nicky cook

[stephen]

was nicky cook world class or did he get lucky by winning a world title

[TFFP]

His problem is he didn't win a world title against a world class opponent. He won a world title by beating a European champion, and then they squared off for a vacant title because of their promotional connections.

That is always leaving you open to being exposed because eventually the mandatories are going to throw up a decent fighter.

[Dunky McCafferty]

was nicky cook world class or did he get lucky by winning a world title

Nicky got lucky. or as I would say, he was helped out by his own, so you cant even call it luck.
I have done this debate to death though, so I will just leave it at that.

[GazOC]

Dunky!! it was a fair win but as TFFP says it was a Euro level fight in reality.

[Mandanda]

Nicky was in the right place at the right time and against Martinez he was shown to be a transitional champion. He just doesn't have what it takes at world class level.

[TFFP]

I think Martinez looked a pretty mundane fighter himself so that tells you a lot about Nicky Cook's abilities at the world level, and certainly his chin. That guy was hardly punching like Manny Pac and Cook was over like a sack of potatoes.

It's no coincidence they are trying to get Kev Mitchell in on that action.

[Dunky McCafferty]

Dunky!! it was a fair win but as TFFP says it was a Euro level fight in reality.

Gaz, that fight will always leave a bitter taste in my mouth. IMO, all Nicky Cook did was run & survive. Arthur fought like an idiot though, he had Cook going time & time again, but decided to fanny around mugging for the cameras, & instead of finishing Cook, Arthur decided to dance around thinking he was going to get a decision in your neck of the woods:patsch

Arthur did enough to win IMO, but he made the mistake of taking his foot off the gas & leaving it to the judges like an idiot, & as the old saying goes 'a fool & their WBO world title are easily parted'
Thats why the fight still rankles to this day, cos IMO an L to Nicky Cook is pretty humiliating. & Arthur has that L on his record now, fair or not.

Im still thinking though that Arthur still has a big win left in him now that hes moved up, its too early to write him off completely. As for Cook, stick fork in him. Like Gomez he can retire on the Arthur win.

[Mandanda]

Cook always looks frail at World Level physically and mentally.

Steve Luevano was made to look like a sublime boxer with unstoppable power. Don't care about being weight drained that performance was a man out of depth at even international level.

[BigEars]

Gaz, that fight will always leave a bitter taste in my mouth. IMO, all Nicky Cook did was run & survive. Arthur fought like an idiot though, he had Cook going time & time again, but decided to fanny around mugging for the cameras, & instead of finishing Cook, Arthur decided to dance around thinking he was going to get a decision in your neck of the woods:patsch

Arthur did enough to win IMO, but he made the mistake of taking his foot off the gas & leaving it to the judges like an idiot, & as the old saying goes 'a fool & their WBO world title are easily parted'
Thats why the fight still rankles to this day, cos IMO an L to Nicky Cook is pretty humiliating. & Arthur has that L on his record now, fair or not.

Im still thinking though that Arthur still has a big win left in him now that hes moved up, its too early to write him off completely. As for Cook, stick fork in him. Like Gomez he can retire on the Arthur win.

Dunky I'm a big fan of Arthur and was strongly cheering him in the fight with Cook(and tearing my hair out with how he was fighting), but he clearly lost that fight imo. Sometime's I'm afraid Dunk Scottish bias can sway you a bit. Like Barry Morrison's losses to Mutu(especially) and Barnes were more than fair for me. Compared to genuine robberies against Scottish fighters such as John Simpson v Dazzo Williams or Jamie Coyle V Michael Lomax

Anyway the Cook fight combined with the Stephen Foster Jnr fight has me of the opinion that Arthur was either extremely drained at the weight(and we all know he was at least pretty tight at it) or else he is shot, because that was not the same man who beat Gulyakevich and Gogoladze, who are imo better fighters than Cook.

I really hope it is just a weight issue and Arthur is revigorated at Lightweight. With a weak European champion at the weight there is opportunities there for Arthur if he can regain his old form, and a fight with Murray would be a ******* aswell.

[Dunky McCafferty]

Dunky I'm a big fan of Arthur and was strongly cheering him in the fight with Cook(and tearing my hair out with how he was fighting), but he clearly lost that fight imo. Sometime's I'm afraid Dunk Scottish bias can sway you a bit. Like Barry Morrison's losses to Mutu(especially) and Barnes were more than fair for me. Compared to genuine robberies against Scottish fighters such as John Simpson v Dazzo Williams or Jamie Coyle V Michael Lomax

Anyway the Cook fight combined with the Stephen Foster Jnr fight has me of the opinion that Arthur was either extremely drained at the weight(and we all know he was at least pretty tight at it) or else he is shot, because that was not the same man who beat Gulyakevich and Gogoladze, who are imo better fighters than Cook.

I really hope it is just a weight issue and Arthur is revigorated at Lightweight. With a weak European champion at the weight there is opportunities there for Arthur if he can regain his old form, and a fight with Murray would be a ******* aswell.

look bigears, I know I can be biased here. Tell me a man who isnt here & I will call him a liar.
However, that night left a sour taste in my mouth. Biased commentary, biased officials, & a stupid Arthur playing right into their hands. Cook was seen as the more marketable fighter, & Cook got the helping hand from everyone involved. You tell me, can you remember anything Cook did in that fight that deserved walking away with a UD win? All he done was run. I cnt remember Cook landing a hurtful shot on Alex the whole fight. Is that enough to claim a win? Only in your hometown.

As for Alex fighting Murray? I would like that very much. Doubt Murray would have the bottle to fight him though, & lets face it, Arthur should be still aiming higher. Just cos he got robbed, doesnt mean he should lower his sights.

[BigEars]

look bigears, I know I can be biased here. Tell me a man who isnt here & I will call him a liar.
However, that night left a sour taste in my mouth. Biased commentary, biased officials, & a stupid Arthur playing right into their hands. Cook was seen as the more marketable fighter, & Cook got the helping hand from everyone involved. You tell me, can you remember anything Cook did in that fight that deserved walking away with a UD win? All he done was run. I cnt remember Cook landing a hurtful shot on Alex the whole fight. Is that enough to claim a win? Only in your hometown.

As for Alex fighting Murray? I would like that very much. Doubt Murray would have the bottle to fight him though, & lets face it, Arthur should be still aiming higher. Just cos he got robbed, doesnt mean he should lower his sights.

Cook consistently landed light punches, and did move away quite a lot. Which was a lot better than what Arthur was doing, either not throwing, or not landing. Arthur was so frustrating in that fight because he just wouldn't fucking do anything and gave away rounds stupidly. Cook didn't do much to get his UD, but Arthur put up no argument to make a case for it not going to Cook, he just refused to do anything.

Lightweight is a lot tougher than Super-Featherweight, I think it would be dangerous for Artur to jump in at the equivalent level he was fighting at, at Super-Featherweight. Murray is European level at Lightweight so a fight against him or Mezaache after this tune up fight would be a good idea, or fight Murray if Arthur can beat Mezaache. After that he can go and test the waters at World level.

Arthur going in against a World Class, or fringe World Class Lightweight before establishing himself again would be crazy considering the Cook loss.

[Dunky McCafferty]

Cook consistently landed light punches, and did move away quite a lot. Which was a lot better than what Arthur was doing, either not throwing, or not landing. Arthur was so frustrating in that fight because he just wouldn't fucking do anything and gave away rounds stupidly. Cook didn't do much to get his UD, but Arthur put up no argument to make a case for it not going to Cook, he just refused to do anything.

Lightweight is a lot tougher than Super-Featherweight, I think it would be dangerous for Artur to jump in at the equivalent level he was fighting at, at Super-Featherweight. Murray is European level at Lightweight so a fight against him or Mezaache after this tune up fight would be a good idea, or fight Murray if Arthur can beat Mezaache. After that he can go and test the waters at World level.

Arthur going in against a World Class, or fringe World Class Lightweight before establishing himself again would be crazy considering the Cook loss.

I would disagree that Murray is euro level, the guy is so easy to outbox its unreal. Murrays been the benefactor of a couple of very dodgy decisions, even the untested aberdonian McAllister was boxing the ears off Murray until he gassed out!
Alex Arthur will be better at lightweight, its a given. Murray is an accident waiting to happen, & being honest I hope Arthurs fists will be the cause of this 'accident'

[BigEars]

I would disagree that Murray is euro level, the guy is so easy to outbox its unreal. Murrays been the benefactor of a couple of very dodgy decisions, even the untested aberdonian McAllister was boxing the ears off Murray until he gassed out!
Alex Arthur will be better at lightweight, its a given. Murray is an accident waiting to happen, & being honest I hope Arthurs fists will be the cause of this 'accident'

The European Lightweight scene is quite poor and as such Murray has no problem being near the top of the pile of it. I do feel Murray is pretty one dimensional and can be outboxed, the Arthur that beat Gulyakevich and Gogoladze would win easily, the Arthur that fought Foster and Cook would get knocked out against Murray. It'd be an interesting fight.

However with Athur being a Frank ****** fighter I think it's more likely that Arthur is matched for the Commonwealth or WBU title, which would bring about an all Scottish clash with either Willie Limond or Lee McAllister(assuming both win their next fights). A Limond v Arthur rematch would actually be pretty interesting at the moment.

[Dunky McCafferty]

The European Lightweight scene is quite poor and as such Murray has no problem being near the top of the pile of it. I do feel Murray is pretty one dimensional and can be outboxed, the Arthur that beat Gulyakevich and Gogoladze would win easily, the Arthur that fought Foster and Cook would get knocked out against Murray. It'd be an interesting fight.

However with Athur being a Frank ****** fighter I think it's more likely that Arthur is matched for the Commonwealth or WBU title, which would bring about an all Scottish clash with either Willie Limond or Lee McAllister(assuming both win their next fights). A Limond v Arthur rematch would actually be pretty interesting at the moment.

Limond aint interested in tough fights anymore, he just wants to win that WBU belt & defend against nobodies, fleecing the fans & boosting his bank balance before he retires. As for Arthur, he wont mess around fighting the Lee Mcallisters of this world.
I see where you are coming from Bigears, but Arthur still has bigger fish to fry, & he wont go back to fighting at this level. he will take a warm up, & then hes going to go for glory again.

[TFFP]

Who are they expecting to put AA in with? He's just not a world class fighter, damn, not in this weight class. The best fighters would whoop him royally.

Arthur is a European class fighter, fringe world class on his best day. Not much different to a Jennings if you put him in with that class of fighter.

[billy nelson]

dunky you have got a serious problem mate,who the f**k are you to say limond doesn't want hard fights,willie would gladly box any of the above named boxers he simply needs to be given the chance,AA will need to rebuild himself at lightweight and hopefully not get thrown in as he was the first to admit his performance v cook wasn't good enough.

[robpalmer135]

the thing we normally complain about with frank ****** world champions is that they do not do things properly and win domestic titles.

Cook won the Commonwealth, British and European title. He got a deserved shot at feather but was weight drained. To be honest he did not deserve a world title fight against Arthur but fair play to him he won it.

[Govanmauler]

dunky you have got a serious problem mate,who the f**k are you to say limond doesn't want hard fights,willie would gladly box any of the above named boxers he simply needs to be given the chance,AA will need to rebuild himself at lightweight and hopefully not get thrown in as he was the first to admit his performance v cook wasn't good enough.

:good

Dunky knows what dunky knows eh

[billy nelson]

very little! rob you summed it up perfectly,cook got his chance and won,lets hope alex can bounce back?

[captain k]

both arthur and cook are good european level fighters neither are true world class if either were to go in with a real top tier fighter they would have ktfo brutally! i like cook but he annoyed me the way he was calling out harrison and talking shit about him, fair does he got treated shit in the end but a mentally and physically fit harrison would have mauled him inside 3/4 rounds as would guzman to aa

[billy nelson]

scott harrison would have beat cook and arthur easily imo.

[Guy]

Nicky beat Alex fair and square!!, he stuck to his gameplan and didn't let Arthur get into his stride at all.

I seem to remember Arthur was listless and seemed non-plussed by the whole thing.A weight issue maybe?

It made me chuckle when he blamed home fighter bias by the judges though....like he didn't realise his performance just wasn't up to scratch.

AA seems a top bloke btw.

How do you think Arthur would do against Martinez?

[theuppercut]

I think a 100% AA would beat Martinez if there were no weight issues but he'll never go back to super-feather so we need to see how he copes at lightweight. I still FW will get a world title shot for him against someone like Paulus Moses given the association between the two relevant promoters. The game ain't up for AA yet but he needs to get back to winning, winning well and fighting regularly as he can.