Will a referee ever warm Scam Cheater for hitting behind the head?

[BoxingGuru]

**WARM should be WARN. Sorry for the typo.

Just wondering, I watched Peter/Toney 1 and 2 again and this guy seriously sees someone turn their head abnd purposefully AIMS at the back of their head and hits them. He would WAIT for Fat Toney to do a roll or duck and try to hit him behind the head. Will he ever be warned or disqualified for this?

[Toopretty]

Hell yeah..He is sloppy as shit..and I did seem him go for the back of the head in both fights..First fight mainly...You cant just punch..lol...you have to have a clear target..There are rules in boxing..you cant just go in there and bomb away without being responsible...Ref should of threatened a DQ and then you will see that dangerous shit stop.

[Jennifer Love Hewitt]

Toney dips his head down, and turns his head away to dodge. With Sam Peter having such slow reflexes, he frequently hit the back of the head.
I don't think it's an intentional foul, it's just a lack of skill.

[Tom_Tocca]

Toney dips his head down, and turns his head away to dodge. With Sam Peter having such slow reflexes, he frequently hit the back of the head.
I don't think it's an intentional foul, it's just a lack of skill.

He did the same vs. Wlad who hasn't such defensive skills as Toney...

[Thom]

He did the same vs. Wlad who hasn't such defensive skills as Toney...
Wlad was turning his back to him in the first half of the fight because he was afraid of Peter's slopy punches before he gassed.

[Athorn4941]

Can I fight with my opponent facing my back so he does not have a clear shot at me. Why even bother facing someone he will just hit me in the back a few times and it would be over and me declared winner by DQ.

[Jennifer Love Hewitt]

You'd have to be some degree of retarded moron to have watched toney/peter 1/2 and Wlad/peter and not realizethat Sam throws intentional rabbit punches.

I don't think Peter goes in there with the game plan of hitting people in the back of their head.
I think Peter just throws punches, and he's not a very good boxer.

So, is the rabbit punching intentional...no.
Is is still a foul...yes.

[box03]

I don't think Peter goes in there with the game plan of hitting people in the back of their head.
I think Peter just throws punches, and he's not a very good boxer.

So, is the rabbit punching intentional...no.
Is is still a foul...yes. Does Peter throw rabbit punches yeah I would say so, but when you turn your head or put you head down your asking to get blasted in back of the head,thats why refs dont say anything to him about it. Plus every fighter uses a illegal tactic when fighting, leaning on the neck and back wlad/lewis,tyson using his elbow with hooks,and holyfield he always comes inside head first, the list goes on. The first thing the ref tells you in the ring is to protect yourself at all times, its a fight not a dancing lesson.

[kg0208]

Peter throws rabbit punches. But it should be just as illegal to turn your back in the fight intentionally to avoid getting hit. To many ways of moving without doing that. At least half the rabbit punches he hit Wlad Klitscho with were because he turned his back to avoid a punch.

[Thom]

You'd have to be some degree of retarded moron to have watched toney/peter 1/2 and Wlad/peter and not realizethat Sam throws intentional rabbit punches.
You'd have to be in desperate need of cataract surgery (and apparently several Klitschko nuthuggers here are) if you didn't notice the fact that Wlad was blatantly turning his back to Peter in the early rounds of their fight.

And I personally don't believe that Peter intentionally throws the majority of the rabbit punches that he dishes out. I think that he lands a good number of them due to his horrid technique.

[box03]

You'd have to be in desperate need of cataract surgery (and apparently several Klitschko nuthuggers here are) if you didn't notice the fact that Wlad was blatantly turning his back to Peter in the early rounds of their fight.

And I personally don't believe that Peter intentionally throws the majority of the rabbit punches that he dishes out. I think that he lands a good number of them due to his horrid technique. I dont understand why its ok for wlad to lean on his neck and back, and turn his back when getting hit. Its a fight get over it, every fighter fouls in the ring in some way.

[Suge Green]

Nope. He's just a dirty fighter. He likes to take shots when being broken up from clinches, too. Sounds like his technique is great : he fooled you at least.

Holding is illegal, that's why it's broken up...it's boxing not wrestling. Any fighter who hits while being clinched is okay with me. Holding is a poorer excuse for defense, than you claim Peter's "behind the head punches" are for offense.

How selective of you to have a problem with the response to an illegal act...but have no problem with the illegal act that required a "dirty" response. You've got no problem with a fighter turning their back or holding, but don't hit a fighter while he's breaking the rules...:oops:

[Scar]

**WARM should be WARN. Sorry for the typo.

Just wondering, I watched Peter/Toney 1 and 2 again and this guy seriously sees someone turn their head abnd purposefully AIMS at the back of their head and hits them. He would WAIT for Fat Toney to do a roll or duck and try to hit him behind the head. Will he ever be warned or disqualified for this?

If you open your eyes and concentrate you'll notice that everytime Peter steps forward to throw his own bombs Toney would lean with his head down and he WELCOMES the punches behind the head. The first round of the rematch, Peter lands and rocks Toney, instantly Toney ducks with his head down as Peter rushes to finish him and gets nailed there and instantly the referee breaks and Toney complains about it. It looks to me that Toney is the one using such tactic whenever he's in trouble.

[box03]

Holding is illegal, that's why it's broken up...it's boxing not wrestling. Any fighter who hits while being clinched is okay with me. Holding is a poorer excuse for defense, than you claim Peter's "behind the head punches" are for offense.

How selective of you to have a problem with the response to an illegal act...but have no problem with the illegal act that required a "dirty" response. You've got no problem with a fighter turning their back or holding, but don't hit a fighter while he's breaking the rules...:oops: Well put yet again:thumbsup

[Toopretty]

If you open your eyes and concentrate you'll notice that everytime Peter steps forward to throw his own bombs Toney would lean with his head down and he WELCOMES the punches behind the head. The first round of the rematch, Peter lands and rocks Toney, instantly Toney ducks with his head down as Peter rushes to finish him and gets nailed there and instantly the referee breaks and Toney complains about it. It looks to me that Toney is the one using such tactic whenever he's in trouble. Toney been bobbing his head for years...sounds kind of dumb you are allowed to move your head and bob and weave..or did you forget that :nut:nut:patsch but if somebody bobs you have to wait for them to come back up to throw..like any other fighter has to..if somebody is bobbing and weaving guys can hit them in the back of the head if they want to do it...they do not...b/c they are trained to throw clean punches when there is an opening..Its called timing..Boxing is not the fucking UFC.. you can move your head as much as you want but in no damned way did Toney lung with the back of his head towards peters fist....Funny how other fighters did not have that problem with toney...:-(:-(:huh

[Decker]

Holding is illegal, that's why it's broken up...it's boxing not wrestling. Any fighter who hits while being clinched is okay with me. Holding is a poorer excuse for defense, than you claim Peter's "behind the head punches" are for offense. SW, you must have hated Ali. K Norton once said, Ali has a new style - holding :yep :lol:

I suppose when other fighters use this for defense, all of a sudden it means they're not too good or "cowards". Uh huh. I'll bet 99+% of the internet "warriors" here would be holding on for dear life from the introductions vs Wlad or most any HW :rofl

So many bad asses on here :roll:

[nervousxtian]

I'd forgive Peter if it was just the Toney fights, and even if it was just the Toney fights and Wlad. Yet it's not, he's done it his whole career, he throws wide shots that hook around fighters heads. If it's not intentional, it's because he's unskilled, but neither is a good excuse for throwing an illegal punch.

He basically knocked out Taurus Sykes with rabbit punches that hooked to the back side of the head.

Someone needs to warn him to keep his looping shots to the front of the fighter, and if he can't deduct points or DQ.

He's going to hurt someone really bad these days punching that way, and it won't be from a clean shot.

[RUSKULL]

1. Clinches are not illegal.
2. Rabbit punches are illegal.
3. Punches on a break up of a clinch before the ref says to fight are illegal.
4. You have no idea what you are talking about.
5. Let me know if you need any more help with boxing rules.

Nice! :yep

Sugie is actually quite versed in boxing knowledge but he lets his hate & personal bias cloud his judgement.

[Piffer]

If you open your eyes and concentrate you'll notice that everytime Peter steps forward to throw his own bombs Toney would lean with his head down and he WELCOMES the punches behind the head. The first round of the rematch, Peter lands and rocks Toney, instantly Toney ducks with his head down as Peter rushes to finish him and gets nailed there and instantly the referee breaks and Toney complains about it. It looks to me that Toney is the one using such tactic whenever he's in trouble.

You fucking idiot. Toney's been rolling his left shoulder his entire career. It's his signature move as a fighter and he's one of the best at doing it.

[El Bombasto]

If you open your eyes and concentrate you'll notice that everytime Peter steps forward to throw his own bombs Toney would lean with his head down and he WELCOMES the punches behind the head. The first round of the rematch, Peter lands and rocks Toney, instantly Toney ducks with his head down as Peter rushes to finish him and gets nailed there and instantly the referee breaks and Toney complains about it. It looks to me that Toney is the one using such tactic whenever he's in trouble.

Yet somehow everyone else that has fought Toney have managed to get buy without hitting him in the back of the head.

[nervousxtian]

Yet somehow everyone else that has fought Toney have managed to get buy without hitting him in the back of the head.

Exactly.

It's never Peters fault. Give me a break.

[box03]

1. Clinches are not illegal.
2. Rabbit punches are illegal.
3. Punches on a break up of a clinch before the ref says to fight are illegal.
4. You have no idea what you are talking about.
5. Let me know if you need any more help with boxing rules. You are right about what you said, but you forgot a couple things for one wlad puts his whole body all 240 plus pounds on the back of peoples head and neck which is illegal. As I already stated in my original posts every fighter uses illegal tactics in fights especially some of the greats such as ali who would hold the back of fighters head while they punched at him, he also would post with his left hand alot which is not allowed something chris bryd would get warned alot for doing. Peter might be a dirty fighter but hes not the only one, alot of the all time greats were.

[Toopretty]

You are right about what you said, but you forgot a couple things for one wlad puts his whole body all 240 plus pounds on the back of peoples head and neck which is illegal. As I already stated in my original posts every fighter uses illegal tactics in fights especially some of the greats such as ali who would hold the back of fighters head while they punched at him, he also would post with his left hand alot which is not allowed something chris bryd would get warned alot for doing. Peter might be a dirty fighter but hes not the only one, alot of the all time greats were.

His dirt is dangerous..dirt..not to be messed with...Power shots to the back of the head....:-(:-(:-( no comparison to little rough house dirty tricks that are ok.

[box03]

His dirt is dangerous..dirt..not to be messed with...Power shots to the back of the head....:-(:-(:-( no comparison to little rough house dirty tricks that are ok. So your saying a headbutt from holyfield is not dangerous, just ask rahman that after there fight. As far as the Wlad and Peter fight goes they both did things that were illegal nothing knew in a heavywieght boxing match, Wlad turned his back and he got hit on the back of the head perfectly legal. You never turn your back to your oppenent, thats wlads fault that he got knocked down, if it was illegal the ref would of took a point away or at least warned him not counted it as a knockdown.

[Piffer]

So your saying a headbutt from holyfield is not dangerous, just ask rahman that after there fight. As far as the Wlad and Peter fight goes they both did things that were illegal nothing knew in a heavywieght boxing match, Wlad turned his back and he got hit on the back of the head perfectly legal. You never turn your back to your oppenent, thats wlads fault that he got knocked down, if it was illegal the ref would of took a point away or at least warned him not counted it as a knockdown.

The whole point of this thread is that, it was illegal. The first 2 KDs should have resulted in harsh warnings and/or point deductions from Peter rather than awarding him the knockdown. The referee was clearly not doing his job in that fight.

[box03]

The whole point of this thread is that, it was illegal. The first 2 KDs should have resulted in harsh warnings and/or point deductions from Peter rather than awarding him the knockdown. The referee was clearly not doing his job in that fight. To a certain degree I agree with what you said, I fell both fighters should have been warned for there illegal strategies in the ring. Wlad for his excessive leaning on Peter and would of explained to him that you cant turn your back and put your head down to avoid punches, I would have also warned peter for his rabbit punches. Both our guilty of dirty fighting in this fight, just peter was more effective at it.

[barneyrub]

He did the same vs. Wlad who hasn't such defensive skills as Toney...That was due to wlad lunging in trying to hold and by doing so turning his head away,

Wlad should have had points deducted and been dq`d but the ref was an idiot,

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[box03]

That was due to wlad lunging in trying to hold and by doing so turning his head away,

Wlad should have had points deducted and been dq`d but the ref was an idiot,

[Only registered and activated users can see links] I think its funny that Wlad fans are upset about him getting punched in the back of the head, your oppenents punching and you turn your back and you put your head down what do you thinks going to happen. Its like putting your hand in the stove and blaming it for burning you, come on guys he made the mistake not Peter.

[Suge Green]

1. Clinches are not illegal.
2. Rabbit punches are illegal.
3. Punches on a break up of a clinch before the ref says to fight are illegal.
4. You have no idea what you are talking about.
5. Let me know if you need any more help with boxing rules.

ok noob...why can the referee force a break if holding is perfectly legal...??? It's boxing not wrestling...holding is puss.

[don owens]

H should be dq'd if he keeps doing that shti. which he will. it is intention, i think. only he knows but take points and disqualify his ass.

[don owens]

excessive holding becomes the problem. it is not illegal and only becomes so if the ref determines the fighter is attempting to avoid fighting. go back and watch ALI fight and you will see him do it. many fighters do it. it is not illegal.

[box03]

excessive holding becomes the problem. it is not illegal and only becomes so if the ref determines the fighter is attempting to avoid fighting. go back and watch ALI fight and you will see him do it. many fighters do it. it is not illegal. leaning on someones back and neck is though which Wlad is known to do frequently.

[don owens]

true, he got that from Manny, who also got Lewis to do it

[El Bombasto]

Fighter should have a point taken for both holding and rabbit punches. And, a responsible ref. should take the point early enough for it to make a difference, waiting until the 10-12th rounds won't really affect a fighter's behaviour.

[Maxmomer]

That was due to wlad lunging in trying to hold and by doing so turning his head away,

Wlad should have had points deducted and been dq`d but the ref was an idiot,

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Jesus, that was fucking shameful. Klitschko is such a vag.