why is winky still top p4p?

[Relentless]

what has he done since beating mosley and trinidad 2 years ago?

[Pimp C]

what has he done since beating mosley and trinidad 2 years ago?
He beat Taylor and lost in a close fight against an ATG in Hopkins. He is top 10 P4P hands down.

[VIP]

Robbed against Taylor, beat Quartey, close fight with Hopkins at 170.

[jaycuban]

Because noboy in the world can beat him, nobody has proven that they can.

[Quik]

Robbed against Taylor, beat Quartey, close fight with Hopkins at 170.

Yea he did well in those fights but you gotta do more then well in big fights to diserve a place in top 10 p4p. In his prime, Winky diserved a place in there without a doubt but theres better young fighters that have their place in there right now, more then winky.

[PH|LLA]

Because noboy in the world can beat him, nobody has proven that they can.
:patsch

[brooklyn1550]

Because noboy in the world can beat him, nobody has proven that they can.

Bernard Hopkins UD12 Winky Wright
116-112, 117-111, 117-111

[Stinky gloves]

The reason Winky stayed so high on the P4P list is because he went undefeated for so long .

But he isn't anymore so move out with this guy!
If he wants to stay at top p4p he need to win with someone ...

[achillesthegreat]

He dominated Tito, a great 154 pounder.

He became the irrefutable number 1 contender at a NEW weight.

He dominated an excellent welter/light middle.

He fought a close fight with the best light heavyweight in the world.

I agree, he shouldn't still be top P4P :patsch

[jonesjrp4p1]

he lost to taylor.....wasnt dominated but def beat decisively against hopkins, and although he beat quartey i think ike had a good showing for himself and probably would have beat him years ago.....so bye bye winky if u ask me.....whine ass

[Stinky gloves]

He dominated Tito, a great 154 pounder.

He became the irrefutable number 1 contender at a NEW weight.

He dominated an excellent welter/light middle.

He fought a close fight with the best light heavyweight in the world.

I agree, he shouldn't still be top P4P :patsch
Following your arguments ....
do you realize Roy Jones won HW title and dominated LHW for many years,
he is way ahead of Winkys accomplishemnts and he is fighting Tito at 170 lb.
So even if Jones lose to Tito he should be before Winky right now ... say at #3 p4p :deal

[Boro chris]

I thought he edged Taylor but he looked terrible (old and fat) against a very unimpresive Hopkins. Both were greats but any of the LH champs would moider 'em now. Winky shouldn't be considered top 10 p4p anymore imo.

[achillesthegreat]

Following your arguments ....
do you realize Roy Jones won HW title and dominated LHW for many years,
he is way ahead of Winkys accomplishemnts and he is fighting Tito at 170 lb.
So even if Jones lose to Tito he should be before Winky right now ... say at #3 p4p :deal
You are talking about legacy and history.

P4P is a what have you done for me lately thing.

Lately RJJ has lost three times in a row, then beaten C fighters and is now facing a great who has done NOTHING for a long time.

Winky has been at the ABSOLUTE TOP fight in, fight out, since Mosley.

[Stinky gloves]

You are talking about legacy and history.

P4P is a what have you done for me lately thing.

Lately RJJ has lost three times in a row, then beaten C fighters and is now facing a great who has done NOTHING for a long time.

Winky has been at the ABSOLUTE TOP fight in, fight out, since Mosley.
Ok so if you are arguing about the recent accomplishments :huh
who did Winky beat recently to have the p4p spot :think?

He drew with Taylor and lost to 43 year old Hopkins who lost to Taylor twice when he was 3 years younger? :hi:

I'm not saying he is a vary bad right now but way below top #10 p4p spot.

For me his RECENT accomplishments warrant him something like #15 .. this number its cool for me.

[Ramshall1]

I had the Winky-Hops fight. . . if you wanna call it a fight, , ,a draw.
Winky is still top 5.

[kirk]

soooo... are you saying that a draw against the middle champ, and a close loss to Hopkins should REMOVE him from the p4p?

[Stinky gloves]

You know nobody is in top #10 pvp to the end of his live.
There are other guys who deserve to be at this list because their
recent accomplishments are better than getting draws and loses.

To be at the top of the world best list require to be active and wins all the time.
I don't get it, how can anyone be top 10 boxer in the world if he is drawing and losing his fights.

NOBODY IS REMOVING him from P4P list, he just drops outside top 10.
On my list he is around # 15.

[DanePugilist]

Robbed against Taylor, beat Quartey, close fight with Hopkins at 170.You shouldn't get pts, even if robbed, nor close fights - its ridiculous.

[El Bombasto]

Because pound-for-pound 'rankings' are meaningless

[Stinky gloves]

Because pound-for-pound 'rankings' are meaningless

What isn't then?

[DanePugilist]

Because pound-for-pound 'rankings' are meaninglessAnd yet its the measuring system that most go by.

[boxbox]

a loss is a loss...should make way for people who wins! dont think he should still be there too..maybe top 15 right now

[DanePugilist]

a loss is a loss...should make way for people who wins! dont think he should still be there too..maybe top 15 right nowTo some people he was top 3 - he shouldn't move so far down. Some people still feels he lost to an elite.

[box03]

Its not like winky got blowed out by hopkins or taylor, both of them were close fights that could of gone either way. Winky is way more deserving of a top 10 spot then roy jones who hasnt beaten anyone good in 4 or 5 years and has been beaten badly when he has thought better than C+ oppenents like johnson and tarver again.

[boxbox]

To some people he was top 3 - he shouldn't move so far down. Some people still feels he lost to an elite.

i dunno...i still think he hasnt proven he can win in a long time, i wouldnt say he got beaten up badly but still he lost, and P4P is about winning your fights and not losing it in a heroic effort.

[DanePugilist]

i dunno...i still think he hasnt proven he can win in a long time, i wouldnt say he got beaten up badly but still he lost, and P4P is about winning your fights and not losing it in a heroic effort.I totally agree.

[Rock0052]

I like Winky, but there have been too many other guys winning that deserve a top 10 P4P ranking. It's not fair to punish them because Winky has been "not winning" impressively.

Plus, if he wins his next fight against a name guy, it's not like people wouldn't jack him right back up the rankings. I'd like to see Wright vs Abraham myself.

[Wilhelm]

He beat Taylor and lost in a close fight against an ATG in Hopkins. He is top 10 P4P hands down.

Exactly. He was the champ at 154 and then moved up to fight the champs of the next two higher weight classes and fought very well against them. Not some lame "belt holders", but the legit champs at those weights. If that's not PFP then what the hell does PFP mean?

[Fab2333]

a loss is a loss...should make way for people who wins! dont think he should still be there too..maybe top 15 right now

I dont think thats a right assesment.
So if Floyd were to lose to Hatton, that would just automatically propel him to #15 or somewhere around there on the p4p list for 1 L. After he has been winning for years?

Winky has been doing his thing 4 the past couple of years. Arguably the best 154 pounder to lace up gloves.
He beat Shane 2x's
Beat Tito
I had him winnning the Vargas fight but thats neither here nor there. he moved up drawed with the middleweight champion. And I thought he won that fight by the way but for the record its a draw. he beat a good fighter in Ike Quartey
He lost to an ATG in Bernard Hopkins, to just move him all the way down to #15 isnt to right.

the definition of p4p I thought was based on a skill factor
"It is often said to have been created to describe world Welterweight ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) and Middleweight ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) champion Sugar Ray Robinson ([Only registered and activated users can see links]).[1] ([Only registered and activated users can see links]_note-Sportscentury) Robinson is one of the most accomplished fighter of the modern era, but his supporters realized that, while he could beat anyone in his own class, as a Middleweight he would not be able to beat a top Heavyweight ([Only registered and activated users can see links]). Hence, Robinson was called the pound-for-pound best without being expected to beat much larger fighters, under the belief that he as a Middleweight was still a better quality fighter than any fighter fighting at heavier or lighter weights than him."

So if we go by that defintion, there isnt to many people that would have been higher than #15 that can beat him. So droppin him 2 #15 isnt right

[sues2nd]

Because noboy in the world can beat him, nobody has proven that they can.

Your delusional.

Now as for the original question.

He beat Mosely twice....then beat Tito by shutout....then beat a tough fighter in Solimon...then drew with Taylor....then beat Quartey convincingly....then lost a close fight with Hopkins.

So, 5 of his last 7 fights have been vs top10 p4p fighters and in those he is 5-1-1.

THAT is why.

[Fab2333]

Your delusional.

Now as for the original question.

He beat Mosely twice....then beat Tito by shutout....then beat a tough fighter in Solimon...then drew with Taylor....then beat Quartey convincingly....then lost a close fight with Hopkins.

So, 5 of his last 7 fights have been vs top10 p4p fighters and in those he is 5-1-1.

THAT is why.

yeah i 4got about Sam solimon. Hes another 1
I agree wit ya sues

[sues2nd]

yeah i 4got about Sam solimon. Hes another 1
I agree wit ya sues

:good

I just dont understand how people attempt to discredit Winky for losing to one of the best fighters of this generation?

I am sure these people who want Wright out of the top ten, want someone who hasnt fought anywhere NEAR the competition he has in his last few.

Someone said that a loss is a loss and that the top10 should be left for people who win (too lazy to go back and look who said it)....but that makes ZERO sense.

Winky lost to Bernard Hopkins and drew with Taylor before that.
Bronco Mckart (looked up a random name) just beat Enrique Ornelas (WHO?) and beat with Clarence Taylor (again WHO???) before that.

Going by that logic, Mckart should hold a higher p4p ranking than Winky....I mean....Bronco is 2-0-0 in his last 2....Winky is 0-1-1.

See my point.

[Fedor Em]

Winky is a top 10 p4p fighter because over the past 5 years he has beaten Mosley twice, Trinidad, Quartey, Solomon fought a great fight against Taylor in which I had even or 7-5 Winky it was too close to call with a couple rounds. Then moved up to Light heavyweight which is 4 divisions higher that where he started and lost a close fight against one of the greatest fighters not only of this era but in the history of the sport. Winky is definately a HOF'er, top 10 p4p fighter still (I have at 8), and an ATG at 154.

[Fedor Em]

Winky has lost back-to-back. No p4per loses back-to-back.

Damn you must be thinking about a different Winky, because his loss to Hopkins is Winks first in 8 years. One could argue he hasn't really lost since Vasquez before the Hopkins fight.

[Fedor Em]

One could also argue that he lost to Taylor. :good

Yeah, but you couldn't give Taylor more than 7 rounds of that fight. 8 rounds could have been scored for Winky. This fight was so close though it was really hard to score.

[Korn_06]

If the P4P list is the top fighters in the whole sport of boxing at any given time, which I think it is inteded as. Then it is not too much to ask that you win confortable and consistently against top opposition, that be strong contenders and champs. Who cares how fat you are when you fight? Fighting the best may force you to move up and down i weight but that does not come with an excuse.

What Winky did 3 years ago should not grant him a spot on todays list. I dont think he is one of the 10 most dominant and skilled fighters at the moment, but I like his style and I think he can come back.

[Relentless]

Your delusional.

Now as for the original question.

He beat Mosely twice....then beat Tito by shutout....then beat a tough fighter in Solimon...then drew with Taylor....then beat Quartey convincingly....then lost a close fight with Hopkins.

So, 5 of his last 7 fights have been vs top10 p4p fighters and in those he is 5-1-1.

THAT is why.

that was like 2 or 3 years ago

[achillesthegreat]

Ok so if you are arguing about the recent accomplishments :huh
who did Winky beat recently to have the p4p spot :think?

He drew with Taylor and lost to 43 year old Hopkins who lost to Taylor twice when he was 3 years younger? :hi:

I'm not saying he is a vary bad right now but way below top #10 p4p spot.

For me his RECENT accomplishments warrant him something like #15 .. this number its cool for me.
He lost a CLOSE and COMPETATIVE fight to the best light heavyweight in the world. He came up from 160. It does little to affect his ranking. He goes down a spot or two because he lost but he remains a top P4P player.

Prior to X he drew with the best middleweight in the world in another CLOSE and COMPETATIVE fight. He beat the number 1 contender at 160 and three top 154 pounders in Mosley, Quartey and Tito.

He is not way below top 10. That is madness. 15 is respectable.

[Stinky gloves]

I dont think thats a right assesment.
So if Floyd were to lose to Hatton, that would just automatically propel him to #15 or somewhere around there on the p4p list for 1 L. After he has been winning for years?


Winky never been at the level Floyd is.

If Floyd lose to Hatton he will probably drop out of top #3.
Then if Floyd lose to Mosley or Cotto for example he drops to the back of top #10.

He have credit for 2 loses. Winkys credis to be at top10 pvp is empty right now.

[Stinky gloves]

Then moved up to Light heavyweight which is 4 divisions higher that where he started and lost a close fight against one of the greatest fighters not only of this era but in the history of the sport.

Why Winky didn't challenged any one of legitimate LHW champions but 43 years old blown up middleweight?

[Fedor Em]

Why Winky didn't challenged any one of legitimate LHW champions but 43 years old blown up middleweight?

Most Money, biggest name, and the ring championship. Bernard Hopkins looks better on anyones ones record than any other a 175 right now. Chad Dawson might change that a few years down the road but as of right now B-Hop rules the roost.

[Stinky gloves]

Most Money, biggest name, and the ring championship. Bernard Hopkins looks better on anyones ones record than any other a 175 right now. Chad Dawson might change that a few years down the road but as of right now B-Hop rules the roost.

But no one of these reasons is valid for legitimate "going up 4 divisions up".
Hopkins is not even a legitimate contender at LHW. His ring "so called championship"
is based on Tarvers lucky punch over faded Jones 4 years ago.

[Fab2333]

Winky never been at the level Floyd is.

If Floyd lose to Hatton he will probably drop out of top #3.
Then if Floyd lose to Mosley or Cotto for example he drops to the back of top #10.

He have credit for 2 loses. Winkys credis to be at top10 pvp is empty right now.

Why b/c Floyd is undefeated?
B-Hop aint undefeatd either. WHo has he beaten in the past 2 or 3 yrs?
He lost to Taylor not once but 2wice. So why is he ranked high on the p4p list.

I dont think 1 L in the past how many years, just drops you 2 #15.

[Stinky gloves]

Why b/c Floyd is undefeated?
B-Hop aint undefeatd either. WHo has he beaten in the past 2 or 3 yrs?
He lost to Taylor not once but 2wice. So why is he ranked high on the p4p list.

I dont think 1 L in the past how many years, just drops you 2 #15.
Floyd is undefeated and #1 if you like it or not. Winky is not and never was.

Hopkins is high because he won with Tarver and currently with Winky.
Winky is low because he lost to Hopkins and drew with Taylor.
The people who wins stays high the guys who not stays low.
What problem do you have? Lets him keep winning he will be higher again.

[Fab2333]

Floyd is undefeated and #1 if you like it or not. Winky is not and never was.

Hopkins is high because he won with Tarver and currently with Winky.
Winky is low because he lost to Hopkins and drew with Taylor.
The people who wins stays high the guys who not stays low.
What problem do you have? Lets him keep winning he will be higher again.

im not disputing floyd being undefeated and #1. I agree with that. All im sayin is that he hasnt lost in his last in his last 13 fights prior to B-hop
And along the way he beat Mosley 2wice, Sam Solimon, Felix Trinidad, got a draw decision with Jermain Taylor (even though I think he won), Beat a good fighter in Ike Quartey, then he comes up 10 pounds to fight the best LHW out there in Bernard Hopkins. Gives a competitive fight, he loses, and that automatically propels him to #15 that is what I dont understand

the definition of p4p I thought was based on a skill factor
"It is often said to have been created to describe world Welterweight ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) and Middleweight ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) champion Sugar Ray Robinson ([Only registered and activated users can see links]).[1] ([Only registered and activated users can see links]_note-Sportscentury) Robinson is one of the most accomplished fighter of the modern era, but his supporters realized that, while he could beat anyone in his own class, as a Middleweight he would not be able to beat a top Heavyweight ([Only registered and activated users can see links]). Hence, Robinson was called the pound-for-pound best without being expected to beat much larger fighters, under the belief that he as a Middleweight was still a better quality fighter than any fighter fighting at heavier or lighter weights than him."

So if we go by that definition, people that are ranked ahead of him he already beat h2h, or drawed with them etc.

[Stinky gloves]

And along the way he beat Mosley 2wice, Sam Solimon, Felix Trinidad, got a draw decision with Jermain Taylor (even though I think he won), Beat a good fighter in Ike Quartey, then he comes up 10 pounds to fight the best LHW out there in Bernard Hopkins. Gives a competitive fight, he loses, and that automatically propels him to #15 that is what I dont understand

The probelem is that top p4p list is for top boxers in the world counting all divisions.
Winkys win over Tito and Mosley were great and gave him strong position on top 10 p4p
list for a few years.

But seriously these wins were a few years ago. The credit he earned with
these wins was good for keeping him at the top p4p list for 2-3 years.
But his recent (last 2 year accomplishment) is not efficient enough to
warrant him to be CURRENTLY within top 10 boxers in the WORLD.
Who is Quartey and Solimon ... just a good contenders not top pvp fighters.

Hopkins is still good enough but seriously ...
he have low chance against other CURRENT top LHW.
Hopkins will fight other blown up fighters and faded old champions,
he will never be legitimate contender again, especially at LHW.

[Stinky gloves]

Here is list of boxers Winky may beat to be at top 10 pvp.
Just one name to beat and nobody will argue Winky isn't worth his place over there.

Floyd Mayweather
Oscar De La Hoya
Vernon Forrest
Sergei Dzinziruk
Jermain Taylor
Cory Spinks
Arthur Abraham
Kelly Pavlik
Roman Karmazin
Edison Miranda
Felix Sturm
Joe Calzaghe
Mikkel Kessler
Anthony Mundine