, it has dipped the last 10 yrs or so......... I clearly see it..........

:shock::twisted::patsch:|:admin

SR.BILL

[MRBILL]

I just broke-out my disc copy of "Duran-Benitez" from '82..... No, it is not an action-packed bout; its tactical......... Lotsa' posing and feinting went on during the 15 rds.... The heated action was NEVER sustained for any length of time.......

This was Benitez' LAST real great performance....... Duran looked good for the photographers at 152 pounds, but his zip and spryness was non-existant in this fight..... Again, after 6 rds., Duran was sapped but still game..... Peace.....
:deal:bbb:admin

MR.BILL:shock:

Note:

Duran at 152 pounds in 1982 for Benitez looked a lot better than he did at 156 for Nino Gonzalez in the summer of '81......... Duran was bloated / fleshy for Gonzalez....

BUT! I thought Duran looked in good shape for Luigi Minchillo on TV in Sept. of '81 out in Vegas........

Reports from Panama claim that Duran ballooned up to 180 pounds after Duran beat Minchillo...... Duran had to lose weight to fight Benitez..... The hell was Team Duran thinking there???

[GPater11093]

MR BILL

i diagree with you i think boxing is as good as it has ever been maybe theres not as much fighters and fan but the ifhgters are as good as ever and fights are as good as ever.

I despise the alphabet soup as well and i dont really care about titles now i just know whos the best and care about fights and fighters.

as for Mayweather Jr he is one of my favourites i love the guy his style is great and technically he is the best of his time by a long way.

The 12 round limit is bad i like 15 round fights aswell but it is for safety reasons and a boxers health is most important but i would like to see 15 rounders again.

The announcers i agree with the old guys are going but im sure we will get new ones who are as good.

[MRBILL]

MR BILL

i diagree with you i think boxing is as good as it has ever been maybe theres not as much fighters and fan but the ifhgters are as good as ever and fights are as good as ever.

I despise the alphabet soup as well and i dont really care about titles now i just know whos the best and care about fights and fighters.

as for Mayweather Jr he is one of my favourites i love the guy his style is great and technically he is the best of his time by a long way.

The 12 round limit is bad i like 15 round fights aswell but it is for safety reasons and a boxers health is most important but i would like to see 15 rounders again.

The announcers i agree with the old guys are going but im sure we will get new ones who are as good.

I disagree back......... Boxing is currently being raped harder and deeper than ever before............ Too much horseshit is going to Cable / PPV these days.............. Boxing has ALWAYS been more so a BIDNESS rather than a SPORT! I know that............ But these promoters' today are merly spitting at us in the face and laughing their tails off to the bank........... Myself, I finally put my foot down in 2007 and decided to be much more selective of my PPV's.....

MR.BILL:deal:thumbsup:rasta:yikes

[GPater11093]

i agree about that

greedy cunts

[MRBILL]

i agree about that

greedy cunts

I am age 42......... I was a High Schooler in the early 80s.... Back in dem days, boxing was on CBS, NBC & ABC every goddamn week.... World class events...... Then by the late 80s, Cable began to take control, but boxing was still available on regular net TV..... Come the 1990s, Network TV was getting screwed and it was becoming all Cable / PPV..... Here in the 21st. century, it is all Cable................ trust me, the quality of fights have slipped / dipped over the last decade.............. BUT! The prices have gone up..........
:deal:bbb:admin:shock::twisted::patsch:yikes:fire

MR.BILL

[GPater11093]

well all i have known is PPV

[MRBILL]

well all i have known is PPV

Back in 1982, a "Hatton-Pacquiao" title fight at 140 pounds would've been fought on ABC Wide World Of Sports with Howard Cosell & Chris Schenkel calling the action......... That is NO SHIT!
:good:deal:bbb:D

SR.BILLARDO:hey

[GPater11093]

would have been good to be free

i watch alot of the old fights on DVD and tape and there Tuesday night fights wednesday night fights then your weekend fights it must have been good

[MRBILL]

would have been good to be free

i watch alot of the old fights on DVD and tape and there Tuesday night fights wednesday night fights then your weekend fights it must have been good

Them days are over.............. EXCEPT! For this current ESPN Friday Night Horseshit that airs on a semi-weekly basis.............. ESPN sucks cock....... Just a typical buncha' bums and stiffs fighting for chump change............... ESPN sucks cock...........
:bbb:rasta:admin:yep:yikes:deal

MR.BILL

[GPater11093]

better than nothing Bill

[MRBILL]

better than nothing Bill

I'll accept nothing....... I am happily MISSING tonight's card on ESPN..... I did watch last weeks card with "Kingshit" Johnson in the main event.... That was rare........ OH! The fight with Devin Vargas sucked cock, too...... Still?

MR.BILL:bbb

[GPater11093]

afew years ago all we had was normal TV at our house so any boxing was good. I just love boxing so i wathc any fight anyway though

[MRBILL]

The hell do you live----Out in the woods???????? Are your folks Jews and too tight to pay for Cable?????

I worked with this insane religious fanatic who believes cable TV is evil, so he will not subscribe........ The fool.......... He still plays with rabbit ears on top of the set....... Myself, I just laugh at him............... He's so full of shit his eyes are brown...........

MR.BILL

[RafaelGonzal]

the fight in it's entirety doesn't exist, though their is a video with highlights and the verdict:

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

I was watching it the other day my brother has it you can order it from boxing junkies.com. Benitez vs Duran it does exist.

[GPater11093]

The hell do you live----Out in the woods???????? Are your folks Jews and too tight to pay for Cable?????

I worked with this insane religious fanatic who believes cable TV is evil, so he will not subscribe........ The fool.......... He still plays with rabbit ears on top of the set....... Myself, I just laugh at him............... He's so full of shit his eyes are brown...........

MR.BILL

:rofl:rofl

live in Scotland. My mam didnt want to pay for Sky TV said all we would do is sit watching it but my Dad eventually sneaked it in for us. and no my Mam isnt a religous fanatic

[JohnThomas1]

:deal
Contrary to many reports, Duran was NOT embarrassed by Benitez in 1982.... It was a good fight that was tactical...... Benitez won by a few points / rds, but Duran was game....... Cheers.....:bbb

MR.BILL:yep

WTF, Benitez caned him

:blood

[MRBILL]

WTF, Benitez caned him

:blood

I just reviewed the fight......... Benitez won; no doubt there... However, again, Duran was in-shape at 152, but slower and sluggish against Benitez.... Benitez got the nod by a few rds....:yep

It was Benitez' last real great showing in the ring..... Next up, Benitez would lose his crown to Tommy Hearns..... It was all down hill for Benitez from that point onward......:|

Who the hell would've guessed back in '82 that Duran would fight his final pro fight in 2001???
:huh

SR.BILLARDO:deal:thumbsup:yikes

[JohnThomas1]

I just reviewed the fight......... Benitez won; no doubt there... However, again, Duran was in-shape at 152, but slower and sluggish against Benitez.... Benitez got the nod by a few rds....:yep

It was Benitez' last real great showing in the ring..... Next up, Benitez would lose his crown to Tommy Hearns..... It was all down hill for Benitez from that point onward......:|

Who the hell would've guessed back in '82 that Duran would fight his final pro fight in 2001???
:huh

SR.BILLARDO:deal:thumbsup:yikes

A common score was 13-2 :yep

[MRBILL]

A common score was 13-2 :yep

One crooked judge had it 144 to 142 for Benitez...... That's a close shave........:shock:

Many rds were fairly close with Benitez getting the better of it with cleaner punching.... Again, Duran was sluggish, but never in any real serious danger of being stopped.......:bbb

All in all, the fight really wasn't all that great..... Several rds were slow and boring..... Lotsa' posing and feinting.....
:patsch

MR.BILL:deal

[MRBILL]

I just found my '88 tape of "Chavez vs. Jose L. Ramirez"...... I'm gonna pop that in..... This goes back almost 21 yrs now...... It seems like yesterday.....:D

SR.BILL

[MRBILL]

I said a little while ago that I have had ESPN since 1982. And over the last 28 yrs, I have ONLY taped perhaps 20 telecasts from that network.. That is less than "1" fight per year... That is weak, folks...

MR.BILL

[joebeadg]

Laing was really on that night. A real good fighter, a street bum now I think. A real talant though

[MRBILL]

Laing was really on that night. A real good fighter, a street bum now I think. A real talant though

He was good in 1982 / '83.... He wasted lotsa' time and talent afterward.... However, he was champ of Britain at 147---for a while there...
:hey

MR.BILL

[itrymariti]

Not really; it was a pretty lopsided dismantling with Duran doing little more than salvaging the odd consolation round. Duran actually trained on a prison island for this fight and was completely isolated to ensure he didn't fuck up his training rituals. He was under the limit well before fight night.

(Benitez fight I'm talking about here)

[MRBILL]

Not really; it was a pretty lopsided dismantling with Duran doing little more than salvaging the odd consolation round. Duran actually trained on a prison island for this fight and was completely isolated to ensure he didn't fuck up his training rituals. He was under the limit well before fight night.

Duran was 155 and looking pretty okay in 1982 at age 31.... He was heavy up that high, but not slobbish...... I think team Duran under-estimated Kirk Laing...... Duran never knew that Laing had above average speed and good legs in 1982....... PLUS! After Laing shook off the nerves, he implemented "Leonard's" style and boxed Duran to a close, but sure decision on ESPN......

MR.BILL:deal

[itrymariti]

I was talking about the Benitez fight, shoulda made that clear.

[MRBILL]

I was talking about the Benitez fight, shoulda made that clear.

That fight with Benitez has always bothered me... Duran was a good looking 154 for Luigi Minchillo in Sept. 1981 in Vegas.. BUT! Word has it by Nov., Duran was a bloated 180+ pounds and in need of serious training to make weight for Benitez of Jan. 1982...... Duran did make weight for Benitez, he weighed 152 pounds on the scale........ But Duran fought Benitez dreadful and non-energetic after the 6th round onward..... That's a sign he was weight drained.... Even Raymond Leonard at ringside for HBO said Duran appeared sluggish at the midway point or so of the 15 rounder.... Duran was really off key in there with Benitez....... Even with Ray Arcel in the corner, Duran had no charge after round 6....... Why?

MR.BILL:huh:scaredas::shock:

[MRBILL]

Duran also did a sleep-walk with Leonard in Vegas in 1989 when Duran was 158 pounds...... Duran looked fit at the weight, but boxed Ray as if they were there to spar........ Ray hardly did shit himself....... That fight / PPV sucked weenie....... I hate them nights...... I do........

MR.BILL

[itrymariti]

That fight with Benitez has always bothered me... Duran was a good looking 154 for Luigi Minchillo in Sept. 1981 in Vegas.. BUT! Word has it by Nov., Duran was a bloated 180+ pounds and in need of serious training to make weight for Benitez of Jan. 1982...... Duran did make weight for Benitez, he weighed 152 pounds on the scale........ But Duran fought Benitez dreadful and non-energetic after the 6th round onward..... That's a sign he was weight drained.... Even Raymond Leonard at ringside for HBO said Duran appeared sluggish at the midway point or so of the 15 rounder.... Duran was really off key in there with Benitez....... Even with Ray Arcel in the corner, Duran had no charge after round 6....... Why?

MR.BILL:huh:scaredas::shock:

Past prime and flat.

[Arminius]

I am age 42......... I was a High Schooler in the early 80s.... Back in dem days, boxing was on CBS, NBC & ABC every goddamn week.... World class events...... Then by the late 80s, Cable began to take control, but boxing was still available on regular net TV..... Come the 1990s, Network TV was getting screwed and it was becoming all Cable / PPV..... Here in the 21st. century, it is all Cable................ trust me, the quality of fights have slipped / dipped over the last decade.............. BUT! The prices have gone up..........
:deal:bbb:admin:shock::twisted::patsch:yikes:fire

MR.BILL

I am the same age as you and I feel exactly the same. I remember all the guys you mentioned boxing on network TV. I remember the football strike in the 1980's when Boxing filled the void. Some of the high quality fights I can remember seeing on network TV included Chacon/ Limon, Leonard/Green, Leonard/ Mayweather. Frank the Animal Fletcher vs numerous people, Saad Muhammed, Arguello, Duran, Pryor. I cna still picture Julian Jackson flattening Terry Norris after Dan Dierdorf was prasing Norris's boxing ability.

I cringe when I flip on a network on the weekend and see golf or skateboarding on when I know it use to be boxing.

[Clinton]

Every time Duran lost, their seems to be some kind of excuse.
Even when he won,there was some kind of excuse.

[Clinton]

I am the same age as you and I feel exactly the same. I remember all the guys you mentioned boxing on network TV. I remember the football strike in the 1980's when Boxing filled the void. Some of the high quality fights I can remember seeing on network TV included Chacon/ Limon, Leonard/Green, Leonard/ Mayweather. Frank the Animal Fletcher vs numerous people, Saad Muhammed, Arguello, Duran, Pryor. I cna still picture Julian Jackson flattening Terry Norris after Dan Dierdorf was prasing Norris's boxing ability.

I cringe when I flip on a network on the weekend and see golf or skateboarding on when I know it use to be boxing.
WELL FUCKING PUT!!!!:good

[MRBILL]

I am the same age as you and I feel exactly the same. I remember all the guys you mentioned boxing on network TV. I remember the football strike in the 1980's when Boxing filled the void. Some of the high quality fights I can remember seeing on network TV included Chacon/ Limon, Leonard/Green, Leonard/ Mayweather. Frank the Animal Fletcher vs numerous people, Saad Muhammed, Arguello, Duran, Pryor. I cna still picture Julian Jackson flattening Terry Norris after Dan Dierdorf was prasing Norris's boxing ability.

I cringe when I flip on a network on the weekend and see golf or skateboarding on when I know it use to be boxing.

The Tour De France and other boring things to fill the void, etc...... It has gotten real bad......
:patsch

MR.BILL