British fighter of the decade (2000-2009)

[ishy]

Only the fights that took place this decade count, nothing from the 90's.

Lennox Lewis

Notable wins:
Michael Grant TKO2
David Tua UD12
Hashim Rahman KO4
Mike Tyson KO8
Vitali Klitschko TKO6

Notable Loss/es
Hashim Rahman TKO5


Joe Calzaghe

Notable wins:
Omar Sheika TKO5
Richie Woodhall TKO10
Byron Mitchell TKO2
Jeff Lacy UD12
Sakio Bika UD12
Mikkel Kessler UD12
Bernard Hopkins SD12


Ricky Hatton

Notable wins:

Ben Tackie UD12
Kostya Tszyu RTD11
Carlos Maussa KO9
Luis Collazo UD12
Juan Urango UD12
Jose Luis Castillo KO4
Paulie Malignaggi TKO11

Notable losses:

Floyd Mayweather TKO10
Manny Pacquiao KO2

Anyone else? Maybe Scott Harrison?

Who's your pick for Brit fighter of the decade?

David Haye could make a case for himself if he beats Wlad in June and then Vitali at the end of the year. That would be very impressive.

[ishy]

Naz only had 4 fights this decade so you can't really make a case for him. Though two wins were against Augie Sanchez and Vuyani Bungu.

[RedDragonBoxing]

Calzaghe deffo.

He unified the super middle division and was one of the top p4p fighters in the world and beat very good opposition at the latter end of his career.

[Dan684]

Fuck off red Dragon !

[LHL]

Fuck off red Dragon !

Soon as i seen his name i had a feeling i who he picked.

[bored]

Lennox Lewis by far, one of the best heavyweights ever. If Haye wins all of his fights with the Klitschkos then he'll be next best and have a serious claim for it though.

[RedDragonBoxing]

Fuck off red Dragon !

You can fuck off too mate. I like lennox and hes a great fighter but from 2000-2009 Calzaghe has been more active and has accomplished more

[FLINT ISLAND]

this thread would make more sense at the end of the year

because it would be the full 10 years of the decade over

and Haye could do something in that time to rise or fall in the consideration of things

Regardless though - Haye has already got a case

He unifed World Crueirweight titles - and he done it impressively

[Dan684]

Red Dragon - Imagine my suprise to find that your from Wales, called red Dragon Boxing and you HAD a Joe avatar and were voting for Joe :-) Seriously though mate I dont mind you voting for joe but quit with all this "beat very good opposition at the latter end of his career" speel please coz it doesn't wash :-)

[ishy]

this thread would make more sense at the end of the year

because it would be the full 10 years of the decade over

and Haye could do something in that time to rise or fall in the consideration of things

Regardless though - Haye has already got a case

He unifed World Crueirweight titles - and he done it impressively

Yeah it would. Haye has potentially another two fights this year and if he beats both Klits in those fights then he could be no.1 of the decade.

[RedDragonBoxing]

Red Dragon - Imagine my suprise to find that your from Wales, called red Dragon Boxing and you HAD a Joe avatar and were voting for Joe :-) Seriously though mate I dont mind you voting for joe but quit with all this "beat very good opposition at the latter end of his career" speel please coz it doesn't wash :-)

Mate is Calzaghe an option in the poll? yes he is.
Its my fucking opinion, and just cos i dont agree with your answer it doesnt mean you can tell me to fuck off. It dont matter where im from, but just cos im from wales means i cant vote for Joe Calzaghe cos ppl would think im biased? Mate Calzaghe is one of the best british boxers of all time and he is an option in the poll so it means i can vote for him sooooooooooooooooooo

Good mother fucking day to you sir

[Dan684]

Like I said I'm not bothered by your stupid opinion (I disagree by the way). He's probably 3rd best Welsh boxer of all time.

[FLINT ISLAND]

Yeah it would. Haye has potentially another two fights this year and if he beats both Klits in those fights then he could be no.1 of the decade.


Rebump this thread in January 2010 - and we will have a clearer idea of Hayes place in the decade.:good

[ishy]

Rebump this thread in January 2010 - and we will have a clearer idea of Hayes place in the decade.:good

:good

[FLINT ISLAND]

I'm gonna have to go for Joe Calzaghe though - just the sheer consistency - and he won and won and won right up until the end of 2008.

Calzaghe's career was defined over this decade

Lewis is the greatest - but the majority of his career was done by 2000

The Tyson victory was nothing - Tyson was just a punchbag - he was just there to take his lumps for a big cheque

[RedDragonBoxing]

Like I said I'm not bothered by your stupid opinion (I disagree by the way). He's probably 3rd best Welsh boxer of all time.

Still one of the best mate, and considering Jimmy wilde and Freddy Welsh are top notch boxers themselves but from 2000-2009 Calzaghe acclomplished the most. Just go back to sucking you bottle mate

[Grievesy]

I'll go for Calzaghe but, I think it's pretty close between him and Lewis which is quite pathetic for Calzaghe considering he has fought for almost three times as long as Lewis this decade and only has what, two more notable victories.

Also that KO loss for Lewis must go against him. Still it's Calzaghe.

[Dan684]

Look at the votes moron, now once again..... 'Fuck Off'

[FLINT ISLAND]

I'll go for Calzaghe but, I think it's pretty close between him and Lewis which is quite pathetic for Calzaghe considering he has fought for almost three times as long as Lewis this decade and only has what, two more notable victories.

Also that KO loss for Lewis must go against him. Still it's Calzaghe.

I agree

Its just Calzaghe's sheer volume of resume over that time that edges out Lewis

But Lewis C.V has more quality about it - but his last fight was in 2003.

Since then Calzaghe

has gone on and won

WBC / WBA / IBF World Titles

Won the Linear / Ring Magazine Light Heavyweight title

and been undfeated throughout

its got to be Calzaghe

[RedDragonBoxing]

Look at the votes moron, now once again..... 'Fuck Off'

So? George Bush got voted in as president, still didnt prove anything

[Dan684]

Nice comeback. Lewis' career ended in 2003 and he's still pushing Calzaghe for the best fighter of the decade. Simple enough really isn't it ?

[TFFP]

Calzaghe.

Hopkins is better than his best win, Vitali Klitschko. Hopkins is a legend of the sport, Vitali is mocked for his questionable resume.

Kessler is better than the Tua's and Grant's of this world without doubt.

The rest is a much of a muchness :good

[BadJuju83]

Calzaghe but if Haye beat both Klits I'd change my mind.

[mckay_89]

Calzaghe.

Hopkins is better than his best win, Vitali Klitschko. Hopkins is a legend of the sport, Vitali is mocked for his questionable resume.

Kessler is better than the Tua's and Grant's of this world without doubt.

The rest is a much of a muchness :good

I think Lewis' victory over Vitali is about the same as Calzaghe's over B-Hop when you consider the respective stages of their careers they were in they fought. B-Hop is at the tail end of his whilst in 2003 Vitali was at his very peak. Also, Joe's victory was pretty contentious whilst Lennox managed to stop Vitali (even though he was behind on the scorecards)

[beecho1988]

Lewis

[FLINT ISLAND]

I think Lewis' victory over Vitali is about the same as Calzaghe's over B-Hop when you consider the respective stages of their careers they were in they fought. B-Hop is at the tail end of his whilst in 2003 Vitali was at his very peak. Also, Joe's victory was pretty contentious whilst Lennox managed to stop Vitali (even though he was behind on the scorecards)#

Lewis tired and blowing

Been rocked several times

Behind on the scorecards

Then the fight is declared over in his favour

I am a big Lewis fan and his class might have pulled him through if the fight had gone on

However I bet he was relieved when it was over

That was more a forutnate victory then Calzaghe grinding out a close points win to Hopkins

[kosaros]

I choose Calzaghe.

[TFFP]

Calzaghe was at the end of his career also, and so was Lewis. There is nothing really in that. Vitali Klitschko ain't Hopkins and never will be, his achivements are lacklustre in comparison.

Contentious? Lewis was losing the fight and it got stopped on a cut. He deserved the win, I always believe a battle wound caused by a punch is a fair victory, but he didn't get the victory in any more of a clear way than Calzaghe because the fight was in Vitali's favour. Calzaghe won on points in the US against a spoiler.

[mckay_89]

#

Lewis tired and blowing

Been rocked several times

Behind on the scorecards

Then the fight is declared over in his favour

I am a big Lewis fan and his class might have pulled him through if the fight had gone on

However I bet he was relieved when it was over

That was more a forutnate victory then Calzaghe grinding out a close points win to Hopkins

I'm not so sure, people always bring up the fact that Lennox stopped him on a cut, but at the end of the day it was a cut opened by a punch and in the last round Lennox was continually catching him on that eye and worsening the cut, Lennox had won the last round round and Vitali was just as knackered as he was.

[mckay_89]

I still feel Calzaghe had the better decade by the way, although as many people have already posted; if Haye can beat both Klits (big ask) then he walks it.

[kosaros]

What about Johnny Nelson :yep

[TFFP]

A cut is what it is. It's a fair victory because ultimately you are trying to damage your opponent, but at the same time any of Vitali's numerous punches that landed on Lewis might have cut him, its just one of those things...

It wasn't exactly where he conclusively proved he was better on the night, and neither did Calzaghe.

They were both could have been justified rematches. Hopkins is better than Vitali, thats what it comes down to.

[FLINT ISLAND]

Hey Brit Forum posters

Get your ass into the lounge and vote on my jennifer dooley poll

Do it !!!!!!!

[Boro chris]

quit with all this "beat very good opposition at the latter end of his career" speel please coz it doesn't wash :-)

Yes it does.:huh
Calzaghe had a superb last couple of years in his career. That should be clear to anyone who isn't biased or has some sort of agenda.
Though it does put the rest of his career into a less than flattering light.

Anyway. Calzaghe clearly from 2000 although I rank Lewis higher on any atg list.

[P4PNo.1]

I'd say Calzaghe as he fought for a longer part of the decade. Lewis 2nd and Hatton 3rd.

[Dan684]

Boro Chris - How on earth can you call Hopkins (43) and a Jones who was already the middleweight champion of the world the day Calzaghe debuted a 'superb' end to a career. Or is it possibly the Kessler (good but not great) the green and totally overated Lacy (had had 24 fights and done fuck all since) and the 2 reality TV stars he beat that cemented his legacy ?

[light-welter]

Well, Ricky Hatton would have alot more votes if he didn't fight the two best p4p boxers, he certainly fought better opposition than Calzaghe. Scott Harrison could be in there if it wasn't for his antics outside the ring, if only he was around long enough to fight JMM, I'd have love to have seen that fight.

[kosaros]

Well, Ricky Hatton would have alot more votes if he didn't fight the two best p4p boxers, he certainly fought better opposition than Calzaghe.Scott Harrison could be in there if it wasn't for his antics outside the ring, if only he was around long enough to fight JMM, I'd have love to have seen that fight.

:huh:huh:huh

[TFFP]

Calzaghe became undisputed super middleweight champion, winning the title from Lacy and the remaining two titles from Kessler.

He stepped up a weight and became Ring Champ at light heavy beating a legend.

That's a pretty good last couple of years in anybodies book...

[Dan684]

Pretty good, not superb

[TommyV]

You can fuck off too mate. I like lennox and hes a great fighter but from 2000-2009 Calzaghe has been more active and has accomplished more

Shut the fuck up. And take your avatar down before I throw up again, you look like a fucking dyke.

[Dan684]

Ha Ha fucking G.I Jane :-)

[Grievesy]

Shut the fuck up. And take your avatar down before I throw up again, you look like a fucking dyke.

:rofl:rofl

[light-welter]

:huh:huh:huh

Ok, if Hatton stayed at light-welter and never fought floyd, and he never fought Pac, people would probobly think he was the best British fighter of the decade because he'd still be unbeaten. He could probobly beat Tim Bradly or Holt or Witter, and if he did so i think most people would say he's the best of the decade. No?

[TFFP]

By British standards it is superb. Havn't seen too many other fighters with comparable achivements in recent years.

[kosaros]

Pretty good, not superb

I kind of disagree, I believe it is sort of between 'pretty good' and 'superb' because it is very rare for a fighter to go out on top, remain undefeated and become the top fighter of two divisions. You would normally see a defeat/s on a boxers record at the end of their career, so calzaghe needs praise for remaining undefeated whilst in the toughest faze of his career and past him prime.

[FLINT ISLAND]

Ok, if Hatton stayed at light-welter and never fought floyd, and he never fought Pac, people would probobly think he was the best British fighter of the decade because he'd still be unbeaten. He could probobly beat Tim Bradly or Holt or Witter, and if he did so i think most people would say he's the best of the decade. No?


No

its the reason why Lewis is rated above Calzaghe

even though Lewis has been KO'd twice

and Calzaghe is the perfect 46-0

If Hatton had never fought Floyd and Pac - then you could still have the myth he was this unbeatable warrior

but

his C.V would not be impressive enough to claim to be so great

[FLINT ISLAND]

Calzaghe has always been a greater fighter than Hatton

He might not of fought pound for pound greats in their prime (apart from Hopkins who was better than ever)

But he would have done better than Hatton

You cant say Hatton is better than Calzaghe just because he fought better pound for pound fighters - because he was destroyed.

That'slike saying Clinton Woods is a great - because he fought Prime Roy Jones - except for the signifcant reality he was outclassed and stopped.

[kosaros]

Ok, if Hatton stayed at light-welter and never fought floyd, and he never fought Pac, people would probobly think he was the best British fighter of the decade because he'd still be unbeaten. He could probobly beat Tim Bradly or Holt or Witter, and if he did so i think most people would say he's the best of the decade. No?

Yes, but from your quote it seemed like you implied that you just removed the pac and floyd fights from his record and had not fought other opponents.

[light-welter]

No

its the reason why Lewis is rated above Calzaghe

even though Lewis has been KO'd twice

and Calzaghe is the perfect 46-0

If Hatton had never fought Floyd and Pac - then you could still have the myth he was this unbeatable warrior

but

his C.V would not be impressive enough to claim to be so great

True, i agree with you and thats why i voted for Lewis over Clazaghe. But look at the number of votes Calzaghe got, if the decision went the other way against Hopkins he would probobly have very few.
IF Hatton didn't fight Pac or Floyd, and had say 3 more wins against B level opposition, more people would consider him better than Calzaghe or Lewis than they do now.

[TFFP]

Hatton does nothing better than Calzaghe except punch harder. Nothing.

[kosaros]

Hatton does nothing better than Calzaghe except punch harder. Nothing.

I thought we were rating on accomplishments, not p4p rating.

[FLINT ISLAND]

True, i agree with you and thats why i voted for Lewis over Clazaghe. But look at the number of votes Calzaghe got, if the decision went the other way against Hopkins he would probobly have very few.
IF Hatton didn't fight Pac or Floyd, and had say 3 more wins against B level opposition, more people would consider him better than Calzaghe or Lewis than they do now.

True

But that would have more to do with smoke and mirrors of being undefeated and unexposed

Rather than proving yourself against the best

[TFFP]

If Hatton was fighting a Hopkins or Kessler he would have been knocked out. Calzaghe was getting tagged hard and often and stung on occasions but made the neccessary adjustments. As Roach said; Hatton can't adjust. After the first round you know his fate.

[light-welter]

True

But that would have more to do with smoke and mirrors of being undefeated and unexposed

Rather than proving yourself against the best

As Calzaghe was.

[Axl_Nose]

Was there any point in putting Scott Harrison on that list, considering he was a very average fighter .... How the hell did he get more votes than Hatton, thats just ridiculous !!
It has to be Calzaghe .. Scott Harrison, slightly better than Clinton Woods as a champion but lets be honest, that isnt saying much ..

Good thread but lost a little credibility when you mentioned Harrison ..

[Axl_Nose]

If Hatton was fighting a Hopkins or Kessler he would have been knocked out. Calzaghe was getting tagged hard and often and stung on occasions but made the neccessary adjustments. As Roach said; Hatton can't adjust. After the first round you know his fate.

The fact that Calzaghe was getting tagged hard by Kessler reflects badly on Calzaghe, it has nothing to do with Hatton .... Hatton got beat by P4P king Floyd and PFP king Manny Pac ..

Just remind me TFFP, apart from an old Beyer and a limited Andrade, who has Kessler beat ?? And for that matter, take away an old Jones and Hopkins and who did Calzaghe beat ??

Calzaghe beat nobody of any note that was in they're prime .. As Rafa Benitez would say 'FACT'

[Axl_Nose]

True

But that would have more to do with smoke and mirrors of being undefeated and unexposed

Rather than proving yourself against the best

Excellent post :good. I totally agree

[BadJuju83]

The fact that Calzaghe was getting tagged hard by Kessler reflects badly on Calzaghe, it has nothing to do with Hatton .... Hatton got beat by P4P king Floyd and PFP king Manny Pac ..

Just remind me TFFP, apart from an old Beyer and a limited Andrade, who has Kessler beat ?? And for that matter, take away an old Jones and Hopkins and who did Calzaghe beat ??

Calzaghe beat nobody of any note that was in they're prime .. As Rafa Benitez would say 'FACT'


Kessler is better than the Urango's and the Malignaggi's. And the Collazo's and Mausa's. If you cant see that while watching Kessler then we probably will never agree. Calzaghe wouldnt struggle with a Collazo type of the Lightheavys. When he moved up, he fought the best and beat him.

You cant take away Hopkins from Calzaghe. His win list and performance before,during and after cements his standing as a top 3 P4P'er. And Calzaghe beat him.

Whatever the age. Even if you didnt score it for Calzaghe It's close. No shut out or KO. When he steped up he was there with them. The others werent.

No contest for the 00's unless Haye gets the Klits.

[Axl_Nose]

Kessler is better than the Urango's and the Malignaggi's. And the Collazo's and Mausa's. If you cant see that while watching Kessler then we probably will never agree. Calzaghe wouldnt struggle with a Collazo type of the Lightheavys. When he moved up, he fought the best and beat him.

You cant take away Hopkins from Calzaghe. His win list and performance before,during and after cements his standing as a top 3 P4P'er. And Calzaghe beat him.

Whatever the age. Even if you didnt score it for Calzaghe It's close. No shut out or KO. When he steped up he was there with them. The others werent.

No contest for the 00's unless Haye gets the Klits.

I would agree with you to a point .. For me Kessler did well in a 'Losing' effort and there are plenty of guys that have looked good in a 'Losing' effort but the fact is that he lost ..
The Hopkins v Calzaghe fight is a very interesting one, i'm still not sure that Calzaghe won that fight, Yes he was always the aggressor but if you watch it again, Joe landed virtually nothing of any effectiveness .. I fully admit that ive never like Calzaghe's style of fighting but i could have scored that fight to Hopkins quite easily .. I know Hopkins work-rate in that fight was shocking but for 'effective boxing', i would have given it to Hopkins no problem, as Joe landed absolutely nothing in the whole fight, he was so inaccurate ..

My point is that Hatton got beat by the 2 best fighters of his generation and he is denigrated for losing .. Calzaghe never fought fighters of this calibre, he outboxed Lacey who proved to be a limited fighter. Kessler could yet prove to be a very good fighter but hes proved nothing up to this point, Hopkins could have gone either way and Jones was a shadow of his former self ....

[BadJuju83]

I would agree with you to a point .. For me Kessler did well in a 'Losing' effort and there are plenty of guys that have looked good in a 'Losing' effort but the fact is that he lost ..
The Hopkins v Calzaghe fight is a very interesting one, i'm still not sure that Calzaghe won that fight, Yes he was always the aggressor but if you watch it again, Joe landed virtually nothing of any effectiveness .. I fully admit that ive never like Calzaghe's style of fighting but i could have scored that fight to Hopkins quite easily .. I know Hopkins work-rate in that fight was shocking but for 'effective boxing', i would have given it to Hopkins no problem, as Joe landed absolutely nothing in the whole fight, he was so inaccurate ..

My point is that Hatton got beat by the 2 best fighters of his generation and he is denigrated for losing .. Calzaghe never fought fighters of this calibre, he outboxed Lacey who proved to be a limited fighter. Kessler could yet prove to be a very good fighter but hes proved nothing up to this point, Hopkins could have gone either way and Jones was a shadow of his former self ....


First paragrapgh, Kessler destroyed the boy that took the apparent NO.2 to the death. It is now apparently a hot division. Thats a good indication. As for Calz-Hop then If you had it for Hop then thats your shout.

But Calzaghe was there,more than there for me,and the majority watching. And more important, the judges. In this question thats more than enough.



I dont think Hatton was getting it rough, I certainly wasnt holding those loses against him. But if youre picking a fighter of the this decade then all things considerd, Calzaghe comes out on top.

[DOM5153]

Boro Chris - How on earth can you call Hopkins (43) and a Jones who was already the middleweight champion of the world the day Calzaghe debuted a 'superb' end to a career. Or is it possibly the Kessler (good but not great) the green and totally overated Lacy (had had 24 fights and done fuck all since) and the 2 reality TV stars he beat that cemented his legacy ?

and let me guess you were one of the ones that was hyping everyone to beat calzaghe, go suck on a lemon theirs nothing you can do about it:lol:

[Bill Butcher]

Even as a Scotsman, I wish to say the following.....


2 cunts voted for Scott Harrison :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Bill Butcher]

Nice comeback. Lewis' career ended in 2003 and he's still pushing Calzaghe for the best fighter of the decade. Simple enough really isn't it ?

Yes, simple.... the simple thing is that Lewis is 1 of the most overrated & Calzaghe 1 of the most underrated fighters on ESB, thats factual.

Calzaghe is better than Lewis PERIOD..... but in this decade ? :lol: dont make me laugh, no contest, Calzaghe by a shutout.

Only a jealous biased fool would try make it sound close.

Calzaghe is the best British fighter post war - which is pretty much all time as far as viewing pleasure.


Botswana :smoke

[Bill Butcher]

Calzaghe but if Haye beat both Klits I'd change my mind.

Calzaghe it is then ;)

[kosaros]

Yes, simple.... the simple thing is that Lewis is 1 of the most overrated & Calzaghe 1 of the most underrated fighters on ESB, thats factual.

Calzaghe is better than Lewis PERIOD..... but in this decade ? :lol: dont make me laugh, no contest, Calzaghe by a shutout.

Only a jealous biased fool would try make it sound close.

Calzaghe is the best British fighter post war - which is pretty much all time as far as viewing pleasure.


Botswana :smoke

Lewis is better than Calzaghe, fact.

[Bill Butcher]

its the reason why Lewis is rated above Calzagh

The only place Ive ever heard of Lewis being rated higher than Calzaghe p4p is here on ESB.... everything else Ive read & comments from experts n shit have always called Calzaghe the best post war Brit & I agree.

He was a more talented fighter with at least equal achievements.

[Bill Butcher]

Lewis is better than Calzaghe, fact.

Im glad most boxing experts dont share your opinion, most lists Ive seen regarding British fighters have Calzaghe over Lewis.... dont get me wrong, I myself dont think the `experts` word is gospel, I like to make my own mind up but its usually these cunts that get the final say with awards n shit & it would be a terrible injustice if Lewis won any kind of vote over Calzaghe.

Only on ESB is Lewis ranked over Calzaghe.... :good

[Bill Butcher]

Hatton does nothing better than Calzaghe except punch harder. Nothing.

And thats even debatable.

[Dan684]

Bill Butcher - I wouldn't call not rating Calzaghe as an all time great as being bitter. I mean it makes absoutley no difference to my life if he is thought of as an ATG or not. This is a boxing forum therefore if I feel the need to disagree with someone then I have absolutely every right to do so. Could you imagin what this forum would be like if everyone had the same ideals and agreed with everyone elses opinion ?

And to Dom - Yes actually I thought Jones would have beaten Calzaghe. I felt he had the power to win this and IMO if he'd have gone for it in the first 2 rounds he could have stopped Calzaghe. Calzaghe has been put on his arse plenty of times in his career, but always got back up and done well which is testiment to his (Very Underated) chin and incredible fitness. However, when Jones knocked him down (I know it wasn't a clear punch) THAT HURT CALZAGHE !! And Jones in all honesty should have pushed for the stoppage there and then. After round 2 he looked like a bambi who was struggling/refusing to walk and punch at the same time. I stick to my opinion though that 5-12 years ago Jones would have wiped Calzaghe off his feet !

And for the record I really dont think anyone can compare Calzaghe to Lewis and I genuinely dont rate Lewis as highly as most !

[widdy]

Yes, simple.... the simple thing is that Lewis is 1 of the most overrated & Calzaghe 1 of the most underrated fighters on ESB, thats factual.

Calzaghe is better than Lewis PERIOD..... but in this decade ? :lol: dont make me laugh, no contest, Calzaghe by a shutout.

Only a jealous biased fool would try make it sound close.

Calzaghe is the best British fighter post war - which is pretty much all time as far as viewing pleasure.


Botswana :smoke
pls can u post these experts polls,i put money on there pretty even,my vote went to lewis,and im the expert in my house,his record was nearly as good as JC's and he only fought for a few years this decade

[Dan684]

Yeah I would genuinely like to see who when push comes to shove would really say that Calzaghe is better than Lewis ??

[rhinocoote]

this is a tough one ..
do i let my heart rule my head and go for lewis,or do i take the sensible option over time and achievement and vote calzaghe,and would i be thinking any of this is hatton would have beat pacman or pbf ?.is haye finished article yet?
depends what i'm rating them all on..
defense?-attack?-ability to finish?-most emphatic?-no losses?

lets start with joe,first and foremost,the undefeated factor is still pretty special,took on some big names,though not all at peak,great defense in fact one of the best,not exactly emphatic,but has to be respected

ricky,untill the "big two",he ticked every box on a big scale and would have steamrolled this thread for me,enough said.

haye,he has a crap defense,but has done great things this far in cruiserweight,the thompson loss was the best thing to have happened to david,most certainly exciting and emphatic when he did the "french job",and i will include him when he does the "Russian job".

ah,now that leaves the only one to have done all things which the others have not,and coming in for me streets ahead is LENNOX LEWIS.surelyhas to be the best of this decade he went to the top and stayed there,taking out all in his way.enough said.

[galeranews]

Lennox Lewis - he knocked Tyson out, finished Grant career on a world level, get revenge on Rahman, beated Klitschko and gave good fight against always dangerous David Tua.

[LHL]

Lennox Lewis - he knocked Tyson out, finished Grant career on a world level, get revenge on Rahman, beated Klitschko and gave good fight against always dangerous David Tua.

that counts for less than the Jones win

[Carnage]

Again we are debating Calzaghe's record, how many times!!!!!Come on people lets stop this now, we all really now deep down....those wins were fluke!
Lewis IMO, Hatton would be close but due to the losses dont think he can be!
But I agree, bump this thread till the end of the year, until we know who the Cobra has annihilated!!

[widdy]

that counts for less than the Jones win

no way man,a shot tyson was much more dangerous at this stage of his career than a shot jones when he fought JC,and JC dident do a number on him like lewis did tyson:bbb:good

[LHL]

no way man,a shot tyson was much more dangerous at this stage of his career than a shot jones when he fought JC,and JC dident do a number on him like lewis did tyson:bbb:good

I disagree mate tyson was well finished Lewis done him in bad. Roy was finished also but for three rounds he looked dangerous

[FLINT ISLAND]

Lennox Lewis - he knocked Tyson out, finished Grant career on a world level, get revenge on Rahman, beated Klitschko and gave good fight against always dangerous David Tua.


If we are gonna pick holes in Calzaghes record then its only fair we do to Lewis also

Tyson was a human punch bag - who knew he could not win that fight

Grant was a bigger hype job that failed - than Jeff Lacy was

Rahman was always a up and down performer - who had been sparked by lesser fighter than Lennox Lewis

Klitshsko - was just a WBO Champion at the time - Lewis took the fight at short notice thinking it be easy - Kellseer was more proven when Calzaghe fought him as the WBC/ WBA champion

David Tua - for all his power - is quite limited -

['Ben']

It has to be Calzaghe. Lewis got knocked out twice by nobodies and never fought and beat any good fighters in their primes, so you could argue P4P Hatton was better? Not that I'm a Hatton lover or anything.

[FLINT ISLAND]

It has to be Calzaghe. Lewis got knocked out twice by nobodies and never fought and beat any good fighters in their primes, so you could argue P4P Hatton was better? Not that I'm a Hatton lover or anything.


this is about fighters legacys in this decade

Lewis getting knocked out by Oliver McCall in 1994 does not come into it

If it was overall legacy - Lewis would win no question

But as it stands - the bulk of Calzaghes signifcant career is in this decade

While Lewis was nearing the end of the road

So Calzaghe for me

[FLINT ISLAND]

It has to be Calzaghe. Lewis got knocked out twice by nobodies and never fought and beat any good fighters in their primes, so you could argue P4P Hatton was better? Not that I'm a Hatton lover or anything.


Hatton better than Lewis?

You must be fucking joking

Lewis got twice knocked out at heavyweight where huge punches are being delivered

Apart from that - Lewis was never really dominated in a ring

He fought everyone in his era

He fought Tyson much to late

But he was also a outstanding amateur who won everything - Olympic Gold , etc

He was the Undisputed Heavyweight Champion - with a arsenal of skills

And is recognised as a top 20 or even top 10 ATG heavyweight by alot of people

And you think a WBU Champion legacy is better?

Lewis was a class above Hatton

[LHL]

Hatton better than Lewis?

You must be fucking joking

Lewis got twice knocked out at heavyweight where huge punches are being delivered

Apart from that - Lewis was never really dominated in a ring

He fought everyone in his era

He fought Tyson much to late

But he was also a outstanding amateur who won everything - Olympic Gold , etc

He was the Undisputed Heavyweight Champion - with a arsenal of skills

And is recognised as a top 20 or even top 10 ATG heavyweight by alot of people

And you think a WBU Champion legacy is better?

Lewis was a class above Hatton

What he said :deal

To even mention hatton above Lewis is laughable

[gasman]

[quote='Ben';4123939]It has to be Calzaghe. Lewis got knocked out twice by nobodies and never fought and beat any good fighters in their primes quote]

Exactly.

Even Bruno beat Oliver McCall, but McCall sparked Lewis in 2.

Calzaghe by a distance. Easy.

[FrochPascal]

obviously calzaghe

[Evil Rich]

My vote was and is for Joe Calzaghe but I wonder if on pure achievement alone where Amir Khan would rate (this is assuming he beats Kotlenik) he would have won both a world title and an olympic silver medal for Britain. Whilst I don't think that quite beats Calzaghe/Lewis in terms of achievement during the 00's I think it would make him third best fighter at the very least.

Then you have James DeGale who won us the gold at the Olympics (and I think it was Saunders who won the world amateur championship) although hasn't had enough pro fights to be in any serious contention for a World title before the end of the year. I guess the question I'm asking is, in this thread are we considering amateur careers and if so where would you rank an Olympic gold in terms of achievement.

[Dan684]

My vote was and is for Joe Calzaghe but I wonder if on pure achievement alone where Amir Khan would rate (this is assuming he beats Kotlenik) he would have won both a world title and an olympic silver medal for Britain. Whilst I don't think that quite beats Calzaghe/Lewis in terms of achievement during the 00's I think it would make him third best fighter at the very least.

Then you have James DeGale who won us the gold at the Olympics (and I think it was Saunders who won the world amateur championship) although hasn't had enough pro fights to be in any serious contention for a World title before the end of the year. I guess the question I'm asking is, in this thread are we considering amateur careers and if so where would you rank an Olympic gold in terms of achievement.

It wasn't mate it was Frankie Gavin

[El Cepillo]

I'll vote Haye if he beats Wlad.

[ishy]

It has to be Calzaghe. Lewis got knocked out twice by nobodies and never fought and beat any good fighters in their primes

Exactly.

Even Bruno beat Oliver McCall, but McCall sparked Lewis in 2.

Calzaghe by a distance. Easy.

But Lewis beat Bruno and avenged his loss to McCall ;)

[El Cepillo]

It has to be Calzaghe. Lewis got knocked out twice by nobodies and never fought and beat any good fighters in their primes, so you could argue P4P Hatton was better? Not that I'm a Hatton lover or anything.

:rofl You know nothing.

[ishy]

:rofl You know nothing.

:rofl:rofl:yep