P4P reigns since the late 80s

[Asterion]

The concept of P4P exists since the 1950s, but the Ring created the P4P ratings later.

These have been the P4P Kings...

*(Edited...thanks Senya)

Roberto Duran (1980)
Thomas Hearns (1981)
Ray Leonard (1982)
Marvin Hagler (1983-1987)
Mike Tyson (1988-1990)
Julio Cesar Chavez (1990-1993)
Pernell Whitaker (1993-1995)
Roy Jones (1996-1997)
Oscar de la Hoya (1997-1998 )
Roy Jones (1998-2000)
Shane Mosley (2000-2002)
Bernard Hopkins (2002-2003)
Roy Jones (2003-2004)
Bernard Hopkins (2004-2005)
Floyd Mayweather (2005-2007)


Hagler's and Chavez' reign were the longest ones.


Other facts:

Pernell Whitaker was rated in the Top10 P4P during 10 years.

Julio Cesar Chavez was rated in the Top10 P4P during 8 years.

Roy Jones was rated in the Top10 P4P during 10 years.

Erik Morales was rated in the Top10 P4P during 7 years.

Floyd Mayweather has been rated in the Top P4P for the last 9 years.

Oscar de la Hoya was rated in the Top10 P4P for 9 years.




Who would have been P4P Kings before 1980????

40s: Robinson, Pep
50s: Robinson, Moore, Basilio
60s: Griffith, Jofre, Ali, Foster
70s: Monzon, Duran, Ali, Arguello

[TBooze]

Pound for pound ratings have going way before 1989. KO had lists thoughout the 80's and Boxing News was using them in the 70s.

Pound for pound was used in debates when there was a dominant Heavyweight Champion and everyone was bored.

Of course since the internet and boxing forums popped up, the rather pointless if fun ratings that are pound for pound have had a new lease of life and are more popular than ever.

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[Illmatic]

Trinidad was p4p #1 from 2000-2001...mosley was briefly #1 in 2001 after Titos Hopkins loss until the Forrest loss

[China_hand_Joe]

Americans declaring you P4P number one is like some kind of curse.

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Americans declaring you P4P number one is like some kind of curse.

No, you see most of them fell off the #1 spot when they faced another champion or dangerous contender.

Very few of them waited about 15 years into their careers before facing their first opponent who held a world title at the time, unlike some certain Glencoffe Johnson avoiders who shall remain nameless.

[China_hand_Joe]

Americans are morons, always giving credit too late on in career.

They made Roy Jones P4P number one again, just in time for his decline.

Putting Oscar above him is a crime however.

And Hopkins in 2004? What a joke. Mayweather has been above him since way before then.

[Decebal]

Americans are morons, always giving credit too late on in career.

They made Roy Jones P4P number one again, just in time for his decline.

Putting Oscar above him is a crime however.

And Hopkins in 2004? What a joke. Mayweather has been above him since way before then.

Let us assume you are right about all this stuff. Isn't it silly to try to convince the Americans of your views, when they simply don't buy it? They go by reputation resume and NAMES - you go by how good a boxer is at that very moment - it's an altogether different ball-game!

[China_hand_Joe]

Let us assume you are right about all this stuff. Isn't it silly to try to convince the Americans of your views, when they simply don't buy it? They go by reputation resume and NAMES - you go by how good a boxer is at that very moment - it's an altogether different ball-game!

I want RING to issue retractions after it is proven they messed things up.

[Decebal]

I want RING to issue retractions after it is proven they messed things up.

Ask Joe to buy the Ring then!

[Illmatic]

the only curse is that these fighters have nowhere to go but down

[digiram]

The current p4p champion is Manny Pacquiao. He has beaten fighters in the top ten p4p. Who has Floyd fought in the top ten? NO ONE.

I love Pac, but c'mon man....stop the nonsense.

[DanePugilist]

Nice post, Asterion. Good work, and your suggestions for pre-89 seems right - at least on top of my head.

[Senya13]

Ring Magazine P4P Top 10 from '80-'99:

80

1. Roberto Duran-96
2. Ray Leonard- 93
3. Wilfredo Gomez- 88
4. Danny Lopez- 65
5. Pipino Cuevas- 54
6. Alexis Arguello- 40
7. Larry Holmes- 32
8. Wilfred Benitez- 26
9. Vito Antuofermo- 25 (tie)
9. Matthew Saad Muhammed- 25 (tie)

81

1. Thomas Hearns- 116
2. Ray Leonard- 108
3. Marvin Hagler- 76
4. Larry Holmes- 75
5. Alexis Arguello- 62
6. Wilfredo Gomez- 58
7. Eddie Mustafa Muhammed- 28
8. Matthew Saad Muhammed- 24
9. Wilfred Benitez- 26
10. Roberto Duran- 13 (tie)
10. Aaron Pryor- 13 (tie)

82

1. Ray Leonard- 142
2. Alexis Arguello- 97
3. Marvin Hagler- 76
4. Salvador Sanchez- 72
5. Wilfred Benitez- 68
6. Larry Holmes- 61
7. Jeff Chandler- 25
8. Eusebio Pedroza- 18
9. Aaron Pryor- 17
10. Thomas Hearns- 14 (tie)
10. Dwight Muhammed Qawi 14 (tie)

83

1. Marvin Hagler- 147
2. Aaron Pryor- 93
3. Larry Holmes- 91
4. Michael Spinks- 66
5. Jeff Chandler- 57
6. Thomas Hearns- 45
7. Alexis Arguello- 29
8. Wilfredo Gomez- 28
9. Hector Camacho- 24
10. Eusebio Pedroza- 12

84

1. Marvin Hagler- 112
2. Aaron Pryor- 77
3. Larry Holmes- 72
4. Eusebio Pedroza- 66
5. Hector Camacho- 50
6. Jeff Chandler- 47 (tie)
6. Ray Leonard- 47 (tie)
8. Michael Spinks- 45
9. Thomas Hearns- 34
10. Donald Curry- 26

85

1. Marvin Hagler- 150
2. Hector Camacho- 86
3. Michael Spinks- 85
4. Donald Curry- 78
5. Thomas Hearns- 42
6. Barry McGuigan- 32
7. Milton McCrory- 25
8. Julio Cesar Chavez- 22 (tie)
8. Pinklon Thomas- 22 (tie)
10. Larry Holmes- 21

86

1. Marvin Hagler- 138
2. Mike Tyson- 92
3. Donald Curry- 59
4. Thomas Hearns- 52
5. Edwin Rosario- 47
6. Azumah Nelson- 45 (tie)
6. Michael Spinks- 45 (tie)
8. Evander Holyfield- 32
9. Julio Cesar Chavez- 26
10. Hector Camacho- 22


88

1. Mike Tyson 144 points
2. Julio Cesar Chavez- 118
3. Evander Holyfield- 66
4. Ray Leonard- 55
5. Jeff Fenech- 44
6. Michael Nunn- 33
7. Azumah Nelson- 32
8. Jung Koo Chang- 23
9. Buddy McGirt- 21
10. Sumbu Kalambay- 18

89

1. Mike Tyson- 147
2. Julio Cesar Chavez- 91
3. Meldrick Taylor- 61
4. Michael Nunn- 60
5. Evander Holyfield- 56
6. Pernell Whitaker- 46
7. Ray Leonard- 28
8. Jeff Fenech- 27
9. Azumah Nelson- 18
10. Marlon Starling- 16

90

1. Julio Cesar Chavez- 123
2. Pernell Whitaker- 104
3. Mike Tyson- 71
4. Meldrick Taylor- 57
5. Buster Douglas- 51
6. Simon Brown- 27
7. Antonio Esparragoza- 25
8. Michael Nunn- 23
9. Evander Holyfield- 21
10. Humberto Gonzalez- 14

'91
1. Julio Cesar Chavez - 138
2. Pernell Whitaker - 100
3. Evander Holyfield - 78
4. Mike Tyson - 55
5. Meldrick Taylor - 48
6. Mike McCallum - 38
7. Thomas Hearns - 34
8. Khaosai Galaxy - 25
9. Terry Norris - 22
10. Simon Brown - 21

'92
1. Julio Cesar Chavez - 136
2. Terry Norris - 91
3. Pernell Whitaker - 85
4. Buddy McGirt - 60
5. Riddick Bowe - 45
6. Orlando Canizales - 36
7. Azumah Nelson - 34
8. Lennox Lewis - 24
9. Julian Jackson - 18
10. Roy Jones - 15
10. Mike McCallum - 15

'93
1. Pernell Whitaker - 147
2. Julio Cesar Chavez - 86
3. Terry Norris - 84
4. James Toney - 76
5. Michael Carbajal - 39
6. Evander Holyfield - 36
7. Buddy McGirt - 28
8. Roy Jones - 23
9. Orlando Canizales - 22
10. Ricardo Lopez - 21

'94
1. Pernell Whitaker - 130
2. Roy Jones - 129
3. Frankie Randall - 53
4. Ricardo Lopez - 45
5. Orlando Canizales - 39
6. Chiquita Gonzalez - 38
7. James Toney - 36
8. Gerald McClellan - 33
9. Felix Trinidad - 29
10. Kevin Kelley - 28

'95
1. Roy Jones - 138
2. Pernell Whitaker - 126
3. Oscar DelaHoya - 74
4. Felix Trinidad - 59
5. Marco Antonio Barrera - 48
6. Riddick Bowe - 44
7. Ricardo Lopez - 37
8. Julio Cesar Chavez - 18
9. Ike Quartey - 16
10. Naseem Hamed - 12

'96
1. Roy Jones - 123
2. Oscar DelaHoya - 107
3. Pernell Whitaker - 92
4. Evander Holyfield - 64
5. Felix Trinidad - 59
6. Ricardo Lopez - 56
7. Terry Norris - 28
8. Ike Quartey - 21
9. Azumah Nelson - 12
10. Yuri Arbachakov - 11

'97
1. Oscar DelaHoya - 123
2. Roy Jones - 117
3. Ricardo Lopez - 83
4. Evander Holyfield - 80
5. Felix Trinidad - 65
6. Pernell Whitaker - 37
7. Naseem Hamed - 28
8. Mark Johnson - 22
8. Junior Jones - 22
10. Johnny Tapia - 18

'98
1. Roy Jones - 141
2. Oscar DelaHoya - 123
3. Felix Trinidad - 67
4. Shane Mosley - 65
5. Evander Holyfield - 55
6. Mark Johnson - 45
7. Naseem Hamed - 33
8. Ricardo Lopez - 23
9. Floyd Mayweather - 19
10. Pernell Whitaker - 14

'99
1. Roy Jones - 150
2. Oscar DelaHoya - 85
3. Floyd Mayweather - 78
4. Shane Mosley - 68
4. Felix Trinidad - 68
6. Mark Johnson - 47
6. Ricardo Lopez - 47
8. Erik Morales - 21
9. Bernard Hopkins - 16
10. Fernando Vargas - 15

[Toopretty]

The current p4p champion is Manny Pacquiao. He has beaten fighters in the top ten p4p. Who has Floyd fought in the top ten? NO ONE.

You are an idiot...Morales was shot and old as all evidence suggested Barrera is not shot but on his way out.. He drew with Marquez..got beat by morales the first fight. Got knocked out some fight before that..Floyd won all of his fights moving up 5 weights...and actually showed supreme skill in doing so...Pac is #1 exciting fighter #2 p4p...and will be that way unless floyd loses to Hatton or eaks out an ugly win..and he knocks barrera ass out or beats him to a pulp again..:hey:yep:yep:yep

Crazy ass pac fans.

[Illmatic]

'97
1. Oscar DelaHoya - 123
2. Roy Jones - 117
3. Ricardo Lopez - 83
4. Evander Holyfield - 80
5. Felix Trinidad - 65
6. Pernell Whitaker - 37
7. Naseem Hamed - 28
8. Mark Johnson - 22
8. Junior Jones - 22
10. Johnny Tapia - 18

that is one talented group. and who the hell was yuri abachacov';/.?

[TBooze]

Ring Magazine P4P Top 10 from '80-'99:


Just the one small correction, it was KO magazines Pound for Pound, for many if not all of them years.

[TBooze]

that is one talented group. and who the hell was yuri abachacov';/.?

A brilliant flyweight from the 90s, the first fighter from the old Soviet Union to make a decent fist out of a pro career.

[Illmatic]

A brilliant flyweight from the 90s, the first fighter from the old Soviet Union to make a decent fist out of a pro career.

I just looked him up, looks like he had a nice little run...do you know why he retired after the loss?

Im surprised that Vargas was in the top 10, mustve been after the Quartey win.