Froch may leave the UK for Spain as apparently he has to pay 50 percent tax!!!

[FrochPascal]

what a joke! i didnt know this. 50 percent? thats just ridiculous. My advice...get on the first plane and leave. Damn dirty MP's paying for their porn with your money and shit. Paying their gardeners and idiots scamming the system, get the f out of here. I still cant believe 50 percent. Froch-seeya:good:hi:

[Betty Swollocks]

The UK is a total dump these days, it's all gone tits up in the last 10 years. Froch should leave

[Maxime]

Why do you think Mikkel Kessler and most F1 drivers lives in Monaco? :lol:

They don't want half of their hard earned money to go out the window.

[robpalmer135]

I do not see what Froch is complaining about, and also how there is a possibility of paying 50% tax, theres nothing possible about it he will have to do it. Its the bloody law.

I can see all you lot slagging of the country for being shit all day long but the seconed we have to pay more tax we all complain, its complete crap.

[Max Molyneux]

Only heard the tax rate being %40 at the highest and heard it will go to %45. Never heard of a %50 rate. He said in boxing monthly he invested in property over there a while back and is probably going there for business.

Froch is making excuses and just because he's a boxer doesn't mean he deserves to pay less tax. His pay days were high enough for the high rate. He's probably bullshitting as he likes to bitch over something.

Alot of people blindy give boxers support sometimes.

He can go to Spain and live with the rest of the crusty sunburned brits. :yep

[trotter]

The new 50% top rate band was announced a few month back in the budget, not kicked in yet I don't think

Froch has made his money in the UK and if he's coining enough to have to pay top rate tax he should think himself lucky, never mind skipping the country

[Guy]

Tough shit Carl it's the same for everyone who earns the amount of money you do a year.:thumbsup

[TFFP]

50%! :lol:

What a load of shit.

[robpalmer135]

Currently anything up to £5,500.00 cannot be taxed.

Anything from £5,500.00 to £36,000 its taxed and 20%

Anything from £36,000 to £150,000 its taxed at 40%

Anything from £150,000+ will be taxed at 50% from July onwards I beleive.


The major problem for Froch is that he will also get taxed in the states if he fights there.

If Froch get £1million from his next US fight, UK tax will leave him with about £600k. Add US tax to that and he is walking away with about £400,000. In foreign coutrys they would not tax Froch so heavialy for cash he makes outside the country.

Its still allot of money but when you consider he could save 30% of his purse from tax each fight, you cannot blame the guy.

[TFFP]

I certainly don't blame him, I'd be on the first plane to Monaco.

50% WTF. 50% of your earnings...down the drain...for what? Fuck that.

[BIGMARK]

Good the house next door to me is for sale.

[robpalmer135]

I certainly don't blame him, I'd be on the first plane to Monaco.

50% WTF. 50% of your earnings...down the drain...for what? Fuck that.

its not 50%. Its 50% of anything over 150k.

Would you rather everyone just got taxed 45% of any amount they earned, or would you rather high earners get taxed a bit more???

[TFFP]

I'd probably rather the MP's didn't cream it all off for themselves, if I was still in the UK.

[Wilox]

I certainly don't blame him, I'd be on the first plane to Monaco.

50% WTF. 50% of your earnings...down the drain...for what? Fuck that.

It's not 50% of your entire earnings you dumb ass, it's 50% of each pound you earn over £150,000, which is how it fucking should be!

[TFFP]

That would be 425,000 of a £1mill purse you pedantic piece of shit.

[Bodysnatcher]

Oh, my heart fucking bleeds for him.

I thought he was a thoughtful guy but he just sounds like a Daily Mail-reading windbag.

Fuck him.

Time to change the avatar :)

[hoagy]

He is not the 1st and will not be the last...expect Companies to exit to foreign shores to escape the tax hikes that have been put on hold till after next years election.

Labour fecked up big time and the worst is yet to come...dont matter who gets in...this mess has to be paid for

[GazOC]

I can see the headlines now. "Man who earns a lot of money is asked to pay more Income Tax".:patsch

Moaning fucker. The chance to pay 50% on anything over £150,000 would be a fine thing!!

[pathmanc1986]

wayne rooney said he said something to brown about it when they met

he should just hop across the irish sea, i seem to remember half of hollywood moved to


dalky outside dublin because they ahem 'loved the place'

[Bodysnatcher]

These moaning fuckers should be grateful they didn't earn their millions during Thatcher's time - for the first NINE YEARS of her rule, the top rate of tax was 60%.

[FLINT ISLAND]

I would do what Froch is doing

Good for him

50% tax is just raping you of your money

robpalmer says its the law you have to pay it

but the law is one of the most immoral corrupt things about Britain

well the law is created by a bunch of corrupt sicko's in suits

its not like that 50% is going to a good cause

most of that money will pay for John Prescotts new kicthen on his 2nd home

or

to pay for a goverment "work related training course" for 3 weeks in Barbados

fuck the goverment

good on froch

no one should be raped of 50% of what they earn

[robpalmer135]

That would be 425,000 of a £1mill purse you pedantic piece of shit.

yeh, thats not 50% is it. you dont even live in the UK so shut the fuck up.

[MickeyBlueEyess]

I would do what Froch is doing

Good for him

50% tax is just raping you of your money

robpalmer says its the law you have to pay it

but the law is one of the most immoral corrupt things about Britain

well the law is created by a bunch of corrupt sicko's in suits

its not like that 50% is going to a good cause

most of that money will pay for John Prescotts new kicthen on his 2nd home

or

to pay for a goverment "work related training course" for 3 weeks in Barbados

fuck the goverment

good on froch

no one should be raped of 50% of what they earn

For once i completely agree with Flint :thumbsup

People can look at it that its the law but at the end of the day its a complete fucking rip off.

Good on Froch i would do the same :deal

[GazOC]

People would soon moan if they kept the high earners down at 40% and upped the basic rate for the rest of us another 5% to cover it.

[MickeyBlueEyess]

People would soon moan if they kept the high earners down at 40% and upped the basic rate for the rest of us another 5% to cover it.

It shouldnt be as high as it is for any of us, end off :bart

[TFFP]

Come on, they've got home cinema systems and double glazing on their fifth country cottage to pay for, be reasonable :nono

[GazOC]

It shouldnt be as high as it is for any of us, end off :bart

And how would you fund this tax-free Utopia?

[FLINT ISLAND]

People would soon moan if they kept the high earners down at 40% and upped the basic rate for the rest of us another 5% to cover it.


but if so much % of tax money wasnt abused - in paying for the luxury lifestyle of all the corrupt MP's

we could all have a lower rate of tax - wether you earn £0 - or £10 million a year

I believe everyone should pay the same % of tax whatever you earn

why should you be penailsed for being more successful

10% tax sounds about right

If they cut out all the abuse of tax - like spending £100,000 a year to look after convicted Peado's and Murderers in luxry prisons

10% of everyones money - would be enough to run Hosptials, Libarays, etc, etc, etc

The reason why everyone has to pay up to 50% is so the goverment has piles of cash to abuse on whatever they want

and most of what tax money is spent on is complete rubbish

one hospital had money problems etc- so they employed £10,000 a week "advisors" on how to get them out of the mess :nut

[GazOC]

Wasted tax revenue is a fact of life, its easy to dig out headlines of axe-murderers being given X-Boxes in prision but its a drop in the ocean. Your "10% is enough" is just plucked out of thin air....

[FLINT ISLAND]

Come on, they've got home cinema systems and double glazing on their fifth country cottage to pay for, be reasonable :nono


yeah its just all a big scam

tax money should be about you contributing a slice of your earnings to better the society you live in

NHS Service
Public Libarys
Public Toilets
Roads
Public Parks
etc,
etc

and while some money does get spent on these things

more money gets abused on things that have nothing to do with what tax should be for

thats why everyone has to pay so much

to fund the greedy powerful peoples lifestyle

in other words

the rich elite - rape the working class - to make themselves even more better off

its modern day Robin Hood - in reverse

[Bodysnatcher]

To be honest, I think 43-45%, on par with somewhere like Germany or Spain, would be more sensible - as people have said, we could have Scandinavian tax rates, but they won't get us Scandinavian levels of public service and security.

[FLINT ISLAND]

Wasted tax revenue is a fact of life, its easy to dig out headlines of axe-murderers being given X-Boxes in prision but its a drop in the ocean. Your "10% is enough" is just plucked out of thin air....


the figure is plucked out of thin air

but I am just making my point

I would love to know out of 100% tax a year Britain pays - how much of that is really spent on bettering our society

and how much is spent on bogus things - like Gordon Browns holiday expenses and food shopping monthly allowances.

MP's get about - fucking £500 - £1000 a month allowance for food shopping :shock:

I have to pay for my own food

They can go to Tesco spend a £1000 a month and as long as they produce the receipts they get all the money refunded to them :shock:

[GazOC]

Christ!! This is going to turn into a Daily Mail "the countries gone to the dogs", "kids have no respect these days", "I'm afraid to step outside my house", "darkies are taking our jobs" type whinge.

[Bodysnatcher]

He is not the 1st and will not be the last...expect Companies to exit to foreign shores to escape the tax hikes that have been put on hold till after next years election.

Labour fecked up big time and the worst is yet to come...dont matter who gets in...this mess has to be paid for

It's standard to hear the `business will flock elsewhere` complaint, but the UK's corporation tax is still lower (or about the same) as similiar developed countries, as is its income tax.

Unless businesses suddenly decide to decamp to somewhere like Serbia or Romania, which I can't see, they ain't going anywhere, but they'll try and bluff people that they are.

Just like Carl Froch.

[FLINT ISLAND]

in the paper the other day

a MP woman paid her husband - £22,500 of taxpayers money - to help her write a 5 page leaflet on waste dispsol management

she explained that his "expert" advice was needed

they employ family members for bogus jobs and they get paid big salarys by the taxpayers

[TFFP]

in the paper the other day

a MP woman paid her husband - £22,500 of taxpayers money - to help her write a 5 page leaflet on waste dispsol management

she explained that his "expert" advice was needed

they employ family members for bogus jobs and they get paid big salarys by the taxpayers
:-(

Politicians in all countries are thieving, greedy wankers.

[GazOC]

:-(

Politicians in all countries are thieving, greedy wankers.

Correct. Its nothing new, its been going on for years its just that they've been caught out now and everyones starting to realize what a gravy train they've all been on.

[TFFP]

I just hope this socialist mob we've got have some sense of responsibility and morality.

Disgusting capitalist scum gambling with the economy! :twisted:

Gordon Brown and his lot are a disgrace also but so is that twat Cameron. You guys are stuck between a rock and a hard place.

[Carnage]

Politicians are wankers, I think its wrong, but when your country is struggling, people are stuggling and you have to pay more, on top of your very nice salary, is it really a biggy?So what if you can't afford the extra ferrari, or the 160" TV screen, surely you should be still in a much, much better place then everyone else. But you get away with Carl, but don't go Spain!!!!!

[FLINT ISLAND]

Correct. Its nothing new, its been going on for years its just that they've been caught out now and everyones starting to realize what a gravy train they've all been on.


what took everyone so long to realise this? :?

[Jack Dempsey]

Apparently Arshavin was moaning that he was only taking home £40k a week because of the tax, he was better off in Russia where he payed 13% tax!

[FLINT ISLAND]

Politicians are wankers, I think its wrong, but when your country is struggling, people are stuggling and you have to pay more, on top of your very nice salary, is it really a biggy?So what if you can't afford the extra ferrari, or the 160" TV screen, surely you should be still in a much, much better place then everyone else. But you get away with Carl, but don't go Spain!!!!!

yeah but its paying money to a bogus system

they just want your money so they can spend it on themselves

its not like it is going to a good cause

Froch might not get the extra ferrari or the big 160" TV screen

but Jack Presccot and Alistar Darling will :deal

[FLINT ISLAND]

this is what Froch's 50% tax will be spent on if he stays in UK............................


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[GazOC]

I just hope this socialist mob we've got have some sense of responsibility and morality.

Disgusting capitalist scum gambling with the economy! :twisted:

Gordon Brown and his lot are a disgrace also but so is that twat Cameron. You guys are stuck between a rock and a hard place.

The UK doesn't have a Socialist government and hasn't had one for many years.

[Bodysnatcher]

Apparently Arshavin was moaning that he was only taking home £40k a week because of the tax, he was better off in Russia where he payed 13% tax!

I can tell you that 100-odd million Russians weren't better off when he paid 13% tax.

[TFFP]

this is what Froch's 50% tax will be spent on if he stays in UK............................


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X-mas tree decorations

£1,235 on four mirrors and bought 'Don Juan’ bookcase

Bicycle

Baskets and pot plants

75p for scotch eggs

Slotted spoons, an ironing board and a glittery loo seat

Ben Bradshaw used his allowance to pay the mortgage interest on a flat he owned jointly with his boyfriend

:lol: Have these people no shame?

[TFFP]

The UK doesn't have a Socialist government and hasn't had one for many years.
No but we do!!

Happy days :happy

[Bodysnatcher]

No but we do!!

Happy days :happy

:lol:

I can't see them continuing that trend of continually lowering taxes to attract foreign investment and business.

Didn't exactly pan out well for the country...

[Beeston Brawler]

Don't forget the porn movies ;)

[robpalmer135]

First of all, some of you need to dig deeper into the actual facts rather than just spouting of a load of crap you have read in the Sun.

If you think all polaticians are wankers and that you can do a better job, why not go and run for your constituency yourself???

The amount of tax we pay in this country is a fair amount. Sure some of it is squanderd but thats a very small amount on the grand scheme of thing.

Sure it be fantastic to pay 13% tax but would you really wanna live in Russia?????

The only large compants in a better state than us our the Germans, French and Scandanavins. and its not because they pay more or less tax, its because the mind set of people in those countrys is better, you do not get scroungers, people have a sence of national pride and want to help eachother. They also admire success and do not put people down for making something of there lives.

Basically if you dont like it in England move to Zambia where you pay little tax and see how good your life is.

[FLINT ISLAND]

First of all, some of you need to dig deeper into the actual facts rather than just spouting of a load of crap you have read in the Sun.

If you think all polaticians are wankers and that you can do a better job, why not go and run for your constituency yourself???

The amount of tax we pay in this country is a fair amount. Sure some of it is squanderd but thats a very small amount on the grand scheme of thing.

Sure it be fantastic to pay 13% tax but would you really wanna live in Russia?????

The only large compants in a better state than us our the Germans, French and Scandanavins. and its not because they pay more or less tax, its because the mind set of people in those countrys is better, you do not get scroungers, people have a sence of national pride and want to help eachother. They also admire success and do not put people down for making something of there lives.

Basically if you dont like it in England move to Zambia where you pay little tax and see how good your life is.


I could to a better job

All Paedo's and Murderers - hang in the gallows - knife and gun crime immeditaly drops.

10% tax for everyone

No bogus wars in Iraq

Terrorists - convicted of plotting mass murder - stoned to death.

Convicted thiefs - placed in stocks - and have eggs and tomatoes thrown at them by the people they stole off.

[TFFP]

I could to a better job

All Paedo's and Murderers - hang in the gallows - knife and gun crime immeditaly drops.

10% tax for everyone

No bogus wars in Iraq

Terrorists - convicted of plotting mass murder - stoned to death.

Convicted thiefs - placed in stocks - and have eggs and tomatoes thrown at them by the people they stole off.
:rofl

Love it Flint! I'm voting FLINT PARTY!

[Beeston Brawler]

Flint is my hero!

This country isn't great, but it isn't all bad either.

However I cannot abide Scotland Yard's decision not to pursue investigations into the expenses scandal.

As David Cameron said, this issue is a matter for the serious fraud office.

[Carnage]

I could to a better job

All Paedo's and Murderers - hang in the gallows - knife and gun crime immeditaly drops.

10% tax for everyone

No bogus wars in Iraq

Terrorists - convicted of plotting mass murder - stoned to death.

Convicted thiefs - placed in stocks - and have eggs and tomatoes thrown at them by the people they stole off.
I'm in!!!

[pathmanc1986]

death sentence has been proved to be neither a satisfactory punishment nor a proper deterent



although it couldnt be done and i hate them to the core, the 'boys' on the shankil rd in belfast were alerted to two 17yr old scum who were robbing old people and threatening anyone. next day they wer seen walking along the road with two black eyes in sandwich boards which read "i am a thief and scum"......old man whacked one with a walking stick and they tried to phone the cops on him!

[jimcox88]

i hope he doesnt leave but i can quite understand it, maybees they might put him on telly

[Max Molyneux]

Currently anything up to £5,500.00 cannot be taxed.

Anything from £5,500.00 to £36,000 its taxed and 20%

Anything from £36,000 to £150,000 its taxed at 40%

Anything from £150,000+ will be taxed at 50% from July onwards I beleive.


The major problem for Froch is that he will also get taxed in the states if he fights there.

If Froch get £1million from his next US fight, UK tax will leave him with about £600k. Add US tax to that and he is walking away with about £400,000. In foreign coutrys they would not tax Froch so heavialy for cash he makes outside the country.

Its still allot of money but when you consider he could save 30% of his purse from tax each fight, you cannot blame the guy.

£400,000 is still a good amount to live on for while and if he fights another 2 times a year he could make 800,000 anyway. Interest rates are low at the moment but still decent when your moneys that high anyway.

[Max Molyneux]

I could to a better job

All Paedo's and Murderers - hang in the gallows - knife and gun crime immeditaly drops.

10% tax for everyone

No bogus wars in Iraq

Terrorists - convicted of plotting mass murder - stoned to death.

Convicted thiefs - placed in stocks - and have eggs and tomatoes thrown at them by the people they stole off.

Dawg, would you stop with the backstreet boys shit dude? %10 tax for everyone!:rofl

[MickeyBlueEyess]

First of all, some of you need to dig deeper into the actual facts rather than just spouting of a load of crap you have read in the Sun.

If you think all polaticians are wankers and that you can do a better job, why not go and run for your constituency yourself???

The amount of tax we pay in this country is a fair amount. Sure some of it is squanderd but thats a very small amount on the grand scheme of thing.

Sure it be fantastic to pay 13% tax but would you really wanna live in Russia?????

The only large compants in a better state than us our the Germans, French and Scandanavins. and its not because they pay more or less tax, its because the mind set of people in those countrys is better, you do not get scroungers, people have a sence of national pride and want to help eachother. They also admire success and do not put people down for making something of there lives.

Basically if you dont like it in England move to Zambia where you pay little tax and see how good your life is.

MP? :think:lol:

[DGLASS JAW]

if he leaves the UK to avoid paying to much taxs...he would only be allowed back for 3 months at a time.

[Max Molyneux]

Would you guys ever move to Spain? Would you put up with the sight of fat Brits not covering up on the beach? (Like i had to suffer seeing when i went to Talacre in Wales)

[trotter]

Top rate was 95% in the sixties

Bottom rate was 25% (now 20%) about 15 years back

We are a relatively low tax country

It's the same cunts who moan about tax who moan everything is shit

[MickeyBlueEyess]

Top rate was 95% in the sixties

Bottom rate was 25% (now 20%) about 15 years back

We are a relatively low tax country

It's the same cunts who moan about tax who moan everything is shit

STFU knobcheese

[robpalmer135]

I could to a better job

All Paedo's and Murderers - hang in the gallows - knife and gun crime immeditaly drops.

10% tax for everyone

No bogus wars in Iraq

Terrorists - convicted of plotting mass murder - stoned to death.

Convicted thiefs - placed in stocks - and have eggs and tomatoes thrown at them by the people they stole off.

What happens if someone is wrongly convicted???

[El Cepillo]

If some dude is earning millions, they can afford to pay 50% tax. Alright, it's not a particuarly nice thing to do, but if you're making enough to live comfortabley for the rest of your years and provide for your family, then you shouldn't need to worry about being greedy.

Although, I do see his point, he is a boxer after all so he earned it, not as is if he is some lucky strockbrocker.

[FrochPascal]

for those who are saying its law get on with it, blah blah.......ITS MAN-MADE LAW....AND THOSE MEN ARE MOSTLY CROOKS!!. Thieves and corrupt. I wouldnt trust any of these people with a virus.

5O percent strikes me as pretty ridiculous especially considering your money is probably in the hands of damn crooked people.

[ant-man]

What happens if someone is wrongly convicted???

We have a liberal on board. :D

Bad PR move Carl! :-(

[icemax]

..he would only be allowed back for 3 months at a time.

I thought it was 60 days total throughout the year

[icemax]

It's the same cunts who moan about tax who moan everything is shit

Spot on :deal If people don't like it either vote for someone else, stand yourself and see how far you get or fuck off and live in the freezer box with TFFP, eating rotten shark all day....taxes here are in general no higher than any other western liberal democracy

[PaddyD1983]

What a terrible state for Froch to be in!

Having to pay 50% to a government which invests heavily in sport and over the last few years has ploughed money into amateur boxing. I mean if the taxes went towards health care or education I'd already be angry but having to repay your dues to the grass roots level of the sport that made you a success. Sham. Absolute sham.

[Beeston Brawler]

There will be ways and means of getting around it I am sure.

Froch will most likely have a holding company that will charge Hennessy Sports (or DiBella in this instance) for services rendered.

The company is then free to distribute the money as it sees fit.

[trotter]

There will be ways and means of getting around it I am sure.

Froch will most likely have a holding company that will charge Hennessy Sports (or DiBella in this instance) for services rendered.

The company is then free to distribute the money as it sees fit.

Absolutely

The 50% tax was largely symbolic - people earning lots and lots of money will have advisers who get around these things and minimise their tax bills

[Beeston Brawler]

If you had your own company and was making half a million a year in profit, you wouldn't be so stupid as to pay it all to yourself.

My gaffer has his wife and three daughters on the payroll on the maximum amount below the amount above which 40% would be payable.

A bit of a co-incidence, don't you think!

[Kid Lucky]

If he does do this then he can fuck right off as far as I'm concerned from wearing a Union Jack on his shorts. 50pc on the earnings above that massive number is perfectly reasonable looking at how much everyone in the UK is going to have to pay back for bailing the banks out.

The tax rates were miles higher than that years ago.

Most of us don't have a choice in bailing out so for the richest to do so is pretty disgusting if you ask me.

I love it when people get a place in Spain. They're usually people who hate foreigners coming into the UK but go somewhere where they never learn the language, sit around like lobsters eating fish and chips and guzzling lager and talking like a cross between John Gaunt and Danny Dyer. Not big on irony either.

Ain't Froch got Polish-Jewish ancestry? What a great way of saying thanks for UK letting his family move here, integrate and give him the chance to make millions. (It ain't folks overseas that pay your bills Carl)

Rant over!

[icemax]

Well said Kid

[Beeston Brawler]

Like nobody else on this board has gotten out of paying taxes by one means or another......

[icemax]

Like nobody else on this board has gotten out of paying taxes by one means or another......

When I worked in Oman I paid all the UK taxes that I owed :bart :deal

[GazOC]

No one likes paying taxes but some of us have limited sympathy when people complain that they earn enough to hit the supertax bracket.

[Beeston Brawler]

Have you ever purchased something from a friend (say building materials - easy example) who owns a company and can therefore reclaim the VAT that has been paid?

Instead of paying say £115 for something including VAT, you could get a mate to buy it for you for £100.....

Granted it's not avoiding income tax, which is the point of this thread, but still avoidance of tax of some sort.

[icemax]

Have you ever purchased something from a friend (say building materials - easy example) who owns a company and can therefore reclaim the VAT that has been paid?

Instead of paying say £115 for something including VAT, you could get a mate to buy it for you for £100.....

Granted it's not avoiding income tax, which is the point of this thread, but still avoidance of tax of some sort.

Never :bart

[GazOC]

I've no problem with Froch fucking off and not paying tax, thats his choice but I shouldn't have to listen to him bleat about how unfair it all is.

[Guy]

I've no problem with Froch fucking off and not paying tax, thats his choice but I shouldn't have to listen to him bleat about how unfair it all is.


+Me

[Beeston Brawler]

never :bart

gtfo!

[icemax]

gtfo!

I was being secretly ironic :thumbsup

If Froch wants to get abroad I can send him to work with some of my lads...very good money, tax free, plenty of sunshine...see how big his balls are then.

Seriously, with the way things are with people being laid off left right and centre he should be doing the socially responsible thing by coughing up his dues, and shutting the fuck up

[Beeston Brawler]

I agree with that!

Everyone has a right to moan about tax - I do.

But moaning about being a 50% tax payer is a bit rich. I wish I earned enough to call myself one, then I would look at ways to get out of paying it.

[robpalmer135]

everything should just be VAT. That way if you spend more money you pay more tax.

[El Cepillo]

Anyone else find it difficult to feel sorry for millionaires with money troubles? :lol:

[MattMattMatt]

everything should just be VAT. That way if you spend more money you pay more tax.
I don't think that would work, it would absolutely decimate any international trade and probably leave us in a far worse situation. One possible way around it would be to cut VAT for exports but I'm sure that would lead to a lot of other problems.


On a different note, this information is from a previous budget report (not much will have changed). Of the average 8680 pound spend by central government on your behalf this year...

1120 pounds will go to the NHS
763 pounds will go to local government (to help towards services such as police and education)
520 pounds will go to regional expenditure on Scotland and Wales
440 pounds will go to education
343 pounds will go to defence
135 pounds will be spent on Northern Ireland
75 pounds will go on international development
and 4200 pounds can't be accurately assigned as it goes on demand lead costs such as social security payments (state pensions - roughly 1000 pounds spend for each of us according to the pensions commission - but also unemployment benefit, disability benefit, etc)

That should give you some idea of the proportions of expenditure. I'm sure there is a lot of slack that can be taken up but I don't think that much lower tax rates are sustainable in this country without a major change in the socio-economic culture.

[UndisputedUK]

That would be 425,000 of a £1mill purse you pedantic piece of shit.

Very pedantic comment it was too!

The tax system is rubbish. No incentive to try that hard.

But!!!!!

Carl could put a lot of his purse into a pension pot and get the tax relief on it. As the stock market is low now, and with the 40% tax on top of what he contributes, he could set himself up for later in life. As an athlete he could also probably retire early. (not sure if that rule has changed)

:good

[UndisputedUK]

I don't think that would work, it would absolutely decimate any international trade and probably leave us in a far worse situation. One possible way around it would be to cut VAT for exports but I'm sure that would lead to a lot of other problems.


On a different note, this information is from a previous budget report (not much will have changed). Of the average 8680 pound spend by central government on your behalf this year...

1120 pounds will go to the NHS
763 pounds will go to local government (to help towards services such as police and education)
520 pounds will go to regional expenditure on Scotland and Wales
440 pounds will go to education
343 pounds will go to defence
135 pounds will be spent on Northern Ireland
75 pounds will go on international development
and 4200 pounds can't be accurately assigned as it goes on demand lead costs such as social security payments (state pensions - roughly 1000 pounds spend for each of us according to the pensions commission - but also unemployment benefit, disability benefit, etc)

That should give you some idea of the proportions of expenditure. I'm sure there is a lot of slack that can be taken up but I don't think that much lower tax rates are sustainable in this country without a major change in the socio-economic culture.

The benefits that people get for not working whilst eligible are a joke. If you don't work and claim benefits, you should give up luxury items like cars, holidays, Sky TV etc, nights out, and live off food and clothing vouchers rather than other peoples hard earned deductions (N.I and tax)
It seems that a large percentage of people on benefits are just as well off, if not better off than people who slog for 38.5 hours or more a week.

[Betty Swollocks]

the long and short of it is that the UK is a fucking rip-off. and that includes the taxation.
all the stories that have come out recently and people are still naive and tolerant enough to accept getting bent over.
then you see that parasite Prince William, from a family of parasites, in the thick of it at the CL final last night, on another freebie at the expense of the taxpayer.

I live in a quality place and am capped at 16% tax. That covers the cost of some public services and benefits....there's no need for more than that in what is a functional and relatively honestly governed place....unlike the UK. The numbers involved there point to rape and pillage.

[Bodysnatcher]

The benefits that people get for not working whilst eligible are a joke. If you don't work and claim benefits, you should give up luxury items like cars, holidays, Sky TV etc, nights out, and live off food and clothing vouchers rather than other peoples hard earned deductions (N.I and tax)
It seems that a large percentage of people on benefits are just as well off, if not better off than people who slog for 38.5 hours or more a week.

I've got a family member who slogged for ten years and was forced to leave his job and claim incapacity or income support benefit because of illness. He could no longer pay his rent and now has to live with his parents in his mid-30s, claiming something like £90 a week, most of which is chewed up by his board, food etc.

He's lost all the good things in life he had because his health and job are gone.

And he considers himself lucky to have parents still willing to house him, 'cos his chances of getting a council house as a single non-parent are zero. This a guy who worked hard and paid his taxes for years.

When I was younger I had a lot of these Daily Mail-fuelled misconceptions about the benefit claimant life being easy street, but my own two-eyes taught me that for most people it's a fucking humiliating and pitiful existence, and I hope bad luck or unemployment or sudden ill health never forces me into it.

[UndisputedUK]

I've got a family member who slogged for ten years and was forced to leave his job and claim incapacity or income support benefit because of illness. He could no longer pay his rent and now has to live with his parents in his mid-30s, claiming something like £90 a week, most of which is chewed up by his board, food etc.

He's lost all the good things in life he had because his health and job are gone.

And he considers himself lucky to have parents still willing to house him, 'cos his chances of getting a council house as a single non-parent are zero. This a guy who worked hard and paid his taxes for years.

When I was younger I had a lot of these Daily Mail-fuelled misconceptions about the benefit claimant life being easy street, but my own two-eyes taught me that for most people it's a fucking humiliating and pitiful existence, and I hope bad luck or unemployment or sudden ill health never forces me into it.

I agree, people have been laid off work where I am, they have to apply for job seekers allowance, when they eventually get it they are taxed on it.
For every bad luck case, and they are mostly single males like you point out who have worked before, there are families with children, free mobility cars, no council tax, holidays a year who are career non-workers. There are lots of people who get around £6-£7 an hour working shifts, who get basic holidays, no pensions or perks etc and no benefits. The people who get £90 a week, with no rent costs, no council tax, no transport costs and no hassle for 40 hours a week or more are not that worse off compared to some who work. And I can assure you, not everyone finds it humiliating to pick up benefits, especially when they live in the same kind of house, drive better cars and can go out whenever they want, whilst others have to work for the same standard of living.