What's to like about Mundine?

[TheDuke]

Seriously, all media shit storms aside. As a boxer/personality what do Mundine fans like about him?

I fear I am very close to becoming a hater.

I mean, no offense to Danny Geale, but Mundine has just gone life and death with a 'who?' same as he did with Sam Soliman on two occasions and losing to Manny Siaca. And yet the shit that spews out of his mouth with regards to his greatness is just unbelievable.

What is his greatest victory? Soliman/Green/Echols/Geale??? It's not much of a legacy is it?

So if i may ask what makes some people want to swing from his nuts?

Start you off:

1. Nice guy in private
2. Very gifted athlete
3. No drugs or drink

[teke]

I like his Boxa logo, that is pretty cool

[shanemfr]

Gifted sort of, but is it just me or when he was throwing combos the other night his punches looked tense and not fluid like with full arm extension, it's like he is trying to be too quick with giving away precision and technique, he's accurate with quick 1 2 shots but when he tries to put a combo together he seems to just throw them at air, i noticed that against that old jap dude as well nishidishwasher.

[TheDuke]

I like his Boxa logo, that is pretty cool

LOL

It is. But seriously Teke. Do you like him purely to stir the haters up or what? You're an intelligent style of fella - what's the go?

[teke]

Im a placid person, not much gets to me.

His ranting a raving about being the best i just laugh off. I like his athleticism, used to love him as a footy player and it followed into league just the same as if Sonni Bill became a boxer.

Im serious about the logo, its the simplest best boxing logo out there. Actually Don Kings Crown is pretty cool to.

[teke]

Gifted sort of, but is it just me or when he was throwing combos the other night his punches looked tense and not fluid like with full arm extension, it's like he is trying to be too quick with giving away precision and technique, he's accurate with quick 1 2 shots but when he tries to put a combo together he seems to just throw them at air, i noticed that against that old jap dude as well nishidishwasher.Yeah Mundine isnt comfortable throwing crazy combos like Calzaghe or many others. Mayweather is the same.

[sallywinder]

Seriously, all media shit storms aside. As a boxer/personality what do Mundine fans like about him?

I fear I am very close to becoming a hater.

I mean, no offense to Danny Geale, but Mundine has just gone life and death with a 'who?' same as he did with Sam Soliman on two occasions and losing to Manny Siaca. And yet the shit that spews out of his mouth with regards to his greatness is just unbelievable.

What is his greatest victory? Soliman/Green/Echols/Geale??? It's not much of a legacy is it?

So if i may ask what makes some people want to swing from his nuts?

Start you off:

1. Nice guy in private
2. Very gifted athlete
3. No drugs or drink

thats mundines legacy. "HE TALKED THE TALK, BUT DIDNT WALK THE WALK"........

"BUT WHEN HE DID, HE GOT KTFO"!!!!




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[T.C.W]

I like his defencive ability, the way he makes fighters miss

[sallywinder]

thats mundines legacy. "HE TALKED THE TALK, BUT DIDNT WALK THE WALK"........

"BUT WHEN HE DID, HE GOT KTFO"!!!!




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tcw. you are trying to disguise posts with shit. you are doing a good job. cause you are shit.....



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[ashley]

I like his defencive ability, the way he makes fighters miss

Tend to agree

[sallywinder]

Tend to agree





[quote]tcw. you are trying to disguise posts with shit. you are doing a good job. QUOTE]



mundine is a pretender. im not saying he isnt talented, im saying that by his own measure, he doesnt make the cut.


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[T.C.W]

All I'm saying is that. The way Mundine fights this is what I like, he is a very good defencive fighter, watch the geale fight, look at all the punches that Geale missed. that all.

I don't take any notice of mundine's mouth, I'm a hardcore boxing and have been for over 15 years, All this crap mundine go on about is about MONEY and he is the first Australain sportman to play anti sports star who doesn't care about kissing ase to make money selling products and being Mr Nice guy. But it made him millions.

[sallywinder]

i dont believe itsall about money. it probably is for the hook nosed arab, but i think anthony really believes he has a calling. he believes he is meant to be the best fighter in the world at his weight. and THAT, will never happen.

fenech was far and away more domminant in his divisions and even he cant claim that. he was 1 fight away from it...a fight that never happened. and fenech moved up and fought nelson...



(esparragoza...)

[T.C.W]

i dont believe itsall about money. it probably is for the hook nosed arab, but i think anthony really believes he has a calling. he believes he is meant to be the best fighter in the world at his weight. and THAT, will never happen.

fenech was far and away more domminant in his divisions and even he cant claim that. he was 1 fight away from it...a fight that never happened. and fenech moved up and fought nelson...



(esparragoza...)it is about money, I'm telling you now

[sallywinder]

it is about money, I'm telling you now

that is the generic excuse not to do what his mouth screams.

so you are saying he is a liar and he wont go overseas now and 'fight the best'?



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[ashley]

that is the generic excuse not to do what his mouth screams.

so you are saying he is a liar and he wont go overseas now and 'fight the best'?



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Mundine is not on the same level as Fenech, KT or Vic....nobodys saying that all anybody is saying is that Mundine makes a lot of cash fighting top 5 to 15 fighters and that what he will keep doing.


I thnik he will win a few more vacant or regular WT and then fight Green at LHW when hes has a vacant title

If he fights Pav, Sturm or AA I will be very :yikes

[kel]

I do like the fact he doesn't say typical sporting cliche

He's still a dumb cunt tho

[T.C.W]

you reading to much it to it, he mite go overseas and fight strum or pavlik. he moved to 160 for a reason, so he is fighting smaller people.

[LeonMcS]

Originally posted by T.C.W
...he moved to 160 for a reason,

And the reason was named Kessler.

[T.C.W]

And the reason was named Kessler.
agree, He is not an idiot. Kessler is at the next level of fighter.
The very top like hopkins,calzaghe and maybe Dawson. Mundine is at level below with the rest, Which I call belt holders

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Mundine's unquestionably a great all-round athlete, a very handy boxer and unfortunately also an ingracious, dillusional loud-mouth.

He's been a poor man's Ali since he got all excited reading the Ali book on his media-stunt overseas trip between rugby and boxing careers.

Mundine was easily influenced by power and fell hook line and sinker for the Malcolm X stuff and put both feet in his mouth regarding September 11 - something that didn't endear him to the Yanks, and hasn't enhanced his overseas prospects.

The differences between Mundine, or 'The Man', his poor man's rip-off of Ali's 'The Greatest', and Ali himself, couldn't be wider:

Ali talked it up big time, believed in it unerringly and delivered on it in spades! Ali said he was the greatest and then convinced us with his acheivements that he was. He said he'd conquer the world and he did!

By contrast, Mundine has struggled to conquer Australia!

Mundine does some good things for the aboriginal people and that is to be commended. But he has this dillusion that he's a great a role model, and comes across as anything but. Being successful doesn't automatically make you a good role model, it only gives you the opportunity to be one. He could certainly learn a lot from Daniel Geale in this regard.

Judging by the way Mundine spoke on the DSS interview last night he is now struggling to deliver his disproportionate-to-acheivement boasts with the same conviction he once could. It's coming across in his delivery that his self-belief is starting to become influenced by a small dose of reality.

[Sox]

Mundine's unquestionably a great all-round athlete, a very handy boxer and unfortunately also an ingracious, dillusional loud-mouth.

He's been a poor man's Ali since he got all excited reading the Ali book on his media-stunt overseas trip between rugby and boxing careers.

Mundine was easily influenced by power and fell hook line and sinker for the Malcolm X stuff and put both feet in his mouth regarding September 11 - something that didn't endear him to the Yanks, and hasn't enhanced his overseas prospects.

The differences between Mundine, or 'The Man', his poor man's rip-off of Ali's 'The Greatest', and Ali himself, couldn't be wider:

Ali talked it up big time, believed in it unerringly and delivered on it in spades! Ali said he was the greatest and then convinced us with his acheivements that he was. He said he'd conquer the world and he did!

By contrast, Mundine has struggled to conquer Australia!

Mundine does some good things for the aboriginal people and that is to be commended. But he has this dillusion that he's a great a role model, and comes across as anything but. Being successful doesn't automatically make you a good role model, it only gives you the opportunity to be one. He could certainly learn a lot from Daniel Geale in this regard.

Judging by the way Mundine spoke on the DSS interview last night he is now struggling to deliver his disproportionate-to-acheivement boasts with the same conviction he once could. It's coming across in his delivery that his self-belief is starting to become influenced by a small dose of reality.
Couldn't have said it better myself. :good

[IrnBruMan]

x 2 :good

I don't buy all this 'bad guy act puts more bums on seats' bit anyway - he's been an obnoxious turd since he first started mouthing off in the press in his league days.

He has at certain times over the years, wondered why he isn't respected, and earlier in his career, looked close to tears on occasion when he realised the majority of the public didn't like him and wanted to see him fail.

The many people who continually claim the bad guy image is just an act to attract more money and that he's a top bloke away from the sport and does so much for his community fail to see the little boy that is inside Mundine, who wants to be accepted by the mainstream, but is under the influence of a man who was once quoted as saying that he sees every day as another battle in his holy crusade (Nasser).

They fail to remember the times Mundine's father threatened to walk away if he didn't stop clowning around and talking about going back to league and continuing boxing at the same time, or the fact his father has had to develope a politician's answer to anyone asking why his son is so arrogant ("He's a confident boy, my son").

They fail to acknowledge that he is also disliked within the Aboriginal community itself - anyone remember when the story came out about how much he was charging some Aboriginal rights association to advertise in the ring in one of his fights?

They fail to see that he is genuinely a bad loser, and also a bad winner.

The fact is, Australia doesn't need the bad boy image in sport to attract fans - I remember when Mundine first crosed over to boxing, I thought he was just trying to create an almost WWE-like situation, and it fell on flat ground - if it was indeed tongue-in-cheek in order to create a stir, then it backfired on him, because he always wanted recognition and respect in his league days (remember all his whining about not being selected due to racism etc.), and still wants it now, but continues to hide behind claims that its all an act for the money.

Anyone who thinks that he's a happy man because he's made millions out of being hated doesn't understand human frailty, and doesn't realise that Mundine is indeed psychologically frail. Yes, he can focus and get up for his fights, but we've seen him doubting himself and being underconfident in the ring enough times to know that he can't cut it at the top with the big boys and to also know that when he doubts himself, he goes down. If you nuthuggers don't believe that there are times when he finds himself in dark depression, you're not in touch with reality. People who surround themselves with yesmen do it to reduce the amount of time they have to spend on their own, because they know when they are alone, the inevitable self-analysis begins, and they are scared of that.

No amount of money in the world can make someone like that happy.

[teke]

x 2 :good

I don't buy all this 'bad guy act puts more bums on seats' bit anyway - he's been an obnoxious turd since he first started mouthing off in the press in his league days.

He has at certain times over the years, wondered why he isn't respected, and earlier in his career, looked close to tears on occasion when he realised the majority of the public didn't like him and wanted to see him fail.

The many people who continually claim the bad guy image is just an act to attract more money and that he's a top bloke away from the sport and does so much for his community fail to see the little boy that is inside Mundine, who wants to be accepted by the mainstream, but is under the influence of a man who was once quoted as saying that he sees every day as another battle in his holy crusade (Nasser).

They fail to remember the times Mundine's father threatened to walk away if he didn't stop clowning around and talking about going back to league and continuing boxing at the same time, or the fact his father has had to develope a politician's answer to anyone asking why his son is so arrogant ("He's a confident boy, my son").

They fail to acknowledge that he is also disliked within the Aboriginal community itself - anyone remember when the story came out about how much he was charging some Aboriginal rights association to advertise in the ring in one of his fights?

They fail to see that he is genuinely a bad loser, and also a bad winner.

The fact is, Australia doesn't need the bad boy image in sport to attract fans - I remember when Mundine first crosed over to boxing, I thought he was just trying to create an almost WWE-like situation, and it fell on flat ground - if it was indeed tongue-in-cheek in order to create a stir, then it backfired on him, because he always wanted recognition and respect in his league days (remember all his whining about not being selected due to racism etc.), and still wants it now, but continues to hide behind claims that its all an act for the money.

Anyone who thinks that he's a happy man because he's made millions out of being hated doesn't understand human frailty, and doesn't realise that Mundine is indeed psychologically frail. Yes, he can focus and get up for his fights, but we've seen him doubting himself and being underconfident in the ring enough times to know that he can't cut it at the top with the big boys and to also know that when he doubts himself, he goes down. If you nuthuggers don't believe that there are times when he finds himself in dark depression, you're not in touch with reality. People who surround themselves with yesmen do it to reduce the amount of time they have to spend on their own, because they know when they are alone, the inevitable self-analysis begins, and they are scared of that.

No amount of money in the world can make someone like that happy.I didnt read this post but i bet there is nothing in here about whatyou like about him :deal

[LeonMcS]

You're just bunch of pen pushers.

[teke]

Some great reads in this thread, didnt think we had so many psychologists among us :lol:

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Some great reads in this thread, didnt think we had so many psychologists among us :lol:

No just pen pushers.

[stiflers mum]

whats to like about mundine eh?
well he makes brash statements that come back and bite him on the arse. for example melbourne arent the true premiers then his team got spanked 70-10, stating that Sven Ottke hit like a girl and being KTFO for ten minutes. making his fans think that he had improved enough to defeat kessler then running away when given the opportunity,thinkning he is an original thinker and that he has visions of being a political figure and inspiration to his people and he cant string a sentence together.mundine is a funny guy the fact that he is not trying to be makes him funnier.:lol::lol::lol: thats what i like about him.

[IrnBruMan]

whats to like about mundine eh?
well he makes brash statements that come back and bite him on the arse. for example melbourne arent the true premiers then his team got spanked 70-10, stating that Sven Ottke hit like a girl and being KTFO for ten minutes. making his fans think that he had improved enough to defeat kessler then running away when given the opportunity,thinkning he is an original thinker and that he has visions of being a political figure and inspiration to his people and he cant string a sentence together.mundine is a funny guy the fact that he is not trying to be makes him funnier.:lol::lol::lol: thats what i like about him.

Erm...isn't that also YOUR team? :yep

[stiflers mum]

Erm...isn't that also YOUR team? :yep
err yes:oops:

[rusty nails]

i like that hes his own man and has the guts to stand up for what he believes in.

[boxoncottonon]

I doubt Mundine will ever be his own Man!!
He is totally owned like a bitch by Khoder, they may even be gay lovers and Khoder rams his ass everytime he tries to lead his own life.

I reckon around a family BBQ he would be a great bloke.
I have seen him in interviews where he looks under the pump and he sheds the Baddest Man Alive image.
At times he even looks out of his depth both in stature and pose when interviewed and he comments on normal stuff or made to look contrite.
Remember him being on Big Bro (only once or twice) and he looked and acted like the next bloke without all the BS.

As much as I hate the way he has been managed into international obscurity and carries on like a like an angry and buff Dame Edna of the ring I plead with the gods he gets a crack at Pavlick, Sturm or Abrahams so we all can say he had a go before we all get old and senile and these posts become really cranky from old cunts with dementia and no teeth.

Shit this has already begun for Leon!!

[Bognashavin]

C'mon admit it, it's fun to hate him. Everybody does it.

[ashley]

C'mon admit it, it's fun to hate him. Everybody does it.

Not everybody :yep

[Angry Fight Fan]

Anything there is to like about Mundine I can get from other fighters on the world stage against much better opposition.

Someone mentioned his defence, but I'd rather watch fat James Toney make Heavyweights miss then Mundine against the level of guys he has to fight to look as impressive. Sure his performance against Green was impressive, but Geale was nailing him and others have in the past as well, guys who just shouldn't be nailing him if he's that good defensively.

Handspeed, well there's plenty of fast guys out there who can nail guys with good defensive ability. Mundine's speed only impresses when he's fighting some South American nobody.

As for his talking, there's far better talkers out there then Mundine. Mundine is put to shame by guys like Toney or if you wanna bring MMA into it, Rampage. Those guys are natural talkers who don't just regurgitate Ali lines and try to pass them off as their own.

[teke]

Anything there is to like about Mundine I can get from other fighters on the world stage against much better opposition.

Someone mentioned his defence, but I'd rather watch fat James Toney make Heavyweights miss then Mundine against the level of guys he has to fight to look as impressive. Sure his performance against Green was impressive, but Geale was nailing him and others have in the past as well, guys who just shouldn't be nailing him if he's that good defensively.

Handspeed, well there's plenty of fast guys out there who can nail guys with good defensive ability. Mundine's speed only impresses when he's fighting some South American nobody.

As for his talking, there's far better talkers out there then Mundine. Mundine is put to shame by guys like Toney or if you wanna bring MMA into it, Rampage. Those guys are natural talkers who don't just regurgitate Ali lines and try to pass them off as their own.This is a great post :good

[THN]

Nothing, apart from great arguments on this side:good